The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

What are your Initial Thoughts on the Guilt or Innocence of George Zimmerman?


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Where are you finding all of these Trayvon fight videos?????
 
Screaming because there is no evidence of the alternative. If there was, do you think you're the ONLY one who knows about it? If there was a shred of evidence supporting what you're supposing don't you think the prosecution would have presented it? Just. Be. Real.

There is no dispute TM started the fight. The prosecution even thinks TM started the fight. There star witness Rachel Jeantel said TM started the fight.

There is also no dispute that GZ did not flash his gun threaten or threaten TM with it starting the fight.

SlowShitCrupon is to stupid for rational discussion.

Jeantel said in an interview after the trial, speaking on her gut feeling that Trayvon started. There is no true indication of who started the fight. Zimmerman lovers know this but since they have very little to prop up their idol with, they have to make their speculation look like fact. It's pathetic when done repeatedly.

Now you are simply projecting.

Immie
 
Juror says Zimmerman 'got away with murder'

William M. Welch, USA TODAY 5:25 p.m. EDT July 25, 2013

The lone minority member of the jury that acquitted George Zimmerman says Zimmerman "got away with murder" in the killing of teenager Trayvon Martin.

In an interview with ABC News scheduled to air Thursday evening, the woman identified as Juror B29 said she feels she owes an apology to Trayvon's parents over the verdict that touched off protest demonstrations around the country.

The juror said the six-member, all-female jury followed Florida law and found the evidence did not warrant a murder conviction.

"You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty,'' said the juror.

She declined to be identified by her full name and was referred to in the interview as "Maddy." She allowed her face to be shown in the interviews to air on World News and Friday on Good Morning America.

She was interviewed by GMA anchor Robin Roberts.

The identities of the jurors were sealed by the Florida court and have not yet been made public. ABC News said she did not allow her full name to be used out of concern for her safety.

She was described as a 36-year-old nursing assistant and mother of eight children. A Puerto Rican, she had moved to Seminole County, Fla., from Chicago only five months before her selection to the jury.

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Juror says Zimmerman 'got away with murder'
 
Juror says Zimmerman 'got away with murder'

William M. Welch, USA TODAY 5:25 p.m. EDT July 25, 2013

The lone minority member of the jury that acquitted George Zimmerman says Zimmerman "got away with murder" in the killing of teenager Trayvon Martin.

In an interview with ABC News scheduled to air Thursday evening, the woman identified as Juror B29 said she feels she owes an apology to Trayvon's parents over the verdict that touched off protest demonstrations around the country.

The juror said the six-member, all-female jury followed Florida law and found the evidence did not warrant a murder conviction.

"You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty,'' said the juror.

She declined to be identified by her full name and was referred to in the interview as "Maddy." She allowed her face to be shown in the interviews to air on World News and Friday on Good Morning America.

She was interviewed by GMA anchor Robin Roberts.

The identities of the jurors were sealed by the Florida court and have not yet been made public. ABC News said she did not allow her full name to be used out of concern for her safety.

She was described as a 36-year-old nursing assistant and mother of eight children. A Puerto Rican, she had moved to Seminole County, Fla., from Chicago only five months before her selection to the jury.

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Juror says Zimmerman 'got away with murder'

If she was that convinced it was murder, she should have held out, caused a hung jury, and given the state a do-over.

But she didn't, so I think she's only prattling on about this to spur her future book sales.
 
There is no dispute TM started the fight. The prosecution even thinks TM started the fight. There star witness Rachel Jeantel said TM started the fight.

There is also no dispute that GZ did not flash his gun threaten or threaten TM with it starting the fight.

SlowShitCrupon is to stupid for rational discussion.

Jeantel said in an interview after the trial, speaking on her gut feeling that Trayvon started. There is no true indication of who started the fight. Zimmerman lovers know this but since they have very little to prop up their idol with, they have to make their speculation look like fact. It's pathetic when done repeatedly.

Now you are simply projecting.

Immie

I correct your error, and I'M "projecting." :badgrin:
 
NO, respectfully, there is never any testimony at trial without cross examination.
The interviews are not testimony and the Judge charged the jury on that.
But read my post again, it helped Zimmerman because there was nothing to dispute it.
And no offense, nothing clever about any of that. They knew ahead of time that the prosecution was entering into evidence the interviews. That is done all the time and has to be. Nothing about being hard up for evidence. ALL statements and interviews are entered into evidence. Nothing about taking any bait, that is standard procedure.
The interviews are not testimony and the Judge charged the jury on that.
Not putting Zimmerman on the stand is a different matter and no one thought they would do that after hearing and seeing the way the case went. That was a good move.

NO, respectfully, there is never any testimony at trial without cross examination.

there didnt need to be

the state made zimmermans self serving hearsay evidence actual evidence

in which the jury got the chance to "hear from George" with the safety

of not having to be cross examined

it was a huge blunder by the state offering the fox news interview

Not disagreeing but that was not any slick move by the defense as they knew ahead of time the interviews were going in.
The state always has to provide the defense everything they are putting in evidence before the trial starts.
Called DISCOVERY and everyone knew the interviews were going in.
The defense could have put up the Fox interview.
Again, respectfully, the interviews were not what the defense had to defend against and really offered nothing for the prosecution.
A jury looks at what THE STATE has and NOT what the defendant says as he has to prove nothing.
But they did NOT hurt him at all and DID get in without cross examination everything they wanted anyway.
However, O'Mara did not want Zimmerman giving ANY interviews. Zimmerman was a damn fool for doing that.

Not disagreeing but that was not any slick move by the defense as they knew ahead of time the interviews were going in.
The state always has to provide the defense everything they are putting in evidence before the trial starts.




the smart move was to do the interview (on fox)knowing that the state would jump on it

and present it in court

zimmerman could not present the self serving hearsay evidence into court

but the state could and did
 
Juror says Zimmerman 'got away with murder'

William M. Welch, USA TODAY 5:25 p.m. EDT July 25, 2013

The lone minority member of the jury that acquitted George Zimmerman says Zimmerman "got away with murder" in the killing of teenager Trayvon Martin.

In an interview with ABC News scheduled to air Thursday evening, the woman identified as Juror B29 said she feels she owes an apology to Trayvon's parents over the verdict that touched off protest demonstrations around the country.

The juror said the six-member, all-female jury followed Florida law and found the evidence did not warrant a murder conviction.

"You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty,'' said the juror.

She declined to be identified by her full name and was referred to in the interview as "Maddy." She allowed her face to be shown in the interviews to air on World News and Friday on Good Morning America.

She was interviewed by GMA anchor Robin Roberts.

The identities of the jurors were sealed by the Florida court and have not yet been made public. ABC News said she did not allow her full name to be used out of concern for her safety.

She was described as a 36-year-old nursing assistant and mother of eight children. A Puerto Rican, she had moved to Seminole County, Fla., from Chicago only five months before her selection to the jury.

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Juror says Zimmerman 'got away with murder'

If she was that convinced it was murder, she should have held out, caused a hung jury, and given the state a do-over.

But she didn't, so I think she's only prattling on about this to spur her future book sales.

So she decided to call up GMA so that she could make a confession on a national network?
 

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I suspect the prosecution got the verdict they were shooting for.

No, they got the verdict the EVIDENCE revealed.
You need evidence to convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt.
And nothing that the media spun before the trial was true. They knew that going into the trial.
That was why everyone was so upset with the verdict. They believed what the media told them.

More to it than that. If the prosecution had gone for involuntary manslaughter based on negligence they probably would have put GZ away for a few years. They overshot. They ignored the advice of the investigation team. They let politics define the charges.

They got the verdict they were shooting for, because they knew he was not guilty of charges they charged him with.

involuntary manslaughter based on negligence they probably would have put GZ away for a few years

nope i do not believe so

from the jury instructions

MANSLAUGHTER
To prove the crime of Manslaughter, the State must prove the following two elements
beyond a reasonable doubt:
1. Trayvon Martin is dead.
2. George Zimmerman intentionally committed an act or acts that caused the
death of Trayvon Martin.
George Zimmerman cannot be guilty of manslaughter by committing a merely negligent
act or if the killing was either justifiable or excusable homicide:
Each of us has a duty to act reasonably toward others. If there is a violation of that
duty, without any conscious intention to harm, that violation is negligence
 
Juror says Zimmerman 'got away with murder'

William M. Welch, USA TODAY 5:25 p.m. EDT July 25, 2013

The lone minority member of the jury that acquitted George Zimmerman says Zimmerman "got away with murder" in the killing of teenager Trayvon Martin.

In an interview with ABC News scheduled to air Thursday evening, the woman identified as Juror B29 said she feels she owes an apology to Trayvon's parents over the verdict that touched off protest demonstrations around the country.

The juror said the six-member, all-female jury followed Florida law and found the evidence did not warrant a murder conviction.

"You can't put the man in jail even though in our hearts we felt he was guilty,'' said the juror.

She declined to be identified by her full name and was referred to in the interview as "Maddy." She allowed her face to be shown in the interviews to air on World News and Friday on Good Morning America.

She was interviewed by GMA anchor Robin Roberts.

The identities of the jurors were sealed by the Florida court and have not yet been made public. ABC News said she did not allow her full name to be used out of concern for her safety.

She was described as a 36-year-old nursing assistant and mother of eight children. A Puerto Rican, she had moved to Seminole County, Fla., from Chicago only five months before her selection to the jury.

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Juror says Zimmerman 'got away with murder'

If she was that convinced it was murder, she should have held out, caused a hung jury, and given the state a do-over.

But she didn't, so I think she's only prattling on about this to spur her future book sales.

So she decided to call up GMA so that she could make a confession on a national network?

This happens all the time. Juries can't convict because of the way the law is written, but they know the accused is not 'innocent,' just not guilty of the specific crime with which they are charged according to how to the law is written. Polls show that the majority of Americans believe he is guilty of something and would have convicted him of manslaughter. He is not an innocent man, not a hero, not to thinking, reasonable Americans.
 
you are driving down the highway and you make a lane change and don't use a directional. I feel you cut me off, so at the next light I get out of my car and start to beat the shit out of you. you have a gun and shoot me. Did you murder me?

nope keep your hands to yourself
 
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