Times of the Gentiles

[onefour1]

Luke 21:24
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

In your opinion, what does the phrase "times of the Gentiles be fulfilled" refer to?

 

[PurpleOwl]

seems to mean nations of unbelievers.... so heathens or pagans

International Standard Version
They will fall by the edge of the sword and be carried off as captives among all the nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the unbelievers until the times of the unbelievers are fulfilled."

Young's Literal Translation
and they shall fall by the mouth of the sword, and shall be led captive to all the nations, and Jerusalem shall be trodden down by nations, till the times of nations be fulfilled.

 

[The Irish Ram]

There have been specific eras throughout our time on earth, starting with Adam and Eve and the Age of Innocence. The Jews went through the Age of the Law. We are now in the Age of the Gentiles. Each era is aprox. 1,500/2,000 years long. Christ came to save the Jews but they rejected him, so He sent his disciples to preach to the Gentile and replace the Law with Grace. Our time is coming to an end.

 

[PurpleOwl]

There have been specific eras throughout our time on earth, starting with Adam and Eve and the Age of Innocence. The Jews went through the Age of the Law. We are now in the Age of the Gentiles. Each era is aprox. 1,500/2,000 years long. Christ came to save the Jews but they rejected him, so He sent his disciples to preach to the Gentile and replaced the Law with Grace Our time is coming to an end.

wasn't the apocalypse supposed to have happened a long time ago? "in your lifetime"

 

[The Irish Ram]

No. It has yet to occur.

 

[PurpleOwl]

No. It has yet to occur.

Do you believe the apocalypse will happen in your lifetime? Would you want it to?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Luke 21:24
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

In your opinion, what does the phrase "times of the Gentiles be fulfilled" refer to?

The period we have entered now. We are at the beginning. It'll get worse.
America and Britain are among the chief Tribes of Israel. Our lands are being flooded by Gentiles. This won't end well.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Time of the Gentiles IS The Great Tribulation. It is the TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE.

Jacob is Israel. America, Britain and the people of NW Europe are Israel.

 

[The Irish Ram]

No. It has yet to occur.

Do you believe the apocalypse will happen in your lifetime? Would you want it to?

If not in my lifetime, then my children's. There are nearly 2,500 prophesies about the times we are living in. All but 500 have been fulfilled. All that needed to be fulfilled before Christ's return have been. Maranatha.

 

[HaShev]

No. It has yet to occur.

Do you believe the apocalypse will happen in your lifetime? Would you want it to?

If not in my lifetime, then my children's. There are nearly 2,500 prophesies about the times we are living in. All but 500 have been fulfilled. All that needed to be fulfilled before Christ's return have been. Maranatha.

I fixed it for you using the proper language;
All that needed to be fulfilled before Moshiach's(Christ's) HaShev (return) have been.

 

[onefour1]

Luke 13:30
30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

1 Nephi 13
Chapter 13
Nephi sees in vision the church of the devil set up among the Gentiles, the discovery and colonizing of America, the loss of many plain and precious parts of the Bible, the resultant state of gentile apostasy, the restoration of the gospel, the coming forth of latter-day scripture, and the building up of Zion. About 600–592 B.C.

1 And it came to pass that the angel spake unto me, saying: Look! And I looked and beheld many nations and kingdoms.

2 And the angel said unto me: What beholdest thou? And I said: I behold many nations and kingdoms.

3 And he said unto me: These are the nations and kingdoms of the Gentiles.

4 And it came to pass that I saw among the nations of the Gentiles the formation of a great church.

5 And the angel said unto me: Behold the formation of a church which is most abominable above all other churches, which slayeth the saints of God, yea, and tortureth them and bindeth them down, and yoketh them with a yoke of iron, and bringeth them down into captivity.

6 And it came to pass that I beheld this great and abominable church; and I saw the devil that he was the founder of it.

7 And I also saw gold, and silver, and silks, and scarlets, and fine-twined linen, and all manner of precious clothing; and I saw many harlots.

8 And the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold the gold, and the silver, and the silks, and the scarlets, and the fine-twined linen, and the precious clothing, and the harlots, are the desires of this great and abominable church.

9 And also for the praise of the world do they destroy the saints of God, and bring them down into captivity.

10 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld many waters; and they divided the Gentiles from the seed of my brethren.

11 And it came to pass that the angel said unto me: Behold the wrath of God is upon the seed of thy brethren.

12 And I looked and beheld a man among the Gentiles, who was separated from the seed of my brethren by the many waters; and I beheld the Spirit of God, that it came down and wrought upon the man; and he went forth upon the many waters, even unto the seed of my brethren, who were in the promised land.

13 And it came to pass that I beheld the Spirit of God, that it wrought upon other Gentiles; and they went forth out of captivity, upon the many waters.

14 And it came to pass that I beheld many multitudes of the Gentiles upon the land of promise; and I beheld the wrath of God, that it was upon the seed of my brethren; and they were scattered before the Gentiles and were smitten.

15 And I beheld the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, and they did prosper and obtain the land for their inheritance; and I beheld that they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people before they were slain.

16 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles who had gone forth out of captivity did humble themselves before the Lord; and the power of the Lord was with them.

17 And I beheld that their mother Gentiles were gathered together upon the waters, and upon the land also, to battle against them.

18 And I beheld that the power of God was with them, and also that the wrath of God was upon all those that were gathered together against them to battle.

19 And I, Nephi, beheld that the Gentiles that had gone out of captivity were delivered by the power of God out of the hands of all other nations.

20 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that they did prosper in the land; and I beheld a book, and it was carried forth among them.

21 And the angel said unto me: Knowest thou the meaning of the book?

22 And I said unto him: I know not.

23 And he said: Behold it proceedeth out of the mouth of a Jew. And I, Nephi, beheld it; and he said unto me: The book that thou beholdest is a record of the Jews, which contains the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; and it also containeth many of the prophecies of the holy prophets; and it is a record like unto the engravings which are upon the plates of brass, save there are not so many; nevertheless, they contain the covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the house of Israel; wherefore, they are of great worth unto the Gentiles.

24 And the angel of the Lord said unto me: Thou hast beheld that the book proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew; and when it proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew it contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record; and they bear record according to the truth which is in the Lamb of God.

25 Wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews in purity unto the Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God.

26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest the formation of that great and abominable church, which is most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they taken away.

27 And all this have they done that they might pervert the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and harden the hearts of the children of men.

28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.

29 And after these plain and precious things were taken away it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have gone forth out of captivity, thou seest—because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the book, which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men, according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God—because of these things which are taken away out of the gospel of the Lamb, an exceedingly great many do stumble, yea, insomuch that Satan hath great power over them.

30 Nevertheless, thou beholdest that the Gentiles who have gone forth out of captivity, and have been lifted up by the power of God above all other nations, upon the face of the land which is choice above all other lands, which is the land that the Lord God hath covenanted with thy father that his seed should have for the land of their inheritance; wherefore, thou seest that the Lord God will not suffer that the Gentiles will utterly destroy the mixture of thy seed, which are among thy brethren.

31 Neither will he suffer that the Gentiles shall destroy the seed of thy brethren.

32 Neither will the Lord God suffer that the Gentiles shall forever remain in that awful state of blindness, which thou beholdest they are in, because of the plain and most precious parts of the gospel of the Lamb which have been kept back by that abominable church, whose formation thou hast seen.

33 Wherefore saith the Lamb of God: I will be merciful unto the Gentiles, unto the visiting of the remnant of the house of Israel in great judgment.

34 And it came to pass that the angel of the Lord spake unto me, saying: Behold, saith the Lamb of God, after I have visited the remnant of the house of Israel—and this remnant of whom I speak is the seed of thy father—wherefore, after I have visited them in judgment, and smitten them by the hand of the Gentiles, and after the Gentiles do stumble exceedingly, because of the most plain and precious parts of the gospel of the Lamb which have been kept back by that abominable church, which is the mother of harlots, saith the Lamb—I will be merciful unto the Gentiles in that day, insomuch that I will bring forth unto them, in mine own power, much of my gospel, which shall be plain and precious, saith the Lamb.

35 For, behold, saith the Lamb: I will manifest myself unto thy seed, that they shall write many things which I shall minister unto them, which shall be plain and precious; and after thy seed shall be destroyed, and dwindle in unbelief, and also the seed of thy brethren, behold, these things shall be hid up, to come forth unto the Gentiles, by the gift and power of the Lamb.

36 And in them shall be written my gospel, saith the Lamb, and my rock and my salvation.

37 And blessed are they who shall seek to bring forth my Zion at that day, for they shall have the gift and the power of the Holy Ghost; and if they endure unto the end they shall be lifted up at the last day, and shall be saved in the everlasting kingdom of the Lamb; and whoso shall publish peace, yea, tidings of great joy, how beautiful upon the mountains shall they be.

38 And it came to pass that I beheld the remnant of the seed of my brethren, and also the book of the Lamb of God, which had proceeded forth from the mouth of the Jew, that it came forth from the Gentiles unto the remnant of the seed of my brethren.

39 And after it had come forth unto them I beheld other books, which came forth by the power of the Lamb, from the Gentiles unto them, unto the convincing of the Gentiles and the remnant of the seed of my brethren, and also the Jews who were scattered upon all the face of the earth, that the records of the prophets and of the twelve apostles of the Lamb are true.

40 And the angel spake unto me, saying: These last records, which thou hast seen among the Gentiles, shall establish the truth of the first, which are of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, and shall make known the plain and precious things which have been taken away from them; and shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him, or they cannot be saved.

41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.

42 And the time cometh that he shall manifest himself unto all nations, both unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles; and after he has manifested himself unto the Jews and also unto the Gentiles, then he shall manifest himself unto the Gentiles and also unto the Jews, and the last shall be first, and the first shall be last.

 

[onefour1]

When Jesus taught during his earthly ministry, the gospel was to only be taught unto the house of Israel.

Matthew 10:1-7
1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphæus, and Lebbæus, whose surname was Thaddæus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

But the time came when the gospel was to be preached to Gentiles.

Acts 10

From that time the gospel was preached to the Gentiles and the House of Israel was eventually scattered and dispersed among all nations.

2 Kings 17

Eventually Even the Jews were scattered and dispersed among all nations.

The Romans Destroy the Temple at Jerusalem, 70 A.D.

From that time the Gospel was primarily among the Gentiles. But eventually the world fell into a state of apostasy. A Great and Abominable Church arose which took many of the plain and precious parts of the gospel away.

The Great Apostasy

The gospel was eventually restored to the earth through the Prophet Joseph Smith to this Gentile nation of America. Thus in the last days, the gospel would go first to the Gentile and then to the Jew. Thus far the gospel has primarily been taught to the Gentiles in these last days. But those days will soon come to an end and the gospel will then primarily go to the scattered house of Israel again. When this happens, the times of the Gentiles will be fulfilled. Then cometh destructions upon the Gentiles just as it did upon the house of Israel. A great gathering of the lost tribes of Israel with then take place. If the Gentiles repent they can be adopted into the house of Israel and numbered among them. Then shall Isaiah 54 be fulfilled.

Isaiah 54
1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the Lord.
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
6 For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.
9 For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
10 For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee.
11 O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires.
12 And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones.
13 And all thy children shall be taught of the Lord; and great shall be the peace of thy children.
14 In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee.
15 Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.
16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy.
17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Luke 21:24
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

In your opinion, what does the phrase "times of the Gentiles be fulfilled" refer to?

The time of the Gentiles refers to the period where YHVH (Yah, God- the unspeakable name of God) purposely blinded the eyes of the Jewish people in order to bring in the gentiles and to make his people Israel, "burn with jealousy." The time of the Gentiles will culminate with the Abomination of Desolation when satan himself will declare to the world he alone is YHVH (Yah, God- the unspeakable name of God) and Jews flee for their lives.. When Yeshua HaMashiac (Christ the Messiah) returns in victory with the Saints to battle in the war of Armageddon, the eyes of the Jews will see, "Whom they had pierced." The next era will be the Millennial Kingdom Age.

 

[yiostheoy]

Luke 21:24
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

In your opinion, what does the phrase "times of the Gentiles be fulfilled" refer to?

The takeover of Jerusalem by the Roman Empire.

 

[hobelim]

Luke 21:24
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

In your opinion, what does the phrase "times of the Gentiles be fulfilled" refer to?

Jesus said that he came to bring a sword. Jeremiah 25:15 shows that this sword is a curse under the appearance of a cup of fiery wine. Revelation 22:3 tells of a time when there will be no more curse.

Between the time that Jesus sent the curse out over all the world and the time when the curse is removed is the time of the gentiles.



"I will force your oppressors to eat their own flesh and make them drunk on their own blood as if with new wine. Then all flesh shall know that I, the Lord, am your savior and your redeemer, the mighty one of Jacob."

 

[Indeependent]

Luke 21:24
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

In your opinion, what does the phrase "times of the Gentiles be fulfilled" refer to?

The usual problem of not having the original language or of studying from The Beginning what this phrase means.

"until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled"...
The Gentiles are those who, in terms of TNT, reject Jesus.
After they use up whatever credit they have, they will fall and J will rise again.

Still waiting.

 

[hobelim]

Still waiting.

"Then I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to break its seals?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look in it. I began to weep loudly, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look inside."

 

[Indeependent]

Still waiting.

"Then I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to break its seals?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look in it. I began to weep loudly, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look inside."

The difference between Judaism and Christianity is that TNT is adamant about humans being incapable of earning any credit except by the Grace of God.
In other words, a Christian can never be worthy of God's Grace.
So where's the messiah?
Still waiting.

 

[hobelim]

Still waiting.

"Then I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to break its seals?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look in it. I began to weep loudly, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look inside."

The difference between Judaism and Christianity is that TNT is adamant about humans being incapable of earning any credit except by the Grace of God.
In other words, a Christian can never be worthy of God's Grace.
So where's the messiah?
Still waiting.

Don't worry your silly self. . At the resurrection the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.


"Many will purify themselves and be refined making themselves shining white, but the wicked shall continue in wickedness and none of them shall understand."

 

[Indeependent]

Still waiting.

"Then I saw in the right hand of Him who sat on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and to break its seals?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look in it. I began to weep loudly, because no one was found worthy to open and read the scroll, or to look inside."

The difference between Judaism and Christianity is that TNT is adamant about humans being incapable of earning any credit except by the Grace of God.
In other words, a Christian can never be worthy of God's Grace.
So where's the messiah?
Still waiting.

"Many will purify themselves and be refined making themselves shining white, but the wicked shall continue in wickedness and none of them shall understand."

J was crucified; all of those who believed in him were saved...
What's the delay?