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wrong again---I am very familiar with Ezra and the controversies thatYou mean the '2nd Temple' built by the Persians that set the Babylonians up as a puppet state on their frontier and then made themselves the only 'real Jews' and the 'master race' of Jews? I guess you've never read Ezra and somehow think they were never corrupt until the Romans came along a few hundred years later and pissed on their wheaties or something.
Of course---they were both influenced by prior "wise guys" What isAre you familiar with the Book of Tobit? Protestant Christians removed it from their Bible, but it remains in the Old Testament of the Catholic Bible as it was a story included in the scrolls of Jesus' day. It was written about two hundred years before Jesus was born, so also before the birth of Hillel, and is said to have been very popular among Jews.
The story was set at the time Jews were living in exile, and some turned to the worship of idols/foreign god. Tobit and his family remained faithful to God and His Commandments, and was an example of how faithful Jews should be/should have been living. Chapter 4 includes a Father's instructions. Verse 15 is astounding, and the verses following it are amazing as well. He tells his son:
(14) - Do to no one what you yourself dislike....
It continues with advice on what to do.
Since both Hillel and Jesus were traditional Jews who stood by Mosaic teachings and pointed to Jews who, even in times of exile, lived their faith. Further, if Hillel was calling to mind a verse in Tobit's story (Do to no one what you yourself dislike) he would expect his students/disciples to call to mind the verses following that instruct what one should do. Could it be both Hillel and Jesus were influenced by an earlier writer, the author of the Book of Tobit?
Hillel had something important to say. Jesus quoted him and was given the credit. I said "given" i didn't say "took".The difference between Hillel and Jesus
wrong again---I am very familiar with Ezra and the controversies that
he wrought. As to the issues of "which college is better" have no fear--
they were and are no more important than the disputes between
Army and Navy during football season. Have you ever attended a
pre-game pep rally. Now tell me about your jelly bean version of the
"temple cult" -----and talmud bavli vs talmud yerushalami
Grin. You think I have a point! I didn't, but I can come up with one. How about, "Here is why Protestants should never have kicked the Book of Tobit (as well as other books) out of their Bible."What is
your point?
not exactly. The New Testament is chock full of Hillel on the lips ofHillel had something important to say. Jesus quoted him and was given the credit. I said "given" i didn't say "took".
The Talmud Bavli of today is a collection of the RECORDS of theSo you think the Talmud was a thing in those days, do you? So you're not really educated on it at all. Okay.
Of course---they were both influenced by prior "wise guys" What is
your point? In Jewish tradition Hillel is not DIVINE ---he isn't even a
"prophet" -----he is just a talmudist, so prolific that people refer to "the
school of Hillel" which is HIS STUFF. He was very popular in his own day
in Jerusalem---his day slightly preceding and probably overlapping a little,
that of Jesus. People still quote Hillel (as did Jesus back in the day)
Then you misunderstand what the talmud is.So you think the Talmud was a thing in those days, do you?
I haven't read the Samaritan Talmud. Can you privide a link to a text (or a scholarly edition) so I can look at it?The PEanut Gallery can amuse themselves by looking up which of the two came first; on is a couple hundred years older than the other, and then there is the Samaritans Talmud.
according to you. That's OK.the mystical 'Oral Torah', fabricated long after.
actually, that's not true. In fact, he explicitly endorsed the talmud and its teaching and teachers.Hint: Jesus rejected the mythic fictional l 'Oral Torah' and followed the Old Testament's guidance, i.e. Moses' written Torah was complete as written, no 'Top Double Secret Speshul Torah Just For Babylonian Jews' need apply.
That is a fascinating story, and one I hadn’t heard before. I will do some research, and also ask my rabbi about it. Thanks!Are you familiar with the Book of Tobit? Protestant Christians removed it from their Bible, but it remains in the Old Testament of the Catholic Bible as it was a story included in the scrolls of Jesus' day. It was written about two hundred years before Jesus was born, so also before the birth of Hillel, and is said to have been very popular among Jews.
The story was set at the time Jews were living in exile, and some turned to the worship of idols/foreign god. Tobit and his family remained faithful to God and His Commandments, and was an example of how faithful Jews should be/should have been living. Chapter 4 includes a Father's instructions. Verse 15 is astounding, and the verses following it are amazing as well. He tells his son:
(14) - Do to no one what you yourself dislike....
It continues with advice on what to do.
Since both Hillel and Jesus were traditional Jews who stood by Mosaic teachings and pointed to Jews who, even in times of exile, lived their faith. Further, if Hillel was calling to mind a verse in Tobit's story (Do to no one what you yourself dislike) he would expect his students/disciples to call to mind the verses following that instruct what one should do. Could it be both Hillel and Jesus were influenced by an earlier writer, the author of the Book of Tobit?
Then you misunderstand what the talmud is.
I haven't read the Samaritan Talmud. Can you privide a link to a text (or a scholarly edition) so I can look at it?
according to you. That's OK.
actually, that's not true. In fact, he explicitly endorsed the talmud and its teaching and teachers.
Nope. Does your friend have any other questions?Was Rosie one of your students? Asking for a friend.
where did I suggest that Hillel is the "ONLY" scholar quoted? The Mishna isBoth were 'taught' by the Pentateuch, that's why they're 'similar'.
Hillel The Elder is the most quoted in the Mishna, which is not the same thing as being the only scholar cited.
lol at 'Talmudist'. Funny stuff. You can find out why on your own.
where did I suggest that Hillel is the "ONLY" scholar quoted? The Mishna is
commentary. TALMUDIST is an accurate description----you are very confused---since the very words 'MISHNA' and 'TALMUD' throw you into a tailspin.
btw ---"gospel" is even funnier
Most jews don't and no christians do. but I do. Your literature isYes, we get it, you have no idea what the Talmud is. Okay. A lot of Jews don't have a clue either.
