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I see positives but have not read it yet.
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I see positives but have not read it yet.
Trump's fake 'peace plan' is permanent apartheid for Palestine
Trump's fake 'peace plan' is permanent apartheid for Palestine
The deals will just keep getting worse and worse for the Palestinian Arabs as the years go on. So they should grab this one very quickly.
Get your apartheid now. Limited time offer.
Fight pointless with pointless.Get your apartheid now. Limited time offer.
The usual pointless spam.
I am conflicted. The devil is in the details and this was put together by Israel and the US excluding the palestinians. Israel seems to get everything they want. What exactly are the pals getting in terms of what they want? I was listening to an informative set of interviews on this morning on BBC world. I am on my phone and can't download it at the moment, but will later.
One point made was Israel can annex Arab villages to Palestine. What exactly does that mean? Arab Israeli's by far prefer their Israeli citizenship. They chose, they are well integrated. Does this mean forcing people to lose their citizenship? Shouldn't the people affected have some say?
Fight pointless with pointless.Get your apartheid now. Limited time offer.
The usual pointless spam.
I am conflicted. The devil is in the details and this was put together by Israel and the US excluding the palestinians. Israel seems to get everything they want. What exactly are the pals getting in terms of what they want? I was listening to an informative set of interviews on this morning on BBC world. I am on my phone and can't download it at the moment, but will later.
One point made was Israel can annex Arab villages to Palestine. What exactly does that mean? Arab Israeli's by far prefer their Israeli citizenship. They chose, they are well integrated. Does this mean forcing people to lose their citizenship? Shouldn't the people affected have some say?
There are some very, very good details for the Palestinians in this Vision. They get everything they want except the ability to destroy Israel, IMO.
I've read the entire document. I'm not sure what you mean by "Israel can annex Arab villages to Palestine". The Vision states that 97% of Israelis will be in Israeli territory. And 97% of Arab Palestinians will be in Palestinian territory.
The remaining Arab Palestinians will be in enclaves surrounded by Israeli territory, but will be able to choose to remain in place or to move if they so wish. They will be citizens of Palestine and fully subject to Palestinian sovereignty, including zoning, planning, and infrastructure within their enclaves. They will have direct access to the State of Palestine.
The remaining Israelis will be in enclaves surrounded by Palestine territory, but will be able to choose to remain in place or move if they so wish. They will be citizens of Israel and fully subject to Israeli sovereignty, including zoning, planning and infrastructure within their enclaves. They will have direct access to the State of Israel.
There is specific language that neither group will be discriminated against.
The Vision is very clear, in all areas, that the individuals will have choice. Good details.
(Page 12 for those wanting to look it up.)
Another fence/wall that we will be paying for too....With a big barbed wire fence around it and guard observation towers.
Since part of this deal is us sending over 50 billion to Palestine....sending 50 billion to terrorists?? why?? for some peace deal....how unamerican!!!
Remember when Trumpers were so triggered by Obama sending not even 1% of that amount to Iran for AN ACTUAL PEACE DEAL THAT WAS WORKING??
Now...I hope folks can put their partisan hackery to the side and get a 2-state solution done....hope people would have done this sooner -- back when it was a dem trying to get a 2-state solution done instead of demonizing it...
and you will find more dems on board with Trump getting a real 2-state solution done as long as it is not a repeat of the North Korea debacle...
Another fence/wall that we will be paying for too....With a big barbed wire fence around it and guard observation towers.
Since part of this deal is us sending over 50 billion to Palestine....sending 50 billion to terrorists?? why?? for some peace deal....how unamerican!!!
Remember when Trumpers were so triggered by Obama sending not even 1% of that amount to Iran for AN ACTUAL PEACE DEAL THAT WAS WORKING??
Now...I hope folks can put their partisan hackery to the side and get a 2-state solution done....hope people would have done this sooner -- back when it was a dem trying to get a 2-state solution done instead of demonizing it...
and you will find more dems on board with Trump getting a real 2-state solution done as long as it is not a repeat of the North Korea debacle...
Most, if not all, of that proposed 50 billion dollars will be coming from the oil rich Arab Gulf states.
Get your apartheid now. Limited time offer.
The usual pointless spam.
I am conflicted. The devil is in the details and this was put together by Israel and the US excluding the palestinians. Israel seems to get everything they want. What exactly are the pals getting in terms of what they want? I was listening to an informative set of interviews on this morning on BBC world. I am on my phone and can't download it at the moment, but will later.
One point made was Israel can annex Arab villages to Palestine. What exactly does that mean? Arab Israeli's by far prefer their Israeli citizenship. They chose, they are well integrated. Does this mean forcing people to lose their citizenship? Shouldn't the people affected have some say?
There are some very, very good details for the Palestinians in this Vision. They get everything they want except the ability to destroy Israel, IMO.
I've read the entire document. I'm not sure what you mean by "Israel can annex Arab villages to Palestine". The Vision states that 97% of Israelis will be in Israeli territory. And 97% of Arab Palestinians will be in Palestinian territory.
The remaining Arab Palestinians will be in enclaves surrounded by Israeli territory, but will be able to choose to remain in place or to move if they so wish. They will be citizens of Palestine and fully subject to Palestinian sovereignty, including zoning, planning, and infrastructure within their enclaves. They will have direct access to the State of Palestine.
The remaining Israelis will be in enclaves surrounded by Palestine territory, but will be able to choose to remain in place or move if they so wish. They will be citizens of Israel and fully subject to Israeli sovereignty, including zoning, planning and infrastructure within their enclaves. They will have direct access to the State of Israel.
There is specific language that neither group will be discriminated against.
The Vision is very clear, in all areas, that the individuals will have choice. Good details.
(Page 12 for those wanting to look it up.)
What about the holy sites (like the Western Wall and the Tombs of Abraham, Rachel and Joseph)?
What about the holy sites (like the Western Wall and the Tombs of Abraham, Rachel and Joseph)?
What about the holy sites (like the Western Wall and the Tombs of Abraham, Rachel and Joseph)?
All of the Old City and the Tomb of the Patriarchs remain under Israeli sovereignty. (Not sure about other sites).
The Jordan/Israel status quo for the Temple Mount remains in place.
Freedom of access and prayer (!) to be guaranteed at all holy sites for all peoples, with consideration to special holidays and celebrations for each faith.
Specific language stating that all people be permitted to pray on the Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif.
A "world-class" Muslim Tourist Zone outside Jerusalem with fast-track, easy access to the Muslim shrines and the Old City.
A joint tourism development agency.
(pages 14 and 16, mostly)
"When the Palestinians reject the plan, it will demonstrate to the world they have no intention of ever living peacefully with Jews"A great move by the President. When the Palestinians reject the plan, it will demonstrate to the world they have no intention of ever living peacefully with Jews.
Trump is the problem.
As the parties in question resolved the controversy under international law in 1994, the UN has no relevance here.United Nations
United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, according to his spokesperson Stephane Dujarric, said the UN supports two states living in peace and security within recognised borders, based on the pre-1967 borders.
"The United Nations remains committed to supporting Palestinians and Israelis to resolve the conflict on the basis of United Nations resolutions, international law and bilateral agreements and realizing the vision of two States - Israel and Palestine - living side by side in peace and security within recognized borders, on the basis of the pre-1967 lines."