Who Is Occupying Who's Land?

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well this is very subjective.

The Palestinians have been seeking peace based on international law and UN resolutions for decades. Israel and it toadies have rejected all requests and opted for violence.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians have been demanding their way for several decades. They attempt to use the evolution of western law over time to suggest that the Partition Plan and the establishment of the State of Israel is some sort of violation of this or that in order to justify their continued Jihadist activities.

The Arab Palestinian is not in search of peace, but in the capitulation to their demands they made over a half century ago. They attempt through twisting the west principles, concepts and laws, to justify that which they failed to achieve in conflict. The have never demonstrated that first set towards good faith negotiations and peaceful solutions.

While the wisdom of some of the decisions that Israel has made, over time, has been questioned --- and while it might be unreasonable for any nation to adhere to every nuance, principle, protocol and law in an armed struggle for its existence over such a duration of time, Israel is by far, the more moral and ethical party to the conflict. The Arab-Palestinian even now, uses periods of peace to replenish their means to pursue Jihad, and uses periods of conflict to bait and trap Israel in legal dilemma and propaganda targets. HAMAS did not agree to a ceasefire because it was the right thing to do, but because they were exhausted and on the edge of being severely crippled.

But in no way can it be said that HAMAS (or any other Palestinian movement) has been "seeking peace based on international law and UN resolutions for decades." They incite a conflict, they fight until the hurt, then they call for peace and declare victory. This is their standard model for the perpetual victim --- start the fight and then call foul. Never has the history of the people been more cowardly then they are today.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

The Palestinians are doing what, since the late 15th century, people have always done when their homes and land are taken from them by settlers/invaders. The Native Americans resisted and fought for many decades until they were ethnically cleansed and moved into gulags called reservations where alcoholism and other ills have made most of them a passive population that accepts an existence financed by handouts from the descendants of the settlers/invaders. The indigenous people of Australia put up little or no resistance and have suffered the same fate as the Native Americans making it clear that the settler/invader will seek to achieve total domination regardless of the approach taken by the indigenous people.

Indigenous people that have successfully prevented complete domination have almost always utilized violent resistance to achieve national liberation unless overwhelming positive demographic factors have allowed them to regain control of their land through democratic means such as the cases of Ecuador and Bolivia. Often, however, negative demographics (from the indigenous people's point of view) through genocide or assimilation have resulted in the disappearance of the indigenous culture and people as in Chile, Argentina, Brazil etc.

Ireland is an interesting case. Through continued resistance and violence, the indigenous people were able to regain most of their land and independence, notwithstanding strong opposition of what was, at the time, a leading world power. Without the violence and resistance (which the UK deemed terrorism) which made life uncomfortable for the settlers/invaders, there would have probably have been continued settlement by the English and Scots and it is doubtful there would be a Republic of Ireland today. Of course everyone knows about the South African and Rhodesian models. In both cases, a combination of violent resistance and international sanctions resulted in success for the indigenous people in regaining their land.

To single out the Palestinians for resisting the transfer of their land and homes to European settlers is not only unfair, it is a clear cut case of racism. Why should the Palestinians be asked to timidly accept their ethnic cleansing without resistance? Is there a difference between the Spaniards and Portuguese, authorized by the Pope to settle and invade the New World any different from the UN authorizing the European Jews to settle and invade Palestine?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well this is very subjective.

The Palestinians have been seeking peace based on international law and UN resolutions for decades. Israel and it toadies have rejected all requests and opted for violence.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians have been demanding their way for several decades. They attempt to use the evolution of western law over time to suggest that the Partition Plan and the establishment of the State of Israel is some sort of violation of this or that in order to justify their continued Jihadist activities.

The Arab Palestinian is not in search of peace, but in the capitulation to their demands they made over a half century ago. They attempt through twisting the west principles, concepts and laws, to justify that which they failed to achieve in conflict. The have never demonstrated that first set towards good faith negotiations and peaceful solutions.

While the wisdom of some of the decisions that Israel has made, over time, has been questioned --- and while it might be unreasonable for any nation to adhere to every nuance, principle, protocol and law in an armed struggle for its existence over such a duration of time, Israel is by far, the more moral and ethical party to the conflict. The Arab-Palestinian even now, uses periods of peace to replenish their means to pursue Jihad, and uses periods of conflict to bait and trap Israel in legal dilemma and propaganda targets. HAMAS did not agree to a ceasefire because it was the right thing to do, but because they were exhausted and on the edge of being severely crippled.

But in no way can it be said that HAMAS (or any other Palestinian movement) has been "seeking peace based on international law and UN resolutions for decades." They incite a conflict, they fight until the hurt, then they call for peace and declare victory. This is their standard model for the perpetual victim --- start the fight and then call foul. Never has the history of the people been more cowardly then they are today.

Most Respectfully,
R

...IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES...

A C.1 330 of 14 October 1948

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

These are some big tears.

The Palestinians are doing what, since the late 15th century, people have always done when their homes and land are taken from them by settlers/invaders. The Native Americans resisted and fought for many decades until they were ethnically cleansed and moved into gulags called reservations where alcoholism and other ills have made most of them a passive population that accepts an existence financed by handouts from the descendants of the settlers/invaders. The indigenous people of Australia put up little or no resistance and have suffered the same fate as the Native Americans making it clear that the settler/invader will seek to achieve total domination regardless of the approach taken by the indigenous people.

(COMMENT)

The world has come a long way since the political, colonial, expansionist, and revolutionary thinking of the 16th and 17th century. History is what it is. And in cases of technically superior over the inferior cultures, the shadow of that thinking still exists. But that is not justification for a 21st culture attempting to apply failed strategies of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. I'm sure you would prefer some other fate than that of the American Indian or the Aborigines of Australia.

Indigenous people that have successfully prevented complete domination have almost always utilized violent resistance to achieve national liberation unless overwhelming positive demographic factors have allowed them to regain control of their land through democratic means such as the cases of Ecuador and Bolivia. Often, however, negative demographics (from the indigenous people's point of view) through genocide or assimilation have resulted in the disappearance of the indigenous culture and people as in Chile, Argentina, Brazil etc.

(COMMENT)

That has nothing to do with the "Question of Palestine." The Arab Palestinian are not in danger of genocide. In fact their numbers are increasing, not decreasing. The tear jerking attempt to associate the plight of the Arab Palestinian with the fate of faded cultures of three and four centuries ago is merely a bit for sympathy. In stead of the Arab Palestinian having the fortitude to pick themselves up, shake themselves off --- dust-off the dirt and start building a new nation (something that they and their children can be proud of, --- they instead adopted the way of Jihad.

Ireland is an interesting case. Through continued resistance and violence, the indigenous people were able to regain most of their land and independence, notwithstanding strong opposition of what was, at the time, a leading world power. Without the violence and resistance (which the UK deemed terrorism) which made life uncomfortable for the settlers/invaders, there would have probably have been continued settlement by the English and Scots and it is doubtful there would be a Republic of Ireland today. Of course everyone knows about the South African and Rhodesian models. In both cases, a combination of violent resistance and international sanctions resulted in success for the indigenous people in regaining their land.

(COMMENT)

This is merely an attempt to justify a continuing level of Jihad. This has nothing to do with the Occupied Territories. The differences between the 6 Northern Counties of Ireland and the south are largely religious in nature. The case of South Africa was a case of racial segregation. Rhodesia was a compilation of issues. Needless to say, the Rhodesian model culminated into a naturally evolving two-state solution.

But again, this is merely another Arab Palestinian justification for a continued "violent resistance." In fact, nothing you've said thus far, even remotely sounds like and Arab Palestinian attempting to achieve a solution through peaceful means. It is all about why the Arab Palestinian should use violence; throwing a tantrum because the world isn't fair. It is again an extension of their past practice of choosing violence over peaceful means. And it is why --- that ultimately --- the Arab Palestinians will be a failed state. They haven't the knowledge, skills and abilities (let alone the cultural drive) to start a nation building process. (Put down the weapons, stop crying, and pick-up the shovel; start building.

“The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.” ― Lao Tzu​

To single out the Palestinians for resisting the transfer of their land and homes to European settlers is not only unfair, it is a clear cut case of racism. Why should the Palestinians be asked to timidly accept their ethnic cleansing without resistance? Is there a difference between the Spaniards and Portuguese, authorized by the Pope to settle and invade the New World any different from the UN authorizing the European Jews to settle and invade Palestine?

(COMMENT)

Again with the whining over a decision that was made a half-century ago and fought over. Get over it. Right, wrong or otherwise, it was a decision made.

• Excerpt:

Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,
Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfils the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders; [A/67/L.28 --- 26 November 2012]
​

Now it is time for the Arab Palestinian to build a "viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel" so that you can achieve something negotiated that will start on the basis of the pre-1967 borders. Establish some credibility and come together on a workable solution that is a benefit to both parties.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, the All Palestine Government.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well this is very subjective.

The Palestinians have been seeking peace based on international law and UN resolutions for decades. Israel and it toadies have rejected all requests and opted for violence.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians have been demanding their way for several decades. They attempt to use the evolution of western law over time to suggest that the Partition Plan and the establishment of the State of Israel is some sort of violation of this or that in order to justify their continued Jihadist activities.

The Arab Palestinian is not in search of peace, but in the capitulation to their demands they made over a half century ago. They attempt through twisting the west principles, concepts and laws, to justify that which they failed to achieve in conflict. The have never demonstrated that first set towards good faith negotiations and peaceful solutions.

While the wisdom of some of the decisions that Israel has made, over time, has been questioned --- and while it might be unreasonable for any nation to adhere to every nuance, principle, protocol and law in an armed struggle for its existence over such a duration of time, Israel is by far, the more moral and ethical party to the conflict. The Arab-Palestinian even now, uses periods of peace to replenish their means to pursue Jihad, and uses periods of conflict to bait and trap Israel in legal dilemma and propaganda targets. HAMAS did not agree to a ceasefire because it was the right thing to do, but because they were exhausted and on the edge of being severely crippled.

But in no way can it be said that HAMAS (or any other Palestinian movement) has been "seeking peace based on international law and UN resolutions for decades." They incite a conflict, they fight until the hurt, then they call for peace and declare victory. This is their standard model for the perpetual victim --- start the fight and then call foul. Never has the history of the people been more cowardly then they are today.

Most Respectfully,
R

...IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES...

A C.1 330 of 14 October 1948

(COMMENT)

I think you will find that the All Palestine Government was a puppet regime of the Egyptians, and that it was dissolved by the Egyptians. It never represented the Arab Palestinians. At that time, the Arab Palestinian was represented by the Arab Higher Committee.

But in any event, the Israeli's Declared Independence several months earlier, and in accordance with the UN "Steps Preparatory to Independence." This is a case of the Egyptian APG trying to declare Independence on the territory as already recognized as Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Pay attention.

Even is the accusation was true, as you stated, all the Palestinian People did was form a government that is cooperating in full or in part, with a known and designated foreign terrorist organization

Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party in Palestine. The Palestinians do not buy into that third grade terrorist name calling.

By the way, you have never specified why those clowns designated Hamas to be terrorists.

(COMMENT)

HAMAS and it associates PIJ (et al) are a terrorist organization be cause it has a past history of criminal behaviors that include:

• seriously intimidating a population, or
• unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
• seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,

• HAMAS history includes terrorist offences:
  • (a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
  • (b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
  • (c) kidnapping or hostage taking;
  • (d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility;
  • (e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
  • (f) manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives;
  • (g) ...; indiscriminate rocket and mortar attacks;
  • (h) ...;
  • (i) threatening to commit any of the acts listed in (a) to (h).

Again, your position is solely based on trying to establish a justification for the continuation of violence, rather than focusing on peace initiatives.

This is very much a HAMAS type of approach.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have been seeking peace based on international law and UN resolutions for decades. Israel and it toadies have rejected all requests and opted for violence.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

P F Tinmore, et al,

Pay attention.

Even is the accusation was true, as you stated, all the Palestinian People did was form a government that is cooperating in full or in part, with a known and designated foreign terrorist organization

Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party in Palestine. The Palestinians do not buy into that third grade terrorist name calling.

By the way, you have never specified why those clowns designated Hamas to be terrorists.

(COMMENT)

HAMAS and it associates PIJ (et al) are a terrorist organization be cause it has a past history of criminal behaviors that include:

• seriously intimidating a population, or
• unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
• seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,

• HAMAS history includes terrorist offences:
  • (a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
  • (b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
  • (c) kidnapping or hostage taking;
  • (d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility;
  • (e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
  • (f) manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives;
  • (g) ...; indiscriminate rocket and mortar attacks;
  • (h) ...;
  • (i) threatening to commit any of the acts listed in (a) to (h).

Again, your position is solely based on trying to establish a justification for the continuation of violence, rather than focusing on peace initiatives.

This is very much a HAMAS type of approach.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have been seeking peace based on international law and UN resolutions for decades. Israel and it toadies have rejected all requests and opted for violence.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

OMG! I didn't know "the Palestinians have been seelking peace for decades based on UN reolutions." Was the rejection of UN resolution 181 & the election of Hamas part of this noble peace loving effort by the Palestinians?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, the All Palestine Government.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well this is very subjective.

The Palestinians have been seeking peace based on international law and UN resolutions for decades. Israel and it toadies have rejected all requests and opted for violence.

(COMMENT)

The Arab Palestinians have been demanding their way for several decades. They attempt to use the evolution of western law over time to suggest that the Partition Plan and the establishment of the State of Israel is some sort of violation of this or that in order to justify their continued Jihadist activities.

The Arab Palestinian is not in search of peace, but in the capitulation to their demands they made over a half century ago. They attempt through twisting the west principles, concepts and laws, to justify that which they failed to achieve in conflict. The have never demonstrated that first set towards good faith negotiations and peaceful solutions.

While the wisdom of some of the decisions that Israel has made, over time, has been questioned --- and while it might be unreasonable for any nation to adhere to every nuance, principle, protocol and law in an armed struggle for its existence over such a duration of time, Israel is by far, the more moral and ethical party to the conflict. The Arab-Palestinian even now, uses periods of peace to replenish their means to pursue Jihad, and uses periods of conflict to bait and trap Israel in legal dilemma and propaganda targets. HAMAS did not agree to a ceasefire because it was the right thing to do, but because they were exhausted and on the edge of being severely crippled.

But in no way can it be said that HAMAS (or any other Palestinian movement) has been "seeking peace based on international law and UN resolutions for decades." They incite a conflict, they fight until the hurt, then they call for peace and declare victory. This is their standard model for the perpetual victim --- start the fight and then call foul. Never has the history of the people been more cowardly then they are today.

Most Respectfully,
R

...IN VIRTUE OF THE NATURAL RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE OF PALESTINE FOR SELF-DETERMINATION WHICH PRINCIPLE IS SUPPORTED BY THE CHARTERS OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS, THE UNITED NATIONS AND OTHERS AND IN VIEW OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER PALESTINE WHICH HAD PREVENTED THE ARABS FROM EXERCISING THEIR INDEPENDENCE, THE ARABS OF PALESTINE WHO ARE THE OWNERS OF THE COUNTRY AND ITS INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS AND WHO CONSTITUTE THE GREAT MAJORITY OF ITS LEGAL POPULATION HAVE SOLEMNLY RESOLVED TO DECLARE PALESTINE IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES...

A C.1 330 of 14 October 1948

(COMMENT)

I think you will find that the All Palestine Government was a puppet regime of the Egyptians, and that it was dissolved by the Egyptians. It never represented the Arab Palestinians. At that time, the Arab Palestinian was represented by the Arab Higher Committee.

So?The Jewish Agency, that declared Israel's independence, is a foreign organization that is the puppet of the foreign World Zionist Organization. There were no natives involved in the creation of this government. A government draws its legitimacy from the will of the people. The creation of Israel was with the virtually unanimous rejection of the people. The "legitimacy" of Israel is not by the will of the people but at the point of a gun by foreigners.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

But in any event, the Israeli's Declared Independence several months earlier, and in accordance with the UN "Steps Preparatory to Independence." This is a case of the Egyptian APG trying to declare Independence on the territory as already recognized as Israel.

That doesn't matter. Where the Treaty of Lausanne transferred land from Turkey to Palestine there was no land transferred from Palestine to Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you are confused. The Turkish Government did not transfer any land to anyone; especial in the Treay of Lausanne.

So?The Jewish Agency, that declared Israel's independence, is a foreign organization that is the puppet of the foreign World Zionist Organization. There were no natives involved in the creation of this government. A government draws its legitimacy from the will of the people. The creation of Israel was with the virtually unanimous rejection of the people. The "legitimacy" of Israel is not by the will of the people but at the point of a gun by foreigners.

(COMMENT)

First, the Zionist Organization (ZO) is NOT a foreign Government. It is a global common cause organization that is, where ever it sits in its enclave or Congress sits in meeting.

The relationship between the Jewish Agency of Israel and the ZO was a requirement set and recognized by the Allied Powers. (Article 4 of the Mandate) The Jewish Agency, formerly known as the Palestine Office, existed before the Occupation and Mandate. It functioned under the Ottoman Empire as the conduit to the Sultan, to aid Jewish immigration, and to buy land for Jews to settle. The Jewish Agency was an Indigenous Operation well before the Allied Powers became involved. Not as you say, a foreign puppet.

That doesn't matter. Where the Treaty of Lausanne transferred land from Turkey to Palestine there was no land transferred from Palestine to Israel.

(COMMENT)

The Treaty does not transfer any land or territory, per se. Turkey relinquishes its control over the territories; thus it falls into the hands of the Occupation Powers.

Palestine is not even mentioned in the Treaty; not once. What the treaty says is: (Article 30)

"Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred."​

The Allied Powers determined the transfer. The treaty does not. In the case of Palestine, the decision was already made by the Allied Powers to place the territory in the Mandate System some four years (San Remo Convention) before the Treaty of Lausanne went into force. At San Remo, the foundation of what was to become the "Mandate for Palestine" was laid out. The Treaty of Lausanne changed nothing in regard to the administration.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Rehmani]

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab
You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

What ever in AL-Quran is "word of Allah(God)" Prophet Mohammad PBUH just Passed on to us, as I reply to you in previous two posts, please follow the advise see some muslim near you to correct your misunderstanding or may be you are reading wrong book.

Like all holy books the Koran is the word of man, not god. It was a mentally defective man that recited the Koran in the 7c, a man that had frontal lobe epilepsy that manifests as delusions, hearing voices and seeing visions. No other person saw or heard these visitations, and as the hadiths tell us Mohamed often recited a different version on the verses on two seperate days. The consensus of opinion is that one of his sex slaves a Jewish girl told him of the Torah and its teachings and he used her stories as the basis for the Koran. He added verses extolling violence and murder because that is what most arabs of the time understood. One arab group worshipped 3 goddesses that manifested as cranes so he introduced them as allahs wives in one section of the Koran. He later claimed that this was given to him by the devil, but did not take them out and have them changed. The Koran is full of mistakes from a god that is supposed to be omnipotent like seminal fluid coming from the spine.

I have seen many muslim clerics in my life and not one has been able to explain the satanic verses, the many mistakes and the violence. I had one who stated that Mohamed had never killed a man in his life, then I showed him the Bukhari hadiths that show he killed many in clod blood. Another denied that he was an Incestuous paedophile until he read the Bukhari hadiths that show he married his brothers 9 year old daughter after changing the laws to allow him to do so.

So it is you that needs to get your brain into gear and read the Koran and hadiths properly to see that it is plagiarism and a terrorist manual.

If you don't beleave in any holy book means you will remain arrogant or ignorant .
I also beleave that Mohammad PBUH never killed any thing.
Mohammad PBUH married to his friend's 9 years old daughter.
I will advise you again that please don't writ misunderstood story, find some Muslim scholar near you and take 8 C Al-Quran and these hadiths with you and correct your self.

All the details come from the Koran and hadiths, so are you saying the Koran is lying and that Mohamed lied in the hadiths. As I said I have spoken to Islamic clerics and they did not know what was written in the Koran and hadiths because they had been brainwashed into believing the spoken word only.

No, you did not talk to any Muslim cleric. Second if you have wrong version of Al-Quran and Hadiths and then you called to Muslim scholar that their brain washed then I will say that you only want argument for the sack of arguments to satisfy your self that the negative image you have about Islam, if this the case then no one can satisfy you.
What I learn about you, first you call your self either christian or jewish and then you told me that you don't beleave in any holly book and now sound like you are proving that you are hypocrite if this is the case then I leave to you here that you are paid poster who's job to drive propaganda against Islam and make some money.

 

[Rehmani]

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

What ever in AL-Quran is "word of Allah(God)" Prophet Mohammad PBUH just Passed on to us, as I reply to you in previous two posts, please follow the advise see some muslim near you to correct your misunderstanding or may be you are reading wrong book.

Like all holy books the Koran is the word of man, not god. It was a mentally defective man that recited the Koran in the 7c, a man that had frontal lobe epilepsy that manifests as delusions, hearing voices and seeing visions. No other person saw or heard these visitations, and as the hadiths tell us Mohamed often recited a different version on the verses on two seperate days. The consensus of opinion is that one of his sex slaves a Jewish girl told him of the Torah and its teachings and he used her stories as the basis for the Koran. He added verses extolling violence and murder because that is what most arabs of the time understood. One arab group worshipped 3 goddesses that manifested as cranes so he introduced them as allahs wives in one section of the Koran. He later claimed that this was given to him by the devil, but did not take them out and have them changed. The Koran is full of mistakes from a god that is supposed to be omnipotent like seminal fluid coming from the spine.

I have seen many muslim clerics in my life and not one has been able to explain the satanic verses, the many mistakes and the violence. I had one who stated that Mohamed had never killed a man in his life, then I showed him the Bukhari hadiths that show he killed many in clod blood. Another denied that he was an Incestuous paedophile until he read the Bukhari hadiths that show he married his brothers 9 year old daughter after changing the laws to allow him to do so.

So it is you that needs to get your brain into gear and read the Koran and hadiths properly to see that it is plagiarism and a terrorist manual.

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

What ever in AL-Quran is "word of Allah(God)" Prophet Mohammad PBUH just Passed on to us, as I reply to you in previous two posts, please follow the advise see some muslim near you to correct your misunderstanding or may be you are reading wrong book.

Like all holy books the Koran is the word of man, not god. It was a mentally defective man that recited the Koran in the 7c, a man that had frontal lobe epilepsy that manifests as delusions, hearing voices and seeing visions. No other person saw or heard these visitations, and as the hadiths tell us Mohamed often recited a different version on the verses on two seperate days. The consensus of opinion is that one of his sex slaves a Jewish girl told him of the Torah and its teachings and he used her stories as the basis for the Koran. He added verses extolling violence and murder because that is what most arabs of the time understood. One arab group worshipped 3 goddesses that manifested as cranes so he introduced them as allahs wives in one section of the Koran. He later claimed that this was given to him by the devil, but did not take them out and have them changed. The Koran is full of mistakes from a god that is supposed to be omnipotent like seminal fluid coming from the spine.

I have seen many muslim clerics in my life and not one has been able to explain the satanic verses, the many mistakes and the violence. I had one who stated that Mohamed had never killed a man in his life, then I showed him the Bukhari hadiths that show he killed many in clod blood. Another denied that he was an Incestuous paedophile until he read the Bukhari hadiths that show he married his brothers 9 year old daughter after changing the laws to allow him to do so.

So it is you that needs to get your brain into gear and read the Koran and hadiths properly to see that it is plagiarism and a terrorist manual.

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

What ever in AL-Quran is "word of Allah(God)" Prophet Mohammad PBUH just Passed on to us, as I reply to you in previous two posts, please follow the advise see some muslim near you to correct your misunderstanding or may be you are reading wrong book.

Like all holy books the Koran is the word of man, not god. It was a mentally defective man that recited the Koran in the 7c, a man that had frontal lobe epilepsy that manifests as delusions, hearing voices and seeing visions. No other person saw or heard these visitations, and as the hadiths tell us Mohamed often recited a different version on the verses on two seperate days. The consensus of opinion is that one of his sex slaves a Jewish girl told him of the Torah and its teachings and he used her stories as the basis for the Koran. He added verses extolling violence and murder because that is what most arabs of the time understood. One arab group worshipped 3 goddesses that manifested as cranes so he introduced them as allahs wives in one section of the Koran. He later claimed that this was given to him by the devil, but did not take them out and have them changed. The Koran is full of mistakes from a god that is supposed to be omnipotent like seminal fluid coming from the spine.

I have seen many muslim clerics in my life and not one has been able to explain the satanic verses, the many mistakes and the violence. I had one who stated that Mohamed had never killed a man in his life, then I showed him the Bukhari hadiths that show he killed many in clod blood. Another denied that he was an Incestuous paedophile until he read the Bukhari hadiths that show he married his brothers 9 year old daughter after changing the laws to allow him to do so.

So it is you that needs to get your brain into gear and read the Koran and hadiths properly to see that it is plagiarism and a terrorist manual.

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab

The Koran was altered even as it was being recited by the mentally defective camel herder. His words were written down by scribes and then collated into the Koran. Most of the Koran is stolen from the Bible and Torah by Mohamed, then twisted to suit his agenda.
The Bible was written by many people over a long period of time based on the teachings of Christ and his disciples. Jesus did not write any of the Bible as he was dead long before it was written. The Torah again was written by many people over the years and was not written by Moses, much of it predates Moses by many centuries.
The Koran states that Jews and Christians were originally declared as "people of the book" only to later be called apes and pigs and to be seen as enemies of islam. This is why it commands the muslims to kill them when they find them. Because the person reciting the Koran was simplistic his rendition was also simplistic and based on single verses.

I saw a muslim scholar walk of if anger and hate when it was shown that the Koran taught terrorism, and he blamed the Jews for not letting him know.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

What ever in AL-Quran is "word of Allah(God)" Prophet Mohammad PBUH just Passed on to us, as I reply to you in previous two posts, please follow the advise see some muslim near you to correct your misunderstanding or may be you are reading wrong book.

Like all holy books the Koran is the word of man, not god. It was a mentally defective man that recited the Koran in the 7c, a man that had frontal lobe epilepsy that manifests as delusions, hearing voices and seeing visions. No other person saw or heard these visitations, and as the hadiths tell us Mohamed often recited a different version on the verses on two seperate days. The consensus of opinion is that one of his sex slaves a Jewish girl told him of the Torah and its teachings and he used her stories as the basis for the Koran. He added verses extolling violence and murder because that is what most arabs of the time understood. One arab group worshipped 3 goddesses that manifested as cranes so he introduced them as allahs wives in one section of the Koran. He later claimed that this was given to him by the devil, but did not take them out and have them changed. The Koran is full of mistakes from a god that is supposed to be omnipotent like seminal fluid coming from the spine.

I have seen many muslim clerics in my life and not one has been able to explain the satanic verses, the many mistakes and the violence. I had one who stated that Mohamed had never killed a man in his life, then I showed him the Bukhari hadiths that show he killed many in clod blood. Another denied that he was an Incestuous paedophile until he read the Bukhari hadiths that show he married his brothers 9 year old daughter after changing the laws to allow him to do so.

So it is you that needs to get your brain into gear and read the Koran and hadiths properly to see that it is plagiarism and a terrorist manual.

Jihad for God. And oh all those beautiful photos of beheadings.

Yes I agreed, this is not Islam and I condemned it. But unfortunately when two people fight, one innocent killed or at least one of them is innocent. I hope and wish some day mankind live as one mankind and one nation.

I will advise to whole world especially to Muslim at the moment that please when you become part of an army then you should know that what are the rules set by Islam for a Muslim army that don't hurt civilian and especially these generalist who put their life on risk to bring the facts about you. Other vise how come world know your issues or concern.

 

[Beelzebub]

"Who Is Occupying Who's Land?"

One way to look at this would be to ask the question: "If Palestinians reclaimed ALL of Palestine, with Israelis either leaving for the US and Europe or blending into Palestinian society, would the world think that Palestinians had reclaimed their land, or were occupying Israel?"

It's clear that the world, even most of the USA would think, "Well, that's THAT colonialist project busted."

So its pretty clear.

 

[Phoenall]

Even is the accusation was true, as you stated, all the Palestinian People did was form a government that is cooperating in full or in part, with a known and designated foreign terrorist organization

Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party in Palestine. The Palestinians do not buy into that third grade terrorist name calling.

By the way, you have never specified why those clowns designated Hamas to be terrorists.

Because of their TERRORISM, both at home and abroad. Firing rockets at civilians to force them to change the laws and capitulate is terrorism. Digging tunnels under schools and filling them with H.E. is terrorism. Eating parts of a captured soldier is terrorism. All are done by hamas.

 

[Phoenall]

The Europeans of the Jewish faith that went to Israel starting in the late 1800s have nothing to do with the ancient Jews that stole the land from the Samartins, Canaens etc.

Did you purposely miss the point? Or the history of the area?

Palestine didn't exist until relatively recent population growth forced (mostly Jordanians) to migrate. But that is long after the fact. Meanwhile the real children and inhabitants of the region have been obscured by anti-Semite academia. Prove me wrong!

And who are the Samartins? You mean the Samaritans?

I hope you have an open mind about such things, as much can be poured in.

1. "Judaism in Jerusalem pre-dated Christianity in Bethlehem by about a 1000 years, both of which pre-dated Islam in the region by a long shot."

So what? People change religions all the time. If a group of people in Kenya convert to mos maiorum it does not give them the right to settle in Rome and declare themselves a state.

2. The "real children and inhabitants of the region" are the people (descendants) that have lived in the region for the last 4,000-5,000 years. Converting to the most convenient religion does not change the people.

3. "Palestine didn't exist until relatively recent population growth forced (mostly Jordanians) to migrate."

As usual, Zionist horseshit.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Once again an ANTI SEMITIC JEW HATRED piece of garbage that you have been told about is being used.]]

The facts as written by a non partisan source

Year	Jews	Christians	Muslims	Total
First half 1st century CE	Majority	–	–	~2,500
5th century	Minority	Majority	–	>1st century
End 12th century	Minority	Minority	Majority	>225
14th century before Black Death	Minority	Minority	Majority	225
14th century after Black Death	Minority	Minority	Majority	150
1533–1539	5	6	145	157
1690–1691	2	11	219	232
1800	7	22	246	275
1890	43	57	432	532
1914	94	70	525	689
1922	84	71	589	752
1931	175	89	760	1,033
1947	630	143	1,181	1,970
Figures in thousands. Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Hasbara is continuously changing that table to suit their propaganda needs. I think most will agreed that official government documents are more reliable.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants. ...

"So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." Winnie Churchill.

The Mandatory Interim Report, quoted above, was written in 1921, Churchill made the politically motivated statement (which was a lie) in 1939 to counter the Government's insistence that Jewish immigration to Palestine should be moderated to mitigate the local population's demonstrations against the takeover of their land. A political statement is far less reliable than official Government reports. If you would do more research you probably would not just spout nonsense without understanding the context. Churchill was responding to this:

"'His Majesty's Government do not [..] find anything in the Mandate or in subsequent Statements of Policy to support the view that the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine cannot be effected unless immigration is allowed to continue indefinitely. If immigration has an adverse effect on the economic position in the country, it should clearly be restricted; and equally, if it has a seriously damaging effect on the political position in the country, that is a factor that should not be ignored. Although it is not difficult to contend that the large number of Jewish immigrants who have been admitted so far have been absorbed economically, the fear of the Arabs that this influx will continue indefinitely until the Jewish population is in a position to dominate them has produced consequences which are extremely grave for Jews and Arabs alike and for the peace and prosperity of Palestine."

White Paper of 1939

The Avalon Project British White Paper of 1939

Did you read your link that destroyed so many of your claims about Israel and the Jews, things like this


"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that `Palestine is to become as Jewish as England is English.' His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated .... the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the (Balfour) Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded IN PALESTINE."

This community, then, with its town and country population, its political, religious and social organisations, its own language, its own customs, its own life, has in fact `national' characteristics. When it is asked what is meant by the development of the Jewish National Home in Palestine, it may be answered that it is not the imposition of a Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole, but the further development of the existing Jewish community, with the assistance of Jews in other parts of the world, in order that it may become a centre in which the Jewish people as a whole may take, on grounds of religion and race, an interest and pride. But in order that this community should have the best prospect of free development and provide a full opportunity for the Jewish people to display its capacities, it is essential that it should know that it is in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance. That is the reason why it is necessary that the existence of a Jewish National Home in Palestine should be internationally guaranteed, and that it should be formally recognised to rest upon ancient historic connection

Under Article 6 of the Mandate, the Administration of Palestine, "while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced," is required to "facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions." Beyond this, the extent to which Jewish immigration into Palestine is to be permitted is nowhere defined in the Mandate. But in the Command Paper of 1922 it was laid down that for the fulfilment of the policy of establishing a Jewish National Home:
"it is necessary that the Jewish commun ity in Palestine should be able to increase its numbers by immigration. This immigration cannot be so great in volume as to exceed whatever may be the economic capacity of the country at the time to absorb new arrivals. It is essential to ensure that the immigrants should not be a burden upon the people of Palestine as a whole, and that they should not deprive any section of the present population of their employment."

The Administration of Palestine is required, under Article 6 of the Mandate, "while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced," to encourage "close settlement by Jews on the land," and no restriction has been imposed hitherto on the transfer of land from Arabs to Jews. The Reports of several expert Commissions have indictaed that, owing to the natural growth of the Arab population and the steady sale in recent years of Arab land to Jews, there is now in certain areas no room for further transfers of Arab land, whilst in some other areas such transfers of land must be restricted if Arab cultivators are to maintain their existing standard of life and a considerable landless Arab population is not soon to be created. In these circumstances, the High Commissioner will be given general powers to prohibit and regulate transfers of land. These powers will date from the publication of this statement of policy and the High Commissioner will retain them throughout the transitional period.

Thanks for making my point Phoney. It shows that the British were lying and in fact a Jewish state separate from Palestine was in fact, founded. Something they said would never happen.

These are official government figures

They show that you are completely clueless as to who had the right to live in Palestine, and who were the illegal immigrants stealing land.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, we have to disagree here.

The US government does not give a rat's ass about law international or domestic. The best example is the Palestinian unity government of 2007. The unity government was legally elected and constituted according to constitutional mandates.

(COMMENT)

Even so --- the People supported HAMAS. HAMAS is a designated terrorist organization (by multiple countries); and a self-proclaimed Jihadist group. Remember:

The US pledges "to cooperate fully in the fight against terrorism, in accordance with our obligations under international law, in order to find, deny safe haven and bring to justice, on the basis of the principle of extradite or prosecute, any person who supports, facilitates, participates or attempts to participate in the financing, planning, preparation or perpetration of terrorist acts or provides safe havens."​

Even is the accusation was true, as you stated, all the Palestinian People did was form a government that is cooperating in full or in part, with a known and designated foreign terrorist organization which openly organizes, instigates, facilitates, participates in, finances, encourages and tolerates terrorist activities intended to be committed against other States (Israel) and its citizens. HAMAS, through its subordinate activities and affiliated organizations, by designed had demonstrated it will provoke and encourage a threat to the peace, openly committed breach of the peace, and acts of aggression; through propaganda and direct action.

The US did not like this government so they fomented a coup. They coerced Abbas into this coup and supplied him with money, weapons, training and political support i.e. lies.

(COMMENT)

So your contention (even if the allegation is true) is that it is illegal to fight terrorism (HAMAS as a multinational designated terrorist organization); it is illegal to carry-out the strategy, in the form of a resolution and an Annexed Plan of Action (A/RES/60/288), the unique global instrument that will enhance national, regional and international efforts to counter terrorism?

The coup failed in Gaza but was successful in illegally putting the losers of the elections back into power in the West Bank.

Fomenting a coup in another country is a violation of international law.

Supporting a government brought into power by coup is a violation of domestic law.

(COMMENT)

Is it really? Or is this part of the pro-HAMAS campaign strategy to alter the discussion by suggesting that HAMAS is not a criminal terrorist enterprise; but, some sort of legitimate government that pursues peace in accordance with the codification of the principles of international law concerning friendly relations and co-operation among States (A/RES/25/2625)? We see no evidence that HAMAS is pursuing peace. What we see is the continuous instigation of conflict with the periodic restated mantra that "Jihad and the armed resistance is the right and real method for the liberation of Palestine, and the restoration of all the rights, together with, of course, all forms of political and diplomatic struggle including in the media, public and legal."

It is not a coup d'état that you describe; but rather a discreet means of combating a regional threat to peace.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians, whoever they elect, have the same right to pursue liberation from occupation that the ANC had, the FLN (Algeria), that the Muhajedin had and that all national liberation movements have and have had. Why should the Palestinians be treated differently?

Yes through the courts and UN not by using terrorism. Unless you also want to extend that to the Israelis as well and allow them to retaliate with terrorism

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Pay attention.

Even is the accusation was true, as you stated, all the Palestinian People did was form a government that is cooperating in full or in part, with a known and designated foreign terrorist organization

Hamas is a constitutionally protected political party in Palestine. The Palestinians do not buy into that third grade terrorist name calling.

By the way, you have never specified why those clowns designated Hamas to be terrorists.

(COMMENT)

HAMAS and it associates PIJ (et al) are a terrorist organization be cause it has a past history of criminal behaviors that include:

• seriously intimidating a population, or
• unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or
• seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation,

• HAMAS history includes terrorist offences:
  • (a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;
  • (b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;
  • (c) kidnapping or hostage taking;
  • (d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility;
  • (e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;
  • (f) manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives;
  • (g) ...; indiscriminate rocket and mortar attacks;
  • (h) ...;
  • (i) threatening to commit any of the acts listed in (a) to (h).

Again, your position is solely based on trying to establish a justification for the continuation of violence, rather than focusing on peace initiatives.

This is very much a HAMAS type of approach.

Most Respectfully,
R

The Palestinians have been seeking peace based on international law and UN resolutions for decades. Israel and it toadies have rejected all requests and opted for violence.

1. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.

2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.

4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.

5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.

6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.

The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration

AND ! ! ! ! Now show were anyone is taking away the Palestinians right to free determination

Hamas refuse all calls for peace it is part of their constitution.

 

[Phoenall]

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab
You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

What ever in AL-Quran is "word of Allah(God)" Prophet Mohammad PBUH just Passed on to us, as I reply to you in previous two posts, please follow the advise see some muslim near you to correct your misunderstanding or may be you are reading wrong book.

Like all holy books the Koran is the word of man, not god. It was a mentally defective man that recited the Koran in the 7c, a man that had frontal lobe epilepsy that manifests as delusions, hearing voices and seeing visions. No other person saw or heard these visitations, and as the hadiths tell us Mohamed often recited a different version on the verses on two seperate days. The consensus of opinion is that one of his sex slaves a Jewish girl told him of the Torah and its teachings and he used her stories as the basis for the Koran. He added verses extolling violence and murder because that is what most arabs of the time understood. One arab group worshipped 3 goddesses that manifested as cranes so he introduced them as allahs wives in one section of the Koran. He later claimed that this was given to him by the devil, but did not take them out and have them changed. The Koran is full of mistakes from a god that is supposed to be omnipotent like seminal fluid coming from the spine.

I have seen many muslim clerics in my life and not one has been able to explain the satanic verses, the many mistakes and the violence. I had one who stated that Mohamed had never killed a man in his life, then I showed him the Bukhari hadiths that show he killed many in clod blood. Another denied that he was an Incestuous paedophile until he read the Bukhari hadiths that show he married his brothers 9 year old daughter after changing the laws to allow him to do so.

So it is you that needs to get your brain into gear and read the Koran and hadiths properly to see that it is plagiarism and a terrorist manual.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab
You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

What ever in AL-Quran is "word of Allah(God)" Prophet Mohammad PBUH just Passed on to us, as I reply to you in previous two posts, please follow the advise see some muslim near you to correct your misunderstanding or may be you are reading wrong book.

Like all holy books the Koran is the word of man, not god. It was a mentally defective man that recited the Koran in the 7c, a man that had frontal lobe epilepsy that manifests as delusions, hearing voices and seeing visions. No other person saw or heard these visitations, and as the hadiths tell us Mohamed often recited a different version on the verses on two seperate days. The consensus of opinion is that one of his sex slaves a Jewish girl told him of the Torah and its teachings and he used her stories as the basis for the Koran. He added verses extolling violence and murder because that is what most arabs of the time understood. One arab group worshipped 3 goddesses that manifested as cranes so he introduced them as allahs wives in one section of the Koran. He later claimed that this was given to him by the devil, but did not take them out and have them changed. The Koran is full of mistakes from a god that is supposed to be omnipotent like seminal fluid coming from the spine.

I have seen many muslim clerics in my life and not one has been able to explain the satanic verses, the many mistakes and the violence. I had one who stated that Mohamed had never killed a man in his life, then I showed him the Bukhari hadiths that show he killed many in clod blood. Another denied that he was an Incestuous paedophile until he read the Bukhari hadiths that show he married his brothers 9 year old daughter after changing the laws to allow him to do so.

So it is you that needs to get your brain into gear and read the Koran and hadiths properly to see that it is plagiarism and a terrorist manual.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab
You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

What ever in AL-Quran is "word of Allah(God)" Prophet Mohammad PBUH just Passed on to us, as I reply to you in previous two posts, please follow the advise see some muslim near you to correct your misunderstanding or may be you are reading wrong book.

Like all holy books the Koran is the word of man, not god. It was a mentally defective man that recited the Koran in the 7c, a man that had frontal lobe epilepsy that manifests as delusions, hearing voices and seeing visions. No other person saw or heard these visitations, and as the hadiths tell us Mohamed often recited a different version on the verses on two seperate days. The consensus of opinion is that one of his sex slaves a Jewish girl told him of the Torah and its teachings and he used her stories as the basis for the Koran. He added verses extolling violence and murder because that is what most arabs of the time understood. One arab group worshipped 3 goddesses that manifested as cranes so he introduced them as allahs wives in one section of the Koran. He later claimed that this was given to him by the devil, but did not take them out and have them changed. The Koran is full of mistakes from a god that is supposed to be omnipotent like seminal fluid coming from the spine.

I have seen many muslim clerics in my life and not one has been able to explain the satanic verses, the many mistakes and the violence. I had one who stated that Mohamed had never killed a man in his life, then I showed him the Bukhari hadiths that show he killed many in clod blood. Another denied that he was an Incestuous paedophile until he read the Bukhari hadiths that show he married his brothers 9 year old daughter after changing the laws to allow him to do so.

So it is you that needs to get your brain into gear and read the Koran and hadiths properly to see that it is plagiarism and a terrorist manual.

You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and the He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab
You are wrong, because Mohammad PBUH was illiterate and He PBUH recite Al-Quran, no one else can recite at the time in Arab like him PBUH. Means he PBUH can not steal from other holly books but His PBUH message is as same as his PBUH predecessor in the line of prophets.But Prophet Mohammad PBUH was the AUTHOR of book of Allah(God) Al-Quran.
First there are no such a message killed Jews or Christian if there is then it is also apply on Muslim too, especially those who proved hypocrites not beleaver of the Holy Books.
As you know always hypocrites cause trouble to Prophets Like hypocrites jews cause trouble to Moses PBUH and Jesus PBUH.
Please don't be ignorant.

Try this for size then

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

What ever in AL-Quran is "word of Allah(God)" Prophet Mohammad PBUH just Passed on to us, as I reply to you in previous two posts, please follow the advise see some muslim near you to correct your misunderstanding or may be you are reading wrong book.

Like all holy books the Koran is the word of man, not god. It was a mentally defective man that recited the Koran in the 7c, a man that had frontal lobe epilepsy that manifests as delusions, hearing voices and seeing visions. No other person saw or heard these visitations, and as the hadiths tell us Mohamed often recited a different version on the verses on two seperate days. The consensus of opinion is that one of his sex slaves a Jewish girl told him of the Torah and its teachings and he used her stories as the basis for the Koran. He added verses extolling violence and murder because that is what most arabs of the time understood. One arab group worshipped 3 goddesses that manifested as cranes so he introduced them as allahs wives in one section of the Koran. He later claimed that this was given to him by the devil, but did not take them out and have them changed. The Koran is full of mistakes from a god that is supposed to be omnipotent like seminal fluid coming from the spine.

I have seen many muslim clerics in my life and not one has been able to explain the satanic verses, the many mistakes and the violence. I had one who stated that Mohamed had never killed a man in his life, then I showed him the Bukhari hadiths that show he killed many in clod blood. Another denied that he was an Incestuous paedophile until he read the Bukhari hadiths that show he married his brothers 9 year old daughter after changing the laws to allow him to do so.

So it is you that needs to get your brain into gear and read the Koran and hadiths properly to see that it is plagiarism and a terrorist manual.

Jihad for God. And oh all those beautiful photos of beheadings.

Yes I agreed, this is not Islam and I condemned it. But unfortunately when two people fight, one innocent killed or at least one of them is innocent. I hope and wish some day mankind live as one mankind and one nation.

I will advise to whole world especially to Muslim at the moment that please when you become part of an army then you should know that what are the rules set by Islam for a Muslim army that don't hurt civilian and especially these generalist who put their life on risk to bring the facts about you. Other vise how come world know your issues or concern.

It is islam as the Koran tells muslims to sever the heads of their enemies to strike fear in their hearts. Over 200 verses in the Koran compelling muslims to be violent blood thirsty savages. Over 10 million innocent civilians murdered by muslim armies acting on the commands in the Koran in the last 66 years. that is the rules set by islam for anyone who wants to read the Koran.

 

[Phoenall]

"Who Is Occupying Who's Land?"

One way to look at this would be to ask the question: "If Palestinians reclaimed ALL of Palestine, with Israelis either leaving for the US and Europe or blending into Palestinian society, would the world think that Palestinians had reclaimed their land, or were occupying Israel?"

It's clear that the world, even most of the USA would think, "Well, that's THAT colonialist project busted."

So its pretty clear.

Actually under customary international law the UN would be forced to proclaim that the arab muslims had committed a grave crime and a task force would be sent to take back the land for the Jews. You see Israel is the only nation granted status in International law and it is inviolate. And Palestine as a nation does not exist until it agrees to peace and mutual borders.

 

[Youch]

The Europeans of the Jewish faith that went to Israel starting in the late 1800s have nothing to do with the ancient Jews that stole the land from the Samartins, Canaens etc.

Did you purposely miss the point? Or the history of the area?

Palestine didn't exist until relatively recent population growth forced (mostly Jordanians) to migrate. But that is long after the fact. Meanwhile the real children and inhabitants of the region have been obscured by anti-Semite academia. Prove me wrong!

And who are the Samartins? You mean the Samaritans?

I hope you have an open mind about such things, as much can be poured in.

1. "Judaism in Jerusalem pre-dated Christianity in Bethlehem by about a 1000 years, both of which pre-dated Islam in the region by a long shot."

So what? People change religions all the time. If a group of people in Kenya convert to mos maiorum it does not give them the right to settle in Rome and declare themselves a state.

2. The "real children and inhabitants of the region" are the people (descendants) that have lived in the region for the last 4,000-5,000 years. Converting to the most convenient religion does not change the people.

3. "Palestine didn't exist until relatively recent population growth forced (mostly Jordanians) to migrate."

As usual, Zionist horseshit.

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Methinks your closed mind makes a habit of missing the point, history, facts and geography. And, your citations are highly skewed. As I stated before, open your mind. If Jerusalem is the birthplace of Judaism, long before Islam migrated to it, your position is illogical. You talk about "people changing religions all the time" makes no sense whatsoever. I think you should change your avatar.

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

These are some big tears.

The Palestinians are doing what, since the late 15th century, people have always done when their homes and land are taken from them by settlers/invaders. The Native Americans resisted and fought for many decades until they were ethnically cleansed and moved into gulags called reservations where alcoholism and other ills have made most of them a passive population that accepts an existence financed by handouts from the descendants of the settlers/invaders. The indigenous people of Australia put up little or no resistance and have suffered the same fate as the Native Americans making it clear that the settler/invader will seek to achieve total domination regardless of the approach taken by the indigenous people.

(COMMENT)

The world has come a long way since the political, colonial, expansionist, and revolutionary thinking of the 16th and 17th century. History is what it is. And in cases of technically superior over the inferior cultures, the shadow of that thinking still exists. But that is not justification for a 21st culture attempting to apply failed strategies of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. I'm sure you would prefer some other fate than that of the American Indian or the Aborigines of Australia.

Indigenous people that have successfully prevented complete domination have almost always utilized violent resistance to achieve national liberation unless overwhelming positive demographic factors have allowed them to regain control of their land through democratic means such as the cases of Ecuador and Bolivia. Often, however, negative demographics (from the indigenous people's point of view) through genocide or assimilation have resulted in the disappearance of the indigenous culture and people as in Chile, Argentina, Brazil etc.

(COMMENT)

That has nothing to do with the "Question of Palestine." The Arab Palestinian are not in danger of genocide. In fact their numbers are increasing, not decreasing. The tear jerking attempt to associate the plight of the Arab Palestinian with the fate of faded cultures of three and four centuries ago is merely a bit for sympathy. In stead of the Arab Palestinian having the fortitude to pick themselves up, shake themselves off --- dust-off the dirt and start building a new nation (something that they and their children can be proud of, --- they instead adopted the way of Jihad.

Ireland is an interesting case. Through continued resistance and violence, the indigenous people were able to regain most of their land and independence, notwithstanding strong opposition of what was, at the time, a leading world power. Without the violence and resistance (which the UK deemed terrorism) which made life uncomfortable for the settlers/invaders, there would have probably have been continued settlement by the English and Scots and it is doubtful there would be a Republic of Ireland today. Of course everyone knows about the South African and Rhodesian models. In both cases, a combination of violent resistance and international sanctions resulted in success for the indigenous people in regaining their land.

(COMMENT)

This is merely an attempt to justify a continuing level of Jihad. This has nothing to do with the Occupied Territories. The differences between the 6 Northern Counties of Ireland and the south are largely religious in nature. The case of South Africa was a case of racial segregation. Rhodesia was a compilation of issues. Needless to say, the Rhodesian model culminated into a naturally evolving two-state solution.

But again, this is merely another Arab Palestinian justification for a continued "violent resistance." In fact, nothing you've said thus far, even remotely sounds like and Arab Palestinian attempting to achieve a solution through peaceful means. It is all about why the Arab Palestinian should use violence; throwing a tantrum because the world isn't fair. It is again an extension of their past practice of choosing violence over peaceful means. And it is why --- that ultimately --- the Arab Palestinians will be a failed state. They haven't the knowledge, skills and abilities (let alone the cultural drive) to start a nation building process. (Put down the weapons, stop crying, and pick-up the shovel; start building.

“The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.” ― Lao Tzu​

To single out the Palestinians for resisting the transfer of their land and homes to European settlers is not only unfair, it is a clear cut case of racism. Why should the Palestinians be asked to timidly accept their ethnic cleansing without resistance? Is there a difference between the Spaniards and Portuguese, authorized by the Pope to settle and invade the New World any different from the UN authorizing the European Jews to settle and invade Palestine?

(COMMENT)

Again with the whining over a decision that was made a half-century ago and fought over. Get over it. Right, wrong or otherwise, it was a decision made.

• Excerpt:

Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,
Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfils the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders; [A/67/L.28 --- 26 November 2012]
​

Now it is time for the Arab Palestinian to build a "viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel" so that you can achieve something negotiated that will start on the basis of the pre-1967 borders. Establish some credibility and come together on a workable solution that is a benefit to both parties.

Most Respectfully,
R

Balderdash, attempting to justify Israeli neocolonialism as somehow different than, for example, than the Huguenots settling in South Africa to escape Catholic pogroms against them. There is no difference Bozo, your comments just demonstrate your racial hate for arabs. Funny thing is you are probably a good bit Arab given your southern Italian heritage. Self-hating Arab?

 

[MJB12741]

montelatici, et al,

These are some big tears.

The Palestinians are doing what, since the late 15th century, people have always done when their homes and land are taken from them by settlers/invaders. The Native Americans resisted and fought for many decades until they were ethnically cleansed and moved into gulags called reservations where alcoholism and other ills have made most of them a passive population that accepts an existence financed by handouts from the descendants of the settlers/invaders. The indigenous people of Australia put up little or no resistance and have suffered the same fate as the Native Americans making it clear that the settler/invader will seek to achieve total domination regardless of the approach taken by the indigenous people.

(COMMENT)

The world has come a long way since the political, colonial, expansionist, and revolutionary thinking of the 16th and 17th century. History is what it is. And in cases of technically superior over the inferior cultures, the shadow of that thinking still exists. But that is not justification for a 21st culture attempting to apply failed strategies of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. I'm sure you would prefer some other fate than that of the American Indian or the Aborigines of Australia.

Indigenous people that have successfully prevented complete domination have almost always utilized violent resistance to achieve national liberation unless overwhelming positive demographic factors have allowed them to regain control of their land through democratic means such as the cases of Ecuador and Bolivia. Often, however, negative demographics (from the indigenous people's point of view) through genocide or assimilation have resulted in the disappearance of the indigenous culture and people as in Chile, Argentina, Brazil etc.

(COMMENT)

That has nothing to do with the "Question of Palestine." The Arab Palestinian are not in danger of genocide. In fact their numbers are increasing, not decreasing. The tear jerking attempt to associate the plight of the Arab Palestinian with the fate of faded cultures of three and four centuries ago is merely a bit for sympathy. In stead of the Arab Palestinian having the fortitude to pick themselves up, shake themselves off --- dust-off the dirt and start building a new nation (something that they and their children can be proud of, --- they instead adopted the way of Jihad.

Ireland is an interesting case. Through continued resistance and violence, the indigenous people were able to regain most of their land and independence, notwithstanding strong opposition of what was, at the time, a leading world power. Without the violence and resistance (which the UK deemed terrorism) which made life uncomfortable for the settlers/invaders, there would have probably have been continued settlement by the English and Scots and it is doubtful there would be a Republic of Ireland today. Of course everyone knows about the South African and Rhodesian models. In both cases, a combination of violent resistance and international sanctions resulted in success for the indigenous people in regaining their land.

(COMMENT)

This is merely an attempt to justify a continuing level of Jihad. This has nothing to do with the Occupied Territories. The differences between the 6 Northern Counties of Ireland and the south are largely religious in nature. The case of South Africa was a case of racial segregation. Rhodesia was a compilation of issues. Needless to say, the Rhodesian model culminated into a naturally evolving two-state solution.

But again, this is merely another Arab Palestinian justification for a continued "violent resistance." In fact, nothing you've said thus far, even remotely sounds like and Arab Palestinian attempting to achieve a solution through peaceful means. It is all about why the Arab Palestinian should use violence; throwing a tantrum because the world isn't fair. It is again an extension of their past practice of choosing violence over peaceful means. And it is why --- that ultimately --- the Arab Palestinians will be a failed state. They haven't the knowledge, skills and abilities (let alone the cultural drive) to start a nation building process. (Put down the weapons, stop crying, and pick-up the shovel; start building.

“The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.” ― Lao Tzu​

To single out the Palestinians for resisting the transfer of their land and homes to European settlers is not only unfair, it is a clear cut case of racism. Why should the Palestinians be asked to timidly accept their ethnic cleansing without resistance? Is there a difference between the Spaniards and Portuguese, authorized by the Pope to settle and invade the New World any different from the UN authorizing the European Jews to settle and invade Palestine?

(COMMENT)

Again with the whining over a decision that was made a half-century ago and fought over. Get over it. Right, wrong or otherwise, it was a decision made.

• Excerpt:

Recalling its resolution 181 (II) of 29 November 1947,
Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfils the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders; [A/67/L.28 --- 26 November 2012]
​

Now it is time for the Arab Palestinian to build a "viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel" so that you can achieve something negotiated that will start on the basis of the pre-1967 borders. Establish some credibility and come together on a workable solution that is a benefit to both parties.

Most Respectfully,
R

Balderdash, attempting to justify Israeli neocolonialism as somehow different than, for example, than the Huguenots settling in South Africa to escape Catholic pogroms against them. There is no difference Bozo, your comments just demonstrate your racial hate for arabs. Funny thing is you are probably a good bit Arab given your southern Italian heritage. Self-hating Arab?

The overwhelming majority of Palestinians are just squatters on Israel's land for generations with no titles or deeds whatsoever to the land they stole.