What ever happened to Hydrogen fuel cell automobiles??

[52ndStreet]

What ever happened to Hydrogen fuel cell automobiles?? Your responses.??

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Well,.....

Hydrogen Fuel-Cell Vehicles: Everything You Need to Know

They’re related to electric cars, but have pros and cons that make them very different.

www.caranddriver.com

And then...there's this

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What ever happened to Hydrogen fuel cell automobiles?? Your responses.??

They made zero sense. Unless the government is wasting money on them.

 

[egp320i]

no infrastructure to re-fuel and nobody wants to spend a dime to expand

 

[evenflow1969]

What ever happened to Hydrogen fuel cell automobiles?? Your responses.??

Still takes to much electricity to separate the hydrogen. They are making strides on this and it could be produced during non peak hours. The other problem is the storage problem. In gas form of hydrogen you can not store enough for range. It needs to be in liquid form. In liquid form it is really cold. So cold it makes its container brittle. The container breaks and high explosion risk.

 

[Samofvt]

What ever happened to Hydrogen fuel cell automobiles?? Your responses.??

Anything that makes sense was shot down by the Socialists over the past 20 years. Hydrogen is too ubiquitous, and therefore, they would not be able to control it. Anyone with a power source would be able to manufacture their own fuel. We can't have that, now, can we?

It's the same reason they are dismantling hydro power dams everywhere they can con the locals into thinking they are environmentally harmful.

 

[Samofvt]

https://insideevs.com/news/685267/toyota-hilux-hydrogen-fuel-cell-prototype/

 

[toobfreak]

What ever happened to Hydrogen fuel cell automobiles?? Your responses.??

They are out there. But EVs have sucked a great deal of interest out of the market, largely by the 2035 EV mandate! But the main thing holding back hydrogen fuel cell cars are two things:

1. Their cost. Their initial cost would put them on the road only for the rich and famous!
2. Hydrogen. It is not that easy or cheap to come by and it isn't just laying around to pick up. It would take considerable hydrogen manufacturing facilities to produce enough. Then there is the matter of storing and carrying around enough in the car to be useful. Basically a pressurized tank.

 

[HaShev]

I used to think it was the combustion threat, but when I saw how much water they produce- x the amount of cars on the road, perhaps there's more to the story, like wet roads and if vaporised perhaps fog it would create???
I still hold the key to improving ev range and infrastructure but brainiacs have "no solicitation" mindsets and egos that can't believe some outsider can have the solutions they overlooked.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Anything that makes sense was shot down by the Socialists over the past 20 years. Hydrogen is too ubiquitous, and therefore, they would not be able to control it. Anyone with a power source would be able to manufacture their own fuel. We can't have that, now, can we?

It's the same reason they are dismantling hydro power dams everywhere they can con the locals into thinking they are environmentally harmful.

Hydrogen is too ubiquitous, and therefore, they would not be able to control it.

Kind of the opposite. Definitely a stupid "source" of energy.

Anyone with a power source would be able to manufacture their own fuel.

You already have a power source? Why would you waste it on generating H2?

 

[Captain Caveman]

What ever happened to Hydrogen fuel cell automobiles?? Your responses.??

PS - are you a bot?

 

[Samofvt]

Hydrogen is too ubiquitous, and therefore, they would not be able to control it.

Kind of the opposite. Definitely a stupid "source" of energy.

Hard to believe I have to explain this, but: do you have water? Then you have Hydrogen: H2O

It is very easy to separate hydrogen from the water molecule through an electrolytic reaction. All you need is an electrical current, an anode, a cathode, and water. Storing hydrogen gas requires a little more equipment, but it is not difficult. You could build your own small system that would easily fit in your basement or car port.

Anyone with a power source would be able to manufacture their own fuel.

You already have a power source? Why would you waste it on generating H2?

The reason to to generate Hydrogen gas is because it is portable and remains stable until it is combusted. You could not take your rooftop solar power source with you on the road, where you need the power—nor a wind turbine, nor even a water-powered turbine. Large-scale hydrogen storage for solar farms is a significant topic. The systems are very expensive at utility scale.

Instead of needing to plug the vehicle battery into a power source to recharge it, you store the power to go as compressed hydrogen gas. Then burn it (or convert it to electricity) when you need the power. The vehicle still needs a battery, but one not much bigger than the one you use in your combustion engine vehicle.

 

[westwall]

Hard to believe I have to explain this, but: do you have water? Then you have Hydrogen: H2O

It is very easy to separate hydrogen from the water molecule through an electrolytic reaction. All you need is an electrical current, an anode, a cathode, and water. Storing hydrogen gas requires a little more equipment, but it is not difficult. You could build your own small system that would easily fit in your basement or car port.



The reason to to generate Hydrogen gas is because it is portable and remains stable until it is combusted. You could not take your rooftop solar power source with you on the road where you need the power—nor a wind turbine. Large-scale hydrogen storage for solar farms is a significant topic. The systems are very expensive at utility scale.

Instead of needing to plug the vehicle battery into a power source to recharge it, you store the power to go as compressed hydrogen gas. Then burn it (or convert it to electricity) when you need the power. The vehicle still needs a battery, but one not much bigger than the one you use in your combustion engine vehicle.

It's only easy if you have a ton of electrical power to separate the H molecule from the O molecule.

 

[Samofvt]

It's only easy if you have a ton of electrical power to separate the H molecule from the O molecule.

The Energy required is no different than the energy people use to recharge their EVs. There may be a few percent difference due to efficiency losses—less than 10%. The Hydrogen cell will be more efficient than Li-ion battery storage, especially compared to Li-ion batteries that are a few years old, as their charging capacity degrades over time.

 

[westwall]

The Energy required is no different than the energy people use to recharge their EVs. There may be a few percent difference due to efficiency losses—less than 10%. The Hydrogen cell will be more efficient than Li-ion battery storage, especially compared to Li-ion batteries that are a few years old, as their charging capacity degrades over time.

Yes, it is actually much higher.

 

[Samofvt]

Yes, it is actually much higher.

The real problem is energy density. Hydrogen gas is not very energy dense. That's why they can only get a mileage range of 300 to 400 miles for the hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Even with large storage tanks.

A better solution is synthetic fuel made from carbon. Almost the same as the distilled petrol products we use today, carbon based fuel is the only way to get the energy density we need. And it's good for the environment: it will keep the planet green.

You would NOT be able to build your own carbon-synthetic fuel production in your basement ;-) At least not with today's technology.

Synthetic carbon based gas and diesel will be the future of vehicles and home heating.

 

[egp320i]

anybody read the story about a guy in OH that built an engine that worked on water? water was split to hydrogen and water vapor was the exhaust.
well the guy up and went poof and his likely not patented idea went poof too.

not sure it's true but big oil would have a huge say in filling your tank with cheap tap water vs gasoline

 

[HaShev]

The real problem is energy density. Hydrogen gas is not very energy dense. That's why they can only get a mileage range of 300 to 400 miles for the hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Even with large storage tanks.

A better solution is synthetic fuel made from carbon. Almost the same as the distilled petrol products we use today, carbon based fuel is the only way to get the energy density we need. And it's good for the environment: it will keep the planet green.

You would NOT be able to build your own carbon-synthetic fuel production in your basement ;-) At least not with today's technology.

Synthetic carbon based gas and diesel will be the future of vehicles and home heating.

but once again, I hold the key to extended range with ideas to self generate power on the automobile to make either electric or hydrogen or hybrids go further distance before recharge or refuel. Like someone mentioned, they don't care, because they are trying to HINDER ADVANCEMENTS.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Hard to believe I have to explain this, but: do you have water? Then you have Hydrogen: H2O

It is very easy to separate hydrogen from the water molecule through an electrolytic reaction. All you need is an electrical current, an anode, a cathode, and water. Storing hydrogen gas requires a little more equipment, but it is not difficult. You could build your own small system that would easily fit in your basement or car port.



The reason to to generate Hydrogen gas is because it is portable and remains stable until it is combusted. You could not take your rooftop solar power source with you on the road, where you need the power—nor a wind turbine, nor even a water-powered turbine. Large-scale hydrogen storage for solar farms is a significant topic. The systems are very expensive at utility scale.

Instead of needing to plug the vehicle battery into a power source to recharge it, you store the power to go as compressed hydrogen gas. Then burn it (or convert it to electricity) when you need the power. The vehicle still needs a battery, but one not much bigger than the one you use in your combustion engine vehicle.

Hard to believe I have to explain this, but: do you have water? Then you have Hydrogen: H2O

That's like saying, you have CO2 and H2O, you can make methane!

It is very easy to separate hydrogen from the water molecule through an electrolytic reaction. All you need is an electrical current, an anode, a cathode, and water.

Yes, you've wasted energy. Why?

 

[Samofvt]

Hard to believe I have to explain this, but: do you have water? Then you have Hydrogen: H2O

That's like saying, you have CO2 and H2O, you can make methane!

Your original question implied that hydrogen is not abundant. I'm just pointing out that it IS abundant. Water is made of hydrogen bonded to oxygen.

It is very easy to separate hydrogen from the water molecule through an electrolytic reaction. All you need is an electrical current, an anode, a cathode, and water.

Yes, you've wasted energy. Why?

Not wasted energy: transfered it. The electrical energy you used separating the hydrogen from the oxygen is stored as potential chemical energy again in the hydrogen gas.

The point is, you can't take your electrical outlet on the road with you, but you can take a bottle of hydrogen gas. The hydrogen gas can then be used to generate the power you need to propel your vehicle. The stored energy is given off when the hydrogen reacts with oxygen from the atmosphere to form water again.