The Sound Of Settled Science: Webb Telescope Edition

[Weatherman2020]

The Webb Telescope is finding old stars in the young universe.

Oops.

Chalk another one up to manmade computer models.

NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) confirmed that luminous, very red objects previously detected in the early universe challenge established ideas about the origins and evolution of galaxies and their supermassive black holes.

Led by researchers from Penn State and utilizing the NIRSpec instrument on JWST as part of the RUBIES survey, the international team identified three enigmatic objects dating back to 600-800 million years after the Big Bang, a time when the universe was just 5% of its current age. They announced the discovery on June 27 in the journal Astrophysical Journal Letters.

The scientists analyzed spectral measurements, or intensity of different wavelengths of light emitted from the objects. Their analysis found signatures of “old” stars, hundreds of millions of years old, far older than expected in a young universe.

Scientists Baffled: Webb Uncovers Ancient Galaxies That Defy Explanation

NASA's James Webb Space Telescope has revealed mysterious objects in the early universe that challenge current theories of galaxy and supermassive black hole evolution. These objects contain old stars and massive black holes, much larger than expected, suggesting a rapid and unconventional form o

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[excalibur]

The Webb Telescope is finding old stars in the young universe.

Oops.

Chalk another one up to manmade computer models.

NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) confirmed that luminous, very red objects previously detected in the early universe challenge established ideas about the origins and evolution of galaxies and their supermassive black holes.

Led by researchers from Penn State and utilizing the NIRSpec instrument on JWST as part of the RUBIES survey, the international team identified three enigmatic objects dating back to 600-800 million years after the Big Bang, a time when the universe was just 5% of its current age. They announced the discovery on June 27 in the journal Astrophysical Journal Letters.

The scientists analyzed spectral measurements, or intensity of different wavelengths of light emitted from the objects. Their analysis found signatures of “old” stars, hundreds of millions of years old, far older than expected in a young universe.

Scientists Baffled: Webb Uncovers Ancient Galaxies That Defy Explanation

NASA's James Webb Space Telescope has revealed mysterious objects in the early universe that challenge current theories of galaxy and supermassive black hole evolution. These objects contain old stars and massive black holes, much larger than expected, suggesting a rapid and unconventional form o

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God is having fun with them.

 

[Wuwei]

The Webb Telescope is finding old stars in the young universe.

Oops.

Chalk another one up to manmade computer models.

That is interesting but not an "oops" incident. New discoveries with the WST will be continuously made and new models will be made and broken. That is consistent with the history of progress in all the sciences.

 

[Weatherman2020]

That is interesting but not an "oops" incident. New discoveries with the WST will be continuously made and new models will be made and broken. That is consistent with the history of progress in all the sciences.

How is it that science knows everything about climate change and despite the world coming out of the little ice age the blame is entrenched on humans being the cause despite the fact warming began before the Industrial Revolution?

 

[fncceo]

How is it that science knows everything about climate change and despite the world coming out of the little ice age the blame is entrenched on humans being the cause despite the fact warming began before the Industrial Revolution?

Astronomy is a science.

Climate change is a political movement.

Science has a methodology. Politics has dogma.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Astronomy is a science.

Climate change is a political movement.

Science has a methodology. Politics has dogma.

Semi. I have a friend who studies black holes. Half her job is playing politics.

You don’t get telescope time unless your project already fits the narrative.

 

[Wuwei]

How is it that science knows everything about climate change and despite the world coming out of the little ice age the blame is entrenched on humans being the cause despite the fact warming began before the Industrial Revolution?

I don't think science knows everything about climate change. New discoveries will be continuously be made in that area too. You are hijacking your own OP.

 

[Wuwei]

Astronomy is a science.

Climate change is a political movement.

Science has a methodology. Politics has dogma.

Climate change involves science. It's the acceptance of climate change that involve politics.
I can easily understand the politics of astronomy. Particle accelerators are also in short supply. I have seen lots of politics involved in trying to get time on a accelerator. Politics seems to enter everywhere there is a competition for a limited resource.

 

[ReinyDays]

Climate change involves science. It's the acceptance of climate change that involve politics.
I can easily understand the politics of astronomy. Particle accelerators are also in short supply. I have seen lots of politics involved in trying to get time on a accelerator. Politics seems to enter everywhere there is a competition for a limited resource.

In my experience ... the politics start with funding ... Mt Laguna was financed by the taxpayer of the State of California with a mandate to educational purposes ... thus we were allowed to use the the photometer up there for a night, but we had to actually learn something about astrophysics before the managers let us in the gate ... Mt Palomar was a research facility, so one needed bona fide research or one won't get time ...

Attend University of Arizona, major in astronomy, go to graduate school and you'll get time on Kitt Peaks ... easy peasy ...

We've never studied the early universe in infrared ... it's the first time we've seen this ... although I would expect to see 300 million year old stars in a 600 million year old galaxy ... this is only "oops" to the OP ... the rest us us with common sense understands ... bright luminous stars, ones that can be seen from 10 billion light-years away, are very short lived, a few million years ... with the infrared telescope in orbit we can see the smaller, longer lived stars ... and gee whiz, everybody expected to find these, why we put the stupid machine up in the sky to begin with ...

Climatology is in it's infant stage ... without computational fluid dynamics there's really nothing to study ... and for that we need faster computers ... so there's a Frontier in Oakridge running exoscale now ... plus it's super super expensive to study the atmosphere in the polar regions ... so give us 20 or 30 years ... the answers are going to be underwhelming, much like Asteroid Attacks ... maybe in 10,000 years we'll need to take stock and maybe start considering reducing our fossil fuel consumption ... or what?, asteroids will try to murder us ... again !!! ...

 

[initforme]

The young earth kooks theory blown out of the water.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The young earth kooks theory blown out of the water.

Actually, the data suggests the story is valid.

 

[initforme]

Actually, the data suggests the story is valid.

No, it does not. As a Christian white male there is zero validity to that theory.

 

[Weatherman2020]

No, it does not. As a Christian white male there is zero validity to that theory.

You probably don’t know time is not a constant.
Nor know geologic formations can occur in a few years that we are told took millions. Nor does rock bend.

 

[initforme]

You probably don’t know time is not a constant.
Nor know geologic formations can occur in a few years that we are told took millions. Nor does rock bend.

So mount everest occurred in a few thousand years? Cmon. Why would you accept anything to which fanatics agree?

 

[Weatherman2020]

So mount everest occurred in a few thousand years? Cmon. Why would you accept anything to which fanatics agree?

So you put limits on God.

 

[initforme]

So you put limits on God.

I believe in God, and science. The two can coincide. Are you a theocrat?

 

[Weatherman2020]

I believe in God, and science. The two can coincide. Are you a theocrat?

I’m a Christian because I believe in what the Bible says.
If you don’t, your not a Christian.

 

[DStar777]

The young earth kooks theory blown out of the water.

I'm not sure why this is news. We have known that the age of the universe is within the 13 to 14 billion year range for over a decade:

Research from various missions has yielded slightly different estimates. Data from the European Space Agency's Planck mission gathered between 2009 to 2013 suggests that the universe is 13.82 billion years old. Another estimate, based on observations from the Atacama Cosmology Telescope in Chile, shaves a few hundred million years off the universe's age, putting it at 13.77 billion years, though astronomers at Cardiff University in the U.K. told us that the uncertainties in this measurement are still consistent with the age derived by the Planck mission.

 

[initforme]

I’m a Christian because I believe in what the Bible says.
If you don’t, your not a Christian.

I'm a Christian also who believes science can help explain how things played out according to the Bible.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I'm a Christian also who believes science can help explain how things played out according to the Bible.

Then start looking at the evidence and stop listening to the world. I made my wealth in science and I fully support a young earth. The evidence is overwhelming.