The History behind Normalizing Homosexuality...

[Amelia]

While homosexuality might be considered "normal" by human definition and standards, it is not normal by Natural law. In Nature, sex is a means of propagating the species. Homosexuality does nothing to continue a species existence. Under human definition, sex is also a means to express one's affection for another. Homosexuals, like heterosexuals, use sex as an expression of their affection for and bond with, another being.
In the human sense, I suppose one could label homosexuality as "normal" for homo-sapiens.

In nature, homosexuality allows creatures to satisfy their sex drive without causing havoc in established tribes. So in polygamous groups, the unattached males having other outlets could help continue the species' existence by not upsetting the time-tested status quo.

 

[gallantwarrior]

While homosexuality might be considered "normal" by human definition and standards, it is not normal by Natural law. In Nature, sex is a means of propagating the species. Homosexuality does nothing to continue a species existence. Under human definition, sex is also a means to express one's affection for another. Homosexuals, like heterosexuals, use sex as an expression of their affection for and bond with, another being.
In the human sense, I suppose one could label homosexuality as "normal" for homo-sapiens.

In nature, homosexuality allows creatures to satisfy their sex drive without causing havoc in established tribes. So in polygamous groups, the unattached males having other outlets could help continue the species' existence by not upsetting the time-tested status quo.

Yeah, that's why juvenile and non-dominant males hang around the edges of herds (tribes), often dashing in to breed the females when the superior males are engaged in combat. If you refer to the mounting behavior often observed in bachelor groups, you will also observe similar mounting activities in groups of females, too. If you observe closely enough, you will also notice that there is no sexual penetration. Such displays serve to establish the herd hierarchy, those doing the mounting being superior to those mounted.

 

[koshergrl]

Homosexuality: The Mental Illness That Went AwayAn alternative perspective on mental disorders | PHILIP HICKEY, PH.D.

According to the American Psychiatric Association, until 1974 homosexuality was a mental illness. Freud had alluded to homosexuality numerous times in his writings, and had concluded that paranoia and homosexuality were inseparable. Other psychiatrists wrote copiously on the subject, and homosexuality was “treated” on a wide basis. There was little or no suggestion within the psychiatric community that homosexuality might be conceptualized as anything other than a mental illness that needed to be treated. And, of course, homosexuality was listed as a mental illness in DSM-II.

Then in 1970 gay activists protested against the APA convention in San Francisco. These scenes were repeated in 1971, and as people came out of the “closet” and felt empowered politically and socially, the APA directorate became increasingly uncomfortable with their stance. In 1973 the APA’s nomenclature task force recommended that homosexuality be declared normal. The trustees were not prepared to go that far, but they did vote to remove homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses by a vote of 13 to 0, with 2 abstentions. This decision was confirmed by a vote of the APA membership, and homosexuality was no longer listed in the seventh edition of DSM-II, which was issued in 1974.

What’s noteworthy about this is that the removal of homosexuality from the list of mental illnesses was not triggered by some scientific breakthrough. There was no new fact or set of facts that stimulated this major change. Rather, it was the simple reality that gay people started to kick up a fuss. They gained a voice and began to make themselves heard. And the APA reacted with truly astonishing speed. And with good reason. They realized intuitively that a protracted battle would have drawn increasing attention to the spurious nature of their entire taxonomy. So they quickly “cut loose” the gay community and forestalled any radical scrutiny of the DSM system generally.

Also noteworthy is the fact that the vote of the membership was by no means unanimous. Only about 55% of the members who voted favored the change.

Of course, the APA put the best spin they could on these events. The fact is that they altered their taxonomy because of intense pressure from the gay community, but they claimed that the change was prompted by research findings.

So all the people who had this terrible “illness” were “cured” overnight – by a vote!
Read MOAR!:

Mental Health Diagnoses Decided by Vote, Not Discovery

And if you don't Believe this Doctor's Claims about the Protests, would you Believe Gays themselves?...

"The May 1971 Scene: A Bad Time for a Conference in Washington DC
The American Psychiatric Association (APA) held its annual convention in Washington DC during the first week of May 1971, amidst the turmoil and congestion of the MayDay antiwar demonstrations and at a time when the Gay MayDay contingent in those demonstrations had drawn large numbers of gay men and lesbians to the city. The convention was held at the Shoreham Hotel which backed up on Rock Creek Park. The scene in the city was chaotic: protestors, estimated at more than 10,000, (the remnants of an initial contingent of nearly 50,000) had spent the mornings of Monday May 3rd and Tuesday May 4th disrupting traffic, blocking roads and bridges, and trying to bring the normal business of government to a halt in protest against the Vietnam War. An even larger federal force, some 13,000, of soldiers (Marines and US Army), National Guardsmen, and police fought off the protestors. More than 10,000 were arrested. Tear gas and smoke were in the air in downtown Washington DC. The streets around the APA convention were patrolled

Following disruption by gay activists at the 1970 convention in San Francisco, the APA offered a conference panel discussion to be organized by Dr. Kameny, who invited Barbara Gittings, Jack Baker and others to participate in a discussion entitled "Lifestyles of Nonpatient Homosexuals", which ensured the panelists admittance to all of the convention's activities including the annual Convocation of Fellows."

1971: Zapping the APA Convention


The best part about this History is that at this time Gay Organizations were Directly in Line with and Marching with NAMBLA... Fact not Fiction.

It wasn't until 1994 that the Gay Community was finally "outed" regarding their Ties to NAMBLA when the ILGA was removed from the World Conference on Population and Disease for it.

Since that year, they have been Smart enough to Avoid their old Friends...

But not always:

University of Minnesota Press book challenges anxiety about pedophilia

Mark O'Keefe Newhouse News Service
Published Mar 26, 2002

Source: StarTribune.com: News, weather, sports from Minneapolis, St. Paul and Minnesota (Link has since been Purged by the Star... Of course... But I have the entire thing here)

Sex between adults and children has been a societal taboo so strong that it's considered one of our few unquestioned moral principles. But arguments have emerged in academic journals, books and online that at least some such sex should be acceptable, especially when children consent to it...

With more research, some scholars say, it may be only a matter of time before modern society accepts adult-child sex, just as it has learned to accept premarital sex and homosexual sex.

"Children are the last bastion of the old sexual morality," wrote one of the trailblazers for this view, Harris Mirkin, an associate professor of political science at the University of Missouri-Kansas City...

Mirkin, whose academic specialty is the politics of sex, wrote in a 1999 article published in The Journal of Homosexuality that society perceives youths as seduced, abused victims and not "partners or initiators or willing participants" in sex with adults, "even if they are hustlers."

In an interview, Mirkin said the outrage surrounding the Roman Catholic Church's pedophilia scandal illustrates how the public views acts of intergenerational contact as "one big blur" of child abuse when it's likely "very, very mild stuff."

"We say if someone touches or molests or diddles or whatever a kid it will ruin the rest of their life. I don't believe it. I think kids are more likely to laugh at it more than anything else -- unless the whole culture says this is the most horrible thing that can happen to you."

Mirkin is not alone in questioning whether children are harmed by sexual contact with adults. The March 2002 American Psychologist devotes its entire issue to the ongoing fallout of a journal article that did just that.

The piece, in the July 1998 issue of Psychological Bulletin, was written by Bruce Rind, then an assistant professor of psychology at Temple University; Robert Bauserman, a lecturer then with the department of psychology at the University of Michigan; and Philip Tromovitch, then pursuing a doctorate at the University of Pennsylvania.

The trio reviewed 59 studies of college students who, as children, had sexual interaction with significantly older people or were coerced into sexual activity with someone of their own age. They concluded that negative effects "were neither pervasive nor typically intense, and that men reacted much less negatively than women." It recommended that a child's "willing encounter with positive reactions" be called "adult-child sex" instead of "abuse."

A soon-to-be-released book, "Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children From Sex," is being advertised by its publisher, University of Minnesota Press, as challenging widespread anxieties about pedophilia.

In an interview, the book's author, journalist Judith Levine, praised the Rind study as evidence that "doesn't line up with the ideology that it's always harmful for kids to have sexual relationships with adults."

She said the pedophilia among Roman Catholic priests is complicated to analyze, because it's almost always secret, considered forbidden and involves an authority figure.

She added, however, that, "yes, conceivably, absolutely" a boy's sexual experience with a priest could be positive."...

You can read MOAR at the link under the headline.

Of course I will be Attacked for Observing what is... But what I have Posted is 100% True.

And if you Doubt for a Minute that the Pedo's are the Gays of the 50's and 60's right now to the Gay Community, then you are kidding yourselves.

The ONLY Reason most of them Distances themselves from NAMBLA and the others is because they got Caught and it Harmed their own Agenda.

History is what it is... If you want to be Angry about History then so be it.

I'm just an Observer.



peace...

Kinseys books on sex came out in 1969, I do believe, and the APA, the CDC and all the liberal kooks swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

He maintained that children are sexual from birth. He supported this using "studies" that essentially were the journals of a couple of particularly foul pedophiles...he established "normal" sexuality using *studies* with a control group of prison inmates, homosexuals, and prostitutes.

And the wonderful left gobbled it all up. They used Kinsey's work while developing sex education curriculum for children, and they cited his works when arguing the age at which children should be taught about deviant sex practices (which after all, aren't deviant according to his body of work).

The CDC, Guttmacher's, the APA..all rely heavily upon Kinsey's now completely discredited work....they know it is discredited, but it suits their purpose to continue to laud it and to downplay the fraud part.

After Kinsey's work came out, homosexuality was removed from the APA list of mental disorders, and the laws began to change....usually citing his work as justification for de-criminalizing altogether, or just reducing the punishment for, most sex offenses, including those against children.

 

[NLT]

And more.

Good Lord you are Stupid...



peace...

Nope...and the mods know exactly what that thread is about. Maybe they are waiting to see just how stupidly far you'd go with it. I guessing you'll go too far soon.......

So whats the thread about bodey? Tell us all.

 

[Mertex]

peace...

So, you're anti-homosexuality?

 

[HUGGY]

The History behind Normalizing Homosexuality

I find it interesting that the author of this thread CHOSE the word "Behind" to use in the title...

VERY interesting...

Very telling?

Or.... is it?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

its like blonde hair or brown hair.

its a a slice of human kind is all.

the only reason it ever became though of as bad was when societies needed as many births as possible to be succesful so it was demonized.


why cant people move out of the past and understand it?

I agree with post no. 1. Schizophrenia, manic depression, or pedophilia are also slices of human kind. But we don't make prior categories vanish because people in one of those groups have cash and clout to buy enough lawyers and PR firms to make them "acceptable". All of us here have to admit, things have radically changed in ten short years. To me, there is something rotten in Denmark, over the last ten years this issue has been thrust into American awareness. To who’s benefit? We have a category of mental dysfunction for just about EVERYTHING nowadays. But suddenly, people with gender confusion and all the resulting sexual confusion is...NORMAL? Something isn’t adding up here.

Homosexuality is a naturally occurring manifestation of the human condition, it is not a ‘mental illness.’

The issue has nothing to do with lawyers and PR firms but a realization on the part of the mental health community that there was a rush to judgement in the past with regard to homosexuality, where its classification as a ‘mental illness’ was predicated on fear, hate, and ignorance.

Because homosexuality is normal, and always has been, the stigma of ‘mental illness’ was appropriately removed in the context of scientific integrity, where mental health professionals acknowledged the error.

 

[koshergrl]

its like blonde hair or brown hair.

its a a slice of human kind is all.

the only reason it ever became though of as bad was when societies needed as many births as possible to be succesful so it was demonized.


why cant people move out of the past and understand it?

I agree with post no. 1. Schizophrenia, manic depression, or pedophilia are also slices of human kind. But we don't make prior categories vanish because people in one of those groups have cash and clout to buy enough lawyers and PR firms to make them "acceptable". All of us here have to admit, things have radically changed in ten short years. To me, there is something rotten in Denmark, over the last ten years this issue has been thrust into American awareness. To who’s benefit? We have a category of mental dysfunction for just about EVERYTHING nowadays. But suddenly, people with gender confusion and all the resulting sexual confusion is...NORMAL? Something isn’t adding up here.

Homosexuality is a naturally occurring manifestation of the human condition, it is not a ‘mental illness.’

The issue has nothing to do with lawyers and PR firms but a realization on the part of the mental health community that there was a rush to judgement in the past with regard to homosexuality, where its classification as a ‘mental illness’ was predicated on fear, hate, and ignorance.

Because homosexuality is normal, and always has been, the stigma of ‘mental illness’ was appropriately removed in the context of scientific integrity, where mental health professionals acknowledged the error.

As I said. Kinsey. They swallowed. And this loon is regurgitating it.

All that crap that he just spouted there...the *normality* of h omosexuality etc....all straight from Kinsey.

Yup, it's perfectly normal among homosexuals, pedophiles and incarcerated sex offenders.

 

[koshergrl]

BTW, schizophrenia is natural too.

So should we remove that from the mental illness list?

Does that mean you don't care if schizos collect guns? After all, schizophrenia is *normal* by the standards you apply...and in fact, if we polled the inhabitants of insane asylums, we could provide statistics that would show just how normal and prevalent it is, and that would prove the point, just as Kinsey's studies convinced the APA that homosexuality was "normal".

This points to the complete lunacy of the APA as well...it's all the same old ball of wax.

 

[HUGGY]

its like blonde hair or brown hair.

its a a slice of human kind is all.

the only reason it ever became though of as bad was when societies needed as many births as possible to be succesful so it was demonized.


why cant people move out of the past and understand it?

I agree with post no. 1. Schizophrenia, manic depression, or pedophilia are also slices of human kind. But we don't make prior categories vanish because people in one of those groups have cash and clout to buy enough lawyers and PR firms to make them "acceptable". All of us here have to admit, things have radically changed in ten short years. To me, there is something rotten in Denmark, over the last ten years this issue has been thrust into American awareness. To who’s benefit? We have a category of mental dysfunction for just about EVERYTHING nowadays. But suddenly, people with gender confusion and all the resulting sexual confusion is...NORMAL? Something isn’t adding up here.

Homosexuality is a naturally occurring manifestation of the human condition, it is not a ‘mental illness.’

The issue has nothing to do with lawyers and PR firms but a realization on the part of the mental health community that there was a rush to judgement in the past with regard to homosexuality, where its classification as a ‘mental illness’ was predicated on fear, hate, and ignorance.

Because homosexuality is normal, and always has been, the stigma of ‘mental illness’ was appropriately removed in the context of scientific integrity, where mental health professionals acknowledged the error.

Is it "natural" to talk like gay guys talk? I get it that what they do behind closed doors is none of my beezwax but I have to admit hearing that efeminite talk coming out of a mans mouth is creepy. Seriously. Maybe that says something about me that I'm not in touch with but frankly the way some gays talk makes my stomach a little queezy.

 

[koshergrl]

Homophobe!

 

[HUGGY]

Homophobe!

Explain!

 

[Ravi]

People with sex hangups are the ones that fear teh gay. Otherwise, they wouldn't spend all this time obsessing over gay sex on messageboards.

 

[koshergrl]

Thanks for the confession, rav. It will help others to understand, I'm sure.

 

[poet]

 

[mal]

Thanks for the confession, rav. It will help others to understand, I'm sure.

peace...

 

[koshergrl]

Oh look, a big "Christians are bad" plopped down in the middle of a thread discussing the normalization of homosexuality.

Next stop....pedophilia as an orientation.

 

[mal]

The History behind Normalizing Homosexuality

I find it interesting that the author of this thread CHOSE the word "Behind" to use in the title...

VERY interesting...

Very telling?

Or.... is it?

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Ravir is such a Fag...



peace...

 

[ShackledNation]

I agree with post no. 1. Schizophrenia, manic depression, or pedophilia are also slices of human kind. But we don't make prior categories vanish because people in one of those groups have cash and clout to buy enough lawyers and PR firms to make them "acceptable". All of us here have to admit, things have radically changed in ten short years. To me, there is something rotten in Denmark, over the last ten years this issue has been thrust into American awareness. To who’s benefit? We have a category of mental dysfunction for just about EVERYTHING nowadays. But suddenly, people with gender confusion and all the resulting sexual confusion is...NORMAL? Something isn’t adding up here.

Homosexuality is a naturally occurring manifestation of the human condition, it is not a ‘mental illness.’

The issue has nothing to do with lawyers and PR firms but a realization on the part of the mental health community that there was a rush to judgement in the past with regard to homosexuality, where its classification as a ‘mental illness’ was predicated on fear, hate, and ignorance.

Because homosexuality is normal, and always has been, the stigma of ‘mental illness’ was appropriately removed in the context of scientific integrity, where mental health professionals acknowledged the error.

Is it "natural" to talk like gay guys talk? I get it that what they do behind closed doors is none of my beezwax but I have to admit hearing that efeminite talk coming out of a mans mouth is creepy. Seriously. Maybe that says something about me that I'm not in touch with but frankly the way some gays talk makes my stomach a little queezy.

That's as stupid as asking if it is "natural" to talk like black guys talk.

 

[gallantwarrior]

its like blonde hair or brown hair.

its a a slice of human kind is all.

the only reason it ever became though of as bad was when societies needed as many births as possible to be succesful so it was demonized.


why cant people move out of the past and understand it?

I agree with post no. 1. Schizophrenia, manic depression, or pedophilia are also slices of human kind. But we don't make prior categories vanish because people in one of those groups have cash and clout to buy enough lawyers and PR firms to make them "acceptable". All of us here have to admit, things have radically changed in ten short years. To me, there is something rotten in Denmark, over the last ten years this issue has been thrust into American awareness. To who’s benefit? We have a category of mental dysfunction for just about EVERYTHING nowadays. But suddenly, people with gender confusion and all the resulting sexual confusion is...NORMAL? Something isn’t adding up here.

Homosexuality is a naturally occurring manifestation of the human condition, it is not a ‘mental illness.’

The issue has nothing to do with lawyers and PR firms but a realization on the part of the mental health community that there was a rush to judgement in the past with regard to homosexuality, where its classification as a ‘mental illness’ was predicated on fear, hate, and ignorance.

Because homosexuality is normal, and always has been, the stigma of ‘mental illness’ was appropriately removed in the context of scientific integrity, where mental health professionals acknowledged the error.

"Normal" if you wish to consider it a "human condition". Highly abnormal if you consider natural law.