What about the rest of Palestine?

[jwoodie]

It has occurred to me that almost all of the discussion about Palestine is centered on Gaza and its inhabitants. What about the rest of Palestine? What is its status? Is it part of Israel? Are its inhabitants citizens of Israel? What kind of an independent state would it be without Gaza and Hamas?

I ask these questions rhetorically in order to clarify the meaning of "Palestine" and the long term prospects of its inhabitants. Even if Hamas and its supporters are removed from Gaza, what would happen to the other Palestinian residents in the region? Will they ever become full citizens of any country? If not, what is their future?

 

[toobfreak]

It has occurred to me that almost all of the discussion about Palestine is centered on Gaza and its inhabitants. What about the rest of Palestine? What is its status? Is it part of Israel? Are its inhabitants citizens of Israel? What kind of an independent state would it be without Gaza and Hamas?

I ask these questions rhetorically in order to clarify the meaning of "Palestine" and the long term prospects of its inhabitants. Even if Hamas and its supporters are removed from Gaza, what would happen to the other Palestinian residents in the region? Will they ever become full citizens of any country? If not, what is their future?

There is no Palestine. The Palestinian people are an undefined haplogroup originating from Egypt. The Palestine region is not an internationally-recognized territory anymore than The Levant is.

Palestine is an archaic term now for a region shared by many other names--- at best, it is a bit like Lapland, a region across the northern Nordic region covering three countries.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

It has occurred to me that almost all of the discussion about Palestine is centered on Gaza and its inhabitants. What about the rest of Palestine? What is its status? Is it part of Israel? Are its inhabitants citizens of Israel? What kind of an independent state would it be without Gaza and Hamas?

I ask these questions rhetorically in order to clarify the meaning of "Palestine" and the long term prospects of its inhabitants. Even if Hamas and its supporters are removed from Gaza, what would happen to the other Palestinian residents in the region? Will they ever become full citizens of any country? If not, what is their future?

There is no Palestine. That was the name the Romans gave to the Land of Israel after the destruction of the Temple. It is AND WILL ALWAYS BE, The Land of Israel

 

[jwoodie]

There is no Palestine. The Palestinian people are an undefined haplogroup originating from Egypt. The Palestine region is not an internationally-recognized territory anymore than The Levant is.

FALSE

Palestine is an archaic term now for a region shared by many other names--- at best, it is a bit like Lapland, a region across the northern Nordic region covering three countries.

FALSE

This post seems to be a preemptive sidestep of a legitimate question. The UN and several countries recognize Palestine and Palestinians. Would you prefer them to be called Arab Muslims living in Israeli controlled territories?

I am not the least bit antisemitic or anti-Israel, so please spare me those pejoratives. I am simply asking if anyone has thought about the post-Hamas future of this "region." Apparently, you have not.

 

[toobfreak]

The UN and several countries recognize Palestine and Palestinians.

Recognize them as what? Who is their president? Prime Minister? What is the capital of Palestine?

There are several countries that still believe in witchcraft, voodoo, and the Yeti, too, but that doesn't make them valid.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I am not the least bit antisemitic or anti-Israel, so please spare me those pejoratives. I am simply asking if anyone has thought about the post-Hamas future of this "region." Apparently, you have not

It's The Land of Israel. That is biblical. Doesn't matter what the UN wants. God's will will be done

 

[Shusha]

It has occurred to me that almost all of the discussion about Palestine is centered on Gaza and its inhabitants. What about the rest of Palestine? What is its status? Is it part of Israel? Are its inhabitants citizens of Israel? What kind of an independent state would it be without Gaza and Hamas?

I ask these questions rhetorically in order to clarify the meaning of "Palestine" and the long term prospects of its inhabitants. Even if Hamas and its supporters are removed from Gaza, what would happen to the other Palestinian residents in the region? Will they ever become full citizens of any country? If not, what is their future?

"Palestine" refers to two loosely-related, semi-autonomous regions whose intended claim to sovereignty arises from the legal grey area of the principle of self-determination. (This principle of self-determination is in legal conflict with the principle of territorial integrity which is Israel's sovereign claim over the territory. Israel, up until recently, has been willing to set aside its right to territorial integrity in order to allow for the self-determination of the Arabs who claim to be "Palestinian".)

In order for Palestine to become a fully autonomous, fully functioning State (or two), it needs to develop a stable government capable of entering into agreements with other governments, and it needs to have a defined territory, preferably confirmed in legal agreements with all relevant neighboring countries. (Not being in a state of constant war with your neighbors would also go a long way to developing autonomy and economic viability.)

The fundamental reason Palestine in Areas A and B has failed to achieve independent sovereignty is its inability or refusal to accept a territorial settlement with Israel. (Whether you blame Israel for that or Arabs for that doesn't much matter - that's the preventative issue.) The fundamental reason Palestine in Gaza has failed to achieve independent sovereignty is the population's radicalization into terrorism.

Will they ever become citizens of their own country? Maybe? The problem with the principle of self-determination is that you can't just want it - you need to be able to achieve it. Can they?

In the meantime, Israel is obligated to do everything it can to protect its citizens.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The liberal "2 State Solution" is dead forever thanks to the mythical "Palestinians"

 

[MJB12741]

Bless you Hamas for making a two state solution impossible. Farewell "Palestinians" wherever you are to go.