Tariffs do not have any good solutions but there are some bad ones

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Tariffs is a main topic of discussion these days, but it is difficult to fix them to where all the issues are resolved in a positive way!

Since 1994, we have had NAFTA and with Trump we changed it to USMCA. Both have had positives and negatives but neither has resolved the issue totally. I do not think that what Trump is doing is going to solve the issues either, as we will have a trade war (see it mentioned below) and likely inflation. Both will make things worse and not better. If we could not solve the issue for 30 years, Trump is not going to do it either. It has been one of those things that will always have positives and negatives no matter what and understanding that and living with it is likely the best choice.

AI Overview

Tariffs, taxes on imported goods, have both potential benefits and drawbacks. Positives include protecting domestic industries and generating revenue, while negatives include higher consumer prices and potential trade wars.

Potential Positives:
  • Protection of Domestic Industries:
    Tariffs can make imported goods more expensive, potentially encouraging consumers to buy domestically produced goods, thereby supporting local businesses and jobs.

  • Government Revenue:
    Tariffs are a source of revenue for governments, similar to other taxes.

  • National Security:
    Tariffs can be used to protect industries deemed crucial for national security, ensuring a domestic supply chain in case of disruptions.

  • Retaliation:
    Tariffs can be used to retaliate against countries that impose tariffs on a country's exports.
Potential Negatives:
  • Higher Prices for Consumers:
    Tariffs increase the cost of imported goods, which can lead to higher prices for consumers.

  • Trade Wars:
    Tariffs can lead to retaliatory tariffs from other countries, potentially escalating into trade wars that harm all involved.
  • Reduced Trade:
    Tariffs can reduce overall trade, as they make it more expensive to import and export goods.

  • Inefficiency:
    Tariffs can create inefficiencies in the economy, as they distort trade patterns and can lead to resource misallocation.

  • Impact on Businesses:
    Tariffs can negatively impact businesses that rely on imported goods or materials, potentially leading to higher costs and reduced competitiveness
AI Overview


Assessing NAFTA and USMCA for the U.S. on a scale of 1-10 is complex, with economists and policymakers holding varying perspectives. While some argue for the benefits of increased trade and economic growth, others point to potential negative impacts like job displacement and income inequality.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:


Arguments for NAFTA/USMCA:
  • Increased Trade and Economic Growth:
    NAFTA and USMCA, which replaced it, aimed to facilitate trade between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, leading to a significant increase in trade volumes and economic activity.

  • Access to Larger Markets:
    The agreements provided access to larger markets for U.S. businesses, allowing them to expand their operations and reach more consumers.

  • Reduced Tariffs and Barriers:
    NAFTA and USMCA eliminated or reduced tariffs and other trade barriers, making it easier and cheaper for businesses to trade across borders.

  • Investment Opportunities:
    The agreements created a more stable and predictable environment for foreign investment, attracting investment from other countries.

  • Job Creation:
    While some jobs may have been lost due to increased competition, the agreements also created jobs in other sectors, such as logistics and export-oriented industries.

Arguments Against NAFTA/USMCA:
  • Job Displacement:
    Some argue that NAFTA and USMCA led to job losses in the U.S., as companies moved production to Mexico to take advantage of lower labor costs.
  • Income Inequality:
    The agreements may have contributed to increased income inequality, as some workers in the U.S. struggled to compete with lower-wage workers in Mexico.
  • Weakening of Labor Standards:
    Some critics argue that the agreements weakened labor standards in the U.S., as companies had an incentive to move production to countries with weaker labor protections.
  • Environmental Concerns:
    There are concerns that the agreements may have led to environmental damage, as companies moved production to countries with weaker environmental regulations.

USMCA Specifics:
  • USMCA is a successor to NAFTA:
    The USMCA, which took effect on July 1, 2020, replaced NAFTA.

  • Modest Changes:
    The USMCA made some changes to NAFTA, but it was largely a continuation of the previous agreement.

  • Focus on Labor and Environmental Standards:
    The USMCA included provisions to strengthen labor and environmental standards in Mexico.

  • Dispute Resolution:
    The USMCA also included provisions for resolving trade disputes between the three countries.

  • More Balanced Trade:
    The USMCA aimed to create a more balanced trade relationship between the three countries.

Overall Assessment:
  • Mixed Results:
    The economic impact of NAFTA and USMCA has been mixed, with some sectors benefiting more than others.

  • No Easy Answer:
    There is no easy answer to the question of whether NAFTA and USMCA have been good for the U.S., as the benefits and drawbacks are complex and debated.
  • Ongoing Debate:
    The debate over the economic impact of NAFTA and USMCA is ongoing, and there is no consensus on whether the agreements have been overall beneficial or detrimental to the U.S.

In conclusion, while NAFTA and USMCA have led to increased trade and economic growth, they have also raised concerns about job displacement, income inequality, and environmental damage. A 1-10 rating would be subjective, and depend on the criteria used and the weight given to each factor.

Here is a very unbiased video on tariffs and their benefits and negatives, ex\specially after the 9:00 minute mark. It explains what the big problem is. It is the consumers that make tariffs work and it the consumers are not buying the American higher priced items (because of the trade wars), then the tariffs do not work

It really seems to be almost an impossible situation to resolve with Trump doing things so recklessly.
 
I like the shorter version of this thread you posted yesterday LOL. So why does your thread title contradict the content of your post? Are you trying to deceive us? Tariffs are a powerful tool especially when foreign countries use them to take advantage of America. Trump is turning the tables and serving notice there is a new sheriff in town. :113:
 
I like the shorter version of this thread you posted yesterday LOL. So why does your thread title contradict the content of your post? Are you trying to deceive us? Tariffs are a powerful tool especially when foreign countries use them to take advantage of America. Trump is turning the tables and serving notice there is a new sheriff in town. :113:
.

You're a better man than me, McGillicuddy. I could not bring myself to read that wall of text. Life's too short.


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The Dow is down another 450 points thanks to the Tariff Man.
And? Are you saying it's a buying opportunity? Some would think so.
I'm going to wait to when it bounces at the bottom a couple of times
before I buy stock. Inflation is coming down, along with gas prices and the cost of
eggs. So life goes on and the tariff thingy will shake things out, ands move forward.
 
And? Are you saying it's a buying opportunity? Some would think so.
I'm going to wait to when it bounces at the bottom a couple of times
before I buy stock. Inflation is coming down, along with gas prices and the cost of
eggs. So life goes on and the tariff thingy will shake things out, ands move forward.
.

I hope my broker's buying. Haven't talked to him in a while. I trust his judgment.


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Tariffs is a main topic of discussion these days, but it is difficult to fix them to where all the issues are resolved in a positive way!

Since 1994, we have had NAFTA and with Trump we changed it to USMCA. Both have had positives and negatives but neither has resolved the issue totally. I do not think that what Trump is doing is going to solve the issues either, as we will have a trade war (see it mentioned below) and likely inflation. Both will make things worse and not better. If we could not solve the issue for 30 years, Trump is not going to do it either. It has been one of those things that will always have positives and negatives no matter what and understanding that and living with it is likely the best choice.

AI Overview

Tariffs, taxes on imported goods, have both potential benefits and drawbacks. Positives include protecting domestic industries and generating revenue, while negatives include higher consumer prices and potential trade wars.

Potential Positives:
  • Protection of Domestic Industries:
    Tariffs can make imported goods more expensive, potentially encouraging consumers to buy domestically produced goods, thereby supporting local businesses and jobs.

  • Government Revenue:
    Tariffs are a source of revenue for governments, similar to other taxes.

  • National Security:
    Tariffs can be used to protect industries deemed crucial for national security, ensuring a domestic supply chain in case of disruptions.

  • Retaliation:
    Tariffs can be used to retaliate against countries that impose tariffs on a country's exports.
Potential Negatives:
  • Higher Prices for Consumers:
    Tariffs increase the cost of imported goods, which can lead to higher prices for consumers.

  • Trade Wars:
    Tariffs can lead to retaliatory tariffs from other countries, potentially escalating into trade wars that harm all involved.
  • Reduced Trade:
    Tariffs can reduce overall trade, as they make it more expensive to import and export goods.

  • Inefficiency:
    Tariffs can create inefficiencies in the economy, as they distort trade patterns and can lead to resource misallocation.

  • Impact on Businesses:
    Tariffs can negatively impact businesses that rely on imported goods or materials, potentially leading to higher costs and reduced competitiveness
AI Overview


Assessing NAFTA and USMCA for the U.S. on a scale of 1-10 is complex, with economists and policymakers holding varying perspectives. While some argue for the benefits of increased trade and economic growth, others point to potential negative impacts like job displacement and income inequality.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:


Arguments for NAFTA/USMCA:
  • Increased Trade and Economic Growth:
    NAFTA and USMCA, which replaced it, aimed to facilitate trade between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, leading to a significant increase in trade volumes and economic activity.

  • Access to Larger Markets:
    The agreements provided access to larger markets for U.S. businesses, allowing them to expand their operations and reach more consumers.

  • Reduced Tariffs and Barriers:
    NAFTA and USMCA eliminated or reduced tariffs and other trade barriers, making it easier and cheaper for businesses to trade across borders.

  • Investment Opportunities:
    The agreements created a more stable and predictable environment for foreign investment, attracting investment from other countries.

  • Job Creation:
    While some jobs may have been lost due to increased competition, the agreements also created jobs in other sectors, such as logistics and export-oriented industries.

Arguments Against NAFTA/USMCA:
  • Job Displacement:
    Some argue that NAFTA and USMCA led to job losses in the U.S., as companies moved production to Mexico to take advantage of lower labor costs.
  • Income Inequality:
    The agreements may have contributed to increased income inequality, as some workers in the U.S. struggled to compete with lower-wage workers in Mexico.
  • Weakening of Labor Standards:
    Some critics argue that the agreements weakened labor standards in the U.S., as companies had an incentive to move production to countries with weaker labor protections.
  • Environmental Concerns:
    There are concerns that the agreements may have led to environmental damage, as companies moved production to countries with weaker environmental regulations.

USMCA Specifics:
  • USMCA is a successor to NAFTA:
    The USMCA, which took effect on July 1, 2020, replaced NAFTA.

  • Modest Changes:
    The USMCA made some changes to NAFTA, but it was largely a continuation of the previous agreement.

  • Focus on Labor and Environmental Standards:
    The USMCA included provisions to strengthen labor and environmental standards in Mexico.

  • Dispute Resolution:
    The USMCA also included provisions for resolving trade disputes between the three countries.

  • More Balanced Trade:
    The USMCA aimed to create a more balanced trade relationship between the three countries.

Overall Assessment:
  • Mixed Results:
    The economic impact of NAFTA and USMCA has been mixed, with some sectors benefiting more than others.

  • No Easy Answer:
    There is no easy answer to the question of whether NAFTA and USMCA have been good for the U.S., as the benefits and drawbacks are complex and debated.
  • Ongoing Debate:
    The debate over the economic impact of NAFTA and USMCA is ongoing, and there is no consensus on whether the agreements have been overall beneficial or detrimental to the U.S.

In conclusion, while NAFTA and USMCA have led to increased trade and economic growth, they have also raised concerns about job displacement, income inequality, and environmental damage. A 1-10 rating would be subjective, and depend on the criteria used and the weight given to each factor.

Here is a very unbiased video on tariffs and their benefits and negatives, ex\specially after the 9:00 minute mark. It explains what the big problem is. It is the consumers that make tariffs work and it the consumers are not buying the American higher priced items (because of the trade wars), then the tariffs do not work

It really seems to be almost an impossible situation to resolve with Trump doing things so recklessly.

What is the bias of the producers of the video?

Are they pro china, anti American or both, in the form of obama/soros democrats?
 
I wrote this yesterday but most dimocrap scum have me on 'ignore'. One reason why they're so irredeemably fucking stupid..... They just won't listen

After WW2, we were about the only major Country that hadn't had its Industrial Base bombed to rubble.

Germany, France, Britain, Japan, Russia, Italy and many more. Many

So we allowed them to almost, essentially, to not-quite-block our goods coming in for a time, then hit them hard with tariffs. If they hadn't, they would have never been able to build their industries back. So we not only allowed them to throttle our exports, we encouraged it. This also contributed a great deal to the major pollution problems of the 70's, 80's and 90's. We could make anything and somebody, somewhere would buy it.

No more. The Chinese have that market covered

All this is above my pay grade but I do understand the concept. Barely :)

The problem is/was, that all these countries got accustomed to smacking our exports around. And we got accustomed to not competing. Cars, for example. GM (BFF's with the DNC) was a major factor in America making the biggest piles of shit in the world for 30 years. Another topic for another time.

But the tariffs that OMB has declared War on? They're outdated. We wanted those countries to get up to speed and compete on an equal footing. But now, they are using the tariffs to get one-up on us.

That needs to change. Or -- We can have a Trade War and we'll see how that works out.

Tariffs will be a short-term pain for a long-term gain
 
And? Are you saying it's a buying opportunity? Some would think so.
I'm going to wait to when it bounces at the bottom a couple of times
before I buy stock. Inflation is coming down, along with gas prices and the cost of
eggs. So life goes on and the tariff thingy will shake things out, ands move forward.
Support levels have been broken so the computers and algorithms are not buying. This means there is more downside to come. That does not mean that some bounces might not occur here and there.

For example, the 200-day MA in the DOW is at 41948. The DOW is presently at 40989, meaning that a 1000-point bounce could occur without the downtrend changing.
 
Tariffs is a main topic of discussion these days, but it is difficult to fix them to where all the issues are resolved in a positive way!

Since 1994, we have had NAFTA and with Trump we changed it to USMCA. Both have had positives and negatives but neither has resolved the issue totally. I do not think that what Trump is doing is going to solve the issues either, as we will have a trade war (see it mentioned below) and likely inflation. Both will make things worse and not better. If we could not solve the issue for 30 years, Trump is not going to do it either. It has been one of those things that will always have positives and negatives no matter what and understanding that and living with it is likely the best choice.

AI Overview

Tariffs, taxes on imported goods, have both potential benefits and drawbacks. Positives include protecting domestic industries and generating revenue, while negatives include higher consumer prices and potential trade wars.

Potential Positives:
  • Protection of Domestic Industries:
    Tariffs can make imported goods more expensive, potentially encouraging consumers to buy domestically produced goods, thereby supporting local businesses and jobs.

  • Government Revenue:
    Tariffs are a source of revenue for governments, similar to other taxes.

  • National Security:
    Tariffs can be used to protect industries deemed crucial for national security, ensuring a domestic supply chain in case of disruptions.

  • Retaliation:
    Tariffs can be used to retaliate against countries that impose tariffs on a country's exports.
Potential Negatives:
  • Higher Prices for Consumers:
    Tariffs increase the cost of imported goods, which can lead to higher prices for consumers.

  • Trade Wars:
    Tariffs can lead to retaliatory tariffs from other countries, potentially escalating into trade wars that harm all involved.
  • Reduced Trade:
    Tariffs can reduce overall trade, as they make it more expensive to import and export goods.

  • Inefficiency:
    Tariffs can create inefficiencies in the economy, as they distort trade patterns and can lead to resource misallocation.

  • Impact on Businesses:
    Tariffs can negatively impact businesses that rely on imported goods or materials, potentially leading to higher costs and reduced competitiveness
AI Overview


Assessing NAFTA and USMCA for the U.S. on a scale of 1-10 is complex, with economists and policymakers holding varying perspectives. While some argue for the benefits of increased trade and economic growth, others point to potential negative impacts like job displacement and income inequality.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:


Arguments for NAFTA/USMCA:
  • Increased Trade and Economic Growth:
    NAFTA and USMCA, which replaced it, aimed to facilitate trade between the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, leading to a significant increase in trade volumes and economic activity.

  • Access to Larger Markets:
    The agreements provided access to larger markets for U.S. businesses, allowing them to expand their operations and reach more consumers.

  • Reduced Tariffs and Barriers:
    NAFTA and USMCA eliminated or reduced tariffs and other trade barriers, making it easier and cheaper for businesses to trade across borders.

  • Investment Opportunities:
    The agreements created a more stable and predictable environment for foreign investment, attracting investment from other countries.

  • Job Creation:
    While some jobs may have been lost due to increased competition, the agreements also created jobs in other sectors, such as logistics and export-oriented industries.

Arguments Against NAFTA/USMCA:
  • Job Displacement:
    Some argue that NAFTA and USMCA led to job losses in the U.S., as companies moved production to Mexico to take advantage of lower labor costs.
  • Income Inequality:
    The agreements may have contributed to increased income inequality, as some workers in the U.S. struggled to compete with lower-wage workers in Mexico.
  • Weakening of Labor Standards:
    Some critics argue that the agreements weakened labor standards in the U.S., as companies had an incentive to move production to countries with weaker labor protections.
  • Environmental Concerns:
    There are concerns that the agreements may have led to environmental damage, as companies moved production to countries with weaker environmental regulations.

USMCA Specifics:
  • USMCA is a successor to NAFTA:
    The USMCA, which took effect on July 1, 2020, replaced NAFTA.

  • Modest Changes:
    The USMCA made some changes to NAFTA, but it was largely a continuation of the previous agreement.

  • Focus on Labor and Environmental Standards:
    The USMCA included provisions to strengthen labor and environmental standards in Mexico.

  • Dispute Resolution:
    The USMCA also included provisions for resolving trade disputes between the three countries.

  • More Balanced Trade:
    The USMCA aimed to create a more balanced trade relationship between the three countries.

Overall Assessment:
  • Mixed Results:
    The economic impact of NAFTA and USMCA has been mixed, with some sectors benefiting more than others.

  • No Easy Answer:
    There is no easy answer to the question of whether NAFTA and USMCA have been good for the U.S., as the benefits and drawbacks are complex and debated.
  • Ongoing Debate:
    The debate over the economic impact of NAFTA and USMCA is ongoing, and there is no consensus on whether the agreements have been overall beneficial or detrimental to the U.S.

In conclusion, while NAFTA and USMCA have led to increased trade and economic growth, they have also raised concerns about job displacement, income inequality, and environmental damage. A 1-10 rating would be subjective, and depend on the criteria used and the weight given to each factor.

Here is a very unbiased video on tariffs and their benefits and negatives, ex\specially after the 9:00 minute mark. It explains what the big problem is. It is the consumers that make tariffs work and it the consumers are not buying the American higher priced items (because of the trade wars), then the tariffs do not work

It really seems to be almost an impossible situation to resolve with Trump doing things so recklessly.

Why are you silent about the over 200% tariffs Canada has on American products.

Been in place for YEARS.

What about those?
 
What 'facts' did they leave out?

We are all aware of the dimocrap penchant for lying by omission
That was not a Democratic video. It was a video talking about the problems that exist with tariffs. It applies to all countries.

As far as the information given above the video, that is all AI generated and therefore, also not political.
 
Support levels have been broken so the computers and algorithms are not buying. This means there is more downside to come. That does not mean that some bounces might not occur here and there.

For example, the 200-day MA in the DOW is at 41948. The DOW is presently at 40989, meaning that a 1000-point bounce could occur without the downtrend changing.
There may be more downward trends, but, Company earnings are still strong and inflation is
starting to move down. The tariffs may pressure the market temporarily, but in the long game
the market will continue to rise. Are you a day trader? Must really suck if you are.
 
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