Zone1 Virginity and Sexual Promiscuity

[DGS49]

As a 75 year old man, this subject is far off my normal radar screen, but I occasionally see comms by young adults on the subjects of virginity and sex. Through a process that I missed, I occasionally get "reddit" communications on the topic of "Am I the Asshole?"

When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's, girls and boys were taught that sex outside marriage was sinful, and should be avoided. As a further inducement, it was mentioned that sex often results in pregnancy, and in some cases, even a "social disease." This latter point was merely a footnote, since even if we were fooling around it would not be with people who were promiscuous or who patronized prostitutes. But at the time, there were no birth control pills and abortion was simply not an option. If you got pregnant, you had better come up with a husband, or your father would.

But the basic admonishment, to girls in particular, was, this is sinful, it is immoral, and sex is something you can look forward to when you get married. It was also widely considered that young men might not want to marry a young woman who was not a virgin, and believe me, this was a real concern. It was rare but not unheard of for a marriage proposal to be revoked (or whatever) when the man learned that the woman was not a virgin.

Among my own friends, while few couples were both virgins when they got married, for about half of them their girlfriend/fiance/wife was their first sexual partner. (And last, if you want to know the truth).

Are girls today even told that promiscuous sex is immoral, or sinful, or even unethical? Would a parent today even have a basis for telling his daughter such a thing? With no religion, on what would that admonishment be based? Seriously. If she "takes precautions," what do parents say to them to deter them from sexual promiscuity...when heading off to college, for example?

Or do they even give a shit?

 

[alang1216]

As a 75 year old man, this subject is far off my normal radar screen, but I occasionally see comms by young adults on the subjects of virginity and sex. Through a process that I missed, I occasionally get "reddit" communications on the topic of "Am I the Asshole?"

When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's, girls and boys were taught that sex outside marriage was sinful, and should be avoided. As a further inducement, it was mentioned that sex often results in pregnancy, and in some cases, even a "social disease." This latter point was merely a footnote, since even if we were fooling around it would not be with people who were promiscuous or who patronized prostitutes. But at the time, there were no birth control pills and abortion was simply not an option. If you got pregnant, you had better come up with a husband, or your father would.

But the basic admonishment, to girls in particular, was, this is sinful, it is immoral, and sex is something you can look forward to when you get married. It was also widely considered that young men might not want to marry a young woman who was not a virgin, and believe me, this was a real concern. It was rare but not unheard of for a marriage proposal to be revoked (or whatever) when the man learned that the woman was not a virgin.

Among my own friends, while few couples were both virgins when they got married, for about half of them their girlfriend/fiance/wife was their first sexual partner. (And last, if you want to know the truth).

Are girls today even told that promiscuous sex is immoral, or sinful, or even unethical? Would a parent today even have a basis for telling his daughter such a thing? With no religion, on what would that admonishment be based? Seriously. If she "takes precautions," what do parents say to them to deter them from sexual promiscuity...when heading off to college, for example?

Or do they even give a shit?

How many partners does it take to be promiscuous? Most of my peers lived together before marriage, I did, and I'm only a little younger than you. I strongly encouraged my daughter to live with her boy friend before they married since it carries no sigma anymore and probably avoids many a divorce.

 

[BreezeWood]

When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's, girls and boys were taught that sex outside marriage was sinful, and should be avoided.

those four, mary jseph jesus and mary m were heavenly exemplars, the 1st century events - as a direct repudiation of judaism and the false commandments claimed by the liar moses ...

jesus is the religion of love, the religion of antiquity - as to repudiate all three desert religions of servitude and denial.

those who outlaw love are the greatest sinners of all - 49.

 

[Votto]

As a 75 year old man, this subject is far off my normal radar screen, but I occasionally see comms by young adults on the subjects of virginity and sex. Through a process that I missed, I occasionally get "reddit" communications on the topic of "Am I the Asshole?"

When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's, girls and boys were taught that sex outside marriage was sinful, and should be avoided. As a further inducement, it was mentioned that sex often results in pregnancy, and in some cases, even a "social disease." This latter point was merely a footnote, since even if we were fooling around it would not be with people who were promiscuous or who patronized prostitutes. But at the time, there were no birth control pills and abortion was simply not an option. If you got pregnant, you had better come up with a husband, or your father would.

But the basic admonishment, to girls in particular, was, this is sinful, it is immoral, and sex is something you can look forward to when you get married. It was also widely considered that young men might not want to marry a young woman who was not a virgin, and believe me, this was a real concern. It was rare but not unheard of for a marriage proposal to be revoked (or whatever) when the man learned that the woman was not a virgin.

Among my own friends, while few couples were both virgins when they got married, for about half of them their girlfriend/fiance/wife was their first sexual partner. (And last, if you want to know the truth).

Are girls today even told that promiscuous sex is immoral, or sinful, or even unethical? Would a parent today even have a basis for telling his daughter such a thing? With no religion, on what would that admonishment be based? Seriously. If she "takes precautions," what do parents say to them to deter them from sexual promiscuity...when heading off to college, for example?

Or do they even give a shit?

It all comes down to wisdom on how to live one's life.

Where do people get their wisdom?

Mine comes from my faith.

I can stand there all day and debate with the serpent as to whether taking a bite of the apple is beneficial for me or harmful, but only God knows the real truth.

 

[g5000]

How many partners does it take to be promiscuous? Most of my peers lived together before marriage, I did, and I'm only a little younger than you. I strongly encouraged my daughter to live with her boy friend before they married since it carries no sigma anymore and probably avoids many a divorce.

I take the opposite stance. Living together cheapens marriage. It becomes just a piece of paper.

 

[g5000]

As a 75 year old man, this subject is far off my normal radar screen, but I occasionally see comms by young adults on the subjects of virginity and sex. Through a process that I missed, I occasionally get "reddit" communications on the topic of "Am I the Asshole?"

When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's, girls and boys were taught that sex outside marriage was sinful, and should be avoided. As a further inducement, it was mentioned that sex often results in pregnancy, and in some cases, even a "social disease." This latter point was merely a footnote, since even if we were fooling around it would not be with people who were promiscuous or who patronized prostitutes. But at the time, there were no birth control pills and abortion was simply not an option. If you got pregnant, you had better come up with a husband, or your father would.

But the basic admonishment, to girls in particular, was, this is sinful, it is immoral, and sex is something you can look forward to when you get married. It was also widely considered that young men might not want to marry a young woman who was not a virgin, and believe me, this was a real concern. It was rare but not unheard of for a marriage proposal to be revoked (or whatever) when the man learned that the woman was not a virgin.

Among my own friends, while few couples were both virgins when they got married, for about half of them their girlfriend/fiance/wife was their first sexual partner. (And last, if you want to know the truth).

Are girls today even told that promiscuous sex is immoral, or sinful, or even unethical? Would a parent today even have a basis for telling his daughter such a thing? With no religion, on what would that admonishment be based? Seriously. If she "takes precautions," what do parents say to them to deter them from sexual promiscuity...when heading off to college, for example?

Or do they even give a shit?

Well, old timer, I would bet there was just as much sex and promiscuity going on in your day as there is now.

It was just kept under wraps.

Abortions could be had, and were, in the privacy of a doctor's office. There were about as many abortions before Roe v. Wade as after. And I mean legal abortions.

As for "social diseases", they were also rampant, going back centuries. Syphilis killed more people than AIDS.

It was all hush-hush.

For example, JFK was a philanderer, but the media kept it quiet. Fast forward to Bill Clinton getting blowjobs in the Oval Office, and it made headlines all around the planet. I mean literally. I was in Greece when it hit the papers there.

 

[Muhammed]

Are girls today even told that promiscuous sex is immoral, or sinful, or even unethical?

Most people think it's good wholesome fun.

 

[alang1216]

I take the opposite stance. Living together cheapens marriage. It becomes just a piece of paper.

In my opinion, it is divorce and single parenthood that cheapens marriage:

What Percent of Marriages End in Divorce? According to the American Psychological Association, approximately 40-50% of first marriages end in divorce. The divorce rate for second marriages is even higher, with approximately 60-67% of second marriages ending in divorce.​

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We're obviously doing something wrong:

In 2022, there were over 23 million children living in single-parent families in the U.S. This is more than three times the rate of children in other countries.​

 

[DGS49]

While I haven't seen the latest data, in the past, couples who lived together were no less likely to get divorced after marriage than couples who waited until they were married. In fact, the opposite was the case.

In my son's generation (he was born in '82), essentially all of his contemporaries lived together before marriage and every one of them is divorced, including him.

My question wasn't whether YOU find sexual promiscuity to be fine and dandy, but how you would address the issue with your daughters, real and imaginary? I have two grand-daughters, 10 and 12, and both seem to be prematurely "boy crazy," a fact that makes me uneasy, to say the least. The 12 is biologically an adult.

 

[Votto]

While I haven't seen the latest data, in the past, couples who lived together were no less likely to get divorced after marriage than couples who waited until they were married. In fact, the opposite was the case.

In my son's generation (he was born in '82), essentially all of his contemporaries lived together before marriage and every one of them is divorced, including him.

My question wasn't whether YOU find sexual promiscuity to be fine and dandy, but how you would address the issue with your daughters, real and imaginary? I have two grand-daughters, 10 and 12, and both seem to be prematurely "boy crazy," a fact that makes me uneasy, to say the least. The 12 is biologically an adult.

Christians who practice their faith have a lower divorce rate than pretty much any other group within society.

Is the divorce rate among Christians truly the same as among non-Christians? | GotQuestions.org

Is the divorce rate among Christians truly the same as among non-Christians? Do Christians get divorced just as often as non-Christians?

www.gotquestions.org

Partnering with George Barna, Feldhahn reexamined the data pertaining to the divorce rate among Christians and found that the numbers were based on survey-takers who identified as “Christian” rather than some other religion. Under that broad classification, respondents were as likely as anyone else to have been divorced. The “Christian” category included people who profess a belief system but do not live a committed lifestyle. However, for those who were active in their church, the divorce rate was 27 to 50 percent lower than for non-churchgoers. Nominal Christians—those who simply call themselves “Christians” but do not actively engage with the faith—are actually 20 percent more likely than the general population to get divorced.

People outside the faith have no idea what love even is. I think many view love as just a feeling, and when it goes away, so should your spouse.

 

[Votto]

Most people think it's good wholesome fun.

People are also very stupid.

 

[luiza]

those four, mary jseph jesus and mary m were heavenly exemplars,

So Mum had at least one affair and suffered delusions of grandeur .
Her bastard son carries that stigma .
Joseph was apparently a forgiving Cuckold.
Mary Magdalene married the illegitimate Jesus ,they had three children and then divorced after both gave up their Essene life .

Wow .
How to get it wrong but still fool the Sheeple .

 

[BreezeWood]

How to get it wrong but still fool the Sheeple .

who would that be ...

the exemplars were openly who they were and blessed by the heavens for their repudiation of moses and his false commandments, judaism.

could you be referring to yourself, the dishonesty association for your post - as well all three desert religions.

 

[Mac-7]

How many partners does it take to be promiscuous? Most of my peers lived together before marriage, I did, and I'm only a little younger than you. I strongly encouraged my daughter to live with her boy friend before they married since it carries no sigma anymore and probably avoids many a divorce.

Your attitude is part of the general decline of morality

 

[alang1216]

Your attitude is part of the general decline of morality

"Decline" is your word, 'maturing' would be mine. My daughter is still married after 10 years (not including the time they lived together) while the US average length of marriage is only 8 years.

 

[initforme]

All of these posts equate to why it's a wise idea to get married later in life. Take time to work, save, build up financial stability. The idea of getting married in one's twenties, starting from scratch, is a bad idea. 35 is a good age. Even 38.

 

[alang1216]

All of these posts equate to why it's a wise idea to get married later in life. Take time to work, save, build up financial stability. The idea of getting married in one's twenties, starting from scratch, is a bad idea. 35 is a good age. Even 38.

No so great an idea if you want kids.

 

[initforme]

No so great an idea if you want kids.

Having kids without a 6 figure next egg to help raise them is a contributor to divorce. Then the kids suffer through the process. The old 2 20 year Olds starting from nothing is slowly but surely losing it's grip. It's very hard for someone in their 20s to be ready for marriage and kids.

 

[initforme]

The number of marriages is declining. There's alot more single people in their 30s and 40s than ever.

 

[alang1216]

Having kids without a 6 figure next egg to help raise them is a contributor to divorce. Then the kids suffer through the process. The old 2 20 year Olds starting from nothing is slowly but surely losing it's grip. It's very hard for someone in their 20s to be ready for marriage and kids.

Money makes life easier but not having it is only a problem in your mind.