Warren Commission was correct........Oswald acted alone

[hunarcy]

One JFK conspiracy theory that could be true - CNN

 

[MacTheKnife]

What do Dick Gregory, Lyndon B. Johnson and Víctor Marchetti all have in common? All three have expressed doubts about the accuracy of the Warren Commission report. Seventy percent of the American public agree according to a Harris poll. The Commission reached the conclusión that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, fired three shots killing John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1 963. mÊm Ten years after the assassination in Dallas, pressure is mounting for reopening the investigation which branded Oswald a lone assassin. "Oswald is one of the most hated figures in American history," says former Central Intelligence Agency employee George O'Toole in his new book, The Assassination Tapes (Penthouse Press). "While critics of the Warren Commission f ind receptive and sympathetic audiences to hear their arguments, one proclaims Oswald innocent at his own peril." O'Toole's book is just one of the current pieces of evidence which has aroused speculation on the accuracy of the Warren report. Using a Psychological Stress Evahiator (PSE), a sort of Me detector which probes theeeporters spoken word, O'Toole analyzed tapes of a press conference following Oswald's arrest in Dallas ten years ago. Based on PSE , "I didn't shoot anybody, no sir." O'Toole work checked by two other evaluations, LeeHarvey Oswald was telling the truth when he stated to rxperts who validifitd his findings. The PSE shows Oswald was innocent. All three weramazede . "The charge that Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy has gained widespread acceptance, even in the face of widespread doubts about the Warren report," writes O'Toole. "Ten years after the event, even most skeptics doubted only that 'Oswald acted alone.' " Some of the "skeptics" have never doubted Oswald's nnocence. Mark Lane s probably the best known of the assassination researchers challenging the Commission conclusions. A prominent lawyer, Mark Lane proposed to the Commission that he represent Oswald during the hearings. Hired by Oswald's mother, Lane hoped to cross examine witnesses to assure the accused got a trial [since Oswald would never be given a formal trial, due to his murder by Jack Ruby] . The seven member presidential commission under the guidance of Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Earl Warren, refused Lane's request. When Lane's protests seemed to be stirring some controversy over the Commission's methods, they did consent to give Lane a chance to testify. This permitted his evidence to become part of the official record, although it seemed to have little other influence on the Commission. "There s one conclusión the Warren Commission reached which is an accurate conclusión," Mark Lane recently told an Ann Arbor audience at Hill Auditorium. "That was that Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald. You may recall this took place on national televisión, and would have been hard even for the Commission to deny." WM he Warren Commission published twenty-six volumes of testimony, as well as their 888 page report which found Oswald guilty of firing the murder weapon. In addition to all the published material, much nformation, including secret government files and every piece of scrap paper from the Commission is filed in the National Archives, most of it is where the public cannot see it. But for all the published "evidence," Lane makes a case that the report was a coverup, particularly since so much material s secret and unpublished. "An example of what the Commission did choose to publish is the dental chart showing the condition in 1938 of Jack Ruby's mother's teeth," Lane told the chuckling audience. "I suggest that would not have been relevant even if the Commission concluded Ruby had bitten Oswald to death." "Unfortunately, the Commission decided to suppress a lot of the basic evidence," Lane continued. "I said in 1964 that in my opinión, six of the members of the Commission were accessories after the fact of the murder of John F. Kennedy because they heard enough of the evidence to understand what took place. They suppressed basic evidence and that's what an accessory after the fact is. " "I said at the time that there was one member of the Commission who seemed so completely conf used by the evidence that I could think of a defense for him. He was a congressman from Michigan named Gerald Ford." Why Ford? "I quoted a man named Hubert Hamburg, the World's Olympic rifle champion," recounts Lane of nis testimony before the Warren Commission. "I said this man said the weapon the Commission claimed Oswald used was not capable of that kind of performance." [Oswald fjred three shots in 5.6 seconds hitting the President twice according to off icial report.] "And Ford looked up and said, 'Hamburg? Is that man a foreigner?' "That was the only question he asked me in the two days I testified before the Commission. He was right on the target. I had to admit the man was born in Austria, and that wiped out that point." erald Ford was so impressed by the findings of the Warren Commission that in 1965 he wrote a book, Porimii of the Assassin. He describes the book as a non-fiction novel revealing the outer and inner lives of Lee Harvey Oswald. "I wish they wou ld try one of those Psychological Stress Evaluators- the lie thing where you listen to their voice- on him," said Florynce Kennedy, lawyer and radical feminist, to an Ann Arbor audience-. "You get smilin' whitey sayin' "I was a member of the Warren Commission and we were very careful...' " Fio Kennedy was extremely critical of the Warren Commission and government lying. "That death became quite a pile of shit," she told a predominatly female audience at Rackham Assembly Hall. "It isn't something you could just brush over like say Fred Hampton's or Mark Clark's deaths" [both murdered Black Panthers] . But under the FrceJom of Information Act, some of that information has gradually been released from the Archives as researchers have sued the government for it. Last month, Harold Weisberg obtained results from chemical tests made by the F.B.I. in 1964 which show all bullets recovered from Dealey Plaza could not have come from one rifle. According to the Warren report, one of the three shots attributed to Oswald went astray, hitting a curb in the front of the presidential limousine. Results of the test indícate the FBI experts were unable to find any copper on the curb which was struck. Since all of Oswald's alleged bullets were copper jacketed, at least one bullet doesn't match the shells found in the Texas School Book Depository Building. Deputy Sheriff Ed "Buddy" Walthers also found evidence of a bullet different from those which came from the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle attributed to Oswald. He discovered a bullet he identif ied as a .45 caliber slug across from where Kennedy was shot. Before he could piek it up, an unknown man approached him and the city pólice near him, saying "get the fuck out of here." That was the last heard of the bullet which was the wrong caliber for the Italian rifle. According to the Dallas Iconoclast, the bullet was found across from a manhole where one witness had reported seeing smoke following the shooting on November 22, 1963. Walthers, like so many witnesses whose evidence contradicts official findings, died under somewhat mysterious circumstances in I969. Sent to apprehend an escaped convict, he was somehow shot in the back after opening a door to the convict's motel room in a Serpico- like shootout. eorge OToole also adds to the legends about the Dallas law enforcement officials and their investigation of the assassination. In The Assassinatiqn I Tapes, a number of Texan cops teil stories about events surrounding the assassination which disagree with their official testimony before the Commission, and even disagree with each other. Using PSE analysis, O'Toole found that none of them are telling the truth. For example, when Oswald was arrested the pólice claimed he was carrying identif ication in his own name plus that of Alex Hidell. This did not appear in the official reports they f iled, but did come up during the testimony before the Commission. The significance revolves around the fact that the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was ordered from a mail order house in Chicago by Alex Hidell. The supposed phony ID linked Oswald to the gun. Were there other rifles f red in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963? One frame in the Zapruder film (the eighteen second home movie shot by Abraham Zapruder which shows Kennedy being struck) seems to show a rifleman hidden in a clump of bushes. The film, purchased by Life mmediately following the assassination, had not been seen publicly until recently when "underground" copies became available to researchers. The film has been shown several times in the past few weeks on televisión, including on ABC's national late night show Goodnight, Aimriva. and the local I.ou Gordon Show. The most strik ing scène in the film shows Kennedy's head being blown up and thrown violently backward, seeming to indícate that not all the bullets came from behind as the Warren report claims. On the hou Gordpn Show, one Commission critic claimed two other pictures taken in Dealey Plaza that day also show the same shadow figure with a rifle. But Mr. Jenner, one of the senior lawyers working on the Warren Commission, argued with the researcher that no such image showed in the original. According to Jenner, the Commission examined the film "under a microscope" and found no evidence of another assassin. Jenner defended the Commission report and accused the researchers of being "sensationalists.... who have no responsibility to the American people." He claimed the public wanted to believe the report, but were being misled. The Zapruder film is now being processed at Cornell University under a process known as image enhancement. Using a computer, the technique can bring pictures and shadow images into ful Ier H focus. Cornell is supposedly centrating on the frame showing the assassin in the bushes. efenders of the Waren Commission report are finally attempting to answer charges by critics. But recent reports showing that former President Lyndon Johnson doubted the results have further eroded public confidence. Washington columnist Marianne Means revealed last month that Johnson had confided to Joseph Califano, his chief of staff, that Johnson doubted Oswald had acted alone. He suggested Oswald may have been acting under orders from Fidel Castro in retaliation for CIA plots to assassinate the Cuban premiere. The story is backed by a CBS video clip of an interview done shortly before Johnson's death. In an interview with Walter Cronkite, Johnson admitted he never quite accepted the finding that Oswald acted alone. He did not "completely discount" international connections. "There's not any hard evidence that Oswald was directed by a foreign government ..but was quite a mysterious person," Johnson stated. The clip, part of a longer interview, had never been released before as Johnson had asked for its deletion based on "national security." "There is no evidence for that theory," said one assassination researcher. "In fact, the evidence shows it's more likely our own CIA was involved in the Kennedy assassination." The Johnson interview gives credence to the possibility that the Warren Commission was convinced, perhaps by the CIA, not to delve too deeply into the Kennedy assassination. "National security" was at stake, and a coverup was necessary. But rather than reveal what Johnson feared, a thorough investigation would have exposed CIA and FBI operations years before Watergate or the "new left". "If Earl Warren was convinced that Oswald's act could start World War III, he probably would have agreed to a coverup," suggested the researcher. IMS ■ Hith so many recent revelations of governmental ■ coverups, whitewashes and direct lies, many AmerBgf icans now accept the idea that the Warren report should be reopened to reveal the whole truth. Too much evidence indicates the Warren Commission did not follow up all the leads. A bilí introduced into the House of Representatives sponsored by eleven representatives, is calling for a new investigation. The bilí proposes a joint House-Senate committee structured like the Senate Watergate committee to run a public investigation. Individuals can pressure Congress to reopen the investigation by writing to their representatives. A public investigation will resolve the unanswered questions, and most likely continue the exposé of the CIA and FBI. If you want to f ind out more about the assassination and the Wanen Commission coverup, some books like Mark Lane's are still available in libraries. The University of Michigan has the Warren report stored in the Rare Book Room, but it can be read with the help of a student ID card. The Assassination Tapes, just published last month, is exciting reading and an interesting introduction to the subject. Definitely bound for the best seller lists, it is available for $8.95 at Brairwood (none of the campus stores had t at press time). The SUN will continue to run ameles, and cali for a reopening of the assassination investigation, not only of the J.F.K. killing, but all the killings and attempted murders from Malcolm X to Robert Kennedy which have altered the political process in this country. This article is the third on the killing in Dallas. If you missed the first two, (Nov. 22 and Dec. 6, 1974), we still have copies available. Send 50 cents per copy to our office, and we will send them to you. "Six of the members of the Warren Commission were accessories after the fact of the murder of John F. Kennedy because they heard enough of the evidence to understand what took place." -Mark Lane "If Earl Warren was convinced, perhaps by the CIA, that Oswald's act could have started World War III, he probably would have agreed to a coverup." -an inforrned sou ree ■!!. ■KMMMtMnW I dldnft_L uhoot anybody J no Ir The PSE voice an, told the t Assdssínation continued from page 15 John Conally himself claims he was not hit until after the first shot hit Kennedy, thus indicating this theory could not be ture. In addition, the bullet the Com- mission claimed accomplished this feat is in near perfect condition. A shot fired into the wrist of a cadáver as an experiment was flattened in half. Silencing the witnesses. In the past decade, more than forty people connected with the assassination have died strangely. Eighteen material witnesses died even sooner after the event- 5 of natural causes, and 13 were the victims of accident, suicide or murder, ncluding one man who feil through a píate glass window. Of the fifteen material witnesses dead by 1967, an actuary determined the odds against those people being dead were 100 rillion to one. If Oswald acted alone, why the mysterious deaths? Jack Ruby, Oswald's murderer told Earl Warren he wanted to talk, but couldn't while he was held n a Texas prison because he feared for his life. Ruby also told a psychiatrist before his death that he was part of a conspiracy, but the psychiatrist decided on this one matter alone, Ruby was insane. Crucial evidence, including the brain of John Kennedy which was supposed to be n the National Archives, has completely disappeared. Recently, retired Air Forcé Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, who revealed he had helped arrange air transport for a CIA '■ nation team to kill Castro, studied the Commission's case that there was no conspiracy in the JFK killing. "Scientifically, [their theory] just can't work," he said. "To carry out what was carried out in Dallas would have required more than one individual operating by himself." And finally, the Commission itself. In 1975, a Commission so constituted would be considered less than trustworthy, knowing of past governmental coverups. On the Warren Commission were a former CIA CIA director. Allen Dulles; head of the hawkish Senate Armed Services subcommittee, Richard Russell; former head of the .Off ice of Strategie Services (the WWI forerunner of the CIA) John J. McCloy, and of course, Gerald R. Ford.

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Claims were made but no proof was offered.

You have no proof Oswald pulled the trigger.

You have no proof Oswald ever bought a rifle.

You have no proof Oswald was in possession that day of the rifle in question.

You have no proof Oswald even brought a rifle to the book depository.

You have no rational motive for Oswald to even want to kill JFK who had been sanctioned by the Communist party....oswald being a marxist was not likely to go against the party.

The only rational motive For Ruby to kill Oswald was to silence him forever....and thus prevent a real trial from happening....which undoubtedly would have shed the light of truth on the whole matter.

And.....do not forge the congressional body that said the Warren Report was wrong.

Do not forget the death bed confession Mr. Hunt cia guy of watergate fame who said look to who benefited from the assassination....thus implicating LBJ.

Do not forget the death bed statement of Santos Trafficante....mob guy who said we should have killed Robert not John.

Do not the forget the incredible and very detailed confession of James Files who admitted to his role and who left a souvenir behind on the grassy knowl that was found years later....the cartridge shell of the bullet he fired to kill Kennedy and which he bit and left on a fence post....a personal signature of his as a professional hitman for the mob. etc.etc.etc.

And the story I just read for the first time about a stress test analysis of Oswald's voice that revealed he was telling the truth when he said he was just a patsy.

JFK Assassination Records Review Board Releases Top Secret Records

JFKCountercoup2: Kermit L. Hall on JFK Assassination Records

Coffin Used for JFK Dumped at Sea in 1965, Records Show
May 29, 1999 | Associated Press
A bronze coffin used to transport President Kennedy's body from Dallas to Washington was dropped from a military plane into the ocean two years after he was killed, according to assassination documents. "Apparently the casket is in 9,000 feet of water in the Atlantic Ocean," Kermit L. Hall, a member of the defunct Assassination Records Review Board, said in a telephone interview Friday night

You have no proof Oswald didn't pull the trigger.

You have no proof that someone else bought the rifle.

You have no proof that Oswald didn't possess his rifle that day.

You have no proof that Oswald DIDN'T have the rifle at the Texas School Book Depository.

You have nothing to show that Oswald wouldn't go against the will of the Communist Party.

You can't prove that Ruby HAD a rational motive to kill Oswald. He said he was overcome by emotion, not logic.

And, do not forget that the only reason the HSCA said there was a conspiracy was the "audio evidence", which was subsequently shown to be faulty.

And do not forget that E. Howard Hunt was such a liar that not even his son believed his death bed confession was true.

And do not forget that there is no proof that Santos Trafficante killed Kennedy. In fact there is MUCH more proof that Oswald did the assassination alone than that Trafficante had a hand in it.

And do not forget that Abraham Zapruder and his secretary was less than 20 feet from the picket fence and would have heard a shot fired from that position, but didn't because no one shot from that position.

Why don't you post a link to the evidence concerning that "voice stress test" so we can all judge for ourselves if the test was valid or if the ambient noise on the tape might have contaminated the test? There was no link in your post.

As far as the coffin is concerned, while I wouldn't have dumped it, it was RFK's choice.

"It was two years after the assassination and the casket was being stored in a vault at the National Archives in Washington. Concerned it might fall into the hands of sensation seekers, the late president's brother, Robert, told Archives officials: "What I would like to have done is take it to sea."

JFK's Coffin Dumped At Sea

I guess he was trying to keep it away from people like you.

As is well known....the burden of proof regarding Oswald's guilt was on the state...and as a defender of the state's accusation of guilt ---then the burden of proof in this discussion regarding Oswalds guilt is also upon you.....all you do when asked for proof is to demand proof....that is not the way it works boyo....either show your hand aka the 'proof' that oswald actually pulled the trigger on the rifle that killed kennedy or fold your hand aka......just walk away as gracefully as possible.

 

[MacTheKnife]

The biggest problem with the Warren Report and one that absolutely dubunks their accusation of Oswald's being a lone wolf who killed JFK for no rational reason was the fact that the Warren Commision engaged in a criminal conspiracy from the start, involving the destruction of top-secret documents and photographs, the silencing of witnesses and whistleblowers, and the wholesale suborning of perjury – to cover up the truth about what the government had known in advance about Oswald and the clear threat he had posed to one man: President Kennedy.



Could the Secret Service Have Saved J.F.K.?

 

[MacTheKnife]

Oswald's Mossad Friend | From the Trenches World Report

 

[hunarcy]

What do Dick Gregory, Lyndon B. Johnson and Víctor Marchetti all have in common? All three have expressed doubts about the accuracy of the Warren Commission report. Seventy percent of the American public agree according to a Harris poll. The Commission reached the conclusión that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, fired three shots killing John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1 963. mÊm Ten years after the assassination in Dallas, pressure is mounting for reopening the investigation which branded Oswald a lone assassin. "Oswald is one of the most hated figures in American history," says former Central Intelligence Agency employee George O'Toole in his new book, The Assassination Tapes (Penthouse Press). "While critics of the Warren Commission f ind receptive and sympathetic audiences to hear their arguments, one proclaims Oswald innocent at his own peril." O'Toole's book is just one of the current pieces of evidence which has aroused speculation on the accuracy of the Warren report. Using a Psychological Stress Evahiator (PSE), a sort of Me detector which probes theeeporters spoken word, O'Toole analyzed tapes of a press conference following Oswald's arrest in Dallas ten years ago. Based on PSE , "I didn't shoot anybody, no sir." O'Toole work checked by two other evaluations, LeeHarvey Oswald was telling the truth when he stated to rxperts who validifitd his findings. The PSE shows Oswald was innocent. All three weramazede . "The charge that Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy has gained widespread acceptance, even in the face of widespread doubts about the Warren report," writes O'Toole. "Ten years after the event, even most skeptics doubted only that 'Oswald acted alone.' " Some of the "skeptics" have never doubted Oswald's nnocence. Mark Lane s probably the best known of the assassination researchers challenging the Commission conclusions. A prominent lawyer, Mark Lane proposed to the Commission that he represent Oswald during the hearings. Hired by Oswald's mother, Lane hoped to cross examine witnesses to assure the accused got a trial [since Oswald would never be given a formal trial, due to his murder by Jack Ruby] . The seven member presidential commission under the guidance of Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Earl Warren, refused Lane's request. When Lane's protests seemed to be stirring some controversy over the Commission's methods, they did consent to give Lane a chance to testify. This permitted his evidence to become part of the official record, although it seemed to have little other influence on the Commission. "There s one conclusión the Warren Commission reached which is an accurate conclusión," Mark Lane recently told an Ann Arbor audience at Hill Auditorium. "That was that Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald. You may recall this took place on national televisión, and would have been hard even for the Commission to deny." WM he Warren Commission published twenty-six volumes of testimony, as well as their 888 page report which found Oswald guilty of firing the murder weapon. In addition to all the published material, much nformation, including secret government files and every piece of scrap paper from the Commission is filed in the National Archives, most of it is where the public cannot see it. But for all the published "evidence," Lane makes a case that the report was a coverup, particularly since so much material s secret and unpublished. "An example of what the Commission did choose to publish is the dental chart showing the condition in 1938 of Jack Ruby's mother's teeth," Lane told the chuckling audience. "I suggest that would not have been relevant even if the Commission concluded Ruby had bitten Oswald to death." "Unfortunately, the Commission decided to suppress a lot of the basic evidence," Lane continued. "I said in 1964 that in my opinión, six of the members of the Commission were accessories after the fact of the murder of John F. Kennedy because they heard enough of the evidence to understand what took place. They suppressed basic evidence and that's what an accessory after the fact is. " "I said at the time that there was one member of the Commission who seemed so completely conf used by the evidence that I could think of a defense for him. He was a congressman from Michigan named Gerald Ford." Why Ford? "I quoted a man named Hubert Hamburg, the World's Olympic rifle champion," recounts Lane of nis testimony before the Warren Commission. "I said this man said the weapon the Commission claimed Oswald used was not capable of that kind of performance." [Oswald fjred three shots in 5.6 seconds hitting the President twice according to off icial report.] "And Ford looked up and said, 'Hamburg? Is that man a foreigner?' "That was the only question he asked me in the two days I testified before the Commission. He was right on the target. I had to admit the man was born in Austria, and that wiped out that point." erald Ford was so impressed by the findings of the Warren Commission that in 1965 he wrote a book, Porimii of the Assassin. He describes the book as a non-fiction novel revealing the outer and inner lives of Lee Harvey Oswald. "I wish they wou ld try one of those Psychological Stress Evaluators- the lie thing where you listen to their voice- on him," said Florynce Kennedy, lawyer and radical feminist, to an Ann Arbor audience-. "You get smilin' whitey sayin' "I was a member of the Warren Commission and we were very careful...' " Fio Kennedy was extremely critical of the Warren Commission and government lying. "That death became quite a pile of shit," she told a predominatly female audience at Rackham Assembly Hall. "It isn't something you could just brush over like say Fred Hampton's or Mark Clark's deaths" [both murdered Black Panthers] . But under the FrceJom of Information Act, some of that information has gradually been released from the Archives as researchers have sued the government for it. Last month, Harold Weisberg obtained results from chemical tests made by the F.B.I. in 1964 which show all bullets recovered from Dealey Plaza could not have come from one rifle. According to the Warren report, one of the three shots attributed to Oswald went astray, hitting a curb in the front of the presidential limousine. Results of the test indícate the FBI experts were unable to find any copper on the curb which was struck. Since all of Oswald's alleged bullets were copper jacketed, at least one bullet doesn't match the shells found in the Texas School Book Depository Building. Deputy Sheriff Ed "Buddy" Walthers also found evidence of a bullet different from those which came from the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle attributed to Oswald. He discovered a bullet he identif ied as a .45 caliber slug across from where Kennedy was shot. Before he could piek it up, an unknown man approached him and the city pólice near him, saying "get the fuck out of here." That was the last heard of the bullet which was the wrong caliber for the Italian rifle. According to the Dallas Iconoclast, the bullet was found across from a manhole where one witness had reported seeing smoke following the shooting on November 22, 1963. Walthers, like so many witnesses whose evidence contradicts official findings, died under somewhat mysterious circumstances in I969. Sent to apprehend an escaped convict, he was somehow shot in the back after opening a door to the convict's motel room in a Serpico- like shootout. eorge OToole also adds to the legends about the Dallas law enforcement officials and their investigation of the assassination. In The Assassinatiqn I Tapes, a number of Texan cops teil stories about events surrounding the assassination which disagree with their official testimony before the Commission, and even disagree with each other. Using PSE analysis, O'Toole found that none of them are telling the truth. For example, when Oswald was arrested the pólice claimed he was carrying identif ication in his own name plus that of Alex Hidell. This did not appear in the official reports they f iled, but did come up during the testimony before the Commission. The significance revolves around the fact that the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was ordered from a mail order house in Chicago by Alex Hidell. The supposed phony ID linked Oswald to the gun. Were there other rifles f red in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963? One frame in the Zapruder film (the eighteen second home movie shot by Abraham Zapruder which shows Kennedy being struck) seems to show a rifleman hidden in a clump of bushes. The film, purchased by Life mmediately following the assassination, had not been seen publicly until recently when "underground" copies became available to researchers. The film has been shown several times in the past few weeks on televisión, including on ABC's national late night show Goodnight, Aimriva. and the local I.ou Gordon Show. The most strik ing scène in the film shows Kennedy's head being blown up and thrown violently backward, seeming to indícate that not all the bullets came from behind as the Warren report claims. On the hou Gordpn Show, one Commission critic claimed two other pictures taken in Dealey Plaza that day also show the same shadow figure with a rifle. But Mr. Jenner, one of the senior lawyers working on the Warren Commission, argued with the researcher that no such image showed in the original. According to Jenner, the Commission examined the film "under a microscope" and found no evidence of another assassin. Jenner defended the Commission report and accused the researchers of being "sensationalists.... who have no responsibility to the American people." He claimed the public wanted to believe the report, but were being misled. The Zapruder film is now being processed at Cornell University under a process known as image enhancement. Using a computer, the technique can bring pictures and shadow images into ful Ier H focus. Cornell is supposedly centrating on the frame showing the assassin in the bushes. efenders of the Waren Commission report are finally attempting to answer charges by critics. But recent reports showing that former President Lyndon Johnson doubted the results have further eroded public confidence. Washington columnist Marianne Means revealed last month that Johnson had confided to Joseph Califano, his chief of staff, that Johnson doubted Oswald had acted alone. He suggested Oswald may have been acting under orders from Fidel Castro in retaliation for CIA plots to assassinate the Cuban premiere. The story is backed by a CBS video clip of an interview done shortly before Johnson's death. In an interview with Walter Cronkite, Johnson admitted he never quite accepted the finding that Oswald acted alone. He did not "completely discount" international connections. "There's not any hard evidence that Oswald was directed by a foreign government ..but was quite a mysterious person," Johnson stated. The clip, part of a longer interview, had never been released before as Johnson had asked for its deletion based on "national security." "There is no evidence for that theory," said one assassination researcher. "In fact, the evidence shows it's more likely our own CIA was involved in the Kennedy assassination." The Johnson interview gives credence to the possibility that the Warren Commission was convinced, perhaps by the CIA, not to delve too deeply into the Kennedy assassination. "National security" was at stake, and a coverup was necessary. But rather than reveal what Johnson feared, a thorough investigation would have exposed CIA and FBI operations years before Watergate or the "new left". "If Earl Warren was convinced that Oswald's act could start World War III, he probably would have agreed to a coverup," suggested the researcher. IMS ■ Hith so many recent revelations of governmental ■ coverups, whitewashes and direct lies, many AmerBgf icans now accept the idea that the Warren report should be reopened to reveal the whole truth. Too much evidence indicates the Warren Commission did not follow up all the leads. A bilí introduced into the House of Representatives sponsored by eleven representatives, is calling for a new investigation. The bilí proposes a joint House-Senate committee structured like the Senate Watergate committee to run a public investigation. Individuals can pressure Congress to reopen the investigation by writing to their representatives. A public investigation will resolve the unanswered questions, and most likely continue the exposé of the CIA and FBI. If you want to f ind out more about the assassination and the Wanen Commission coverup, some books like Mark Lane's are still available in libraries. The University of Michigan has the Warren report stored in the Rare Book Room, but it can be read with the help of a student ID card. The Assassination Tapes, just published last month, is exciting reading and an interesting introduction to the subject. Definitely bound for the best seller lists, it is available for $8.95 at Brairwood (none of the campus stores had t at press time). The SUN will continue to run ameles, and cali for a reopening of the assassination investigation, not only of the J.F.K. killing, but all the killings and attempted murders from Malcolm X to Robert Kennedy which have altered the political process in this country. This article is the third on the killing in Dallas. If you missed the first two, (Nov. 22 and Dec. 6, 1974), we still have copies available. Send 50 cents per copy to our office, and we will send them to you. "Six of the members of the Warren Commission were accessories after the fact of the murder of John F. Kennedy because they heard enough of the evidence to understand what took place." -Mark Lane "If Earl Warren was convinced, perhaps by the CIA, that Oswald's act could have started World War III, he probably would have agreed to a coverup." -an inforrned sou ree ■!!. ■KMMMtMnW I dldnft_L uhoot anybody J no Ir The PSE voice an, told the t Assdssínation continued from page 15 John Conally himself claims he was not hit until after the first shot hit Kennedy, thus indicating this theory could not be ture. In addition, the bullet the Com- mission claimed accomplished this feat is in near perfect condition. A shot fired into the wrist of a cadáver as an experiment was flattened in half. Silencing the witnesses. In the past decade, more than forty people connected with the assassination have died strangely. Eighteen material witnesses died even sooner after the event- 5 of natural causes, and 13 were the victims of accident, suicide or murder, ncluding one man who feil through a píate glass window. Of the fifteen material witnesses dead by 1967, an actuary determined the odds against those people being dead were 100 rillion to one. If Oswald acted alone, why the mysterious deaths? Jack Ruby, Oswald's murderer told Earl Warren he wanted to talk, but couldn't while he was held n a Texas prison because he feared for his life. Ruby also told a psychiatrist before his death that he was part of a conspiracy, but the psychiatrist decided on this one matter alone, Ruby was insane. Crucial evidence, including the brain of John Kennedy which was supposed to be n the National Archives, has completely disappeared. Recently, retired Air Forcé Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, who revealed he had helped arrange air transport for a CIA '■ nation team to kill Castro, studied the Commission's case that there was no conspiracy in the JFK killing. "Scientifically, [their theory] just can't work," he said. "To carry out what was carried out in Dallas would have required more than one individual operating by himself." And finally, the Commission itself. In 1975, a Commission so constituted would be considered less than trustworthy, knowing of past governmental coverups. On the Warren Commission were a former CIA CIA director. Allen Dulles; head of the hawkish Senate Armed Services subcommittee, Richard Russell; former head of the .Off ice of Strategie Services (the WWI forerunner of the CIA) John J. McCloy, and of course, Gerald R. Ford.

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Claims were made but no proof was offered.

You have no proof Oswald pulled the trigger.

You have no proof Oswald ever bought a rifle.

You have no proof Oswald was in possession that day of the rifle in question.

You have no proof Oswald even brought a rifle to the book depository.

You have no rational motive for Oswald to even want to kill JFK who had been sanctioned by the Communist party....oswald being a marxist was not likely to go against the party.

The only rational motive For Ruby to kill Oswald was to silence him forever....and thus prevent a real trial from happening....which undoubtedly would have shed the light of truth on the whole matter.

And.....do not forge the congressional body that said the Warren Report was wrong.

Do not forget the death bed confession Mr. Hunt cia guy of watergate fame who said look to who benefited from the assassination....thus implicating LBJ.

Do not forget the death bed statement of Santos Trafficante....mob guy who said we should have killed Robert not John.

Do not the forget the incredible and very detailed confession of James Files who admitted to his role and who left a souvenir behind on the grassy knowl that was found years later....the cartridge shell of the bullet he fired to kill Kennedy and which he bit and left on a fence post....a personal signature of his as a professional hitman for the mob. etc.etc.etc.

And the story I just read for the first time about a stress test analysis of Oswald's voice that revealed he was telling the truth when he said he was just a patsy.

JFK Assassination Records Review Board Releases Top Secret Records

JFKCountercoup2: Kermit L. Hall on JFK Assassination Records

Coffin Used for JFK Dumped at Sea in 1965, Records Show
May 29, 1999 | Associated Press
A bronze coffin used to transport President Kennedy's body from Dallas to Washington was dropped from a military plane into the ocean two years after he was killed, according to assassination documents. "Apparently the casket is in 9,000 feet of water in the Atlantic Ocean," Kermit L. Hall, a member of the defunct Assassination Records Review Board, said in a telephone interview Friday night

You have no proof Oswald didn't pull the trigger.

You have no proof that someone else bought the rifle.

You have no proof that Oswald didn't possess his rifle that day.

You have no proof that Oswald DIDN'T have the rifle at the Texas School Book Depository.

You have nothing to show that Oswald wouldn't go against the will of the Communist Party.

You can't prove that Ruby HAD a rational motive to kill Oswald. He said he was overcome by emotion, not logic.

And, do not forget that the only reason the HSCA said there was a conspiracy was the "audio evidence", which was subsequently shown to be faulty.

And do not forget that E. Howard Hunt was such a liar that not even his son believed his death bed confession was true.

And do not forget that there is no proof that Santos Trafficante killed Kennedy. In fact there is MUCH more proof that Oswald did the assassination alone than that Trafficante had a hand in it.

And do not forget that Abraham Zapruder and his secretary was less than 20 feet from the picket fence and would have heard a shot fired from that position, but didn't because no one shot from that position.

Why don't you post a link to the evidence concerning that "voice stress test" so we can all judge for ourselves if the test was valid or if the ambient noise on the tape might have contaminated the test? There was no link in your post.

As far as the coffin is concerned, while I wouldn't have dumped it, it was RFK's choice.

"It was two years after the assassination and the casket was being stored in a vault at the National Archives in Washington. Concerned it might fall into the hands of sensation seekers, the late president's brother, Robert, told Archives officials: "What I would like to have done is take it to sea."

JFK's Coffin Dumped At Sea

I guess he was trying to keep it away from people like you.

As is well known....the burden of proof regarding Oswald's guilt was on the state...and as a defender of the state's accusation of guilt ---then the burden of proof in this discussion regarding Oswalds guilt is also upon you.....all you do when asked for proof is to demand proof....that is not the way it works boyo....either show your hand aka the 'proof' that oswald actually pulled the trigger on the rifle that killed kennedy or fold your hand aka......just walk away as gracefully as possible.

Pretty funny to see a conspiracy theory nut asking for proof. But, I will direct your attention to the fact that the paraffin test showed he'd fired a weapon. JFK Assassination Firearms Factoids -- The "Paraffin Test"

Further, if you read this information, you'll appear better educated in the future. It gives the scientific evidence Oswald and the weapons.

Chapter 4

Enjoy your reading, boyo

 

[hunarcy]

The biggest problem with the Warren Report and one that absolutely dubunks their accusation of Oswald's being a lone wolf who killed JFK for no rational reason was the fact that the Warren Commision engaged in a criminal conspiracy from the start, involving the destruction of top-secret documents and photographs, the silencing of witnesses and whistleblowers, and the wholesale suborning of perjury – to cover up the truth about what the government had known in advance about Oswald and the clear threat he had posed to one man: President Kennedy.

Could the Secret Service Have Saved J.F.K.?

Weren't you just demanding proof? Why are you making claims about destruction, silencing and suborning perjury without providing proof other than a link to a conspiracy theory website that presents allegations only?

 

[MacTheKnife]

The biggest problem with the Warren Report and one that absolutely dubunks their accusation of Oswald's being a lone wolf who killed JFK for no rational reason was the fact that the Warren Commision engaged in a criminal conspiracy from the start, involving the destruction of top-secret documents and photographs, the silencing of witnesses and whistleblowers, and the wholesale suborning of perjury – to cover up the truth about what the government had known in advance about Oswald and the clear threat he had posed to one man: President Kennedy.

Could the Secret Service Have Saved J.F.K.?

Weren't you just demanding proof? Why are you making claims about destruction, silencing and suborning perjury without providing proof other than a link to a conspiracy theory website that presents allegations only?

I have never claimed to have proof about anything. I post a lot of things that I think are interesting.

Again..........the burden of proof regarding Oswalds guilt was on the state and you as a supporter of the State's position have the burden of proof on this thread.....thus again....present your proof that Oswald pulled the trigger on the rifle that killed Kennedy.

If you are unwilling to try and do that...please do not bother me again. Case Closed.

P.S. Also.....since the State failed in it's obligation to protect Oswald's life....the least they could have done would have been to have someone on the commission to defend Oswald....his mother wanted Mark Lane her lawyer to be allowed a seat on the comittee...they refused. No supprise there.

 

[hunarcy]

The biggest problem with the Warren Report and one that absolutely dubunks their accusation of Oswald's being a lone wolf who killed JFK for no rational reason was the fact that the Warren Commision engaged in a criminal conspiracy from the start, involving the destruction of top-secret documents and photographs, the silencing of witnesses and whistleblowers, and the wholesale suborning of perjury – to cover up the truth about what the government had known in advance about Oswald and the clear threat he had posed to one man: President Kennedy.

Could the Secret Service Have Saved J.F.K.?

Weren't you just demanding proof? Why are you making claims about destruction, silencing and suborning perjury without providing proof other than a link to a conspiracy theory website that presents allegations only?

I have never claimed to have proof about anything. I post a lot of things that I think are interesting.

Again..........the burden of proof regarding Oswalds guilt was on the state and you as a supporter of the State's position have the burden of proof on this thread.....thus again....present your proof that Oswald pulled the trigger on the rifle that killed Kennedy.

If you are unwilling to try and do that...please do not bother me again. Case Closed.

You lying pissant. I just posted a link to the scientific evidence that proved the allegations and you know it. You can't be bothered to read it because you might have to admit that your beliefs might be wrong. That's on you. As for "bothering you", I"m sure that pointing out that you're a dupe and pointing you toward EVIDENCE does bother you. Go pound salt, because you've RUINED your credibility on this subject. If you EVER do want to look at the evidence provided to you, be sure to read the eyewitness accounts of who shot the President. Then,you might apologize, but I'll never know because you'll be on ignore as a lying pissant waste of time.

 

[MacTheKnife]

What do Dick Gregory, Lyndon B. Johnson and Víctor Marchetti all have in common? All three have expressed doubts about the accuracy of the Warren Commission report. Seventy percent of the American public agree according to a Harris poll. The Commission reached the conclusión that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, fired three shots killing John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1 963. mÊm Ten years after the assassination in Dallas, pressure is mounting for reopening the investigation which branded Oswald a lone assassin. "Oswald is one of the most hated figures in American history," says former Central Intelligence Agency employee George O'Toole in his new book, The Assassination Tapes (Penthouse Press). "While critics of the Warren Commission f ind receptive and sympathetic audiences to hear their arguments, one proclaims Oswald innocent at his own peril." O'Toole's book is just one of the current pieces of evidence which has aroused speculation on the accuracy of the Warren report. Using a Psychological Stress Evahiator (PSE), a sort of Me detector which probes theeeporters spoken word, O'Toole analyzed tapes of a press conference following Oswald's arrest in Dallas ten years ago. Based on PSE , "I didn't shoot anybody, no sir." O'Toole work checked by two other evaluations, LeeHarvey Oswald was telling the truth when he stated to rxperts who validifitd his findings. The PSE shows Oswald was innocent. All three weramazede . "The charge that Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy has gained widespread acceptance, even in the face of widespread doubts about the Warren report," writes O'Toole. "Ten years after the event, even most skeptics doubted only that 'Oswald acted alone.' " Some of the "skeptics" have never doubted Oswald's nnocence. Mark Lane s probably the best known of the assassination researchers challenging the Commission conclusions. A prominent lawyer, Mark Lane proposed to the Commission that he represent Oswald during the hearings. Hired by Oswald's mother, Lane hoped to cross examine witnesses to assure the accused got a trial [since Oswald would never be given a formal trial, due to his murder by Jack Ruby] . The seven member presidential commission under the guidance of Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Earl Warren, refused Lane's request. When Lane's protests seemed to be stirring some controversy over the Commission's methods, they did consent to give Lane a chance to testify. This permitted his evidence to become part of the official record, although it seemed to have little other influence on the Commission. "There s one conclusión the Warren Commission reached which is an accurate conclusión," Mark Lane recently told an Ann Arbor audience at Hill Auditorium. "That was that Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald. You may recall this took place on national televisión, and would have been hard even for the Commission to deny." WM he Warren Commission published twenty-six volumes of testimony, as well as their 888 page report which found Oswald guilty of firing the murder weapon. In addition to all the published material, much nformation, including secret government files and every piece of scrap paper from the Commission is filed in the National Archives, most of it is where the public cannot see it. But for all the published "evidence," Lane makes a case that the report was a coverup, particularly since so much material s secret and unpublished. "An example of what the Commission did choose to publish is the dental chart showing the condition in 1938 of Jack Ruby's mother's teeth," Lane told the chuckling audience. "I suggest that would not have been relevant even if the Commission concluded Ruby had bitten Oswald to death." "Unfortunately, the Commission decided to suppress a lot of the basic evidence," Lane continued. "I said in 1964 that in my opinión, six of the members of the Commission were accessories after the fact of the murder of John F. Kennedy because they heard enough of the evidence to understand what took place. They suppressed basic evidence and that's what an accessory after the fact is. " "I said at the time that there was one member of the Commission who seemed so completely conf used by the evidence that I could think of a defense for him. He was a congressman from Michigan named Gerald Ford." Why Ford? "I quoted a man named Hubert Hamburg, the World's Olympic rifle champion," recounts Lane of nis testimony before the Warren Commission. "I said this man said the weapon the Commission claimed Oswald used was not capable of that kind of performance." [Oswald fjred three shots in 5.6 seconds hitting the President twice according to off icial report.] "And Ford looked up and said, 'Hamburg? Is that man a foreigner?' "That was the only question he asked me in the two days I testified before the Commission. He was right on the target. I had to admit the man was born in Austria, and that wiped out that point." erald Ford was so impressed by the findings of the Warren Commission that in 1965 he wrote a book, Porimii of the Assassin. He describes the book as a non-fiction novel revealing the outer and inner lives of Lee Harvey Oswald. "I wish they wou ld try one of those Psychological Stress Evaluators- the lie thing where you listen to their voice- on him," said Florynce Kennedy, lawyer and radical feminist, to an Ann Arbor audience-. "You get smilin' whitey sayin' "I was a member of the Warren Commission and we were very careful...' " Fio Kennedy was extremely critical of the Warren Commission and government lying. "That death became quite a pile of shit," she told a predominatly female audience at Rackham Assembly Hall. "It isn't something you could just brush over like say Fred Hampton's or Mark Clark's deaths" [both murdered Black Panthers] . But under the FrceJom of Information Act, some of that information has gradually been released from the Archives as researchers have sued the government for it. Last month, Harold Weisberg obtained results from chemical tests made by the F.B.I. in 1964 which show all bullets recovered from Dealey Plaza could not have come from one rifle. According to the Warren report, one of the three shots attributed to Oswald went astray, hitting a curb in the front of the presidential limousine. Results of the test indícate the FBI experts were unable to find any copper on the curb which was struck. Since all of Oswald's alleged bullets were copper jacketed, at least one bullet doesn't match the shells found in the Texas School Book Depository Building. Deputy Sheriff Ed "Buddy" Walthers also found evidence of a bullet different from those which came from the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle attributed to Oswald. He discovered a bullet he identif ied as a .45 caliber slug across from where Kennedy was shot. Before he could piek it up, an unknown man approached him and the city pólice near him, saying "get the fuck out of here." That was the last heard of the bullet which was the wrong caliber for the Italian rifle. According to the Dallas Iconoclast, the bullet was found across from a manhole where one witness had reported seeing smoke following the shooting on November 22, 1963. Walthers, like so many witnesses whose evidence contradicts official findings, died under somewhat mysterious circumstances in I969. Sent to apprehend an escaped convict, he was somehow shot in the back after opening a door to the convict's motel room in a Serpico- like shootout. eorge OToole also adds to the legends about the Dallas law enforcement officials and their investigation of the assassination. In The Assassinatiqn I Tapes, a number of Texan cops teil stories about events surrounding the assassination which disagree with their official testimony before the Commission, and even disagree with each other. Using PSE analysis, O'Toole found that none of them are telling the truth. For example, when Oswald was arrested the pólice claimed he was carrying identif ication in his own name plus that of Alex Hidell. This did not appear in the official reports they f iled, but did come up during the testimony before the Commission. The significance revolves around the fact that the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was ordered from a mail order house in Chicago by Alex Hidell. The supposed phony ID linked Oswald to the gun. Were there other rifles f red in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963? One frame in the Zapruder film (the eighteen second home movie shot by Abraham Zapruder which shows Kennedy being struck) seems to show a rifleman hidden in a clump of bushes. The film, purchased by Life mmediately following the assassination, had not been seen publicly until recently when "underground" copies became available to researchers. The film has been shown several times in the past few weeks on televisión, including on ABC's national late night show Goodnight, Aimriva. and the local I.ou Gordon Show. The most strik ing scène in the film shows Kennedy's head being blown up and thrown violently backward, seeming to indícate that not all the bullets came from behind as the Warren report claims. On the hou Gordpn Show, one Commission critic claimed two other pictures taken in Dealey Plaza that day also show the same shadow figure with a rifle. But Mr. Jenner, one of the senior lawyers working on the Warren Commission, argued with the researcher that no such image showed in the original. According to Jenner, the Commission examined the film "under a microscope" and found no evidence of another assassin. Jenner defended the Commission report and accused the researchers of being "sensationalists.... who have no responsibility to the American people." He claimed the public wanted to believe the report, but were being misled. The Zapruder film is now being processed at Cornell University under a process known as image enhancement. Using a computer, the technique can bring pictures and shadow images into ful Ier H focus. Cornell is supposedly centrating on the frame showing the assassin in the bushes. efenders of the Waren Commission report are finally attempting to answer charges by critics. But recent reports showing that former President Lyndon Johnson doubted the results have further eroded public confidence. Washington columnist Marianne Means revealed last month that Johnson had confided to Joseph Califano, his chief of staff, that Johnson doubted Oswald had acted alone. He suggested Oswald may have been acting under orders from Fidel Castro in retaliation for CIA plots to assassinate the Cuban premiere. The story is backed by a CBS video clip of an interview done shortly before Johnson's death. In an interview with Walter Cronkite, Johnson admitted he never quite accepted the finding that Oswald acted alone. He did not "completely discount" international connections. "There's not any hard evidence that Oswald was directed by a foreign government ..but was quite a mysterious person," Johnson stated. The clip, part of a longer interview, had never been released before as Johnson had asked for its deletion based on "national security." "There is no evidence for that theory," said one assassination researcher. "In fact, the evidence shows it's more likely our own CIA was involved in the Kennedy assassination." The Johnson interview gives credence to the possibility that the Warren Commission was convinced, perhaps by the CIA, not to delve too deeply into the Kennedy assassination. "National security" was at stake, and a coverup was necessary. But rather than reveal what Johnson feared, a thorough investigation would have exposed CIA and FBI operations years before Watergate or the "new left". "If Earl Warren was convinced that Oswald's act could start World War III, he probably would have agreed to a coverup," suggested the researcher. IMS ■ Hith so many recent revelations of governmental ■ coverups, whitewashes and direct lies, many AmerBgf icans now accept the idea that the Warren report should be reopened to reveal the whole truth. Too much evidence indicates the Warren Commission did not follow up all the leads. A bilí introduced into the House of Representatives sponsored by eleven representatives, is calling for a new investigation. The bilí proposes a joint House-Senate committee structured like the Senate Watergate committee to run a public investigation. Individuals can pressure Congress to reopen the investigation by writing to their representatives. A public investigation will resolve the unanswered questions, and most likely continue the exposé of the CIA and FBI. If you want to f ind out more about the assassination and the Wanen Commission coverup, some books like Mark Lane's are still available in libraries. The University of Michigan has the Warren report stored in the Rare Book Room, but it can be read with the help of a student ID card. The Assassination Tapes, just published last month, is exciting reading and an interesting introduction to the subject. Definitely bound for the best seller lists, it is available for $8.95 at Brairwood (none of the campus stores had t at press time). The SUN will continue to run ameles, and cali for a reopening of the assassination investigation, not only of the J.F.K. killing, but all the killings and attempted murders from Malcolm X to Robert Kennedy which have altered the political process in this country. This article is the third on the killing in Dallas. If you missed the first two, (Nov. 22 and Dec. 6, 1974), we still have copies available. Send 50 cents per copy to our office, and we will send them to you. "Six of the members of the Warren Commission were accessories after the fact of the murder of John F. Kennedy because they heard enough of the evidence to understand what took place." -Mark Lane "If Earl Warren was convinced, perhaps by the CIA, that Oswald's act could have started World War III, he probably would have agreed to a coverup." -an inforrned sou ree ■!!. ■KMMMtMnW I dldnft_L uhoot anybody J no Ir The PSE voice an, told the t Assdssínation continued from page 15 John Conally himself claims he was not hit until after the first shot hit Kennedy, thus indicating this theory could not be ture. In addition, the bullet the Com- mission claimed accomplished this feat is in near perfect condition. A shot fired into the wrist of a cadáver as an experiment was flattened in half. Silencing the witnesses. In the past decade, more than forty people connected with the assassination have died strangely. Eighteen material witnesses died even sooner after the event- 5 of natural causes, and 13 were the victims of accident, suicide or murder, ncluding one man who feil through a píate glass window. Of the fifteen material witnesses dead by 1967, an actuary determined the odds against those people being dead were 100 rillion to one. If Oswald acted alone, why the mysterious deaths? Jack Ruby, Oswald's murderer told Earl Warren he wanted to talk, but couldn't while he was held n a Texas prison because he feared for his life. Ruby also told a psychiatrist before his death that he was part of a conspiracy, but the psychiatrist decided on this one matter alone, Ruby was insane. Crucial evidence, including the brain of John Kennedy which was supposed to be n the National Archives, has completely disappeared. Recently, retired Air Forcé Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, who revealed he had helped arrange air transport for a CIA '■ nation team to kill Castro, studied the Commission's case that there was no conspiracy in the JFK killing. "Scientifically, [their theory] just can't work," he said. "To carry out what was carried out in Dallas would have required more than one individual operating by himself." And finally, the Commission itself. In 1975, a Commission so constituted would be considered less than trustworthy, knowing of past governmental coverups. On the Warren Commission were a former CIA CIA director. Allen Dulles; head of the hawkish Senate Armed Services subcommittee, Richard Russell; former head of the .Off ice of Strategie Services (the WWI forerunner of the CIA) John J. McCloy, and of course, Gerald R. Ford.

Jfk's Murder And The Warren Commission Cover-up | Ann Arbor District Library

Claims were made but no proof was offered.

You have no proof Oswald pulled the trigger.

You have no proof Oswald ever bought a rifle.

You have no proof Oswald was in possession that day of the rifle in question.

You have no proof Oswald even brought a rifle to the book depository.

You have no rational motive for Oswald to even want to kill JFK who had been sanctioned by the Communist party....oswald being a marxist was not likely to go against the party.

The only rational motive For Ruby to kill Oswald was to silence him forever....and thus prevent a real trial from happening....which undoubtedly would have shed the light of truth on the whole matter.

And.....do not forge the congressional body that said the Warren Report was wrong.

Do not forget the death bed confession Mr. Hunt cia guy of watergate fame who said look to who benefited from the assassination....thus implicating LBJ.

Do not forget the death bed statement of Santos Trafficante....mob guy who said we should have killed Robert not John.

Do not the forget the incredible and very detailed confession of James Files who admitted to his role and who left a souvenir behind on the grassy knowl that was found years later....the cartridge shell of the bullet he fired to kill Kennedy and which he bit and left on a fence post....a personal signature of his as a professional hitman for the mob. etc.etc.etc.

And the story I just read for the first time about a stress test analysis of Oswald's voice that revealed he was telling the truth when he said he was just a patsy.

JFK Assassination Records Review Board Releases Top Secret Records

JFKCountercoup2: Kermit L. Hall on JFK Assassination Records

Coffin Used for JFK Dumped at Sea in 1965, Records Show
May 29, 1999 | Associated Press
A bronze coffin used to transport President Kennedy's body from Dallas to Washington was dropped from a military plane into the ocean two years after he was killed, according to assassination documents. "Apparently the casket is in 9,000 feet of water in the Atlantic Ocean," Kermit L. Hall, a member of the defunct Assassination Records Review Board, said in a telephone interview Friday night

You have no proof Oswald didn't pull the trigger.

You have no proof that someone else bought the rifle.

You have no proof that Oswald didn't possess his rifle that day.

You have no proof that Oswald DIDN'T have the rifle at the Texas School Book Depository.

You have nothing to show that Oswald wouldn't go against the will of the Communist Party.

You can't prove that Ruby HAD a rational motive to kill Oswald. He said he was overcome by emotion, not logic.

And, do not forget that the only reason the HSCA said there was a conspiracy was the "audio evidence", which was subsequently shown to be faulty.

And do not forget that E. Howard Hunt was such a liar that not even his son believed his death bed confession was true.

And do not forget that there is no proof that Santos Trafficante killed Kennedy. In fact there is MUCH more proof that Oswald did the assassination alone than that Trafficante had a hand in it.

And do not forget that Abraham Zapruder and his secretary was less than 20 feet from the picket fence and would have heard a shot fired from that position, but didn't because no one shot from that position.

Why don't you post a link to the evidence concerning that "voice stress test" so we can all judge for ourselves if the test was valid or if the ambient noise on the tape might have contaminated the test? There was no link in your post.

As far as the coffin is concerned, while I wouldn't have dumped it, it was RFK's choice.

"It was two years after the assassination and the casket was being stored in a vault at the National Archives in Washington. Concerned it might fall into the hands of sensation seekers, the late president's brother, Robert, told Archives officials: "What I would like to have done is take it to sea."

JFK's Coffin Dumped At Sea

I guess he was trying to keep it away from people like you.

As is well known....the burden of proof regarding Oswald's guilt was on the state...and as a defender of the state's accusation of guilt ---then the burden of proof in this discussion regarding Oswalds guilt is also upon you.....all you do when asked for proof is to demand proof....that is not the way it works boyo....either show your hand aka the 'proof' that oswald actually pulled the trigger on the rifle that killed kennedy or fold your hand aka......just walk away as gracefully as possible.

Pretty funny to see a conspiracy theory nut asking for proof. But, I will direct your attention to the fact that the paraffin test showed he'd fired a weapon. JFK Assassination Firearms Factoids -- The "Paraffin Test"

Further, if you read this information, you'll appear better educated in the future. It gives the scientific evidence Oswald and the weapons.

Chapter 4

Enjoy your reading, boyo

What do Dick Gregory, Lyndon B. Johnson and Víctor Marchetti all have in common? All three have expressed doubts about the accuracy of the Warren Commission report. Seventy percent of the American public agree according to a Harris poll. The Commission reached the conclusión that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, fired three shots killing John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1 963. mÊm Ten years after the assassination in Dallas, pressure is mounting for reopening the investigation which branded Oswald a lone assassin. "Oswald is one of the most hated figures in American history," says former Central Intelligence Agency employee George O'Toole in his new book, The Assassination Tapes (Penthouse Press). "While critics of the Warren Commission f ind receptive and sympathetic audiences to hear their arguments, one proclaims Oswald innocent at his own peril." O'Toole's book is just one of the current pieces of evidence which has aroused speculation on the accuracy of the Warren report. Using a Psychological Stress Evahiator (PSE), a sort of Me detector which probes theeeporters spoken word, O'Toole analyzed tapes of a press conference following Oswald's arrest in Dallas ten years ago. Based on PSE , "I didn't shoot anybody, no sir." O'Toole work checked by two other evaluations, LeeHarvey Oswald was telling the truth when he stated to rxperts who validifitd his findings. The PSE shows Oswald was innocent. All three weramazede . "The charge that Lee Harvey Oswald killed President Kennedy has gained widespread acceptance, even in the face of widespread doubts about the Warren report," writes O'Toole. "Ten years after the event, even most skeptics doubted only that 'Oswald acted alone.' " Some of the "skeptics" have never doubted Oswald's nnocence. Mark Lane s probably the best known of the assassination researchers challenging the Commission conclusions. A prominent lawyer, Mark Lane proposed to the Commission that he represent Oswald during the hearings. Hired by Oswald's mother, Lane hoped to cross examine witnesses to assure the accused got a trial [since Oswald would never be given a formal trial, due to his murder by Jack Ruby] . The seven member presidential commission under the guidance of Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Earl Warren, refused Lane's request. When Lane's protests seemed to be stirring some controversy over the Commission's methods, they did consent to give Lane a chance to testify. This permitted his evidence to become part of the official record, although it seemed to have little other influence on the Commission. "There s one conclusión the Warren Commission reached which is an accurate conclusión," Mark Lane recently told an Ann Arbor audience at Hill Auditorium. "That was that Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald. You may recall this took place on national televisión, and would have been hard even for the Commission to deny." WM he Warren Commission published twenty-six volumes of testimony, as well as their 888 page report which found Oswald guilty of firing the murder weapon. In addition to all the published material, much nformation, including secret government files and every piece of scrap paper from the Commission is filed in the National Archives, most of it is where the public cannot see it. But for all the published "evidence," Lane makes a case that the report was a coverup, particularly since so much material s secret and unpublished. "An example of what the Commission did choose to publish is the dental chart showing the condition in 1938 of Jack Ruby's mother's teeth," Lane told the chuckling audience. "I suggest that would not have been relevant even if the Commission concluded Ruby had bitten Oswald to death." "Unfortunately, the Commission decided to suppress a lot of the basic evidence," Lane continued. "I said in 1964 that in my opinión, six of the members of the Commission were accessories after the fact of the murder of John F. Kennedy because they heard enough of the evidence to understand what took place. They suppressed basic evidence and that's what an accessory after the fact is. " "I said at the time that there was one member of the Commission who seemed so completely conf used by the evidence that I could think of a defense for him. He was a congressman from Michigan named Gerald Ford." Why Ford? "I quoted a man named Hubert Hamburg, the World's Olympic rifle champion," recounts Lane of nis testimony before the Warren Commission. "I said this man said the weapon the Commission claimed Oswald used was not capable of that kind of performance." [Oswald fjred three shots in 5.6 seconds hitting the President twice according to off icial report.] "And Ford looked up and said, 'Hamburg? Is that man a foreigner?' "That was the only question he asked me in the two days I testified before the Commission. He was right on the target. I had to admit the man was born in Austria, and that wiped out that point." erald Ford was so impressed by the findings of the Warren Commission that in 1965 he wrote a book, Porimii of the Assassin. He describes the book as a non-fiction novel revealing the outer and inner lives of Lee Harvey Oswald. "I wish they wou ld try one of those Psychological Stress Evaluators- the lie thing where you listen to their voice- on him," said Florynce Kennedy, lawyer and radical feminist, to an Ann Arbor audience-. "You get smilin' whitey sayin' "I was a member of the Warren Commission and we were very careful...' " Fio Kennedy was extremely critical of the Warren Commission and government lying. "That death became quite a pile of shit," she told a predominatly female audience at Rackham Assembly Hall. "It isn't something you could just brush over like say Fred Hampton's or Mark Clark's deaths" [both murdered Black Panthers] . But under the FrceJom of Information Act, some of that information has gradually been released from the Archives as researchers have sued the government for it. Last month, Harold Weisberg obtained results from chemical tests made by the F.B.I. in 1964 which show all bullets recovered from Dealey Plaza could not have come from one rifle. According to the Warren report, one of the three shots attributed to Oswald went astray, hitting a curb in the front of the presidential limousine. Results of the test indícate the FBI experts were unable to find any copper on the curb which was struck. Since all of Oswald's alleged bullets were copper jacketed, at least one bullet doesn't match the shells found in the Texas School Book Depository Building. Deputy Sheriff Ed "Buddy" Walthers also found evidence of a bullet different from those which came from the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle attributed to Oswald. He discovered a bullet he identif ied as a .45 caliber slug across from where Kennedy was shot. Before he could piek it up, an unknown man approached him and the city pólice near him, saying "get the fuck out of here." That was the last heard of the bullet which was the wrong caliber for the Italian rifle. According to the Dallas Iconoclast, the bullet was found across from a manhole where one witness had reported seeing smoke following the shooting on November 22, 1963. Walthers, like so many witnesses whose evidence contradicts official findings, died under somewhat mysterious circumstances in I969. Sent to apprehend an escaped convict, he was somehow shot in the back after opening a door to the convict's motel room in a Serpico- like shootout. eorge OToole also adds to the legends about the Dallas law enforcement officials and their investigation of the assassination. In The Assassinatiqn I Tapes, a number of Texan cops teil stories about events surrounding the assassination which disagree with their official testimony before the Commission, and even disagree with each other. Using PSE analysis, O'Toole found that none of them are telling the truth. For example, when Oswald was arrested the pólice claimed he was carrying identif ication in his own name plus that of Alex Hidell. This did not appear in the official reports they f iled, but did come up during the testimony before the Commission. The significance revolves around the fact that the Mannlicher-Carcano rifle was ordered from a mail order house in Chicago by Alex Hidell. The supposed phony ID linked Oswald to the gun. Were there other rifles f red in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963? One frame in the Zapruder film (the eighteen second home movie shot by Abraham Zapruder which shows Kennedy being struck) seems to show a rifleman hidden in a clump of bushes. The film, purchased by Life mmediately following the assassination, had not been seen publicly until recently when "underground" copies became available to researchers. The film has been shown several times in the past few weeks on televisión, including on ABC's national late night show Goodnight, Aimriva. and the local I.ou Gordon Show. The most strik ing scène in the film shows Kennedy's head being blown up and thrown violently backward, seeming to indícate that not all the bullets came from behind as the Warren report claims. On the hou Gordpn Show, one Commission critic claimed two other pictures taken in Dealey Plaza that day also show the same shadow figure with a rifle. But Mr. Jenner, one of the senior lawyers working on the Warren Commission, argued with the researcher that no such image showed in the original. According to Jenner, the Commission examined the film "under a microscope" and found no evidence of another assassin. Jenner defended the Commission report and accused the researchers of being "sensationalists.... who have no responsibility to the American people." He claimed the public wanted to believe the report, but were being misled. The Zapruder film is now being processed at Cornell University under a process known as image enhancement. Using a computer, the technique can bring pictures and shadow images into ful Ier H focus. Cornell is supposedly centrating on the frame showing the assassin in the bushes. efenders of the Waren Commission report are finally attempting to answer charges by critics. But recent reports showing that former President Lyndon Johnson doubted the results have further eroded public confidence. Washington columnist Marianne Means revealed last month that Johnson had confided to Joseph Califano, his chief of staff, that Johnson doubted Oswald had acted alone. He suggested Oswald may have been acting under orders from Fidel Castro in retaliation for CIA plots to assassinate the Cuban premiere. The story is backed by a CBS video clip of an interview done shortly before Johnson's death. In an interview with Walter Cronkite, Johnson admitted he never quite accepted the finding that Oswald acted alone. He did not "completely discount" international connections. "There's not any hard evidence that Oswald was directed by a foreign government ..but was quite a mysterious person," Johnson stated. The clip, part of a longer interview, had never been released before as Johnson had asked for its deletion based on "national security." "There is no evidence for that theory," said one assassination researcher. "In fact, the evidence shows it's more likely our own CIA was involved in the Kennedy assassination." The Johnson interview gives credence to the possibility that the Warren Commission was convinced, perhaps by the CIA, not to delve too deeply into the Kennedy assassination. "National security" was at stake, and a coverup was necessary. But rather than reveal what Johnson feared, a thorough investigation would have exposed CIA and FBI operations years before Watergate or the "new left". "If Earl Warren was convinced that Oswald's act could start World War III, he probably would have agreed to a coverup," suggested the researcher. IMS ■ Hith so many recent revelations of governmental ■ coverups, whitewashes and direct lies, many AmerBgf icans now accept the idea that the Warren report should be reopened to reveal the whole truth. Too much evidence indicates the Warren Commission did not follow up all the leads. A bilí introduced into the House of Representatives sponsored by eleven representatives, is calling for a new investigation. The bilí proposes a joint House-Senate committee structured like the Senate Watergate committee to run a public investigation. Individuals can pressure Congress to reopen the investigation by writing to their representatives. A public investigation will resolve the unanswered questions, and most likely continue the exposé of the CIA and FBI. If you want to f ind out more about the assassination and the Wanen Commission coverup, some books like Mark Lane's are still available in libraries. The University of Michigan has the Warren report stored in the Rare Book Room, but it can be read with the help of a student ID card. The Assassination Tapes, just published last month, is exciting reading and an interesting introduction to the subject. Definitely bound for the best seller lists, it is available for $8.95 at Brairwood (none of the campus stores had t at press time). The SUN will continue to run ameles, and cali for a reopening of the assassination investigation, not only of the J.F.K. killing, but all the killings and attempted murders from Malcolm X to Robert Kennedy which have altered the political process in this country. This article is the third on the killing in Dallas. If you missed the first two, (Nov. 22 and Dec. 6, 1974), we still have copies available. Send 50 cents per copy to our office, and we will send them to you. "Six of the members of the Warren Commission were accessories after the fact of the murder of John F. Kennedy because they heard enough of the evidence to understand what took place." -Mark Lane "If Earl Warren was convinced, perhaps by the CIA, that Oswald's act could have started World War III, he probably would have agreed to a coverup." -an inforrned sou ree ■!!. ■KMMMtMnW I dldnft_L uhoot anybody J no Ir The PSE voice an, told the t Assdssínation continued from page 15 John Conally himself claims he was not hit until after the first shot hit Kennedy, thus indicating this theory could not be ture. In addition, the bullet the Com- mission claimed accomplished this feat is in near perfect condition. A shot fired into the wrist of a cadáver as an experiment was flattened in half. Silencing the witnesses. In the past decade, more than forty people connected with the assassination have died strangely. Eighteen material witnesses died even sooner after the event- 5 of natural causes, and 13 were the victims of accident, suicide or murder, ncluding one man who feil through a píate glass window. Of the fifteen material witnesses dead by 1967, an actuary determined the odds against those people being dead were 100 rillion to one. If Oswald acted alone, why the mysterious deaths? Jack Ruby, Oswald's murderer told Earl Warren he wanted to talk, but couldn't while he was held n a Texas prison because he feared for his life. Ruby also told a psychiatrist before his death that he was part of a conspiracy, but the psychiatrist decided on this one matter alone, Ruby was insane. Crucial evidence, including the brain of John Kennedy which was supposed to be n the National Archives, has completely disappeared. Recently, retired Air Forcé Colonel L. Fletcher Prouty, who revealed he had helped arrange air transport for a CIA '■ nation team to kill Castro, studied the Commission's case that there was no conspiracy in the JFK killing. "Scientifically, [their theory] just can't work," he said. "To carry out what was carried out in Dallas would have required more than one individual operating by himself." And finally, the Commission itself. In 1975, a Commission so constituted would be considered less than trustworthy, knowing of past governmental coverups. On the Warren Commission were a former CIA CIA director. Allen Dulles; head of the hawkish Senate Armed Services subcommittee, Richard Russell; former head of the .Off ice of Strategie Services (the WWI forerunner of the CIA) John J. McCloy, and of course, Gerald R. Ford.

Jfk's Murder And The Warren Commission Cover-up | Ann Arbor District Library

Claims were made but no proof was offered.

You have no proof Oswald pulled the trigger.

You have no proof Oswald ever bought a rifle.

You have no proof Oswald was in possession that day of the rifle in question.

You have no proof Oswald even brought a rifle to the book depository.

You have no rational motive for Oswald to even want to kill JFK who had been sanctioned by the Communist party....oswald being a marxist was not likely to go against the party.

The only rational motive For Ruby to kill Oswald was to silence him forever....and thus prevent a real trial from happening....which undoubtedly would have shed the light of truth on the whole matter.

And.....do not forge the congressional body that said the Warren Report was wrong.

Do not forget the death bed confession Mr. Hunt cia guy of watergate fame who said look to who benefited from the assassination....thus implicating LBJ.

Do not forget the death bed statement of Santos Trafficante....mob guy who said we should have killed Robert not John.

Do not the forget the incredible and very detailed confession of James Files who admitted to his role and who left a souvenir behind on the grassy knowl that was found years later....the cartridge shell of the bullet he fired to kill Kennedy and which he bit and left on a fence post....a personal signature of his as a professional hitman for the mob. etc.etc.etc.

And the story I just read for the first time about a stress test analysis of Oswald's voice that revealed he was telling the truth when he said he was just a patsy.

JFK Assassination Records Review Board Releases Top Secret Records

JFKCountercoup2: Kermit L. Hall on JFK Assassination Records

Coffin Used for JFK Dumped at Sea in 1965, Records Show
May 29, 1999 | Associated Press
A bronze coffin used to transport President Kennedy's body from Dallas to Washington was dropped from a military plane into the ocean two years after he was killed, according to assassination documents. "Apparently the casket is in 9,000 feet of water in the Atlantic Ocean," Kermit L. Hall, a member of the defunct Assassination Records Review Board, said in a telephone interview Friday night

You have no proof Oswald didn't pull the trigger.

You have no proof that someone else bought the rifle.

You have no proof that Oswald didn't possess his rifle that day.

You have no proof that Oswald DIDN'T have the rifle at the Texas School Book Depository.

You have nothing to show that Oswald wouldn't go against the will of the Communist Party.

You can't prove that Ruby HAD a rational motive to kill Oswald. He said he was overcome by emotion, not logic.

And, do not forget that the only reason the HSCA said there was a conspiracy was the "audio evidence", which was subsequently shown to be faulty.

And do not forget that E. Howard Hunt was such a liar that not even his son believed his death bed confession was true.

And do not forget that there is no proof that Santos Trafficante killed Kennedy. In fact there is MUCH more proof that Oswald did the assassination alone than that Trafficante had a hand in it.

And do not forget that Abraham Zapruder and his secretary was less than 20 feet from the picket fence and would have heard a shot fired from that position, but didn't because no one shot from that position.

Why don't you post a link to the evidence concerning that "voice stress test" so we can all judge for ourselves if the test was valid or if the ambient noise on the tape might have contaminated the test? There was no link in your post.

As far as the coffin is concerned, while I wouldn't have dumped it, it was RFK's choice.

"It was two years after the assassination and the casket was being stored in a vault at the National Archives in Washington. Concerned it might fall into the hands of sensation seekers, the late president's brother, Robert, told Archives officials: "What I would like to have done is take it to sea."

JFK's Coffin Dumped At Sea

I guess he was trying to keep it away from people like you.

As is well known....the burden of proof regarding Oswald's guilt was on the state...and as a defender of the state's accusation of guilt ---then the burden of proof in this discussion regarding Oswalds guilt is also upon you.....all you do when asked for proof is to demand proof....that is not the way it works boyo....either show your hand aka the 'proof' that oswald actually pulled the trigger on the rifle that killed kennedy or fold your hand aka......just walk away as gracefully as possible.

Pretty funny to see a conspiracy theory nut asking for proof. But, I will direct your attention to the fact that the paraffin test showed he'd fired a weapon. JFK Assassination Firearms Factoids -- The "Paraffin Test"

Further, if you read this information, you'll appear better educated in the future. It gives the scientific evidence Oswald and the weapons.

Chapter 4

Enjoy your reading, boyo

You really should try and keep up.....if you did you would already know .................................

The Total Unreliability Of Paraffin Tests

The Total Unreliability Of Paraffin Tests

 

[MacTheKnife]

The biggest problem with the Warren Report and one that absolutely dubunks their accusation of Oswald's being a lone wolf who killed JFK for no rational reason was the fact that the Warren Commision engaged in a criminal conspiracy from the start, involving the destruction of top-secret documents and photographs, the silencing of witnesses and whistleblowers, and the wholesale suborning of perjury – to cover up the truth about what the government had known in advance about Oswald and the clear threat he had posed to one man: President Kennedy.

Could the Secret Service Have Saved J.F.K.?

Weren't you just demanding proof? Why are you making claims about destruction, silencing and suborning perjury without providing proof other than a link to a conspiracy theory website that presents allegations only?

I have never claimed to have proof about anything. I post a lot of things that I think are interesting.

Again..........the burden of proof regarding Oswalds guilt was on the state and you as a supporter of the State's position have the burden of proof on this thread.....thus again....present your proof that Oswald pulled the trigger on the rifle that killed Kennedy.

If you are unwilling to try and do that...please do not bother me again. Case Closed.

You lying pissant. I just posted a link to the scientific evidence that proved the allegations and you know it. You can't be bothered to read it because you might have to admit that your beliefs might be wrong. That's on you. As for "bothering you", I"m sure that pointing out that you're a dupe and pointing you toward EVIDENCE does bother you. Go pound salt, because you've RUINED your credibility on this subject. If you EVER do want to look at the evidence provided to you, be sure to read the eyewitness accounts of who shot the President. Then,you might apologize, but I'll never know because you'll be on ignore as a lying pissant waste of time.

You are laughable to say the very least......list your eyewitness accounts if you dare?....which of course you dare not because they have all been debunked....you see...if you do not want to further embarass yourself you should try and keep up with all the info posted.

Again just for the edivication of the viewers..........you have no proof oswald pulled the trigger on the rifle that killed the President.

You have no proof that Oswal even bought the rifle....as in it was bought by mail order...anyone using any name could have purchased that rifle.

You have no proof Oswald brought the rifle to the book depository.

You have no proof that Oswald had a credible motive to even want to kill JFK.

etc.etc. and so on. Talking about allegations....that is all you have and all the Warren Commission did....produce some allegations...not even to mention that it is now recognized how they engaged in their own conspiracy to make it appear Oswald was just a lone assassin nut case.

Majority in U.S. Still Believe JFK Killed in a Conspiracy

 

[MacTheKnife]

First those who have been duped by the WCR on here claimed they had 'proof' when directly confronted and asked to show the proof....then they name call and say they have evidence.

Apparantly not understanding the difference between proof and evidence or allegations for that matter.

"Proof" is a much stronger claim than "Evidence". Proof is similar to mathematical proofs, of which it is either right or wrong. Evidence can be weak or gray. For example, Autoritarian Evidence and anecdotes are useful evidence, but they should not normally be considered strong evidence. Some people say "proof" when they mean "evidence", probably because it is a shorter word (and easier to spell .

 

[MacTheKnife]

If Oswald did kill Kennedy, why wouldn't he just admit/boast about it?

and if the theory of the Feds was correct i.e. he did it for the glory etc. then logically he would have.

But in fact he denied it and emphatically so....voice stress tests of his denial say he was telling the truth when he claimed he was just a patsy.

Oswald of course was portrayed as a lone nut killer, seeking to make his miserable life seem important, so he kills the President of the United States. Yet, Marina Oswald said Lee liked JFK.

The FBI was the lead agency carrying out the investigation, and the above statement is how they wanted America to judge Oswald. Most people only use their child’s middle name when they are scolding that child. The same thing happened with the FBI, Lee Oswald, who had never used his middle name, now had it being inserted in every news cast, and to this day, most Americans call him, Lee HARVEY Oswald. If you use his full name, the FBI has shaped your opinion.

The FBI didn’t want people to know that Lee Oswald was a $200 a month informant for the Bureau. FBI Dallas agent Hosty had a note that Oswald had given him a day or two before the shooting. Hosting asked his superior what he should do with it. He was told to get rid of it.

The hand of intelligence agencies were all over Oswald, including the CIA. How many Mission Impossible movies have been seen where the denial of the agent is standard procedure should the agent be caught. Well in real life that happens also.

Look how much time and how many investigations have been conducted concerning a lone nut killer. And then the President of the United States by executive order seals the assassination file locked up for 75 years.

One has to question why the Parkland Doctors described a different head wound than the official autopsy report. One should further wonder why JFK’s brain was totally intact at the autopsy.

Oswald, who the FBI profiled as a lone nut, kept proclaiming that he was a patsy. Did the FBI follow up on this patsy lead? No, because within hours the Director of the FBI was stating categorically that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.

Did he really have proof of that? No.....why did he do it?

To understand that one has to know something about how the FBI and how the various intelligence agencies really work.

The first thing to know is that
In the World of Intelligence, Nothing is Quite What it Seems

Yet the true believers of the Warren commission buy at face value all of the allegations made by the Warren Commission which has become a national joke.

They can fool some of the people some of the time but they cannot fool all the people all of the time.
Majority in U.S. Still Believe JFK Killed in a Conspiracy

 

[hunarcy]

The biggest problem with the Warren Report and one that absolutely dubunks their accusation of Oswald's being a lone wolf who killed JFK for no rational reason was the fact that the Warren Commision engaged in a criminal conspiracy from the start, involving the destruction of top-secret documents and photographs, the silencing of witnesses and whistleblowers, and the wholesale suborning of perjury – to cover up the truth about what the government had known in advance about Oswald and the clear threat he had posed to one man: President Kennedy.

Could the Secret Service Have Saved J.F.K.?

Weren't you just demanding proof? Why are you making claims about destruction, silencing and suborning perjury without providing proof other than a link to a conspiracy theory website that presents allegations only?

I have never claimed to have proof about anything. I post a lot of things that I think are interesting.

Again..........the burden of proof regarding Oswalds guilt was on the state and you as a supporter of the State's position have the burden of proof on this thread.....thus again....present your proof that Oswald pulled the trigger on the rifle that killed Kennedy.

If you are unwilling to try and do that...please do not bother me again. Case Closed.

You lying pissant. I just posted a link to the scientific evidence that proved the allegations and you know it. You can't be bothered to read it because you might have to admit that your beliefs might be wrong. That's on you. As for "bothering you", I"m sure that pointing out that you're a dupe and pointing you toward EVIDENCE does bother you. Go pound salt, because you've RUINED your credibility on this subject. If you EVER do want to look at the evidence provided to you, be sure to read the eyewitness accounts of who shot the President. Then,you might apologize, but I'll never know because you'll be on ignore as a lying pissant waste of time.

I do get so tired of conspiracy theory trolls who DEMAND evidence when you refute their stupid claims but NEVER provide a scintilla of proof of their claims. They DEMAND you accept their versions while dismissing anything they don't agree with based ONLY on their beliefs. If it's evidence that they don't agree with, there's no way it's correct but they expect you to accept the flimsy claims they make with no evidence at all. I try to reason with them until it's obvious that they're just trolling us, then they have to go on ignore.

 

[MacTheKnife]

September 27th - October 3rd, Lee Harvey Oswald contacted the Soviet embassy and the Cuban consulate several times in person and over the phone whilst he was in Mexico City. Photos were taken and his phone calls were recorded by the CIA. Neither the photos nor the recordings were that of Oswald. It turns out that he had been impersonated. Impersonator spoke terrible Russian which Oswald was very good at. Cuban consulate general said the man claiming to be Lee Harvey Oswald looks nothing like the real Oswald. It is clear to me that Oswald had been manipulated in order to implicate Soviet and Cuban regimes in Kennedy's assassination. Unbeknownst to the FBI, the CIA knew all along that the photos were not of Oswald. The CIA had been keeping tabs on Oswald, his case was on a need to know basis six weeks prior to the assassination. The shooting from the sixth floor of Texas School Book Depository is strongly contradicted by medical and photographic evidence. There are no photos of Oswald firing a gun from the sixth floor of the depository. The claim that it was physically possible for a lone gunman to have caused all known injuries with only three shots is empathetically contradicted by the medical, photographic, and eyewitness evidence. Oswald most likely wasn't the lone gunman he was made out to be. Two witnesses saw Lee Harvey Oswald carrying a bag and insisted it was too small to have contained a rifle. The evidence suggests Oswald had not fired a rifle at all that day and that a bullet was dishonestly placed in evidence in order to frame Oswald. The claim that he brought a rifle to work and was on the sixth floor at the time of the shooting was contradicted by all credible evidence. It is clear that the "magic bullet" could not have caused all of Connally's injuries. The bullet suffered too little damage to have possibly caused all of those injuries. There was more metal deposited into Connally's body than was missing from the bullet. With Lee Harvey Oswald dead, no one will ever hear his side of the story.

Oswald. He was interrogated for twelve hours and he never confessed. Where exactly is Oswald's alibi? Interviews were attended by police, FBI, and Secret Service agents who surely recorded his alibi in full detail. It was either hidden or destroyed. Charles Givens said he saw Oswald on the first floor in the room where employees have lunch at 11:50 A.M. Givens later changed his story to the sixth floor he could have possibly been bribed. The FBI was looking for an employee to place Oswald on the sixth floor. Other witnesses place Oswald on the first floor not the sixth. The testimony of James Jarman and Harold Norman proved that Oswald was on the first floor a few minutes before the assassination. Oswald was still on the first floor no more than two minutes before Kennedy was due to pass by the building. No one had heard anyone frantically running up the stairs. The elevator was already in use which Oswald was not on. How could he have possibly made it to the sixth floor in time to shoot the president? It just does not make any sense. Bonnie Ray Williams claimed to have been the only one on the sixth floor for several minutes around midday. Very likely, Oswald was not on the sixth floor from midday onwards.

11:50 Oswald is on the first floor

12:15 Gunman and a second man are seen on the sixth floor, Oswald is on the first or second floor.

12:23 Oswald is on the first floor.

12:25-12:30 Gunman of the sixth floor.

Once Oswald was done with his lunch he went home.

When a gunman is seen Oswald is accounted for. He absolutely had no time to shoot the president. It is physically impossible for him to be in two places at once.


The iCIA nvestigation was controlled by deputy director Richard Helms and counterintelligence chief James Angleton. They opposed President Kennedy's policy on Cuba. They crushed colleagues who dared to seek a real investigation of Oswald. They relied on deceptive memoranda to steer investigators away from evidence that indicated a possible pro- or anti-Castro Cuban conspiracy. Concocted false and misleading statements that served to steer the Warren Commission away from evidence that might point to a conspiracy. They concealed or downplayed evidence about Cuban contacts of Oswald. Oswald's ties to Cuban intelligence was never properly investigated. At least forty bystanders stated gunfire came from the front of the motorcade, this was suppressed by the government. The investigation was botched because it was intended to fail. The CIA gained control within a few months and completely corrupted it. Blocked and impeded the investigation of possible conspiracy behind the president's murder. They concealed their own role in monitoring Oswald and in conspiring to kill Fidel Castro. Ensured that the Warren Commission never knew about their role in the events leading to the tragedy in Dallas. Harold Swenson, a counterintelligence officer, raised questions. His findings and recommendations were suppressed. This file tells the story of a coverup and how the CIA gained control of the investigation of Oswald and effectively "killed" it. Whatever happened to these amazing men you may ask. Helms has pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about an assassination plot in Chile. Angleton was eventually fired for presiding over a massive program to spy on opponents of the Vietnam War. They never played by the rules.

CIA Lies:

1. The agencies conspiracy in November 1963 to assassinate Fidel Castro

2. The date CIA personnel first opened a file on Lee Harvey Oswald.

3. What CIA operations officers knew about Oswald's contacts with the agency. A funded anti-Castro group in New Orleans in the summer of 1963.

4.What top officials knew about Oswald's visit to the Cuban consulate six weeks prior to the assassination.

5. All CIA information was furnished to the Warren Commission.

6. CIA wasn't initially interested in Oswald. (Opened file on December 9th, 1960)

7. CIA didn't know about Oswald's Cuban contacts before the assassination.



Personally, I think Lee Harvey Oswald is innocent. With the evidence presented, I can't consciously think he did it when there are so many doubts. That leaves the question: if Oswald didn't do it then who did?

All of this information can be found on the following websites:

http://22november1963.org.uk/did-lee-harvey-oswald...

http://22november1963.org.uk/how-did-oswald-kill-k...

http://22november1963.org.uk/a-little-incident-in-...

http://22november1963.org.uk/the-career-of-lee-har...

http://22november1963.org.uk/oswald-guilty-or-not-...

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[SAYIT]

The biggest problem with the Warren Report and one that absolutely dubunks their accusation of Oswald's being a lone wolf who killed JFK for no rational reason was the fact that the Warren Commision engaged in a criminal conspiracy from the start, involving the destruction of top-secret documents and photographs, the silencing of witnesses and whistleblowers, and the wholesale suborning of perjury – to cover up the truth about what the government had known in advance about Oswald and the clear threat he had posed to one man: President Kennedy.

Could the Secret Service Have Saved J.F.K.?

Weren't you just demanding proof? Why are you making claims about destruction, silencing and suborning perjury without providing proof other than a link to a conspiracy theory website that presents allegations only?

I have never claimed to have proof about anything. I post a lot of things that I think are interesting.

Again..........the burden of proof regarding Oswalds guilt was on the state and you as a supporter of the State's position have the burden of proof on this thread.....thus again....present your proof that Oswald pulled the trigger on the rifle that killed Kennedy.

If you are unwilling to try and do that...please do not bother me again. Case Closed.

You lying pissant. I just posted a link to the scientific evidence that proved the allegations and you know it. You can't be bothered to read it because you might have to admit that your beliefs might be wrong. That's on you. As for "bothering you", I"m sure that pointing out that you're a dupe and pointing you toward EVIDENCE does bother you. Go pound salt, because you've RUINED your credibility on this subject. If you EVER do want to look at the evidence provided to you, be sure to read the eyewitness accounts of who shot the President. Then,you might apologize, but I'll never know because you'll be on ignore as a lying pissant waste of time.

I do get so tired of conspiracy theory trolls who DEMAND evidence when you refute their stupid claims but NEVER provide a scintilla of proof of their claims. They DEMAND you accept their versions while dismissing anything they don't agree with based ONLY on their beliefs. If it's evidence that they don't agree with, there's no way it's correct but they expect you to accept the flimsy claims they make with no evidence at all. I try to reason with them until it's obvious that they're just trolling us, then they have to go on ignore.

I find both humorous and revealing how often that just beneath their pontificating surface is good, old fashioned bigotry. Remarkably their "Jew did it" agenda bubbles quickly to the surface.
This from MacTheKnife on Saturday: Oswald's Mossad Friend | From the Trenches World Report

 

[MacTheKnife]

The biggest problem with the Warren Report and one that absolutely dubunks their accusation of Oswald's being a lone wolf who killed JFK for no rational reason was the fact that the Warren Commision engaged in a criminal conspiracy from the start, involving the destruction of top-secret documents and photographs, the silencing of witnesses and whistleblowers, and the wholesale suborning of perjury – to cover up the truth about what the government had known in advance about Oswald and the clear threat he had posed to one man: President Kennedy.

Could the Secret Service Have Saved J.F.K.?

Weren't you just demanding proof? Why are you making claims about destruction, silencing and suborning perjury without providing proof other than a link to a conspiracy theory website that presents allegations only?

I have never claimed to have proof about anything. I post a lot of things that I think are interesting.

Again..........the burden of proof regarding Oswalds guilt was on the state and you as a supporter of the State's position have the burden of proof on this thread.....thus again....present your proof that Oswald pulled the trigger on the rifle that killed Kennedy.

If you are unwilling to try and do that...please do not bother me again. Case Closed.

You lying pissant. I just posted a link to the scientific evidence that proved the allegations and you know it. You can't be bothered to read it because you might have to admit that your beliefs might be wrong. That's on you. As for "bothering you", I"m sure that pointing out that you're a dupe and pointing you toward EVIDENCE does bother you. Go pound salt, because you've RUINED your credibility on this subject. If you EVER do want to look at the evidence provided to you, be sure to read the eyewitness accounts of who shot the President. Then,you might apologize, but I'll never know because you'll be on ignore as a lying pissant waste of time.

I do get so tired of conspiracy theory trolls who DEMAND evidence when you refute their stupid claims but NEVER provide a scintilla of proof of their claims. They DEMAND you accept their versions while dismissing anything they don't agree with based ONLY on their beliefs. If it's evidence that they don't agree with, there's no way it's correct but they expect you to accept the flimsy claims they make with no evidence at all. I try to reason with them until it's obvious that they're just trolling us, then they have to go on ignore.

I find both humorous and revealing how often that just beneath their pontificating surface is good, old fashioned bigotry. Remarkably their "Jew did it" agenda bubbles quickly to the surface.
This from MacTheKnife on Saturday: Oswald's Mossad Friend | From the Trenches World Report

First of all I am a Zionist and would never fabricate a story about Jews killing Kennedy.

Obviously you did not even read the article or you would know that it makes no claim that the Jews killed Kennedy.

I mentioned the fact that Oswald's friend was involved in intelligence work just to illustrate how Oswald was connected in so many ways to the intelligence community.

The JFK Files: How Lee Harvey Oswald’s childhood friend found himself in Israel and ended up 'helping the Mossad'

Fred Efraim O'Sullivan
BIRTH 1 Jan 1938
DEATH 20 Feb 2005 (aged 67)

Fred Efraim O'Sullivan, the former chief of police of Ocean Springs, MS, who had the distinct honor of being the first Jewish chief of police in the history of the states of Mississippi and Louisiana, succumbed to a life-long struggle with diabetes-related health problems Sunday February 20, 2005. He was 67.

A native of New Orleans, O'Sullivan was born a Catholic and served as an altar boy. He joined the police in 1958 and quickly became a detective in the vice squad and later commander of the Intelligence branch. In the mid-1960s he grew close to Judaism and converted in 1967. He was proud of his Irish heritage and continued to march in the St. Patrick's Day Parade, wearing a green yarmulke woven with shamrocks.

A few months after being shot and lightly injured by a sniper in the Howard Johnson Hotel in 1973, O'Sullivan moved his family to Israel, arriving in the midst of the Yom Kippur War. He served briefly as a policeman in the Israel Police. Two years later, the family returned to Louisiana where O'Sullivan was appointed Chief of Police of Jennings. In 1979, he was appointed Chief of Police in Ocean Springs, a position he served in for three years. He was an amateur actor and enjoyed memorable roles with the Walter Anderson Players. O'Sullivan and his wife Dina alternated their homes between Minnesota and the Gulf Coast until finally settling down permanently in Ocean Springs in 1995.

A classmate of Lee Harvey Oswald, O'Sullivan testified before the Warren Commission which investigated the assassination of President Kennedy.

In his later years, O'Sullivan became a history teacher and ran Spiral Gallery, an art gallery on Government Street which drew an avant-garde poetry-reading crowd on Mississippi Saturday nights.

He had an eternal passion for the police force, Israel and the Jewish people, Mississippi and most of all, his beloved wife, Dina.

He is survived by his wife, daughters Erin Strong in California and Kelly Beck in Minnesota and son Arieh in Israel as well as eight grandchildren.

Funeral will be at Bradford-O'Keefe in Biloxi on Tuesday at 3:00. Burial will be at Southern Memorial Gardens immediately following.

The family requests no flowers. Donations can be made to the American Diabetes Association. 2005 The Sun Herald

 

[MacTheKnife]

The FBI Destruction of the Oswald note to the FBI

Destruction of the Oswald Note

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Yes...why would the FBI destroy a note that corroborates their manufactured psychological profile of Lee Harvey Oswald
as a lone, disaffected Commie lover who craved attention so he killed John F. Kennedy?

It makes no sense, does it? James Hosty says he was ordered to destroy the note from Oswald. Head of the Dallas Field Office Gordon Shanklin just denies the whole thing but Assistant Director William Sullivan confirms the incident.

So here is another mystery for the Warren Commission loving idiots to explain away, though they never really do.
Oswald tried to get in touch with Dallas FBI Agent Hosty yet the field office destroyed evidence of his visit and denied it.
Why?

 

[MacTheKnife]

How many coincidences have to happen before it's no longer a coincidence?

There is a long list of alleged co-incidences in the jfk assassination.

That Oswald by just pure chance happened to be working in a building that jfk would pass by and said building would have open windows courtesy of the secret service?

That Jack Ruby by just sheer co-incidence happened to be at the exact spot at the exact time that would allow him to kill Oswald. etc.etc.etc.

Let us examine just one of these:

JFK's revised motorcade route was never published in the newspapers, which raises a fascinating question, namely: How did the alleged assassin even know that the President would pass by the Texas School Book Depository in order for him to shoot him? In an interesting study, "The Mathematical Improbability of the Kennedy Assassination," The Dealey Plaza Echo (November 1999), pp. 2-6, Ed Dorsch, Jr. has calculated that the probability of Oswald and JFK coming within 100 yards of each other at random during his Presidency is approximately 1 in 1 hundred billion! This suggests an encounter by the two was almost certainly no accident . . . .


History Matters - The Framing of Oswald

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Obviously the route was known or opted for by coup insiders who had shooters waiting at the DalTex building, the TSBD and the grassy knoll near the railway yard. And of course the Secret Service violated their own protocols many times that day.
An excellent source with regard to the Secret Service standing down in Dallas Texas. The Secret Service Stand Down

Did the Warren Commission address any of this? Of course not.
It almost makes me want to take the idiot trolls off ignore so I could get their
priceless reaction to this but I already know they aren't smart enough to
rationalize the matter and they definitely aren't honest enough.

No, it's much better simply shutting them out.