The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Phoenall]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition. Next.

In any case, people claiming to be indigenous must at least have lived in an area for some time. I don't think living in Europe for 2,000 years can make a people indigenous to a place on another continent.

The Palestinians who have ancestry back to the Canaanites, Philistines etc. (as well as to invading Israelites) are thus closest to being indigenous.

And, they were certainly the native inhabitants that the Covenant of the League of Nations referred to.

1. The people who became the Jewish people were one of many warring tribes in the region who largely shared the same culture. The Canaanites became the Jewish people. All the other warring tribes were absorbed into competing cultures and did not survive.

2. There is absolutely no cultural connection between the Arab Muslim "Palestinians" and the Canaanites or the Israelites. None. Zero. The culture of the present day Arab Muslims is the culture of the invading and colonizing peoples. The definition of indigenous depends on pre-invasion cultures.

3. The Jewish people have lived continuously in the territory in question going back thousands of years.


And you don't really want to argue that the displacement or expulsion of part of a group renders the entire group as being non-indigenous and without rights, do you? Because that is going to cause you some serious problems in the discussions about the "Palestinian" RoR.

3. The Jewish people have lived continuously in the territory in question going back thousands of years.​

Not the ones out of Europe.

IRRELEVANT the Jews who lived in Palestine for 4.500 years lived in Palestine for 4,500 years. What don't you understand about that. And when they created Israel they had the right to invite other Jews to migrate there and settle. Just as the arab muslims granted land under the same international treaty ( international law ) also had the right to invite of ban those they wanted to live in their nation. I don't see you or any other of the team Palestine members complaining about the way the arabs treated the Jews between 1917 and 1947 with forced evictions and deportations, beatings and murders.

 

[Phoenall]

A plant that was crushed even in its roots and budded boldly against persecutions of the devil and ultimately became the King of the world in 300 AD and prospered continuously and today is the religion of the Kings and Queens of the world, is being denied by some people. The proof of the tree is in its fruits. The truth is more obvious than the sun in the sky. So no point in wasting our time in arguing. Anyway I have already won my victory. Cheers!

Bye.

Are you going to the jackanory board because you are ridiculed so much on here

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine has been attacked, conquered, and occupied many times. It was also a center for trade. Caravans went through to Asia, Africa, and Europe. Many people came and went.

In the middle of all this there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. Palestine was a multi racial, multi ethnic, multi cultural, multi religious place where there was little animosity between peoples.

These are the People who became Palestinians when Palestine was released from Turkish rule after WWI.

Is that why there are so many cases of attacks on the Jewish and Christian inhabitants over the years. Why the dhimmi laws and pact of Umar were enforced. The muslims ruled with fear and terror those who refused to convert, killing individuals and families on a whim. Stealing their lands once they had done the hard work of getting it fertile and productive. All documented and provable to anyone that bothers to look

All your deflection is meaningless. My post is still true.

 

[Phoenall]

Palestine has been attacked, conquered, and occupied many times. It was also a center for trade. Caravans went through to Asia, Africa, and Europe. Many people came and went.

In the middle of all this there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. Palestine was a multi racial, multi ethnic, multi cultural, multi religious place where there was little animosity between peoples.

These are the People who became Palestinians when Palestine was released from Turkish rule after WWI.

Is that why there are so many cases of attacks on the Jewish and Christian inhabitants over the years. Why the dhimmi laws and pact of Umar were enforced. The muslims ruled with fear and terror those who refused to convert, killing individuals and families on a whim. Stealing their lands once they had done the hard work of getting it fertile and productive. All documented and provable to anyone that bothers to look

All your deflection is meaningless. My post is still true.

What deflection the evidence is there for all to see, all you have is islamonazi propaganda and lies. There have been attacks on the Jews in living memory and you deny these you are so stuck in your ways.


Prove me wrong with unbiased links showing that the Jews and Christians were treated better than the Jews now treat the arab muslims in Israel

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine has been attacked, conquered, and occupied many times. It was also a center for trade. Caravans went through to Asia, Africa, and Europe. Many people came and went.

In the middle of all this there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. Palestine was a multi racial, multi ethnic, multi cultural, multi religious place where there was little animosity between peoples.

These are the People who became Palestinians when Palestine was released from Turkish rule after WWI.

Is that why there are so many cases of attacks on the Jewish and Christian inhabitants over the years. Why the dhimmi laws and pact of Umar were enforced. The muslims ruled with fear and terror those who refused to convert, killing individuals and families on a whim. Stealing their lands once they had done the hard work of getting it fertile and productive. All documented and provable to anyone that bothers to look

All your deflection is meaningless. My post is still true.

What deflection the evidence is there for all to see, all you have is islamonazi propaganda and lies. There have been attacks on the Jews in living memory and you deny these you are so stuck in your ways.


Prove me wrong with unbiased links showing that the Jews and Christians were treated better than the Jews now treat the arab muslims in Israel

How about you list the attacks against the Jews before the Zionist invasion.

 

[Phoenall]

Palestine has been attacked, conquered, and occupied many times. It was also a center for trade. Caravans went through to Asia, Africa, and Europe. Many people came and went.

In the middle of all this there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots. Palestine was a multi racial, multi ethnic, multi cultural, multi religious place where there was little animosity between peoples.

These are the People who became Palestinians when Palestine was released from Turkish rule after WWI.

Is that why there are so many cases of attacks on the Jewish and Christian inhabitants over the years. Why the dhimmi laws and pact of Umar were enforced. The muslims ruled with fear and terror those who refused to convert, killing individuals and families on a whim. Stealing their lands once they had done the hard work of getting it fertile and productive. All documented and provable to anyone that bothers to look

All your deflection is meaningless. My post is still true.

What deflection the evidence is there for all to see, all you have is islamonazi propaganda and lies. There have been attacks on the Jews in living memory and you deny these you are so stuck in your ways.


Prove me wrong with unbiased links showing that the Jews and Christians were treated better than the Jews now treat the arab muslims in Israel

How about you list the attacks against the Jews before the Zionist invasion.

What Zionist invasion, what year did that take place, what was the beachhead and how many fatalities on both sides on that day ?

 

[Vigilante]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nice joke, but this one if funnier.

 

[gt1085]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition. Next.

In any case, people claiming to be indigenous must at least have lived in an area for some time. I don't think living in Europe for 2,000 years can make a people indigenous to a place on another continent.

The Palestinians who have ancestry back to the Canaanites, Philistines etc. (as well as to invading Israelites) are thus closest to being indigenous.

And, they were certainly the native inhabitants that the Covenant of the League of Nations referred to.

1. The people who became the Jewish people were one of many warring tribes in the region who largely shared the same culture. The Canaanites became the Jewish people. All the other warring tribes were absorbed into competing cultures and did not survive.

2. There is absolutely no cultural connection between the Arab Muslim "Palestinians" and the Canaanites or the Israelites. None. Zero. The culture of the present day Arab Muslims is the culture of the invading and colonizing peoples. The definition of indigenous depends on pre-invasion cultures.

3. The Jewish people have lived continuously in the territory in question going back thousands of years.


And you don't really want to argue that the displacement or expulsion of part of a group renders the entire group as being non-indigenous and without rights, do you? Because that is going to cause you some serious problems in the discussions about the "Palestinian" RoR.

The invaders are NOT indigenous to that land

 

[Phoenall]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition. Next.

In any case, people claiming to be indigenous must at least have lived in an area for some time. I don't think living in Europe for 2,000 years can make a people indigenous to a place on another continent.

The Palestinians who have ancestry back to the Canaanites, Philistines etc. (as well as to invading Israelites) are thus closest to being indigenous.

And, they were certainly the native inhabitants that the Covenant of the League of Nations referred to.

1. The people who became the Jewish people were one of many warring tribes in the region who largely shared the same culture. The Canaanites became the Jewish people. All the other warring tribes were absorbed into competing cultures and did not survive.

2. There is absolutely no cultural connection between the Arab Muslim "Palestinians" and the Canaanites or the Israelites. None. Zero. The culture of the present day Arab Muslims is the culture of the invading and colonizing peoples. The definition of indigenous depends on pre-invasion cultures.

3. The Jewish people have lived continuously in the territory in question going back thousands of years.


And you don't really want to argue that the displacement or expulsion of part of a group renders the entire group as being non-indigenous and without rights, do you? Because that is going to cause you some serious problems in the discussions about the "Palestinian" RoR.

The invaders are NOT indigenous to that land

And who do you see as the invaders ?

 

[gt1085]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition. Next.

In any case, people claiming to be indigenous must at least have lived in an area for some time. I don't think living in Europe for 2,000 years can make a people indigenous to a place on another continent.

The Palestinians who have ancestry back to the Canaanites, Philistines etc. (as well as to invading Israelites) are thus closest to being indigenous.

And, they were certainly the native inhabitants that the Covenant of the League of Nations referred to.

1. The people who became the Jewish people were one of many warring tribes in the region who largely shared the same culture. The Canaanites became the Jewish people. All the other warring tribes were absorbed into competing cultures and did not survive.

2. There is absolutely no cultural connection between the Arab Muslim "Palestinians" and the Canaanites or the Israelites. None. Zero. The culture of the present day Arab Muslims is the culture of the invading and colonizing peoples. The definition of indigenous depends on pre-invasion cultures.

3. The Jewish people have lived continuously in the territory in question going back thousands of years.


And you don't really want to argue that the displacement or expulsion of part of a group renders the entire group as being non-indigenous and without rights, do you? Because that is going to cause you some serious problems in the discussions about the "Palestinian" RoR.

The invaders are NOT indigenous to that land

And who do you see as the invaders ?

Well lets think,I don`t think it could be the indigenous people.

 

[Phoenall]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition. Next.

In any case, people claiming to be indigenous must at least have lived in an area for some time. I don't think living in Europe for 2,000 years can make a people indigenous to a place on another continent.

The Palestinians who have ancestry back to the Canaanites, Philistines etc. (as well as to invading Israelites) are thus closest to being indigenous.

And, they were certainly the native inhabitants that the Covenant of the League of Nations referred to.

1. The people who became the Jewish people were one of many warring tribes in the region who largely shared the same culture. The Canaanites became the Jewish people. All the other warring tribes were absorbed into competing cultures and did not survive.

2. There is absolutely no cultural connection between the Arab Muslim "Palestinians" and the Canaanites or the Israelites. None. Zero. The culture of the present day Arab Muslims is the culture of the invading and colonizing peoples. The definition of indigenous depends on pre-invasion cultures.

3. The Jewish people have lived continuously in the territory in question going back thousands of years.


And you don't really want to argue that the displacement or expulsion of part of a group renders the entire group as being non-indigenous and without rights, do you? Because that is going to cause you some serious problems in the discussions about the "Palestinian" RoR.

The invaders are NOT indigenous to that land

And who do you see as the invaders ?

Well lets think,I don`t think it could be the indigenous people.

Then that is the Jews out of the equation then, so it must be the Roman Christians, Greek Christians and arab muslims

 

[gt1085]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition. Next.

In any case, people claiming to be indigenous must at least have lived in an area for some time. I don't think living in Europe for 2,000 years can make a people indigenous to a place on another continent.

The Palestinians who have ancestry back to the Canaanites, Philistines etc. (as well as to invading Israelites) are thus closest to being indigenous.

And, they were certainly the native inhabitants that the Covenant of the League of Nations referred to.

1. The people who became the Jewish people were one of many warring tribes in the region who largely shared the same culture. The Canaanites became the Jewish people. All the other warring tribes were absorbed into competing cultures and did not survive.

2. There is absolutely no cultural connection between the Arab Muslim "Palestinians" and the Canaanites or the Israelites. None. Zero. The culture of the present day Arab Muslims is the culture of the invading and colonizing peoples. The definition of indigenous depends on pre-invasion cultures.

3. The Jewish people have lived continuously in the territory in question going back thousands of years.


And you don't really want to argue that the displacement or expulsion of part of a group renders the entire group as being non-indigenous and without rights, do you? Because that is going to cause you some serious problems in the discussions about the "Palestinian" RoR.

The invaders are NOT indigenous to that land

And who do you see as the invaders ?

Well lets think,I don`t think it could be the indigenous people.

Then that is the Jews out of the equation then, so it must be the Roman Christians, Greek Christians and arab muslims

lol,no Palestinian.
Palestine

 

[Shusha]

lol,no Palestinian.
Palestine

You are going to have to be much more clear if you wish to engage with these ideas on this thread.

Define "Palestine". Define "Palestinian". Define your parameters for the term "indigenous" -- how do you KNOW this person is indigenous and that person is not? What criteria do you USE to define that.

I'll help you out by providing mine (though you can see this clearly enough in the early posts on this thread):

Indigeneity is a term used to describe the oldest, surviving culture which originated in a particular territory prior to invading and colonizing cultures. The purpose of defining indigeneity is to preserve and protect these older, surviving cultures from the invading and colonizing cultures, especially in instances where the older culture is a minority. I am a strong proponent of self-determination and even sovereignty over territory for ALL indigenous cultures.

'Palestine' is the word in common usage to describe the territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean, the sovereignty over which is currently disputed and the source of conflict.

'Palestinian' is the word in common usage to describe the Arab Muslim population of Israel and the disputed territories remaining from the Mandate for Palestine following the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI. It describes an Arab Muslim culture which was transplanted to the territories with the Arab Muslim conquests in the seventh century.

 

[gt1085]

Define "Palestine". Define "Palestinian". How Their both the same.Are you not familiar that all that land and people are dark skinned anyone else are terrorist.

 

[gt1085]

So the Jews the invading and colonizing people (Battle of Jericho and all that) cannot be indigenous by definition. Next.

In any case, people claiming to be indigenous must at least have lived in an area for some time. I don't think living in Europe for 2,000 years can make a people indigenous to a place on another continent.

The Palestinians who have ancestry back to the Canaanites, Philistines etc. (as well as to invading Israelites) are thus closest to being indigenous.

And, they were certainly the native inhabitants that the Covenant of the League of Nations referred to.

1. The people who became the Jewish people were one of many warring tribes in the region who largely shared the same culture. The Canaanites became the Jewish people. All the other warring tribes were absorbed into competing cultures and did not survive.

2. There is absolutely no cultural connection between the Arab Muslim "Palestinians" and the Canaanites or the Israelites. None. Zero. The culture of the present day Arab Muslims is the culture of the invading and colonizing peoples. The definition of indigenous depends on pre-invasion cultures.

3. The Jewish people have lived continuously in the territory in question going back thousands of years.


And you don't really want to argue that the displacement or expulsion of part of a group renders the entire group as being non-indigenous and without rights, do you? Because that is going to cause you some serious problems in the discussions about the "Palestinian" RoR.

The invaders are NOT indigenous to that land

And who do you see as the invaders ?

Well lets think,I don`t think it could be the indigenous people.

Then that is the Jews out of the equation then, so it must be the Roman Christians, Greek Christians and arab muslims

The Jew-ish which is a none people.

 

[Shusha]

Define "Palestine". Define "Palestinian". How Their both the same.Are you not familiar that all that land and people are dark skinned ...

Ah. Sovereignty should be based on skin color. So standard old-fashioned racism then.

 

[gt1085]

Define "Palestine". Define "Palestinian". How Their both the same.Are you not familiar that all that land and people are dark skinned ...

Ah. Sovereignty should be based on skin color. So standard old-fashioned racism then.

don`t really have too that`s already known.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Jews and their ancestors have been in the Holy Land for almost 3,500 years.

There have always been Jews in Palestine.

 

[gt1085]

The Jews and their ancestors have been in the Holy Land for almost 3,500 years.

There have always been Jews in Palestine.

those there now are jew-ish fake Jew,Those scums there are khazarians,Which again is not a people.