What Offense Did the Ukrainian People Commit That Caused Them to Be Bombed into Oblivion by The Russian Military at the Command of Putin?

[TruthNotBS]

Slobodan Milošević - Wikipedia

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So what about him? I don't have much to say about him. Many Serbians love him and Croatians hate his guts.

 

[Litwin]

So what about him? I don't have much to say about him. Many Serbians love him and Croatians hate his guts.

Bosnian genocide case - Wikipedia

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49% of Moscow imperialists support withdrawal of troops from Ukraine, poll says.

What a shift, a year ago 🇷🇺 🐷 🇷🇺 85%+ supported the war Moscow empire should be destroyed.

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[Zebra]

In thinking about why Israel is destroying Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, it caused me, in comparison, to wonder why Putin began bombing Ukraine. I honestly could not remember why this all began.

I'm sure we all agree that retaliating for having been attacked and having your citizens abducted and killed is more than reason enough to go after the perpetrators, even if we do not necessarily agree with how they are going about carrying this out. But what I'm struck with at the moment is how Putin was NOT defending Russia, or retaliating for an attack against the country and its people. This wholesale slaughter of innocent people seems to be based on ideology?

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In thinking about why Israel is destroying Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, it caused me, in comparison, to wonder why Putin began bombing Ukraine. I honestly could not remember why this all began.

I'm sure we all agree that retaliating for having been attacked and having your citizens abducted and killed is more than reason enough to go after the perpetrators, even if we do not necessarily agree with how they are going about carrying this out. But what I'm struck with at the moment is how Putin was NOT defending Russia, or retaliating for an attack against the country and its people. This wholesale slaughter of innocent people seems to be based on ideology?

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[ThirdTerm]

As Serbia's party leader and president, Milosevic pursued Serbian nationalist policies that contributed to the breakup of the socialist Yugoslav federation. There was no ultranationalism when Ukrainian, Polish, Baltic, Serbian and Albanian peoples lived peacefully behind the Iron Curtain. The fall of the Soviet Union gave rise to Nazi leaders such as Milosevic and Zelensky as the dark forces of nationalism were unleashed. Nationalism was among the causes of the collapse of communism. Zelensky's view of Ukraine has been both populist and nationalist, which was a major provocation for Moscow.

Ukraine according to Zelensky: Populism and National Identity in Presidential Addresses to Compatriots

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13537113.2023.2260047

 

[AntonToo]

And I already told you that no one makes any equivalence between the US and Russia. Russia being an authoritarian shithole doesn't make your new homeland an open democracy. Your new homeland is a plutocracy.

Ok, lets go at it from comparative perspective - which countries are open democracies and not plutocracies according to you?

Try to throw in some reasons of the fundamental difference that makes them democracies vs supposedly not-democracy United States.

 

[AntonToo]

As Serbia's party leader and president, Milosevic pursued Serbian nationalist policies that contributed to the breakup of the socialist Yugoslav federation. There was no ultranationalism when Ukrainian, Polish, Baltic, Serbian and Albanian peoples lived peacefully behind the Iron Curtain. The fall of the Soviet Union gave rise to Nazi leaders such as Milosevic and Zelensky as the dark forces of nationalism were unleashed. Nationalism was among the causes of the collapse of communism. Zelensky's view of Ukraine has been both populist and nationalist, which was a major provocation for Moscow.

Ukraine according to Zelensky: Populism and National Identity in Presidential Addresses to Compatriots

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13537113.2023.2260047

In what way is a jew named Zelensky a Nazi?

Did he proclaim some sort of racial superiority? Did he put classes of people in concentration camps and gas them? Did he invade other countries?

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[TruthNotBS]

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[ESay]

Ok, lets go at it from comparative perspective - which countries are open democracies and not plutocracies according to you?

Try to throw in some reasons of the fundamental difference that makes them democracies vs supposedly not-democracy United States.

Well, I should admit that maybe in every Western 'democracy' big capital has more influence on politics than common people do. But I would say that Western European countries are more democratic than the US is. At least big business there is quite limited in abusing abilities towards their workers and has some social responsibilities.

 

[AntonToo]

Well, I should admit that maybe in every Western 'democracy' big capital has more influence on politics than common people do. But I would say that Western European countries are more democratic than the US is. At least big business there is quite limited in abusing abilities towards their workers and has some social responsibilities.

So no, you can't name any real democracies in the world, every country is more or less a plutocracy. From Russia to America, to Japan and Sweeden.

 

[ESay]

So no, you can't name any real democracies in the world, every country is more or less a plutocracy. From Russia to America, to Japan and Sweeden.

To some extent, yes. What differs is the level of plutocracy. While say Scandinavian countries have it among the lowest, the US has it among the highest.

 

[AntonToo]

To some extent, yes,

Yea yea sure - no real democracies according to you.

I rest my case.

 

[ESay]

Yea yea sure - no real democracies according to you.

I rest my case.

Yeah, okay. And since we finished with democracies, I want to add something more. This discussion about democracies didn't mean much, because 'democracy' isn't the goal in itself, it is mostly a tool to build a fair and prosperous society. And when a democracy (or kinda democracy) fails to do so, then there are few reasons of its existence.

I don't want to say that 'democratic values' have no meaning. Civil liberties, freedom of speech and expression etc (even given that they don't exist almost nowhere in their pure meaning) are also important for people. But. What the vast majority of people value the most is financial stability, jobs that can support them and their children, affordable and reasonable healthcare, housing, education for their children, safety on the streets, pension programs etc. In other words, quite practical things.

And when the people in a country masquerading as democracy can't afford all that, this country brings down the very idea of democracy and makes authoritarian regimes like China and Russia look more preferably, at least for people in these countries.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Yea yea sure - no real democracies according to you.

I rest my case.

Can you identify a real democracy? Where?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Yea yea sure - no real democracies according to you.

I rest my case.

You don't have a "case" to rest.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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[TruthNotBS]

Anton's amazing "liberal democracy":

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[AntonToo]

Can you identify a real democracy? Where?

America nutter-butter.

Most democratic countries worldwide 2023 | Statista

The most democratic countries worldwide are the Nordic countries and New Zealand, reflecting the countries high levels of openness and political trust.

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Ranking

www.democracymatrix.com

Country Rankings – The Global State of Democracy 2023

This year, we have included annual global rankings of country performance for each of the categories of democratic performance—Representation, Rights, Rule of Law, and Participation— rather than classifying regimes on an overall basis..

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List of Democratic Countries - Javatpoint

List of Democratic Countries with European Countries, Apps Banned in India, US Presidents, Presidents of India, States in India, Inorganic Compounds,Billionaires, Mughal Emperors etc.

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Explore the Map

Freedom House - Explore the map of global freedom and internet freedom around the world.

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Democracy Index by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[TruthNotBS]

America nutter-butter.

Most democratic countries worldwide 2023 | Statista

The most democratic countries worldwide are the Nordic countries and New Zealand, reflecting the countries high levels of openness and political trust.

www.statista.com

Ranking

www.democracymatrix.com

Country Rankings – The Global State of Democracy 2023

This year, we have included annual global rankings of country performance for each of the categories of democratic performance—Representation, Rights, Rule of Law, and Participation— rather than classifying regimes on an overall basis..

www.idea.int

List of Democratic Countries - Javatpoint

List of Democratic Countries with European Countries, Apps Banned in India, US Presidents, Presidents of India, States in India, Inorganic Compounds,Billionaires, Mughal Emperors etc.

www.javatpoint.com

Explore the Map

Freedom House - Explore the map of global freedom and internet freedom around the world.

freedomhouse.org

Democracy Index by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[TruthNotBS]

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[AntonToo]

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Yea isn't it funny how everyone thinks you are full of crap?