The Obama Approved (Nazi)TSA sexual assault of former Miss USA

[Valerie]

The evidence is her reaction to what happened. Since you dismiss the evidence as her being nothing more than a dram queen, nothing that she says will satisfy you.

Sexual assault is essentially a he said/she said type of crime. You used to have to provide medical proof of injury and torn clothing to prove sexual assault, now all you need to do is convince a jury that you are telling the truth. If people still had to provide evidence of sexual assault that would satisfy the standards you seem to have most date rapes would be legal, and quite a few stranger rapes. In fact, almost all child rape cases lack evidence that would meet whatever your criteria is.

Unbelievable you want to take a cursory security search down that road...


Did she press charges for sexual assault?


Did she not say the reason she was crying because she "didn't want to be radiated on" and FELT violated by having to do one or the other? She described the woman screener as patting her down left and right, back and front, with the back of her hand, just like every other passenger who refused the x-ray. You are deliberately mischaracterizing this routine search as if it was sexual, when in fact there is no evidence that is was...

I do not know if she pressed charges. All I know is that she made a complaint.

Go back and watch the video again. She clearly differentiates between the search she had at DFW and another pat down she went through at LAX. In other words, her problem is not with being patted down, it is with a pat down that results in a sexual assault. Your dismissal of her as a drama queen, and not even paying enough attention to know that she has been patted down before and had no problem with the procedure when it does not result in her being assaulted, proves that you are simply defending the TSA without thought.

I think that means you owe someone an apology.

Who?


So she claims that one TSA agent did not pat her down the same way as another which proves nothing about sexual assault...


Let me know if she ever files a claim of sexual assault and if the TSA agent is then found to have sexually assaulted her, then I will definitely apologize.

 

[Robert]

Well yes but its ok don't you know the goose steppers are from the guberment and they're here to halp us.

So no matter the abuse its quite alright because they mean well. Hell those 6 year old girls totally setup the fondling by TSA don't you know it really was their fault.

Yea i see the Goose Steppers are in 'Blame the Victim' Mode. It's pretty disgraceful. Most of these 'Blame the Victim' assholes will be back to pretending they oppose these abuses when the Republicans get back in power. You can bet on that. They're not only stupid Goose Steppers,but they're also dishonest partisan assholes. No one should defend this stuff. It doesn't matter whether it's a 'D' or an 'R' doing it. I will never be a loyal Government Goose Stepper. But hey,that's just me.

Oh shut up. Has nothing to do with R or D. It has to do with the FACT that most of these "victims" are in fact not victims. 99% of people wouldn't even know what is an acceptable pat down and what constitutes an abuse. AND 100% of them could have avoided a pat down by walking through the fucking X Ray machine.

by walking through the fucking X Ray machine

That apparently spews an unacceptable amounts of radiation that the TSA just so happened to screwed up the test on, but again that's OK because the manufacture was a major campaign donor to the Obama administration so ya we'll just ignore that fact.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yea i see the Goose Steppers are in 'Blame the Victim' Mode. It's pretty disgraceful. Most of these 'Blame the Victim' assholes will be back to pretending they oppose these abuses when the Republicans get back in power. You can bet on that. They're not only stupid Goose Steppers,but they're also dishonest partisan assholes. No one should defend this stuff. It doesn't matter whether it's a 'D' or an 'R' doing it. I will never be a loyal Government Goose Stepper. But hey,that's just me.

Oh shut up. Has nothing to do with R or D. It has to do with the FACT that most of these "victims" are in fact not victims. 99% of people wouldn't even know what is an acceptable pat down and what constitutes an abuse. AND 100% of them could have avoided a pat down by walking through the fucking X Ray machine.

by walking through the fucking X Ray machine

That apparently spews an unacceptable amounts of radiation that the TSA just so happened to screwed up the test on, but again that's OK because the manufacture was a major campaign donor to the Obama administration so ya we'll just ignore that fact.

Not surprising. If you dig deep enough i'm sure you'll find that GE has a finger in the Scanner-Pie too. GE owns this current President. And how much Taxes does GE pay? GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt their "Jobs Czar?" Ha Ha! What a joke. Yea i wouldn't be surprised if GE has something to do with these Scanners. Oh well,the Goose Steppers rule the day. Hopefully this will change someday. I'm not very optimistic though.

 

[CRStar]

I dont care less about her, but just go look what the TSA employees look like......you know what I'm talking about.

 

[TheBrain]

Yea i see the Goose Steppers are in 'Blame the Victim' Mode. It's pretty disgraceful. Most of these 'Blame the Victim' assholes will be back to pretending they oppose these abuses when the Republicans get back in power. You can bet on that. They're not only stupid Goose Steppers,but they're also dishonest partisan assholes. No one should defend this stuff. It doesn't matter whether it's a 'D' or an 'R' doing it. I will never be a loyal Government Goose Stepper. But hey,that's just me.

Oh shut up. Has nothing to do with R or D. It has to do with the FACT that most of these "victims" are in fact not victims. 99% of people wouldn't even know what is an acceptable pat down and what constitutes an abuse. AND 100% of them could have avoided a pat down by walking through the fucking X Ray machine.

by walking through the fucking X Ray machine

That apparently spews an unacceptable amounts of radiation that the TSA just so happened to screwed up the test on, but again that's OK because the manufacture was a major campaign donor to the Obama administration so ya we'll just ignore that fact.

I did not vote for Obama, I will not vote for him this time. This doesn't prevent me from recognizing that not everything he does is evil, or that not everything wrong in the world is caused by him. That is as true now as it was when Bush was President, and I'm pretty confident that I can reliably conclude that you were against those who blamed EVERYTHING on Bush when he was in office. Would that make you a hypocrite? Probably.

That being said.I don't believe that most people are concerned with X Ray radiation. I think that is just a convenient excuse to cry about.

The solution is simple. Don't fucking fly, To my knowledge, no one HAS to fly. Sure it's convenient, but nowhere in the COTUS are you guaranteed convenience.

 

[TheBrain]

I dont care less about her, but just go look what the TSA employees look like......you know what I'm talking about.

Not only is that poorly written, and in bad taste. It's irrelevant.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

lol! Wait till the Republicans get back in there. These Socialist/Progressive Goose Steppers will immediately declare "Flying is a Human Right" and therefore Civil Liberties must be respected. These people know they're only Goose Stepping on this stuff because their 'D' is in there. So these people can stick their 'Blame the Victim' and "Just don't Fly' Bullshit right up their assholes. You can't only care about Human Rights and Freedom when it's convenient. You have to care about that all the time. Shame on all Government Goose Steppers.

 

[Robert]

Oh shut up. Has nothing to do with R or D. It has to do with the FACT that most of these "victims" are in fact not victims. 99% of people wouldn't even know what is an acceptable pat down and what constitutes an abuse. AND 100% of them could have avoided a pat down by walking through the fucking X Ray machine.

by walking through the fucking X Ray machine

That apparently spews an unacceptable amounts of radiation that the TSA just so happened to screwed up the test on, but again that's OK because the manufacture was a major campaign donor to the Obama administration so ya we'll just ignore that fact.

I did not vote for Obama, I will not vote for him this time. This doesn't prevent me from recognizing that not everything he does is evil, or that not everything wrong in the world is caused by him. That is as true now as it was when Bush was President, and I'm pretty confident that I can reliably conclude that you were against those who blamed EVERYTHING on Bush when he was in office. Would that make you a hypocrite? Probably.

That being said.I don't believe that most people are concerned with X Ray radiation. I think that is just a convenient excuse to cry about.

The solution is simple. Don't fucking fly, To my knowledge, no one HAS to fly. Sure it's convenient, but nowhere in the COTUS are you guaranteed convenience.

I don't really care who you voted for its irrelevant to the topic at hand.

These actions are controlled by our Federal government which are completely inconsistent with the basis of having a free society. We now live in a defacto POLICE STATE what amazes me is to have these flaming asswipes blaming the traveler for doing nothing more then showing up at an airport to fly to a destination. And then to attack her character on the premise she was model she deserved it Hell she caused it. YA GFY.

This entire matter would be completely different if the was probable cause to submit law abiding citizens to these sexual assaults the fact of the matters is there hasn't been probable cause in any of these assaults.

I've ASKED REPEATEDLY what other nation does this to their citizens as well as Providing the Justification for this action to take PLACE TEN FUCKING YEARS AFTER THE FACT.

 

[CRStar]

I dont care less about her, but just go look what the TSA employees look like......you know what I'm talking about.

Not only is that poorly written, and in bad taste. It's irrelevant.

LMFAO You are probably employed by the TSA....Oh my my...I must have hit a nerve....BTW..Sorry about "poorly written" Mr Grammar professor....rather STFU

 

[Valerie]

That apparently spews an unacceptable amounts of radiation that the TSA just so happened to screwed up the test on, but again that's OK because the manufacture was a major campaign donor to the Obama administration so ya we'll just ignore that fact.

I did not vote for Obama, I will not vote for him this time. This doesn't prevent me from recognizing that not everything he does is evil, or that not everything wrong in the world is caused by him. That is as true now as it was when Bush was President, and I'm pretty confident that I can reliably conclude that you were against those who blamed EVERYTHING on Bush when he was in office. Would that make you a hypocrite? Probably.

That being said.I don't believe that most people are concerned with X Ray radiation. I think that is just a convenient excuse to cry about.

The solution is simple. Don't fucking fly, To my knowledge, no one HAS to fly. Sure it's convenient, but nowhere in the COTUS are you guaranteed convenience.

I don't really care who you voted for its irrelevant to the topic at hand.

These actions are controlled by our Federal government which are completely inconsistent with the basis of having a free society. We now live in a defacto POLICE STATE what amazes me is to have these flaming asswipes blaming the traveler for doing nothing more then showing up at an airport to fly to a destination. And then to attack her character on the premise she was model she deserved it Hell she caused it. YA GFY.

This entire matter would be completely different if the was probable cause to submit law abiding citizens to these sexual assaults the fact of the matters is there hasn't been probable cause in any of these assaults.

I've ASKED REPEATEDLY what other nation does this to their citizens as well as Providing the Justification for this action to take PLACE TEN FUCKING YEARS AFTER THE FACT.

Who is judging her based on the fact that she was a model.



You claim the USA is now a "de facto POLICE STATE" based on the claims of a few drama queens at the airport who are being riled up by fear mongers with an agenda...

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I don't really care who you voted for its irrelevant to the topic at hand.

These actions are controlled by our Federal government which are completely inconsistent with the basis of having a free society. We now live in a defacto POLICE STATE what amazes me is to have these flaming asswipes blaming the traveler for doing nothing more then showing up at an airport to fly to a destination. And then to attack her character on the premise she was model she deserved it Hell she caused it. YA GFY.

This entire matter would be completely different if the was probable cause to submit law abiding citizens to these sexual assaults the fact of the matters is there hasn't been probable cause in any of these assaults.

I've ASKED REPEATEDLY what other nation does this to their citizens as well as Providing the Justification for this action to take PLACE TEN FUCKING YEARS AFTER THE FACT.

Who is judging her based on the fact that she was a model.



You claim the USA is now a "de facto POLICE STATE" based on the claims of a few drama queens at the airport who are being riled up by fear mongers with an agenda...

When did he say his claims of a police state are based solely upon the claims of a few people who feel they've been victimized at the airport?

 

[Valerie]

I've ASKED REPEATEDLY what other nation does this to their citizens as well as Providing the Justification for this action to take PLACE TEN FUCKING YEARS AFTER THE FACT.

Would you rather we interrogate people randomly...?

March 23, 2010

President Obama's nominee to head the Transportation Security Administration told Congress on Tuesday he wants U.S. airport security to more closely resemble security at Israeli airports, where officers engage travelers in conversations and questions to determine whether they are a threat to aircraft.

"We should move even closer to an Israeli model where there's more engagement with passengers," Robert Harding told members of the Senate Commerce Committee.

The Israeli system, marked by its aggressive questioning of passengers, is praised by many security experts as one of the most secure in the world. But it also is criticized by some civil rights and privacy advocates because Israeli officials profile passengers, ask intrusive questions and sometimes prevent people from flying.

At Tuesday's confirmation hearing, shortened so senators could attend the president's health care bill signing ceremony, Harding endorsed the use of full-body imagers at airports.

TSA nominee wants to move airport screening closer to 'Israeli model' - CNN

I would object more to aggressive questioning than physical screening.


I really think people should get over it and just go through the scanner if they want to avoid being pat down or questioned further...

 

[Valerie]

I don't really care who you voted for its irrelevant to the topic at hand.

These actions are controlled by our Federal government which are completely inconsistent with the basis of having a free society. We now live in a defacto POLICE STATE what amazes me is to have these flaming asswipes blaming the traveler for doing nothing more then showing up at an airport to fly to a destination. And then to attack her character on the premise she was model she deserved it Hell she caused it. YA GFY.

This entire matter would be completely different if the was probable cause to submit law abiding citizens to these sexual assaults the fact of the matters is there hasn't been probable cause in any of these assaults.

I've ASKED REPEATEDLY what other nation does this to their citizens as well as Providing the Justification for this action to take PLACE TEN FUCKING YEARS AFTER THE FACT.

Who is judging her based on the fact that she was a model.



You claim the USA is now a "de facto POLICE STATE" based on the claims of a few drama queens at the airport who are being riled up by fear mongers with an agenda...

When did he say his claims of a police state are based solely upon the claims of a few people who feel they've been victimized at the airport?

So you agree these alleged airport incidents are certainly not enough to warrant characterizing the USA as a "de facto POLICE STATE" ?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

So you agree these alleged airport incidents are certainly not enough to warrant characterizing the USA as a "de fact POLICE STATE" ?

No, not in of themselves, but those combined with lots of other abuses we're seeing around the country certainly could.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You're not very smart. The very law which set the federal speed limit in fact gave states the choice of setting their own speed limits and not receiving federal funding. So by doing so, they were NOT violating the law. They were in full compliance.

National Maximum Speed Law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now if that caveat had not been allowed under the law and states had done so anyway, they would have been violating the Supremacy Clause.

I understand now, you insist on proving that you chose the name TheBrian because you are just like the mouse in the old cartoon, and Pinky is actually the smart one.

Even when federal law does not give the state a choice they can still ignore it. This is proven every single day, because federal law makes all possession of marijuana a criminal act, and makes possession with the intent to sell or distribute it a felony. None the less, many states allow people to not only possess marijuana for medical purposes, which federal law does not recognize, they can also sell and distribute it.

Federal law takes precedent if their is a direct conflict. If a state law adds to the federal law there is no conflict, and the state law takes precedence. That is why you cannot argue in court that federal law gives a lighter sentence if you rob a bank than state law does, even though both federal and state law applies.

Regardless, nothing actually changes my original statement, no federal law gives anyone the right to break a state law.

You have it backwards

The federal law takes precedence in this case. A state does not have the authority to reduce federal security restrictions on any interstate flight. The federal government has the authority to determine the screening any passenger goes through to use our airways

If Texas reduces security, then those flights have no right to leave the state

Again, for the people that miss the forest for the trees.

No federal law gives anyone the right to break a state law.

That means that, if a TSO breaks a law doing exactly what he was told to do by his supervisor he not only can be arrested, he will be convicted. That was actually established during the Nuremberg trials, I was only following orders is not a defense. Like it or not, no court anywhere will rule differently.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I see you once again avoided the entire speed limit issue which YOU brought up. Wise decision.

As for your marijuana example. IF the USG chose to challenge the state laws , they would be struck down. Believe that. Further, if you are arrested by federal agents in California , for example, for possession of marijuana you would be prosecuted under federal law no matter how much you protested that under California law you were allowed to posses such. The fact that state officials aren't upholding federal law doesn't negate that fact. And in fact if the Attorney General were to take California to court over that, they would force the state's hand. Same as with so called sanctuary cities. They are in violation of federal law. The fact that no one has pursued them doesn't change that.

Really?

Actually, SCOTUS has refused to decide that very issue. That means that, at this point in time, the decisions of the appellate courts are binding, and those give states the power to regulate medical marijuana, even though the federal government says it is illegal.

By the way, the reason the law you think proves me wrong gives the states the right to opt out is that the states ignored the law. They looked foolish for trying to impose a law no one obeyed, or enforced. The last thing a politician wants to do is look foolish, so they changed the law to allow states to opt out.

cannabisnews.com: Supreme Court Action Upholds CA's Medical Pot Law

Actually, you should read the full ruling. The lower courts have never ruled that state law did not have to conform to federal law. What they HAVE ruled is that state LEO do not have to enforce federal law; which is an entirely different ruling. They are merely stating that since the Obama administration has made it clear that they have no intention of going after California over this, that state officials are not required to enforce federal law. SCOTUS has decided to let that decision stand.

Again, if federal agents arrest you in California, you can and will be charged under federal drug laws.

Oh, and the speed limit law was never rewritten, from the very beginning states had the option to opt out .

You should read the ruling. This suit was brought by county governments that said they should not have to obey state law because federal law overruled it and makes marijuana possession a crime. The courts ruled that they do have to follow the law, and SCOTUS refused to here their arguments about it.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Well yes but its ok don't you know the goose steppers are from the guberment and they're here to halp us.

So no matter the abuse its quite alright because they mean well. Hell those 6 year old girls totally setup the fondling by TSA don't you know it really was their fault.

Yea i see the Goose Steppers are in 'Blame the Victim' Mode. It's pretty disgraceful. Most of these 'Blame the Victim' assholes will be back to pretending they oppose these abuses when the Republicans get back in power. You can bet on that. They're not only stupid Goose Steppers,but they're also dishonest partisan assholes. No one should defend this stuff. It doesn't matter whether it's a 'D' or an 'R' doing it. I will never be a loyal Government Goose Stepper. But hey,that's just me.

Oh shut up. Has nothing to do with R or D. It has to do with the FACT that most of these "victims" are in fact not victims. 99% of people wouldn't even know what is an acceptable pat down and what constitutes an abuse. AND 100% of them could have avoided a pat down by walking through the fucking X Ray machine.

Do you like being wrong?

You cannot always avoid a pat down by going through the X-ray machine because most airports do not have the new machines. All airports do have the pat down rules though.

 

[TheBrain]

I understand now, you insist on proving that you chose the name TheBrian because you are just like the mouse in the old cartoon, and Pinky is actually the smart one.

Even when federal law does not give the state a choice they can still ignore it. This is proven every single day, because federal law makes all possession of marijuana a criminal act, and makes possession with the intent to sell or distribute it a felony. None the less, many states allow people to not only possess marijuana for medical purposes, which federal law does not recognize, they can also sell and distribute it.

Federal law takes precedent if their is a direct conflict. If a state law adds to the federal law there is no conflict, and the state law takes precedence. That is why you cannot argue in court that federal law gives a lighter sentence if you rob a bank than state law does, even though both federal and state law applies.

Regardless, nothing actually changes my original statement, no federal law gives anyone the right to break a state law.

You have it backwards

The federal law takes precedence in this case. A state does not have the authority to reduce federal security restrictions on any interstate flight. The federal government has the authority to determine the screening any passenger goes through to use our airways

If Texas reduces security, then those flights have no right to leave the state

Again, for the people that miss the forest for the trees.

No federal law gives anyone the right to break a state law.

That means that, if a TSO breaks a law doing exactly what he was told to do by his supervisor he not only can be arrested, he will be convicted. That was actually established during the Nuremberg trials, I was only following orders is not a defense. Like it or not, no court anywhere will rule differently.

You're a god damned fool. There really is no other way to put it. If you are being patted down at an airport, it is because you CONSENTED to being patted down. Therefor the pat down is not ILLEGAL, and no state law could make patting down someone who has consented to a pat down illegal. Now it is true that someone can abuse their position and purposely fondle someone during these pat downs, but the instances of that being done are few and far between; AND when they DO happen that is because the person doing it is a vile piece of trash, it is not because the policy is bad.

Use this as an analogy. You are pro carrying a concealed weapon, I have gathered from reading your posts. Now let's suppose that someone who has every license to carry a concealed weapon pulls that weapon out and kills a room full of bystanders. Do you now say that because someone abused the right to carry a concealed weapon that we should do away with concealed weapon permits? Or do you say that that person was obviously fucked up and would have found another way to act illegally if they hadn't been able to legally carry a concealed weapon?

 

[TheBrain]

Yea i see the Goose Steppers are in 'Blame the Victim' Mode. It's pretty disgraceful. Most of these 'Blame the Victim' assholes will be back to pretending they oppose these abuses when the Republicans get back in power. You can bet on that. They're not only stupid Goose Steppers,but they're also dishonest partisan assholes. No one should defend this stuff. It doesn't matter whether it's a 'D' or an 'R' doing it. I will never be a loyal Government Goose Stepper. But hey,that's just me.

Oh shut up. Has nothing to do with R or D. It has to do with the FACT that most of these "victims" are in fact not victims. 99% of people wouldn't even know what is an acceptable pat down and what constitutes an abuse. AND 100% of them could have avoided a pat down by walking through the fucking X Ray machine.

Do you like being wrong?

You cannot always avoid a pat down by going through the X-ray machine because most airports do not have the new machines. All airports do have the pat down rules though.

So you're claim is that every airport that does not have the new X ray machines requires every person to be patted down? That's rather odd because I flew just two weeks ago, and in fact the airport I fly out of has the older X rays and the TSA makes do, no pat downs. I'm sure that is the case in most airports that do not yet have the newer X Ray machines.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So you agree these alleged airport incidents are certainly not enough to warrant characterizing the USA as a "de fact POLICE STATE" ?

No, not in of themselves, but those combined with lots of other abuses we're seeing around the country certainly could.

Exactly.