The Official Discussion Thread for who is considered indiginous to Palestine?

[Phoenall]

Not the ones out of Europe.

But you seem to fail to grasp the concept that you are supporting here, and, worse, failing to apply it universally. You are, in effect, saying that if an invading and colonizing force successfully expels or displaces part of a people then that part of the people are excluded from rights to return, to self-determine and to be considered part of the same group which avoided expulsion.

And that puts some of your other arguments in serious jeopardy.

European adhereants to Judaism were not expelled. This is a myth. There were Judeans living throughout the Roman Empire, either as individuals or in groups; some of these Judeans may well have practiced Monotheism. if anything Judaism in Judea itself was all but exterminated by the Romans as Josephus mentions most of the Jewish (religious) population of Judea had come to Jerusalem for a festival when the Romans besieged the city. The inhabitants either starved, were slaughtered or sold off as slaves when the city fell. Whatever recovery the Jewish (religious) population might have made was snuffed out after the Bar Kokhba revolt when the Romans went on a systematic campaign of extermination in Judea. Those who survived were non-Jewish Judeans; Judaism only survived as a religious cult because so many Judeans lived outside Judea and obtained converts from North africa and Europe.

Then explain what happened to the Jews taken by the Romans as slaves back to Europe, as that is where most of the European Jews came from.

 

[Phoenall]

Not the ones out of Europe.

But you seem to fail to grasp the concept that you are supporting here, and, worse, failing to apply it universally. You are, in effect, saying that if an invading and colonizing force successfully expels or displaces part of a people then that part of the people are excluded from rights to return, to self-determine and to be considered part of the same group which avoided expulsion.

And that puts some of your other arguments in serious jeopardy.

Especially if the allegedly expelled part of the people have little or no familial connection to the said expelled part of the people. Converting to a religion does not change one's DNA.

DNA is NOT the basis for being indigenous. Culture is. Invading and colonizing cultures are specifically excluded from the definition of indigenous.

Which "culture" is that? Sehpardic? Yiddish?

Arab muslim and neo marxist

 

[gt1085]

Speaking on racism caucasians cannot be beat with all the people on the planet.You know better than i should hope so.Every where you go have gone you take your racism with you.Fact.

Racism is endemic in all races and cultures as mankind always has to be the best. Now telling the truth is seen as racism when it tells the truth about a group. For example saying that muslims are semi literate evil mass murderers is not racist as it is based on proven evidence.

In Your Statement here Remove Muslims.Put In christian, that Belong There.evil mass murderers , racist,rapist, as it is based on proven evidence.

No as it would be racism based on LIES. The evidence shows that muslims have always been semu literate evil mass murderers with a tally close to 50 million murdered innocent in the last century +/- 15 years

No,That`s a lie.christians have killed 100 Million,which is 1 Billion murdered innocent people,No worries That Record Will Not Be Beat By Anyone.Point Blank.Sorry.

Maybe over the last 10 millennia. but in recorded history of the last 100 years the list of murderers starts with the muslims, then the communists/Marxists, the Africans, the Catholics and finally the rest of humanity

you can who,if you want,fact is still states statistically,remains that the caucaians hold that record Bar None That Is.Claiming christians,lol and a bunch of shit,But keep Tinkering.

 

[gt1085]

Speaking on racism caucasians cannot be beat with all the people on the planet.You know better than i should hope so.Every where you go have gone you take your racism with you.Fact.

Racism is endemic in all races and cultures as mankind always has to be the best. Now telling the truth is seen as racism when it tells the truth about a group. For example saying that muslims are semi literate evil mass murderers is not racist as it is based on proven evidence.

In Your Statement here Remove Muslims.Put In christian, that Belong There.evil mass murderers , racist,rapist, as it is based on proven evidence.

No as it would be racism based on LIES. The evidence shows that muslims have always been semu literate evil mass murderers with a tally close to 50 million murdered innocent in the last century +/- 15 years

Sorry,But Facts or Facts,Over 400 yrs Caucasians have killed more than a Billion people.Facts.

EVIDENCE as your word alone is not good enough

That`s okay you feel that way,You are unlearned about the hold of the subject with only hear say.You dont have to answer back,i fully understand your condition.

 

[Challenger]

Interesting Christian take on who is indigenous,

"The number one biblical verse used by Zionist Jews and Zionist Christians alike to justify dispossessing the Palestinians of their land is this one:

“On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates….” Genesis 15:18

By descendants God definitely meant the same biological bloodline, the same DNA, actual grandchildren of Abram/Abraham. Not spiritual progeny. As even a cursory study would show, those today who are known as Jews are not remotely bloodline descendants of Abraham." Are Jews the Israelites of the Bible?

 

[abu afak]

Interesting Christian take on who is indigenous,....
Are Jews the Israelites of the Bible?

'BiblicismInstitute' is a Raging anti-semitic website.
No surprise used by Your illk.
As always, one should just go to the home page:
Biblicism Institute

"Headline: Jewish Deception"

"Kosher Food=Scam"

etc, More FILTH, etc.​

Of course, that could easily have been discerned without even going to the home page.
You're one of THEE worst/most thinly veiled 'anti-cough-zionists' I've ever seen.
Only SCUM would use a website like this.
`

 

[Shusha]

There can be no self-determination without self-identification. A peoples who are denied the right to choose who is and who is not part of their people, using their own criteria, has no self-determination.

 

[gt1085]

Interesting Christian take on who is indigenous,....
Are Jews the Israelites of the Bible?

'BiblicismInstitute' is a Raging anti-semitic website.
No surprise used by Your illk.
As always, one should just go to the home page:
Biblicism Institute

"Headline: Jewish Deception"

"Kosher Food=Scam"

etc, More FILTH, etc.​

Of course, that could easily have been discerned without even going to the home page.
You're one of THEE worst/most thinly veiled 'anti-cough-zionists' I've ever seen.
Only SCUM would use a website like this.
`

No such thing as a white Jew.

 

[montelatici]

There can be no self-determination without self-identification. A peoples who are denied the right to choose who is and who is not part of their people, using their own criteria, has no self-determination.

Bullshit.

 

[gt1085]

There can be no self-determination without self-identification. A peoples who are denied the right to choose who is and who is not part of their people, using their own criteria, has no self-determination.

Bullshit.

i have a strong determination No doubt and do know all people are not the same and i have a say so.

 

[Shusha]

There can be no self-determination without self-identification. A peoples who are denied the right to choose who is and who is not part of their people, using their own criteria, has no self-determination.

Bullshit.

Really? So the Jewish people get to choose who is and who is not a Palestinian?

 

[gt1085]

There can be no self-determination without self-identification. A peoples who are denied the right to choose who is and who is not part of their people, using their own criteria, has no self-determination.

Bullshit.

Really? So the Jewish people get to choose who is and who is not a Palestinian?

Well actually they are in charge,everyone seems to think they are the chosen people and in fact are not,but the synagogue of satan worshipers

 

[Hossfly]

There can be no self-determination without self-identification. A peoples who are denied the right to choose who is and who is not part of their people, using their own criteria, has no self-determination.

Bullshit.

Really? So the Jewish people get to choose who is and who is not a Palestinian?

Well actually they are in charge,everyone seems to think they are the chosen people and in fact are not,but the synagogue of satan worshipers

The latest news is that Satan is hiding out and designing clothes for Melanin Apparel and wants you to give him a raise. He's been working his tail off for you.

 

[gt1085]

There can be no self-determination without self-identification. A peoples who are denied the right to choose who is and who is not part of their people, using their own criteria, has no self-determination.

Bullshit.

Really? So the Jewish people get to choose who is and who is not a Palestinian?

Well actually they are in charge,everyone seems to think they are the chosen people and in fact are not,but the synagogue of satan worshipers

The latest news is that Satan is hiding out and designing clothes for Melanin Apparel and wants you to give him a raise. He's been working his tail off for you.

But you got your raise.

 

[Shusha]

....,but the synagogue of satan worshipers

Seriously, you would think after all these thousands of years humanity would have gotten over accusing people of being "satan worshippers" and taking that literally. So much more work to do....

 

[Hossfly]

There can be no self-determination without self-identification. A peoples who are denied the right to choose who is and who is not part of their people, using their own criteria, has no self-determination.

Bullshit.

Really? So the Jewish people get to choose who is and who is not a Palestinian?

Well actually they are in charge,everyone seems to think they are the chosen people and in fact are not,but the synagogue of satan worshipers

The latest news is that Satan is hiding out and designing clothes for Melanin Apparel and wants you to give him a raise. He's been working his tail off for you.

But you got your raise.

Do you think I would work at your apparel company alongside the Devil? What you are showing, employer of the Devil, is that you have been busy reading the hate sites.

I am beginning to think this poster is actually Louie Farrakhan's assistant at the Nation of Islam.

 

[gt1085]

Bullshit.

Really? So the Jewish people get to choose who is and who is not a Palestinian?

Well actually they are in charge,everyone seems to think they are the chosen people and in fact are not,but the synagogue of satan worshipers

The latest news is that Satan is hiding out and designing clothes for Melanin Apparel and wants you to give him a raise. He's been working his tail off for you.

But you got your raise.

Do you think I would work at your apparel company alongside the Devil? What you are showing, employer of the Devil, is that you have been busy reading the hate sites.

I am beginning to think this poster is actually Louie Farrakhan's assistant at the Nation of Islam.

yes,okay.

 

[gt1085]

....,but the synagogue of satan worshipers

Seriously, you would think after all these thousands of years humanity would have gotten over accusing people of being "satan worshippers" and taking that literally. So much more work to do....

you know it.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[yiostheoy]

This thread is being set up to prevent our second most common thread derailment (after the Mandate) - please discuss the ancient history of the peoples in the Palestine area here.

The Philistines who later became called Palestinians got there right about the same time as the ancient Hebrews from Egypt, as far as we can tell from ancient sources.

The ancient Egyptians are the primary source for the Philistines.

And Josephus Flavius the Jewish general and Roman historian is the primary source for the Hebrews.

So as far as who got there first, they got there about the same time.

The land which the Hebrews conquered was NOT Philistine land, it was Canaanite land.

After the Romans expelled the Jews from Judea and Galilee, the Philistines moved into the land. But the land was not for rent or for sale. It was depopulated by the Romans.

As to whom the land belongs to now, let them fight over it fair and square.

There won't be peace in this land until one of these two groups is all dead.