Thread for Zionists who Deny the Existence of the Palestinian Christians and Muslims

[Roudy]

Of course. Wiki, the Hasbara tool, must be accurate. LOL

Anyone can edit on Wikipedia. I have.

Yes, but the Jews train and give scholarships so that their lies overcome the facts.

No, you're fulla shit failure and always will be.

EARLY MODERN JEWISH HISTORY Overview d Ottoman Empire

EARLY MODERN JEWISH HISTORY: Overview


In the period after the Expulsion, some exiles made their way to Egypt, Syria and the Holy Land. Their numbers were small, though, because these areas were held by the Mamlukes, and were quite inhospitable places for settlement. This changed, however, in 1516-1517, with the Ottoman conquest of these territories. Exiles, descendants of exiles and conversos began making their way to ancient Jewish communities in the east: Cairo and Alexandria in Egypt, Damascus, Halab and Beirut in Syria, and Jerusalem and Safed in Eretz Israel. In a colorful and probably exaggerated account from 1517-1523, an Ashkenazic author writes as follows:

“In the time of the great Rabbi Ovadia [of Bertinora] the prayers were said according to the rite of the Mustarabim [indigenous Jews] who follow Maimonides in matters of custom and law. But now that the Sephardim have been added to the population, they have practically eliminated every other usage, and they do as they please. Three of the cantors are Sephardim and one is Mustarab, and each does as he pleases.”

We have especially good data on the growth of Sephardic settlement in Safed in the sixteenth century, the period of this community’s great material and spiritual flowering. Turkish tax records show that in 1525 there were some 48 European (probably Spanish-Jewish) families in Safed; by 1555 there were 143 Portuguese-Jewish and 324 Spanish-Jewish households. Incidentally, this data illustrates that the movement of Iberian Jews through the Mediterranean was an extended one that continued for many years after the expulsion.

 

[Indeependent]

Of course. Wiki, the Hasbara tool, must be accurate. LOL

Anyone can edit on Wikipedia. I have.

Yes, but the Jews train and give scholarships so that their lies overcome the facts.

No, you're fulla shit failure and always will be.

EARLY MODERN JEWISH HISTORY Overview d Ottoman Empire

EARLY MODERN JEWISH HISTORY: Overview


In the period after the Expulsion, some exiles made their way to Egypt, Syria and the Holy Land. Their numbers were small, though, because these areas were held by the Mamlukes, and were quite inhospitable places for settlement. This changed, however, in 1516-1517, with the Ottoman conquest of these territories. Exiles, descendants of exiles and conversos began making their way to ancient Jewish communities in the east: Cairo and Alexandria in Egypt, Damascus, Halab and Beirut in Syria, and Jerusalem and Safed in Eretz Israel. In a colorful and probably exaggerated account from 1517-1523, an Ashkenazic author writes as follows:

“In the time of the great Rabbi Ovadia [of Bertinora] the prayers were said according to the rite of the Mustarabim [indigenous Jews] who follow Maimonides in matters of custom and law. But now that the Sephardim have been added to the population, they have practically eliminated every other usage, and they do as they please. Three of the cantors are Sephardim and one is Mustarab, and each does as he pleases.”

We have especially good data on the growth of Sephardic settlement in Safed in the sixteenth century, the period of this community’s great material and spiritual flowering. Turkish tax records show that in 1525 there were some 48 European (probably Spanish-Jewish) families in Safed; by 1555 there were 143 Portuguese-Jewish and 324 Spanish-Jewish households. Incidentally, this data illustrates that the movement of Iberian Jews through the Mediterranean was an extended one that continued for many years after the expulsion.

Hasbera revised history!
If Jews ran the world Monty wouldn't have an Internet connection.

 

[Roudy]

Of course. Wiki, the Hasbara tool, must be accurate. LOL

Anyone can edit on Wikipedia. I have.

Yes, but the Jews train and give scholarships so that their lies overcome the facts.

No, you're fulla shit failure and always will be.

EARLY MODERN JEWISH HISTORY Overview d Ottoman Empire

EARLY MODERN JEWISH HISTORY: Overview


In the period after the Expulsion, some exiles made their way to Egypt, Syria and the Holy Land. Their numbers were small, though, because these areas were held by the Mamlukes, and were quite inhospitable places for settlement. This changed, however, in 1516-1517, with the Ottoman conquest of these territories. Exiles, descendants of exiles and conversos began making their way to ancient Jewish communities in the east: Cairo and Alexandria in Egypt, Damascus, Halab and Beirut in Syria, and Jerusalem and Safed in Eretz Israel. In a colorful and probably exaggerated account from 1517-1523, an Ashkenazic author writes as follows:

“In the time of the great Rabbi Ovadia [of Bertinora] the prayers were said according to the rite of the Mustarabim [indigenous Jews] who follow Maimonides in matters of custom and law. But now that the Sephardim have been added to the population, they have practically eliminated every other usage, and they do as they please. Three of the cantors are Sephardim and one is Mustarab, and each does as he pleases.”

We have especially good data on the growth of Sephardic settlement in Safed in the sixteenth century, the period of this community’s great material and spiritual flowering. Turkish tax records show that in 1525 there were some 48 European (probably Spanish-Jewish) families in Safed; by 1555 there were 143 Portuguese-Jewish and 324 Spanish-Jewish households. Incidentally, this data illustrates that the movement of Iberian Jews through the Mediterranean was an extended one that continued for many years after the expulsion.

Hasbera revised history!
If Jews ran the world Monty wouldn't have an Internet connection.

They should make an amusement park for IslamoNazis and neo Nazis only, right next to Disney World, and call it: Monte World. I can imagine the rides with evil Jews counting money, and drinking goy blood on Passover...it will be a hit!

 

[montelatici]

You are so damn stupid. You don't even read what link to. LOL

“there is not a single Jew in the town who is a native Jew................ Turkish tax records show that in 1525 there were some 48 European (probably Spanish-Jewish) families in Safed; by 1555 there were 143 Portuguese-Jewish and 324 Spanish-Jewish households. "

You have reconfirmed the accuracy of the later British reports on Palestine. Thank you so much.



AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

"The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews...."

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/349B02280A930813052565E90048ED1C

 

[Roudy]

So you're taking a vague number by an organization not set up to report actual numbers, as opposed to the Ottoman census, which reported the ethnic and religious identities of individual tax payers, and the amount collect.. Yup, you're a moron, and a total hack propagandist.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish subjects. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""




Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.html

 

[Roudy]

You are so damn stupid. You don't even read what link to. LOL

“there is not a single Jew in the town who is a native Jew................ Turkish tax records show that in 1525 there were some 48 European (probably Spanish-Jewish) families in Safed; by 1555 there were 143 Portuguese-Jewish and 324 Spanish-Jewish households. "

You have reconfirmed the accuracy of the later British reports on Palestine. Thank you so much.



AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

"The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews...."

https://unispal.un.org/DPA/DPR/unispal.nsf/0/349B02280A930813052565E90048ED1C

Hah? More antisemitic vomit. There is clear record of Jews migrating from Spain to Jerusalem, Safed, and Hebron in the 1200's, 1400',1500's, and 1600's. That's about 900 years ago. Not native enough compared to the Muslim and Christian invaders? Well, they migrated to join OTHER NATIVE JEWS, who had already been there. Eat shit.

 

[Roudy]

Hey Achmed, interesting eh? They don't even call it Palestine! Ha ha ha, what a dumbass you are.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Jerusalem (After 1291)

Present condition of the city
Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures: Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites,ú Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish subjects. These suburbs contain nearly half the present population.

 

[Roudy]

According to Monte, the Jews who had been there for thousands of years and kept coming back, have no rights to the land, but the Muslim invaders do. Ha ha ha!

 

[montelatici]

Now the facts on film.

 

[montelatici]

So you're taking a vague number by an organization not set up to report actual numbers, as opposed to the Ottoman census, which reported the ethnic and religious identities of individual tax payers, and the amount collect.. Yup, you're a moron, and a total hack propagandist.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish subjects. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""




Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.html

So, the facts show that Muslims and Christians were the majority in Jerusalem until the European Jews began invading. That's what we are saying dummy. You keep proving my point. Thanks.

 

[Roudy]

Now the facts on film.

Right, we're taking a "film" over official Ottoman census numbers.

You are truly pathetic.

 

[Roudy]

So you're taking a vague number by an organization not set up to report actual numbers, as opposed to the Ottoman census, which reported the ethnic and religious identities of individual tax payers, and the amount collect.. Yup, you're a moron, and a total hack propagandist.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Jerusalem After 1291

"...Present condition of the City: (1907 edition)

Jerusalem (El Quds) is the capital of a sanjak and the seat of a mutasarrif directly dependent on the Sublime Porte. In the administration of the sanjak the mutasarrif is assisted by a council called majlis ida ra; the city has a municipal government (majlis baladiye) presided over by a mayor. The total population is estimated at 66,000. The Turkish census of 1905, which counts only Ottoman subjects, gives these figures:
Jews, 45,000; Moslems, 8,000; Orthodox Christians, 6000; Latins, 2500; Armenians, 950; Protestants, 800; Melkites, 250; Copts, 150; Abyssinians, 100; Jacobites, 100; Catholic Syrians, 50. During the Nineteenth century large suburbs to the north and east have grown up, chiefly for the use of the Jewish subjects. These suburbs contain nearly Half the present population...""




Growth of Jerusalem 1838-Present

....... Jews Muslims Christians Total
1838 6,000 5,000 3,000 14,000
1844 7,120 5,760 3,390 16,270 ..... ..The First Official Ottoman Census
1876 12,000 7,560 5,470 25,030 .... .....Second """"""""""
1905 40,000 8,000 10,900 58,900 ....... Third/last, detailed in CathEncyc above
1948 99,320 36,680 31,300 167,300
1990 353,200 124,200 14,000 491,400
1992 385,000 150,000 15,000 550,000

http://www.testimony-magazine.org/jerusalem/bring.html

So, the facts show that Muslims and Christians were the majority in Jerusalem until the European Jews began invading. That's what we are saying dummy. You keep proving my point. Thanks.

No dickhead, your point was that "there were no Jews in Israel before 1948". Or "there were 'hardly' any Jews before 1948". Which is clearly false. How many is "hardly", knucklehead? Which idiot quotes numbers by using adjectives? An antisemtic IslamoNazi ass kisser, that's who. LOL

Jews always maintained a presence, and kept coming back, despite all the Muslim and Christian invasions. The land is theirs, case closed.

 

[montelatici]

Now the facts on film.

Right, we're taking a "film" over official Ottoman census numbers.

You are truly pathetic.

I have the Ottoman Census numbers. Your's are bogus. I have the census reports. I have posted them in the past. As I recall there were about 6,000 female and 7,000 male Jews in Palestine in 1883.

The film is documentary evidence from a time where there was little partisanship. So, it is accurate.

 

[Hollie]

Now the facts on film.

Right, we're taking a "film" over official Ottoman census numbers.

You are truly pathetic.

I have the Ottoman Census numbers. Your's are bogus. I have the census reports. I have posted them in the past. As I recall there were about 6,000 female and 7,000 male Jews in Palestine in 1883.

The film is documentary evidence from a time where there was little partisanship. So, it is accurate.

".... because I say so."

There's a shared syndrome among the Pom Pom flailers for the Islamic Death Cult wherein they believe that YouTube videos are the only reliable source of history.

 

[teddyearp]

You are so damn stupid. You don't even read what link to. LOL

“there is not a single Jew in the town who is a native Jew................ Turkish tax records show that in 1525 there were some 48 European (probably Spanish-Jewish) families in Safed; by 1555 there were 143 Portuguese-Jewish and 324 Spanish-Jewish households. "

You have reconfirmed the accuracy of the later British reports on Palestine. Thank you so much.



AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF

PALESTINE,

during the period
1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921.


AN INTERIM REPORT
ON THE
CIVIL ADMINISTRATION
OF
PALESTINE.

I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR.

"The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews...."

Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations/Balfour Declaration text (30 July 1921)

Hahaha! Sally, you're so good for a laugh. You try to compare actual records from 1525 to a 'report' made four hundred years later. And funnier still is that your report from 1920-1 attempts to declare how many Jews were in the country over a full generation earlier; yes, how can a 'committee' know anything that was in existence over seventy years earlier?

Please, oh please all knowing wizard of OZ, do tell us what happened to those Jews that were in the country in 1525. Tell us please all knowing wizard how to reconcile the number to 'just a handful' four hundred years later.

Do not blame it on the Romans and their conversion to Christianity for most of the residents almost 1300 years earlier. Do not blame it on the Muslum invasion of about 700 years earlier and that conversion. Do not blame it on the Crusades that happened 3-400 years earlier.

Well, unless you have some sort of facts to pin it all on my aforementioned events. Highly doubtful, lol.

 

[teddyearp]

Now the facts on film.

I tore the shit out of that bullshit video in at least one other thread.

 

[louie888]

Now the facts on film.

I tore the shit out of that bullshit video in at least one other thread.

I thought this thread was over with none of you able to answer a very basic question based on the known FACTS.

1) Europeans moved to Palestine in just the last century.

2) There were Palestinian people who lived there, both Christian and Muslim.

Are those facts or not in your world?

 

[teddyearp]

One of the key goals of Zionist propaganda is to make people believe that the Muslim and Christian people of Palestine did a not exist when the European Zionists began colonizing Palestine.

I call bullshit on this. Unless you can prove otherwise, I have not seen any document linked to and/or posted by any Pro-Israel person that denies the existence of Muslim and Christian peoples in the area now known as The State of Israel when Jews started returning en-mass. Therefore we are left with the truth about why this thread was REALLY created:

The irony, of course, is that the denial of the existence of the Jewish people is at LEAST as common on the anti-Israel side.

Meaning, one of the key goals of the electronic intifada propaganda machine is to make people believe that there were no Jews at all in The State of Israel, that they are ALL 'invaders'. They wish to deny the FACT that there has been an ongoing Jewish presence in the land for a few thousand years. Judaism predates Christianity by a couple thousand years. Christianity predates Islam by about 6-700 years.

/end thread

 

[teddyearp]

I thought this thread was over with none of you able to answer a very basic question based on the known FACTS.

1) Europeans moved to Palestine in just the last century.

2) There were Palestinian people who lived there, both Christian and Muslim.

Are those facts or not in your world?

Let me attempt to take the blinders off your eyes.

1. In the last century, many Jews moved to the area now known as the State of Israel from parts of Europe.
2. There were Christians and Muslims living there at that time. See, I admit that those are fact, but let me continue:
3. Many Jews also moved to the State of Israel in the last century from places other than Europe, for example, all the Jews kicked out of Russia, Iran, Iraq, etc.
4. There was a constant Jewish presence in the area now know as the State of Israel for a few thousand years. They never left, nor 'converted'.
5. Judaism predates both Christianity and Islam.

Are those facts or not, in your twisted world view?

 

[Roudy]

Now the facts on film.

I tore the shit out of that bullshit video in at least one other thread.

It won't stop him from posting it another thousand times at least. Because that's all the antisemitic propagandist has...nothing. What he doesn't have is a shred of self respect or intellectual honesty. Typical.