Sniper-trained lawmakers say Trump should not go back to Butler

[excalibur]

Wise advice. Sometimes you need to avoid a place that has bad vibes. This is one of those times.

Two members of Congress who were trained snipers in previous careers said former President Donald Trump should not hold a second rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, because of the myriad security concerns with the site.

Mr. Trump was nearly assassinated on July 13 at a campaign rally at the Butler Farm Show grounds. A gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, climbed onto the roof of a nearby building and fired at the former president, grazing his ear. Mr. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, is set to go back to the site for a rally on Oct. 5.

“This was a horrible venue for a rally, and Secret Service should have done everything possible to dissuade the campaign from hosting it there,” said Rep. Elijah Crane, Arizona Republican, citing “alarming threat profiles” from multiple buildings that overlook the farm show grounds and other access areas surrounding the site.

“Though I appreciate the former president’s courage and strong desire to rally his supporters, I strongly suggest that he and his campaign avoid this site on Oct. 5 and in the future,” Mr. Crane said in testimony before a House task force investigating the July 13 assassination attempt.

Mr. Crane received military sniper training as a Navy SEAL. He and Rep. Cory Mills, a Florida Republican who worked as a countersniper for a State Department contractor, visited the rally site after the attack on Mr. Trump to conduct a security assessment and identify vulnerabilities that led to the assassination attempt.

The two sniper-trained lawmakers testified at a House task force hearing Thursday.

Although Mr. Mills did not say so directly during the hearing, he told The Washington Times afterward that he concurred with Mr. Crane’s assessment that Mr. Trump should not go back to the Butler Farm Show grounds, although he admired his courage for wanting to do so.

Mr. Crane said during the hearing that Mr. Trump has been “extremely lucky” that the two assassination attempts against him — the July 13 shooting in Butler and a gunman perching at his Florida golf club on Sept. 15 — did not come from trained professionals.

He said he could tell from the weaponry they used and that Crooks tried to shoot Mr. Trump in the head.

“I can tell you from experience that most snipers are trained to take center-mass, torso shots if possible for the very exact reason that we saw him miss a headshot on July 13,” Mr. Crane said.

He questioned what would happen if Iran — which U.S. intelligence officials have said wants to assassinate Mr. Trump — or any other bad actor sent professionals.

“I think we can all see by now that their likelihood of success would be tremendous,” Mr. Crane said.

He and Mr. Mills suggested that Mr. Trump hire private security to supplement Secret Service protection.

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Sniper-trained lawmakers say Trump should not go back to Butler

Two members of Congress who were trained snipers in previous careers said former President Donald Trump should not hold a second rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, because of the myriad security concerns with the site.

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[White 6]

Wise advice. Sometimes you need to avoid a place that has bad vibes. This is one of those times.

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Two members of Congress who were trained snipers in previous careers said former President Donald Trump should not hold a second rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, because of the myriad security concerns with the site.​

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Mr. Trump was nearly assassinated on July 13 at a campaign rally at the Butler Farm Show grounds. A gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, climbed onto the roof of a nearby building and fired at the former president, grazing his ear. Mr. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, is set to go back to the site for a rally on Oct. 5.​

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“This was a horrible venue for a rally, and Secret Service should have done everything possible to dissuade the campaign from hosting it there,” said Rep. Elijah Crane, Arizona Republican, citing “alarming threat profiles” from multiple buildings that overlook the farm show grounds and other access areas surrounding the site.​

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“Though I appreciate the former president’s courage and strong desire to rally his supporters, I strongly suggest that he and his campaign avoid this site on Oct. 5 and in the future,” Mr. Crane said in testimony before a House task force investigating the July 13 assassination attempt.​

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Mr. Crane received military sniper training as a Navy SEAL. He and Rep. Cory Mills, a Florida Republican who worked as a countersniper for a State Department contractor, visited the rally site after the attack on Mr. Trump to conduct a security assessment and identify vulnerabilities that led to the assassination attempt.​

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The two sniper-trained lawmakers testified at a House task force hearing Thursday.​

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Although Mr. Mills did not say so directly during the hearing, he told The Washington Times afterward that he concurred with Mr. Crane’s assessment that Mr. Trump should not go back to the Butler Farm Show grounds, although he admired his courage for wanting to do so.​

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Mr. Crane said during the hearing that Mr. Trump has been “extremely lucky” that the two assassination attempts against him — the July 13 shooting in Butler and a gunman perching at his Florida golf club on Sept. 15 — did not come from trained professionals.​

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He said he could tell from the weaponry they used and that Crooks tried to shoot Mr. Trump in the head.​

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“I can tell you from experience that most snipers are trained to take center-mass, torso shots if possible for the very exact reason that we saw him miss a headshot on July 13,” Mr. Crane said.​

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He questioned what would happen if Iran — which U.S. intelligence officials have said wants to assassinate Mr. Trump — or any other bad actor sent professionals.​

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“I think we can all see by now that their likelihood of success would be tremendous,” Mr. Crane said.​

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He and Mr. Mills suggested that Mr. Trump hire private security to supplement Secret Service protection.​

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Sniper-trained lawmakers say Trump should not go back to Butler

Two members of Congress who were trained snipers in previous careers said former President Donald Trump should not hold a second rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, because of the myriad security concerns with the site.

www.washingtontimes.com

He ought to stick to indoor events, more easily controlled.

 

[shockedcanadian]

He should do as is needed for his campaign and the Secret Service should have the resources to protect him.

 

[BackAgain]

Wise advice. Sometimes you need to avoid a place that has bad vibes. This is one of those times.

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Two members of Congress who were trained snipers in previous careers said former President Donald Trump should not hold a second rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, because of the myriad security concerns with the site.​

​

Mr. Trump was nearly assassinated on July 13 at a campaign rally at the Butler Farm Show grounds. A gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, climbed onto the roof of a nearby building and fired at the former president, grazing his ear. Mr. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, is set to go back to the site for a rally on Oct. 5.​

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“This was a horrible venue for a rally, and Secret Service should have done everything possible to dissuade the campaign from hosting it there,” said Rep. Elijah Crane, Arizona Republican, citing “alarming threat profiles” from multiple buildings that overlook the farm show grounds and other access areas surrounding the site.​

​

“Though I appreciate the former president’s courage and strong desire to rally his supporters, I strongly suggest that he and his campaign avoid this site on Oct. 5 and in the future,” Mr. Crane said in testimony before a House task force investigating the July 13 assassination attempt.​

​

Mr. Crane received military sniper training as a Navy SEAL. He and Rep. Cory Mills, a Florida Republican who worked as a countersniper for a State Department contractor, visited the rally site after the attack on Mr. Trump to conduct a security assessment and identify vulnerabilities that led to the assassination attempt.​

​

The two sniper-trained lawmakers testified at a House task force hearing Thursday.​

​

Although Mr. Mills did not say so directly during the hearing, he told The Washington Times afterward that he concurred with Mr. Crane’s assessment that Mr. Trump should not go back to the Butler Farm Show grounds, although he admired his courage for wanting to do so.​

​

Mr. Crane said during the hearing that Mr. Trump has been “extremely lucky” that the two assassination attempts against him — the July 13 shooting in Butler and a gunman perching at his Florida golf club on Sept. 15 — did not come from trained professionals.​

​

He said he could tell from the weaponry they used and that Crooks tried to shoot Mr. Trump in the head.​

​

“I can tell you from experience that most snipers are trained to take center-mass, torso shots if possible for the very exact reason that we saw him miss a headshot on July 13,” Mr. Crane said.​

​

He questioned what would happen if Iran — which U.S. intelligence officials have said wants to assassinate Mr. Trump — or any other bad actor sent professionals.​

​

“I think we can all see by now that their likelihood of success would be tremendous,” Mr. Crane said.​

​

He and Mr. Mills suggested that Mr. Trump hire private security to supplement Secret Service protection.​

​

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Sniper-trained lawmakers say Trump should not go back to Butler

Two members of Congress who were trained snipers in previous careers said former President Donald Trump should not hold a second rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, because of the myriad security concerns with the site.

www.washingtontimes.com

I know why he’d want to go back. I respect that. But, I still believe he should take the advice to avoid that venue. Too open.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Wise advice. Sometimes you need to avoid a place that has bad vibes. This is one of those times.

​

Two members of Congress who were trained snipers in previous careers said former President Donald Trump should not hold a second rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, because of the myriad security concerns with the site.​

​

Mr. Trump was nearly assassinated on July 13 at a campaign rally at the Butler Farm Show grounds. A gunman, Thomas Matthew Crooks, climbed onto the roof of a nearby building and fired at the former president, grazing his ear. Mr. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, is set to go back to the site for a rally on Oct. 5.​

​

“This was a horrible venue for a rally, and Secret Service should have done everything possible to dissuade the campaign from hosting it there,” said Rep. Elijah Crane, Arizona Republican, citing “alarming threat profiles” from multiple buildings that overlook the farm show grounds and other access areas surrounding the site.​

​

“Though I appreciate the former president’s courage and strong desire to rally his supporters, I strongly suggest that he and his campaign avoid this site on Oct. 5 and in the future,” Mr. Crane said in testimony before a House task force investigating the July 13 assassination attempt.​

​

Mr. Crane received military sniper training as a Navy SEAL. He and Rep. Cory Mills, a Florida Republican who worked as a countersniper for a State Department contractor, visited the rally site after the attack on Mr. Trump to conduct a security assessment and identify vulnerabilities that led to the assassination attempt.​

​

The two sniper-trained lawmakers testified at a House task force hearing Thursday.​

​

Although Mr. Mills did not say so directly during the hearing, he told The Washington Times afterward that he concurred with Mr. Crane’s assessment that Mr. Trump should not go back to the Butler Farm Show grounds, although he admired his courage for wanting to do so.​

​

Mr. Crane said during the hearing that Mr. Trump has been “extremely lucky” that the two assassination attempts against him — the July 13 shooting in Butler and a gunman perching at his Florida golf club on Sept. 15 — did not come from trained professionals.​

​

He said he could tell from the weaponry they used and that Crooks tried to shoot Mr. Trump in the head.​

​

“I can tell you from experience that most snipers are trained to take center-mass, torso shots if possible for the very exact reason that we saw him miss a headshot on July 13,” Mr. Crane said.​

​

He questioned what would happen if Iran — which U.S. intelligence officials have said wants to assassinate Mr. Trump — or any other bad actor sent professionals.​

​

“I think we can all see by now that their likelihood of success would be tremendous,” Mr. Crane said.​

​

He and Mr. Mills suggested that Mr. Trump hire private security to supplement Secret Service protection.​

​

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Sniper-trained lawmakers say Trump should not go back to Butler

Two members of Congress who were trained snipers in previous careers said former President Donald Trump should not hold a second rally in Butler, Pennsylvania, because of the myriad security concerns with the site.

www.washingtontimes.com

Just to note, the sniper missed high, not left or right. He was likely aiming center mass, but the bullet went about a foot high and clipped Trump's ear. Had he not turned his head, he would be dead now.

 

[toobfreak]

Mr. Crane said during the hearing that Mr. Trump has been “extremely lucky” that the two assassination attempts against him — the July 13 shooting in Butler and a gunman perching at his Florida golf club on Sept. 15 — did not come from trained professionals. He said he could tell from the weaponry they used and that Crooks tried to shoot Mr. Trump in the head. He questioned what would happen if Iran — which U.S. intelligence officials have said wants to assassinate Mr. Trump — or any other bad actor sent professionals. “I think we can all see by now that their likelihood of success would be tremendous,” Mr. Crane said. He and Mr. Mills suggested that Mr. Trump hire private security to supplement Secret Service protection.

I mostly agree.

• I would go back to Pittsburgh but not the Butler Fairgrounds. Why not the David L Lawrence Convention Center right in downtown Pittsburgh?
• I would hire private security to augment SS and to oversee and critique everything they do.
• The secret service have become a joke. Years back, they were caught sleeping and partying at the WH having girls in. There was that bag of cocaine found at the WH. Now one is charged with groping some lady. Now the secret service plan to send employees to an LGBTQ-focused event at Florida’s Walt Disney World on Oct. 7-10 as part of the Out and Equal Workplace Summit that includes breakout sessions, a gala and various events aimed at promoting LGBTQ diversity in the workplace. Really?!

Under such hapless circumstances akin to the unpreparedness not seen since 9/11, Trump is at high risk from professional gunmen. They do not miss. Iran does not fool around and has made it clear their intent to get him, so if they don't try to capitalize on the opportunity to exploit the USA's swiss cheese security, someone else might.

 

[Concerned American]

I know why he’d want to go back. I respect that. But, I still believe he should take the advice to avoid that venue. Too open.

I think they have him behind a bullet-proof enclosure now.

 

[okfine]

He should go. He won't take anyone's advice, either.

 

[toobfreak]

Just to note, the sniper missed high, not left or right. He was likely aiming center mass, but the bullet went about a foot high and clipped Trump's ear.

I doubt that. An AR-15 round would have dropped about 5 inches over the 400 yards from Crooks to Trump. There was no wind that day. For the bullet to hit Trump's ear, he would have had to aim over Trump's head. Had he been intending to hit center mass, he should have been aiming more at the throat/thorax area.

When Crooks started firing, he already knew the Butler police had spotted him and were climbing to his position. Further, one got off a shot at him and hit the butt of the rifle. It was under that pressure that Crooks started shooting at Trump and the most likely reason why Crooks missed and shot high. But I agree, had the round come 1/2 second earlier with Trump's head still turned to the screen, Trump would likely be dead now.

 

[toobfreak]

I think they have him behind a bullet-proof enclosure now.

Yes but he is exposed and in the open while walking from his car to the stage.

 

[Concerned American]

Yes but he is exposed and in the open while walking from his car to the stage.

He knows he can't stay in a cocoon forever.

 

[toobfreak]

He knows he can't stay in a cocoon forever.

I fully expect there to be a third attempt on Trump's life. He better be careful. This time I think if not an actual hit man from Iran, someone inside the government will STAGE a hit job on him then CLAIM it was an Iranian or just another amateur psycho. Or maybe it will really be another leftwing crackpot like Routh or Crooks.

Consider how easily they can explain it: "After all, Trump has said so many incendiary things pissing off so many people! He asked for it!"

They are either trying to scare Trump out of politics or really trying to kill him.
Just ask yourself, who has the most to gain by a Trump defeat?

 

[Concerned American]

I fully expect there to be a third attempt on Trump's life. He better be careful. This time I think if not an actual hit man from Iran, someone inside the government will STAGE a hit job on him then CLAIM it was an Iranian or just another amateur psycho. Or maybe it will really be another leftwing crackpot like Routh or Crooks.

Consider how easily they can explain it: "After all, Trump has said so many incendiary things pissing off so many people! He asked for it!"

They are either trying to scare Trump out of politics or really trying to kill him.
Just ask yourself, who has the most to gain by a Trump defeat?

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You're preaching to the choir, but if he drops out, the same end result will be accomplished. I've got an idea that he has his own security ramped up and while not impossible, another attempt won't be as easy as the first two.