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I wouldn't. I would, however, size up My environment and take appropriate security measures.I'd lock my doors if one of these thugs was walking up.Half the murders in this country are done by blacks.
Interesting that four jurors have distanced themselves from her comments. You would think they'd support her point of view, but they don't, so that makes me wonder a little...
Why do you think they would support her? I listened to her for 30 seconds and knew she was the lone holdout for a guilty verdict when they asked the judge for clarification on the manslaughter charge. She admitted the only reason she didn't find Zimmerman guilty is that she was forced to actually follow the law. Like you, she would have been happy to ignore the law and send him to prison for life just because he killed a black teenager. You should be defending her, yet you want to throw her under the bus in an attempt to get the verdict overturned.
Newsflash, even if the government proved that Zimmerman bribed the jury to get the not guilty verdict they cannot charge him with murder again. You really should stop listening to the idiots that think she lied in favor of Zimmerman.
If you ask me, Trayvon had every right to kick the shit out of the racist punk who was stalking him.
You do realize that Zimmerman volunteered to do neighborhood watch for the community, right.
And how many black youths were arrested as a result of his multiple 911 calls?
But Juror B37 claims that SYG was a factor in their final verdict! How is that allowed to happen?
CNN.com - TranscriptsCOOPER: Did you feel like you understood the instructions from the judge? Because they were very complex. I mean, reading them, they were tough to follow.
JUROR: Right. And that was our problem. I mean, it was just so confusing what -- with what and what we could apply to what. Because I mean, there was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something. And after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way -- other place to go.
COOPER: Because of the only, the two options you had, second degree murder or manslaughter, you felt neither applied?
JUROR: Right. Well, because of the heat of the moment and the stand your ground. He had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right.
The idiot rdean actually believes a persons face must reach a predetermined level of damage before they are allowed to defend themselves from street thugs who are assaulting them. This is why the idiot rdean is complete f-in moron.
But Juror B37 claims that SYG was a factor in their final verdict! How is that allowed to happen?
Read what she said in context.
CNN.com - TranscriptsCOOPER: Did you feel like you understood the instructions from the judge? Because they were very complex. I mean, reading them, they were tough to follow.
JUROR: Right. And that was our problem. I mean, it was just so confusing what -- with what and what we could apply to what. Because I mean, there was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something. And after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way -- other place to go.
COOPER: Because of the only, the two options you had, second degree murder or manslaughter, you felt neither applied?
JUROR: Right. Well, because of the heat of the moment and the stand your ground. He had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right.
But Juror B37 claims that SYG was a factor in their final verdict! How is that allowed to happen?
Read what she said in context.
CNN.com - TranscriptsCOOPER: Did you feel like you understood the instructions from the judge? Because they were very complex. I mean, reading them, they were tough to follow.
JUROR: Right. And that was our problem. I mean, it was just so confusing what -- with what and what we could apply to what. Because I mean, there was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something. And after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way -- other place to go.
COOPER: Because of the only, the two options you had, second degree murder or manslaughter, you felt neither applied?
JUROR: Right. Well, because of the heat of the moment and the stand your ground. He had a right to defend himself. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right.
She mentioned 'SYG' when it wasn't used as a defense. Maybe she didn't mean it the way it came out, but it doesn't make her look good.
DETAILS (w/Supporting Links): Actually, Stand Your Ground Played a Major Role in the Trayvon Martin Case | Mother Jones - By Mark Follman and Lauren WilliamsFrom the pull of the trigger to the not-guilty verdict, here's how the controversial self-defense law mattered.
Since George Zimmerman was acquitted in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, conservatives have argued that Stand Your Ground, Florida's expansive and controversial self-defense law, was irrelevant to the case. After all, Zimmerman waived his right to a pretrial hearing that might have granted him immunity under the statute, and his defense team chose not to raise it during the trial. Case closed, right?
This argument might make sense if, say, you didn't pay attention to the details of the case until a few days ago. In reality, Stand Your Ground played a major role, from Martin's death to Zimmerman's acquittal. Here's how:
An armed Zimmerman knew about Stand Your Ground years ago:
How Florida authorities let Zimmerman walk:
The jury instructionsand a reason for their verdict:
Why didn't Zimmerman's defense team use Stand Your Ground?
The jury instructions (page 12) and comments from juror B37 clearly show the role that Stand Your Ground played in the verdict.
I haven't read your post yet, but I am 100% sure that when I do I will find that you said something incredibly stupid.
DETAILS (w/Supporting Links): Actually, Stand Your Ground Played a Major Role in the Trayvon Martin Case | Mother Jones - By Mark Follman and Lauren WilliamsFrom the pull of the trigger to the not-guilty verdict, here's how the controversial self-defense law mattered.
Since George Zimmerman was acquitted in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, conservatives have argued that Stand Your Ground, Florida's expansive and controversial self-defense law, was irrelevant to the case. After all, Zimmerman waived his right to a pretrial hearing that might have granted him immunity under the statute, and his defense team chose not to raise it during the trial. Case closed, right?
This argument might make sense if, say, you didn't pay attention to the details of the case until a few days ago. In reality, Stand Your Ground played a major role, from Martin's death to Zimmerman's acquittal. Here's how:
An armed Zimmerman knew about Stand Your Ground years ago:
How Florida authorities let Zimmerman walk:
The jury instructionsand a reason for their verdict:
Why didn't Zimmerman's defense team use Stand Your Ground?
The jury instructions (page 12) and comments from juror B37 clearly show the role that Stand Your Ground played in the verdict.
Damn, I was right, what s surprise.
How does a guy who is on his back with someone on top of him beating the crap out of him run away?
She mentioned 'SYG' when it wasn't used as a defense. Maybe she didn't mean it the way it came out, but it doesn't make her look good.
She used SYG in an interview...she didn't say the jury deliberated on it. A jury can only deliberate on the charges that are put in from of them.
It's almost like her saying : JUROR: Right. Well, because of the heat of the moment and the jay-walking. He had a right to cross the street. If he felt threatened that his life was going to be taken away from him or he was going to have bodily harm, he had a right to jay-walk to cross the street.
DETAILS (w/Supporting Links): Actually, Stand Your Ground Played a Major Role in the Trayvon Martin Case | Mother Jones - By Mark Follman and Lauren WilliamsFrom the pull of the trigger to the not-guilty verdict, here's how the controversial self-defense law mattered.
Since George Zimmerman was acquitted in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, conservatives have argued that Stand Your Ground, Florida's expansive and controversial self-defense law, was irrelevant to the case. After all, Zimmerman waived his right to a pretrial hearing that might have granted him immunity under the statute, and his defense team chose not to raise it during the trial. Case closed, right?
This argument might make sense if, say, you didn't pay attention to the details of the case until a few days ago. In reality, Stand Your Ground played a major role, from Martin's death to Zimmerman's acquittal. Here's how:
An armed Zimmerman knew about Stand Your Ground years ago:
How Florida authorities let Zimmerman walk:
The jury instructionsand a reason for their verdict:
Why didn't Zimmerman's defense team use Stand Your Ground?
The jury instructions (page 12) and comments from juror B37 clearly show the role that Stand Your Ground played in the verdict.
Juror B37 admitted that they used the SYD defense as a basis for their verdict - you cannot use such a law in making a decision when the defense never used SYG as a reason for the shooting.
The verdict should be overturned and a new trial ordered.
It is not a civil rights violation unless he was acting racist when he pulled the trigger.
He was only racist when he was stalking, following, confronting Trayvon. The gunshot was just because he was a pussy who was getting beat up by a kid.
But the civil trial, now, that's gonna be a huge win for Trayvon's parents. And GZ will be forced to testify.
I understand what you are saying. It would be nice if she could actually explain herself further, though.
The trial may be over, but the jury used SYD as the basis for their not guilty verdict, which was wrong.
No they did not. Stand your ground is a doctrine that applies in all self defense cases. It does not mean they applied the SYG law as written in Florida in fact if it was applied there would have been no trial as he would have been released.
You lost get over it.
The defense didn't use SYG as their defense though. Juror B37 admits that the jury reached their decision by using SYG.
How is it right to use a defense that was never raised as a defense?
I realise that I don't live in your country, and we don't have SYG laws here, but I find it rather perplexing that the jury could use a defense that was never used as a defense.
ooo a frank thread where he cries about impeachment that will never happen.
I haven't read your post yet, but I am 100% sure that when I do I will find that you said something incredibly stupid.
DETAILS (w/Supporting Links): Actually, Stand Your Ground Played a Major Role in the Trayvon Martin Case | Mother Jones - By Mark Follman and Lauren Williams
The jury instructions (page 12) and comments from juror B37 clearly show the role that Stand Your Ground played in the verdict.
Damn, I was right, what s surprise.
How does a guy who is on his back with someone on top of him beating the crap out of him run away?
Looking at the pictures of Zimmerman's slightly cut head, do you honestly believe that he had the 'crap' beaten out of him?
Don't be ridiculous.
Everyone else who testified as to whose voice it was had skin in the game EXCEPT Goode. He wasn't a friend of Trayvon or George...he wasn't related to Trayvon or George. He was the only witness that was close enough to witness the fight. He was the only one who was close enough to identify who was on top and who was on the bottom.
Goode's testimony that Zimmerman was on the bottom and yelling for help isn't going by "voice recognition"...that's everyone ELSE! He's basing his testimony on what he's SEEING as well as hearing.
My original point was that only Zimmerman knows for sure and again was given the opportunity to officially identify who it was and didn't.
The strength of Good's testimony is that he could identify forms in the dark. When it comes to screaming, that strength disappears.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsdLMBUvhAM]John Good FULL Testimony. George Zimmerman Trial - YouTube[/ame]
@19:35 when asked by prosecutor, "As you are turning around, I guess, and going back inside your residence, I shouldn't say turning around, I should say just putting your foot back inside your residence, are you hearing any screams or yells of help from outside there"? Good answers, "My adrenaline was going, I can't remember."
He can't even remember if ANYONE was screaming.
You are confusing his identifying the person in the prone position as obviously yelling "Help, help, help" with the screaming that we have been discussing. The yelling of "Help" was not heard clearly or heard at all on the 911 tape.
If you go back and look at that tape you'll find him remembering that someone was screaming at 17:25, 19:10, 22:49, 36:02, 53:22 and 99:00 of his testimony. What you "say" is his not being able to remember if anyone was screaming if for the period of time when he went from the outside back inside to make the 9/11 call...a time when he said he couldn't remember hearing screams because he was focused on making the call.
As for "Help" not being heard at all on the 9/11 tape? Good makes that call AFTER the shot was fired. The cries for help that were so clearly audible on the Lauer 9/11 call were no longer taking place because Trayvon Martin was no longer beating George Zimmerman.
Interesting that four jurors have distanced themselves from her comments. You would think they'd support her point of view, but they don't, so that makes me wonder a little...
Why do you think they would support her? I listened to her for 30 seconds and knew she was the lone holdout for a guilty verdict when they asked the judge for clarification on the manslaughter charge. She admitted the only reason she didn't find Zimmerman guilty is that she was forced to actually follow the law. Like you, she would have been happy to ignore the law and send him to prison for life just because he killed a black teenager. You should be defending her, yet you want to throw her under the bus in an attempt to get the verdict overturned.
Newsflash, even if the government proved that Zimmerman bribed the jury to get the not guilty verdict they cannot charge him with murder again. You really should stop listening to the idiots that think she lied in favor of Zimmerman.
I think she had an ulterior motive.
He's the recipient of that middle finger in your avatarAs a White Hispanic, the one thing Obama can do to raise awareness of the whole Travyon thing and to keep it in the news is to resign the Presidency.
At best he's headed for impeachment and at worst we're headed the way of Egypt which just ousted its scumbag Muslim Brotherhood leader.
Obama, for Travyon, Resign
Who's with me?
Who is Travyon?
