Zone1 What Are Implications To The Circumcised About Their Claims For Salvation Through Christ Given Galatians 5 ?

[Monk-Eye]

" What Are Implications To The Circumcised About Their Claims For Salvation Through Christ Given Galatians 5 ? "

* Explain Your Opinion *

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5 - King James Version

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do...

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1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
...

. Are Circumcisions Performed Before An Age Of Consent An Act Of Illegitimate Aggression ?.

 

[Meriweather]

" What Are Implications To The Circumcised About Their Claims For Salvation Through Christ Given Galatians 5 ? "

* Explain Your Opinion *

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 5 - King James Version

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do...

www.biblegateway.com

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
...

. Are Circumcisions Performed Before An Age Of Consent An Act Of Illegitimate Aggression ?.

Many circumcisions today are for medical/health reasons. Whether this is necessary may be a debate for another thread. In Paul's time the Law stated a male must be circumcised to be or remain in God's grace. Once one chose the position that one law must be followed to remain in God's grace, that was choosing law--and then all laws must be followed to remain in God's grace. One cannot pick and choose which law(s) they will or will not follow. It must be all or nothing.

Paul was teaching that love of God and others (The Way that Jesus taught) is what should be the focus. If one was focused on that, there was no need to be distracted by a list of laws and checking those off.

 

[Hafar1014]

Jesus loves everyone except those who dont believe who are going to burn in hell and suffer forever

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus loves everyone except those who dont believe who are going to burn in hell and suffer forever

lashon hara. What are the consequences?

 

[Hafar1014]

lashon hara. What are the consequences?

I heard Jesus was deported last week

 

[Zebra]

I heard Jesus was deported last week

by whom?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Disingenuous Efforts Of Zealots To Obfuscate "

* Literal Words Of Inevitable Fall From Grace *

Many circumcisions today are for medical/health reasons. Whether this is necessary may be a debate for another thread.

Necessary or not , circumcision constitutes a covenant with consequences of judgement according to compliance with the whole mosaic law , and it is clearly stated that " christ shall profit you nothing " and " christ is become of no effect unto you " .

 

[Ace Nova]

God's covenant with Abraham is the foundation of God's Covenant of Grace.

Genesis 17:1:

The Covenant and Its Sign.

When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty. Walk before me and be blameless. I will establish my covenant between me and you and I will multiply you greatly.”

When God told Abraham to "Walk before me and be blameless" he is telling Abraham that he has the power and authority to forgive transgressions and if Abraham walks before him (follows him) he will be held blameless.

Genesis 3:

Abram immediately fell down upon his face. God said to him, 4“On my part, behold, my covenant with you: you will be the father of many nations. 5. You will no longer be called Abram, but Abraham, for I will make you the father of many nations. I will make you very, very fruitful. I will make nations come from you, and you shall give birth to kings. 7. I will establish my covenant with you for all generations. It will be an eternal covenant. I will be your God and the God of your descendants after you. 8. I will give you and your descendants after you this land where you are now an alien. All of the land of Canaan shall be your eternal possession. I will be your God.”

When God states, "I will be your God" that means Abraham and his descendants fall under his direct authority - which includes his authority to hold them "blameless" as long as they "walk before him" and fulfill their part of the covenant.

Genesis 9:

God said to Abraham, “On your part, you must observe my covenant, you and your descendants after you, for all time. 10.This is my covenant that you must observe, a covenant between me and your descendants after you: every male among you must be circumcised. 11. You shall circumcise the flesh of the male member. This shall be the sign of the covenant between me and you.

God states that "Every male among you must be circumcised". Then goes on to state, "You shall circumcise the flesh of the male member. This shall be the sign of the covenant between me and you."

Does God seemingly repeat himself here? No, I do not believe so. We can get a better understanding of how God regarded circumcision from Deuteronomy 12-19:

God’s Steadfast Love.

And so now, O Israel, what does the Lord, your God, require of you but to fear the Lord, your God, to walk in all of his ways, to love him, to serve the Lord, your God, with all your heart and all your soul, 13 and to observe the commandments and the statutes that I am giving you today for your own good. 14: Indeed the heavens and the highest heavens belong to the Lord, your God, as well as the earth and all that is in it, 15. yet the Lord’s sole delight was in your fathers. He loved them so much that he chose you, their descendants, above every other nation, which is still true today.

16. Therefore, circumcise the foreskin of your hearts, and stop being stiff-necked, for the Lord, your God, is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, a great God, mighty and awesome, who does not show partiality nor take a bribe. 18 He ensures justice for the orphan and the widow, and demonstrates his love for the foreigner by giving him food and clothing. 19 So now, show your love to the foreigner, for you were once foreigners in the land of Egypt.

Circumcision was considered both a Spiritual sacrifice and physical sacrifice. Spiritually, one had to "circumcise the foreskin of their hearts - which led to humility and trusting that if they followed God's commands, and held true to his covenant, God's grace would break their yolks of oppression - allowing them to no longer be "stiff necked."

Genesis 12:
Whenever baby boys are eight days old, they will be circumcised, whether they are your own children or the children of those whom you bought and who are foreigners and not of your bloodline. 13. You must circumcise those who are born in your house and those who are bought by you. Thus, my covenant will be marked in your flesh as an eternal covenant. 14. The male who is not circumcised, the one whose flesh of his member is not circumcised, is to be cut off from his people. He will have violated my covenant.”

To many, this passage could sound like a strict, "Old Testament" commandment. The reality is, this was God giving the gift of his Grace not only to Abraham and his bloodline but also to anyone "who is born in or brought into their house" - including foreigners.

The physical act of circumcision was "the symbol" of the covenant - not the covenant itself. For one could be physically circumcised but if they did not "circumcise the foreskins of their hearts" and follow God's ways, they would not fulfill God's covenant.

As others have pointed out - the physical act of circumcision helped a great deal in the health and sanitation of men (and women by spreading less disease) during those times. Most men would likely not have known this so for them, it truly was a sacrifice and act of faith. In my opinion, this demonstrates how God works in mysterious ways with us at times - but in the end, proves to have our best interests at heart.


Genesis 17:

17.;Abraham bowed down to the earth and laughed when he thought, “Shall a man who is one hundred years old have a son? And Sarah, who is ninety years old, can she give birth?” 18 Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live in your presence!”

19. But God said, “No, but Sarah, your wife, shall bear you a son, and you shall name him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an eternal covenant, that I will be his God and the God of his descendants after him. 20. As for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I will bless him and make him fruitful and very, very numerous. Twelve princes shall come from him and I will make him a great nation. 21. But I will establish my covenant with Isaac. Sarah shall give birth to him by this time next year.” 22. God thus finished speaking to Abraham, and rising into the heavens, he left him.

This further solidifies the fact that this was a very special covenant of grace - given by God to Abraham and his descendants. Although God would still bless Ishmael and his descendants, making them fruitful - he established this specific eternal covenant only with Abraham and Isaac and his descendants. The Israelites (descendants of Isaac) would be under God's authority and the requirements and benefits (Grace) associated with it.

In regards to the writings of Paul on the issue - Paul and the Apostles were under a significant amount of persecution from both the Jewish leaders and Rome at the time. Paul was teaching a very Spiritual form of Jesus' teachings - to the extent that both he and Peter had disagreements at times. In reference to the Spirit opposing the flesh and vice versa - Paul is spot on, in my humble opinion.

In my opinion, the idea is that Jesus also taught us how to live lives within society - even under the law as long as we held true to his two most important teachings - to love God with all your heart, soul and mind and to love your neighbor as yourself. If we followed those two teachings, most of the major teachings and laws would naturally fall into place. If we are clean in mind and Spirit - we would more than likely also be clean in the flesh.

Let's remember that Jesus "Did not come to abolish the teachings of the Prophets and Law but to fulfill it". Although many might not see it, God's grace was evident in the books of the Old Testament. Jesus was well aware of it - he quoted it and spoke of it regularly.

Luke 17:

20. The Coming of the Kingdom of God.

Once, the Pharisees asked him when the kingdom of God was coming. He answered, “The coming of the kingdom of God will not occur with signs that can be observed. 21. Nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

To finish - Catholics (and many Christians) pray "In the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit". It represents the Holy Trinity and through it - can also represent the balance we should seek in life, in my opinion. Mind - Body and Spirit - and instead of one being opposed to the other - we can acknowledge their differences but always strive for balance (mind), moderation (flesh) and humility (Spirit).

 

[Ace Nova]

I wanted to go back and add to Paul's writings about the opposition of the Spirit and the flesh - which is the argument against circumcision, etc but I timed out.

Paul is correct - for many people it could be but if a person achieves a certain level of balance with their minds, bodies and spirituality - they no longer should be "opposed" - at least not in a way that would cause major strife in a person's life.

If you throw a cup of oil and a cup of water over a salad in a bowl - they do not mix and the salad becomes a mess. If you first wash the salad with water and then douse it with oil, you'll have a clean salad and a pleasant salad dressing.

 

[Monk-Eye]

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Ace Nova , nothing which you have stated can dispel the galatian 5 statements " if ye be circumcised , christ shall profit you nothing " and " christ is become of no effect unto you " , so squirm all ewe like .

 

[Ace Nova]

" Subconscious Compulsion To Revile Phallus Mutilators *

* Lynch Pin Pulled And Dealing With Written Words *

Ace Nova , nothing which you have stated can dispel the galatian 5 statements " if ye be circumcised , christ shall profit you nothing " and " christ is become of no effect unto you " , so squirm all ewe like .

Incorrect, in my humble opinion.

I thought that my previous post would be clear in answering your apparent lack of wisdom on the subject.

Again - in my humble opinion - it is clear that circumcision was meant to be much more than just the physical act of cutting off the foreskin of a male person's member.

The physical act itself - as stated by God in Genesis - is only the "sign" (or physical sacrifice) done to represent man's acknowledgment of the covenant - NOT the covenant itself.

So when Paul stated that the "physical act of circumcision" does not affect believing in Christ - either way - he basically agreed with what God had already stated in Genesis - although many do not understand it or see it.

Pay close attention to how it is written:

God said to Abraham, “On your part, you must observe my covenant, you and your descendants after you, for all time. 10.This is my covenant that you must observe, a covenant between me and your descendants after you: (IN ORDER TO DO THIS) every male among you must be circumcised. (Of the heart) - . Deuteronomy 12.

(THEN) 11. You shall circumcise the flesh of the male member. This shall be the SIGN of the covenant between me and you.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Physical Versus Psychological Rituals "

* Pretending Something That Does Exist Does Not Exist *

The physical act itself - as stated by God in Genesis - is only the "sign" (or physical sacrifice) done to represent man's acknowledgment of the covenant - NOT the covenant itself.

Circumcision invokes the covenant and consequences follow .

A fate is any event which comes to pass , while destiny is a destination arriving through consequences of previous , current and future fates , where a change in a future fate changes destiny and the destination .

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


* Genesis 17 *

8 And to you and your descendants I will give the land where you are residing—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal possession; and I will be their God.”

9 God also said to Abraham, “You must keep My covenant—you and your descendants in the generations after you. 10 This is My covenant with you and your descendants after you, which you are to keep: Every male among you must be circumcised. 11 You are to circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and this will be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.

12 Generation after generation, every male must be circumcised when he is eight days old, including those born in your household and those purchased from a foreigner—even those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether they are born in your household or purchased, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh will be an everlasting covenant.

14 But if any male is not circumcised, he will be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”

 

[Ace Nova]

" Physical Versus Psychological Rituals "

* Pretending Something That Does Exist Does Not Exist *

Circumcision invokes the covenant and consequences follow .

A fate is any event which comes to pass , while destiny is a destination arriving through consequences of previous , current and future fates , where a change in a future fate changes destiny and the destination .

Circumcision is mankind's "part" of the covenant (not necessarily just male physical circumcision).

A covenant is a two-way street. God promises certain things, for certain people - if the people do their part of the covenant then it continues.

But it's not what you seem to be insinuating. The Israelites broke this covenant many times throughout history - almost the entire Old Testament speaks of it. And many times they returned to it and so forth. "The consequences" of breaking the covenant is that God would no longer protect them, or make them flourish and so forth. They would no longer be under his grace. The moment they return - and do their part, the covenant continues because it is an eternal covenant.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Physical Changes Incur Cosmological Potentials For Fates "

* Hoke Us Poke Us Consequences From Commission Of A Ritual *

Circumcision is mankind's "part" of the covenant (not necessarily just male physical circumcision).

The term right to describe law statutes is slang .

Perceive a social system were law statutes and religion are equivalent , then written laws are writs , which delineate the rites an individual is allowed to invoke , where every act of behavior is a ritual .

A circumcision would then be perceived as a ritual and consequently rules of the ritual are invoked , which means the fates of such an individual are judged by the whole of the law ( mosaic ) , through principalities invoked in nature as ordained by goad .

The principalities of judgement invoked through the covenant not only affect fates of the individual in their life time , but more profoundly to the wield imagination , when standing before a throne of judgement to an after life , salvation or damnation for the circumcised is based on compliance with mosaic law and invocation of christ will not benefit them .

From galations 5 and genesis 17 an invocation of christ will not relieve a male individual of accountability to the whole of the law ( mosaic ) when circumcised , as such are the fantastical rules .

* Reality Of Eighth Ate Day Rituals *

A covenant is a two-way street. God promises certain things, for certain people - if the people do their part of the covenant then it continues.
But it's not what you seem to be insinuating. The Israelites broke this covenant many times throughout history - almost the entire Old Testament speaks of it. And many times they returned to it and so forth. "The consequences" of breaking the covenant is that God would no longer protect them, or make them flourish and so forth. They would no longer be under his grace. The moment they return - and do their part, the covenant continues because it is an eternal covenant.

None here are denying accountability or consequences from disavowing a covenant into which one has been initiated through circumcision .

The nomian religions of torahnism and qurayshism seek to achieve genetic perpetuity of eponymous patriarchs , where the conviction is maintained through a ritual of circumcision that invokes a covenant along with its judgement according to compliance with the respective sectarian laws .

. Zone1 - Eponymous Nomian Patriarch Genetic Religions Of Torahnism And Qurayshism : Isaac Versus Ishmael Sacrifice Circumcision Option .

. End of Debate Over Whether To Reconcile .

. Are Circumcisions Performed Before An Age Of Consent An Act Of Illegitimate Aggression ? .

. Applying THe Term Rights As A Descriptor For Articles Of Constitution Is Slang And A Profound Error In Diction .

 

[Hafar1014]

by whom?

ICE he went back to Mexico

 

[Ace Nova]

" Physical Changes Incur Cosmological Potentials For Fates "

* Hoke Us Poke Us Consequences From Commission Of A Ritual *

The term right to describe law statutes is slang .

Perceive a social system were law statutes and religion are equivalent , then written laws are writs which delineate the rites an individual is allowed to invoke , where every act of behavior is a ritual .

A circumcision would then be perceived as a ritual and consequently rules of the ritual are invoked , which means the fates of such an individual are judged by the whole of the law ( mosaic ) , through principalities invoked in nature as ordained by goad .

The principalities of judgement invoked through the covenant not only affect fates of the individual in their life time , but more profoundly to the wield imagination , when standing before a throne of judgement to an after life , salvation or damnation for the circumcised is based on compliance with mosaic law and invocation of christ will not benefit them .

From galations 5 and genesis 17 an invocation of christ will not relieve a male individual of accountability to the whole of the law ( mosaic ) when circumcised , as such are the fantastical rules .

* Reality Of Eighth Ate Day Rituals *

None here are denying accountability or consequences from disavowing a covenant into which one has been initiated through circumcision .

The nomian religions of torahnism and qurayshism seek to achieve genetic perpetuity of eponymous patriarchs where the conviction is maintained through a ritual of circumcision that invokes a covenant along with its judgement .

. Zone1 - Eponymous Nomian Patriarch Genetic Religions Of Torahnism And Qurayshism : Isaac Versus Ishmael Sacrifice Circumcision Option .

. End of Debate Over Whether To Reconcile .

. Are Circumcisions Performed Before An Age Of Consent An Act Of Illegitimate Aggression ? .

Rabbinic Judaism asserts that Moses presented the laws to the Jewish people, and that the laws do not apply to Gentiles (including Christians), with the exception of the Seven Laws of Noah, which (it teaches) apply to all people.

The Covenant of Circumcision and Mosaic Law are not one and the same.

The Covenant of Circumcision applies to Abraham and all his descendants and states that as long as "A person walks before God (Trusts/Follows God) he will be held blameless" and God will be their God.

Mosaic Law was given specifically to the Israelites, as they were fleeing Egypt, for specific reasons.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Taunting Arrogance Of Delusions For Heresy Against Antinomian Principles "

* When Salvation Or Damnation Depends On Nomian Rules Of Ritual *

Rabbinic Judaism asserts that Moses presented the laws to the Jewish people, and that the laws do not apply to Gentiles (including Christians), with the exception of the Seven Laws of Noah, which (it teaches) apply to all people.
The Covenant of Circumcision and Mosaic Law are not one and the same.

The ethos for antinomianism from the gospel is based on circumcision , where salvation is independent from a covenant invoked through circumcision , which obligates an individual to comply with rituals of the whole law , as greeks considered the practice of circumcision to be abhorrent .

The ritual of circumcision invokes a covenant through physical consequences and spiritual consequences are also invoked according to galatians 5 and genesis 17 .

galatians 5
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
...
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


* Conjectures For Absolution Denied By A Spiritual Realm *

The Covenant of Circumcision applies to Abraham and all his descendants and states that as long as "A person walks before God (Trusts/Follows God) he will be held blameless" and God will be their God.

Your conjecture may seem plausible however it does nothing to establish as to which rituals one must follow to be held blameless .

genesis 17
1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty. Walk before Me and be blameless.
2 I will establish My covenant between Me and you, and I will multiply you exceedingly.”
...
11 You are to circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and this will be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.
...
13 Whether they are born in your household or purchased, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh will be an everlasting covenant.
14 But if any male is not circumcised, he will be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”


* Religious Polities With City State Laws For Preservation Of Eponymous Patriarchs *

Mosaic Law was given specifically to the Israelites, as they were fleeing Egypt, for specific reasons.

A religious polity issues retorts for violation of written laws as writs of rites for ritual , and applying the term right to mean true , or correct , or valid , or to represent articles of constitution , is misapplied , nonsense and slang .

Whichever proscriptions and prescriptions in writs for rites of ritual that represent the nomian legalism for the genetic religion of torahnism , those nomian laws would only apply within the city state of israel .

Whichever proscriptions and prescriptions in writs for rites of ritual that represent the nomian legalism of qurayshism , those nomian laws would only apply within the city state of hejaz .

An after life , a chance for eternal life , a life to come , a transmutation of soles , a reincarnation , a being born again are metaphors with a literal meaning for genetic continuance , where by an other , both figuratively and literally as ones self , through a necessary sophisticated physical state , may have an opportunity to experience sentience , sapience and introspection that is afforded as life , where failure to do so in perpetuity is ascribed the metaphors of final judgement , or eternal damnation , or the last day .

. End of Debate Over Whether To Reconcile .

 

[Ace Nova]

" Taunting Arrogance Of Delusions For Heresy Against Antinomian Principles "

* When Salvation Or Damnation Depends On Nomian Rules Of Ritual *

The ethos for antinomianism from the gospel is based on circumcision , where salvation is independent from a covenant invoked through circumcision , which obligates an individual to comply with rituals of the whole law , as greeks considered the practice of circumcision to be abhorrent .

The ritual of circumcision invokes a covenant through physical consequences and spiritual consequences are also invoked according to galatians 5 and genesis 17 .

galatians 5
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
...
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


* Conjectures For Absolution Denied By A Spiritual Realm *

Your conjecture may seem plausible however it does nothing to establish as to which rituals one must follow to be held blameless .

genesis 17
1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty. Walk before Me and be blameless.
2 I will establish My covenant between Me and you, and I will multiply you exceedingly.”
...
11 You are to circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and this will be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.
...
13 Whether they are born in your household or purchased, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh will be an everlasting covenant.
14 But if any male is not circumcised, he will be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”


* Religious Polities With City State Laws For Preservation Of Eponymous Patriarchs *

A religious polity issues retorts for violation of written laws as writs of rites for ritual , and applying the term right to mean true , or correct , or valid , or to represent articles of constitution , is misapplied , nonsense and slang .

Whichever proscriptions and prescriptions in writs for rites of ritual that represent the nomian legalism for the genetic religion of torahnism , those nomian laws would only apply within the city state of israel .

Whichever proscriptions and prescriptions in writs for rites of ritual that represent the nomian legalism of qurayshism , those nomian laws would only apply within the city state of hejaz .

An after life , a chance for eternal life , a life to come , a transmutation of soles , a reincarnation , a being born again are metaphors with a literal meaning for genetic continuance , where by an other , both figuratively and literally as ones self , through a necessary sophisticated physical state , may have an opportunity to experience sentience , sapience and introspection that is afforded as life , where failure to do so in perpetuity is ascribed the metaphors of final judgement , or eternal damnation , or the last day .

. End of Debate Over Whether To Reconcile .

The covenant of circumcision does not state anything about the covenant of Mosaic Law that was formed hundreds of years later.

The covenant is simple. It states "Walk before me and be blameless. I will be your God and you will be my people. Circumcise your hearts spiritually (open your hearts to God, trust God, follow God). And as a sacrifice and sign, perform male circumcision (which at the time was a major health benefit for the people, although they did not know it).

This covenant gave the Israelites the gift of God's grace - meaning that they as long as they "walked before God" they would be considered blameless.

This covenant predates and takes authority over the covenant of Mosaic Laws the same way God's covenant with mankind after the flood, sealed by the rainbow predates and takes authority over this one.

Covenant of Noah sealed by the Rainbow - God promises he will never allow all the living beings on the Earth to be destroyed by flood.

Covenant of Circumcision - God gives grace to Abraham and his descendants through Isaac, will be their God and they will be his people. Promises blessings for Ishmael lineage.

Covenant of Mosaic Law


If one breaks the covenant of Mosaic Law, it does not necessarily break the covenant of Circumcision - In the same way that if one breaks the covenant of circumcision, God will not break the covenant of Noah.



That said, as far as Paul is concerned - the quote from Paul was in response to a rival Jewish Christian Sect that believed that Jesus in the flesh was just a man - and that the Christ Spirit had entered him at Baptism and departed from him at death. They believed that one must follow strict Mosaic Law in order to be redeemed.

So Paul responded - that if that were the case, then "Christ is no benefit to them".

As far as where or to whom these covenants apply - that is between the individual and God. For only God knows what is in a person's heart.

 

[sparky]

and you folks wonder why it's so hard to 'believe'.......... ~S~

 

[Ace Nova]

and you folks wonder why it's so hard to 'believe'.......... ~S~

It's really not. These are semantics that only exist in one dimensional words.

The Spirit of God is a living, multi dimensional presence, who's breath is the living word and consciousness of all those who believe.