Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malays

[pvsi]

This is disturbing:

Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet

Earlier, when we commented in the abnormality in the flight path of flight MH-17 we said that "perhaps before coming to "certain" conclusion about the involvement of this rebel or that, the key questions one should ask before casting blame, is why did the pilot divert from his usual flight plan, why did he fly above restricted airspace, and just what, if any instructions, did Kiev air control give the pilot in the minutes before the tragic explosion?"

The simple answer would have come if Ukraine had merely released the Air Traffic Control recording from the tower and flight MH 17, something Malaysia did in the aftermath of the disappearance of flight MH 370, which at last check has still not been uncovered.

It now appears that answer will not be forthcoming because as the BBC reports "Ukraine's SBU security service has confiscated recordings of conversations between Ukrainian air traffic control officers and the crew of the doomed airliner, a source in Kiev has told Interfax news agency."

What happens to the recordings next is completely unknown. What is known is that any hope of getting an undoctored explanation why the plane flew as it did, or what the pilots may have seen or said in the moments before the explosion, is forever gone. Ukraine's Security Service Has Confiscated Air Traffic Control Recordings With Malaysian Jet | Zero Hedge

 

[pvsi]

No one cares, but Putin killing 298 people gets a world outraged...

 

[Discombobulated]

The Russians are actively working to dismember a sovereign nation, they know if they don't do it now they never will. Lets see if we can figure out why the Russians won't try to take back the Baltic States. Putin knows EU membership would be followed by NATO membership.

 

[R.C. Christian]

It is very disturbing.

 

[pvsi]

The Russians are actively working to dismember a sovereign nation, they know if they don't do it now they never will. Lets see if we can figure out why the Russians won't try to take back the Baltic States. Putin knows EU membership would be followed by NATO membership.

Lets try to stay on topic if we can. Ukraine. NOT Russia.

 

[R.C. Christian]

The Russians are actively working to dismember a sovereign nation, they know if they don't do it now they never will. Lets see if we can figure out why the Russians won't try to take back the Baltic States. Putin knows EU membership would be followed by NATO membership.

If it was so sovereign then why did we help overthrow it?

 

[R.C. Christian]

There is no credible evidence that Russia did this. None. Not one iota. You have a state department email sent to twitter on a Sunday morning with some google earth crap by the person that helped instigate the coup in Ukraine. Seriously? We release that horse shit as evidence while the Ukraine won't release it's audio feed? Something smells here.

 

[Discombobulated]

The Russians are actively working to dismember a sovereign nation, they know if they don't do it now they never will. Lets see if we can figure out why the Russians won't try to take back the Baltic States. Putin knows EU membership would be followed by NATO membership.

If it was so sovereign then why did we help overthrow it?

Did we send troops to the Ukraine? Where's the part where you justify Russian imperialist aggression in Ukraine? Did you forget that part?

 

[Discombobulated]

The Russians are actively working to dismember a sovereign nation, they know if they don't do it now they never will. Lets see if we can figure out why the Russians won't try to take back the Baltic States. Putin knows EU membership would be followed by NATO membership.

Lets try to stay on topic if we can. Ukraine. NOT Russia.

You don't even know what your own thread is about. Although I can well understand why you wouldn't want to talk about Russia in this context.

 

[Discombobulated]

There is no credible evidence that Russia did this. None. Not one iota. You have a state department email sent to twitter on a Sunday morning with some google earth crap by the person that helped instigate the coup in Ukraine. Seriously? We release that horse shit as evidence while the Ukraine won't release it's audio feed? Something smells here.

There is no credible evidence to suggest that Russian controlled state media has any credibility. But it is funny to watch you guys repeat it almost verbatim.

 

[pvsi]

The Russians are actively working to dismember a sovereign nation, they know if they don't do it now they never will. Lets see if we can figure out why the Russians won't try to take back the Baltic States. Putin knows EU membership would be followed by NATO membership.

If it was so sovereign then why did we help overthrow it?

 

[pvsi]

The Russians are actively working to dismember a sovereign nation, they know if they don't do it now they never will. Lets see if we can figure out why the Russians won't try to take back the Baltic States. Putin knows EU membership would be followed by NATO membership.

If it was so sovereign then why did we help overthrow it?

Did we send troops to the Ukraine? Where's the part where you justify Russian imperialist aggression in Ukraine? Did you forget that part?

I am not even aware of any Russian imperialist aggression in Ukraine - in Crimea Russian people voted to join back with Russia, which is understandable since it was part of Russia historically to begin with, and it is understandable why other parts of Ukraine want no part of US/EU backed Kiev junta as well.

 

[dilloduck]

The Russians are actively working to dismember a sovereign nation, they know if they don't do it now they never will. Lets see if we can figure out why the Russians won't try to take back the Baltic States. Putin knows EU membership would be followed by NATO membership.

If it was so sovereign then why did we help overthrow it?

Did we send troops to the Ukraine? Where's the part where you justify Russian imperialist aggression in Ukraine? Did you forget that part?

No We sent in McCain. Now that's what I call cruel.

 

[pvsi]

The Russians are actively working to dismember a sovereign nation, they know if they don't do it now they never will. Lets see if we can figure out why the Russians won't try to take back the Baltic States. Putin knows EU membership would be followed by NATO membership.

Lets try to stay on topic if we can. Ukraine. NOT Russia.

You don't even know what your own thread is about. Although I can well understand why you wouldn't want to talk about Russia in this context.

OK, let's talk for a second about the statement you made "dismember a sovereign nation". You need a different news source:

LiveLeak.com - Group of Ukrainians Confront Government Recruitment Officer, Burn Military Writs

 

[dilloduck]

The chief prodder in the last year has been the U.S., under the aegis of Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. As became evident from a phone conversation between her and Geoffrey Pyatt, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, the U.S. was deeply involved in the machinations that led to the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, deciding, for example, which of the various opposition leaders should and shouldn't accept a post in the government, how to get the U.N. on board, and when Vice President Biden should get involved behind the scenes to embolden the insurrection.

Read more: West not blameless in Flight 17 disaster over Ukraine | TheHill
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[R.C. Christian]

At the end of the day there is no real proof.

I started out like the rest of you, believing the narrative, but now I'm a skeptic. A skeptic on both sides of the issue hoping that it really was some drunk rebel but unable to shake the feeling that something is rotten in Denmark.

I'm not a Putin fan, but he has better leadership qualities than Barry who seems completely distanced from what is going on and is always having to catch up after a hard day on the golf course.

 

[JimH52]

There is no credible evidence that Russia did this. None. Not one iota. You have a state department email sent to twitter on a Sunday morning with some google earth crap by the person that helped instigate the coup in Ukraine. Seriously? We release that horse shit as evidence while the Ukraine won't release it's audio feed? Something smells here.

Well, except the audio which reveal on of the Russian Rebels bragging about shooting down a Ukrainian aircraft until one of his comrades advises him that it was a passenger plane. The he turns the conversation to something about them being spies. It was Russian missiles that brought the plane down.

 

[JimH52]

It is very disturbing.

So the Russians are paying you now too? WOW! They are desperate.

 

[dilloduck]

There is no credible evidence that Russia did this. None. Not one iota. You have a state department email sent to twitter on a Sunday morning with some google earth crap by the person that helped instigate the coup in Ukraine. Seriously? We release that horse shit as evidence while the Ukraine won't release it's audio feed? Something smells here.

Well, except the audio which reveal on of the Russian Rebels bragging about shooting down a Ukrainian aircraft until one of his comrades advises him that it was a passenger plane. The he turns the conversation to something about them being spies. It was Russian missiles that brought the plane down.

Why was the plane diverted into that air corridor and who did it ?

 

[R.C. Christian]

The chief prodder in the last year has been the U.S., under the aegis of Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. As became evident from a phone conversation between her and Geoffrey Pyatt, the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, the U.S. was deeply involved in the machinations that led to the ouster of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, deciding, for example, which of the various opposition leaders should and shouldn't accept a post in the government, how to get the U.N. on board, and when Vice President Biden should get involved behind the scenes to embolden the insurrection.

Read more: West not blameless in Flight 17 disaster over Ukraine | TheHill
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Thank you for mentioning that. That is the smoking gun. I was too lazy to post that obvious information.