Why are Repubs reluctant to agree to following democratic norms?

[berg80]

Norms like obeying the law and not ignoring court orders.

Congress Turns To Stopgap As GOP Tries To Spin Dems’ Separation Of Powers Request As ‘Unreasonable’​

In order to avoid a shutdown, Congress would have to pass legislation — either a bipartisan spending bill (though the likelihood of that happening and happening in time to avert a shutdown is slim to none) or a continuing resolution, a stopgap bill to fund the government through the end of the fiscal year — soon.

In recent days, Democrats in Congress began laying down their red line: in order to get their support on either plan, they’d need some sort of guarantee that Trump and Musk will stop withholding congressionally approved funding and spend federal funds the way they were appropriated.

“Let’s be clear, the Democrat demand is really simple,” Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) told TPM, with a mocking emphasis on the word “demand” on Thursday. “It’s that the President commits to following the law. That’s it. It’s not a big deal.”

“The guardrails that we are asking for are really minimal. It’s just: spend the money as we all appropriated,” Coons, a member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, added during an elevator ride up to the Senate floor.

Congress Turns To Stopgap As GOP Tries To Spin Dems’ Separation Of Powers Request As ‘Unreasonable’

With the March 14 deadline to fund the government looming, Republican leadership...

talkingpointsmemo.com

Democratic senators press Trump nominees on whether officials can ever ignore judges' orders​

Several of President Donald Trump’s nominees for senior Justice Department positions faced questions from Senate Democrats on Wednesday about whether it would ever be lawful for a president to defy a court order, with the nominees largely suggesting they couldn't fully answer without more specifics.

Later in the hearing, the Senate Democrats got a measure of support from Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., who issued a warning to the nominees against subverting the decisions of federal courts.

“Don’t ever, ever take the position that you’re not going to follow the order of a federal court. Ever. Now, you can disagree with it. Within the bounds of legal ethics you can criticize it. You can appeal it, or you can resign,” Kennedy said, before implicitly criticizing the Biden administration. “For four years, I have watched people in this town — not all, not, not everybody — but many try to undermine the legitimacy of the federal judiciary and it triggered each and every time my gag reflex."

“Now all our judiciary has … is its legitimacy. It doesn’t have an army,” Kennedy added.

Democratic senators press Trump nominees on whether officials can ever ignore judges' orders

The issue has come to the fore early in the Trump administration amid Republican criticism of the number and breadth of judicial orders pausing Trump policies.

www.nbcnews.com

The obvious answer is trump has already broken the law and disregarded a court order. The kinds of things that are antecedents to a breakdown of democratic norms and therefore democracy itself.

Making a commitment to the constitutional order doesn't seem like a big ask. It seems like a no-brainer. But these days Repubs want to leave some wiggle room. You know, cuz there are laws the trump admin doesn't want to abide by, and hasn't. And if you are going to be trump's Solicitor General, like John Sauer, you need to be okay with that.

 

[Harry Dresden]

geezus berg.....trump thread no 839 since 11-4-24....

 

[berg80]

geezus berg.....trump thread no 839 since 11-4-24....

You guys are running out of ways to say, "I can't respond to your post in a meaningful way without looking like an asshole."

 

[Meathead]

You guys are running out of ways to say, "I can't respond to your post in a meaningful way without looking like an asshole."

Which is weird since you can't post without looking like an asshole.

 

[Harry Dresden]

You guys are running out of ways to say, "I can't respond to your post in a meaningful way without looking like an asshole."

after a while all your threads start becoming the same shit over and over...maybe try other subjects....it might break up the monotony....

 

[berg80]

Which is weird since you can't post without looking like an asshole.

“Don’t ever, ever take the position that you’re not going to follow the order of a federal court. Ever. Now, you can disagree with it. Within the bounds of legal ethics you can criticize it. You can appeal it, or you can resign,” Kennedy said, before implicitly criticizing the Biden administration. “For four years, I have watched people in this town — not all, not, not everybody — but many try to undermine the legitimacy of the federal judiciary and it triggered each and every time my gag reflex."

“Now all our judiciary has … is its legitimacy. It doesn’t have an army,” Kennedy added.

Agree or disagree? Or too stupid to have thoughts about it?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Norms like obeying the law and not ignoring court orders.

Congress Turns To Stopgap As GOP Tries To Spin Dems’ Separation Of Powers Request As ‘Unreasonable’​

In order to avoid a shutdown, Congress would have to pass legislation — either a bipartisan spending bill (though the likelihood of that happening and happening in time to avert a shutdown is slim to none) or a continuing resolution, a stopgap bill to fund the government through the end of the fiscal year — soon.

In recent days, Democrats in Congress began laying down their red line: in order to get their support on either plan, they’d need some sort of guarantee that Trump and Musk will stop withholding congressionally approved funding and spend federal funds the way they were appropriated.

“Let’s be clear, the Democrat demand is really simple,” Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) told TPM, with a mocking emphasis on the word “demand” on Thursday. “It’s that the President commits to following the law. That’s it. It’s not a big deal.”

“The guardrails that we are asking for are really minimal. It’s just: spend the money as we all appropriated,” Coons, a member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, added during an elevator ride up to the Senate floor.

Congress Turns To Stopgap As GOP Tries To Spin Dems’ Separation Of Powers Request As ‘Unreasonable’

With the March 14 deadline to fund the government looming, Republican leadership...

talkingpointsmemo.com

Democratic senators press Trump nominees on whether officials can ever ignore judges' orders​

Several of President Donald Trump’s nominees for senior Justice Department positions faced questions from Senate Democrats on Wednesday about whether it would ever be lawful for a president to defy a court order, with the nominees largely suggesting they couldn't fully answer without more specifics.

Later in the hearing, the Senate Democrats got a measure of support from Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., who issued a warning to the nominees against subverting the decisions of federal courts.

“Don’t ever, ever take the position that you’re not going to follow the order of a federal court. Ever. Now, you can disagree with it. Within the bounds of legal ethics you can criticize it. You can appeal it, or you can resign,” Kennedy said, before implicitly criticizing the Biden administration. “For four years, I have watched people in this town — not all, not, not everybody — but many try to undermine the legitimacy of the federal judiciary and it triggered each and every time my gag reflex."

“Now all our judiciary has … is its legitimacy. It doesn’t have an army,” Kennedy added.

Democratic senators press Trump nominees on whether officials can ever ignore judges' orders

The issue has come to the fore early in the Trump administration amid Republican criticism of the number and breadth of judicial orders pausing Trump policies.

www.nbcnews.com

The obvious answer is trump has already broken the law and disregarded a court order. The kinds of things that are antecedents to a breakdown of democratic norms and therefore democracy itself.

Making a commitment to the constitutional order doesn't seem like a big ask. It seems like a no-brainer. But these days Repubs want to leave some wiggle room. You know, cuz there are laws the trump admin doesn't want to abide by, and hasn't. And if you are going to be trump's Solicitor General, like John Sauer, you need to be okay with thcan't?

You're right, an official shouldn't ignore the courts, but that doesn't stop them from finding 1000 ways to complete the actions in ways the court didn't say they COULDNT do.....

 

[Hollie]

Norms like obeying the law and not ignoring court orders.

Congress Turns To Stopgap As GOP Tries To Spin Dems’ Separation Of Powers Request As ‘Unreasonable’​

In order to avoid a shutdown, Congress would have to pass legislation — either a bipartisan spending bill (though the likelihood of that happening and happening in time to avert a shutdown is slim to none) or a continuing resolution, a stopgap bill to fund the government through the end of the fiscal year — soon.

In recent days, Democrats in Congress began laying down their red line: in order to get their support on either plan, they’d need some sort of guarantee that Trump and Musk will stop withholding congressionally approved funding and spend federal funds the way they were appropriated.

“Let’s be clear, the Democrat demand is really simple,” Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) told TPM, with a mocking emphasis on the word “demand” on Thursday. “It’s that the President commits to following the law. That’s it. It’s not a big deal.”

“The guardrails that we are asking for are really minimal. It’s just: spend the money as we all appropriated,” Coons, a member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, added during an elevator ride up to the Senate floor.

Congress Turns To Stopgap As GOP Tries To Spin Dems’ Separation Of Powers Request As ‘Unreasonable’

With the March 14 deadline to fund the government looming, Republican leadership...

talkingpointsmemo.com

Democratic senators press Trump nominees on whether officials can ever ignore judges' orders​

Several of President Donald Trump’s nominees for senior Justice Department positions faced questions from Senate Democrats on Wednesday about whether it would ever be lawful for a president to defy a court order, with the nominees largely suggesting they couldn't fully answer without more specifics.

Later in the hearing, the Senate Democrats got a measure of support from Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., who issued a warning to the nominees against subverting the decisions of federal courts.

“Don’t ever, ever take the position that you’re not going to follow the order of a federal court. Ever. Now, you can disagree with it. Within the bounds of legal ethics you can criticize it. You can appeal it, or you can resign,” Kennedy said, before implicitly criticizing the Biden administration. “For four years, I have watched people in this town — not all, not, not everybody — but many try to undermine the legitimacy of the federal judiciary and it triggered each and every time my gag reflex."

“Now all our judiciary has … is its legitimacy. It doesn’t have an army,” Kennedy added.

Democratic senators press Trump nominees on whether officials can ever ignore judges' orders

The issue has come to the fore early in the Trump administration amid Republican criticism of the number and breadth of judicial orders pausing Trump policies.

www.nbcnews.com

The obvious answer is trump has already broken the law and disregarded a court order. The kinds of things that are antecedents to a breakdown of democratic norms and therefore democracy itself.

Making a commitment to the constitutional order doesn't seem like a big ask. It seems like a no-brainer. But these days Repubs want to leave some wiggle room. You know, cuz there are laws the trump admin doesn't want to abide by, and hasn't. And if you are going to be trump's Solicitor General, like John Sauer, you need to be okay with that.

Another long, tedious cut and paste from someone’s personal blog.

Nothing to cut and paste from “Rawstory”?

 

[berg80]

You're right, an official shouldn't ignore the courts, but that doesn't stop them from finding 1000 ways to complete the actions in ways the court didn't say they COULDNT do.....

So, you're saying it's fine to violate the spirit if not the letter of the law. It reminds me of this article.......

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform

What should be done in a post-Trump world to restore the rule of law?

www.lawfaremedia.org

Which basically says the US was unprepared for a norm shattering prez because trump's degree of lawlessness was not contemplated.

 

[SeaMajor7]

All Stalinberg and the rest of the demented LEFT have is LAWFARE.
The black-robed tyranny will be DEFEATED.

 

[Kondor3]

Why?

The Federal Government has been in desperate need of an enema for decades.

That's what the Pubs are apparently engaged in applying at present.

Enemas are by-nature messy and merciless and they smell really bad.

But the benefits and relief provided by the procedure are thought to outweigh the distress by an order of magnitude.

Now... whether that (benefits outweigh distress) ultimately proves to be true remains to be seen.

The Democrats are the Dickens "Tiny TIm" character... "Everything for everybody"... so long as it's somebody else's money.

Runway spending has come to an end and the Dems are merely playing Legislative Minority Obstruction games to no avail.

Personally, I'm hoping for good results from all of this GOP Sledgehammer activity... Democrats be damned... we'll soon see.

 

[berg80]

geezus berg.....trump thread no 839 since 11-4-24....

As the U.S. begins to see the light at the end of the Trumpian tunnel, it is time to begin thinking about the issue of repair. One should not assume the result of the election, but it is nonetheless worth asking the question: What should be done in a post-Trump world to restore the rule of law?

Of Trump’s many excesses, his assault on legal norms has to rank high in terms of damage to fundamental values that form the fabric of America. His attacks on the free press, the independent judiciary and the independence of the Department of Justice have all created significant damage. His abuse of executive discretionary authority has made a mockery of the concept of checks and balances. His gaming of the judicial system has revealed weaknesses in our legal process. His attempts to place himself (and his family and his business interests) above the law have called into question foundational national conceptions of equal justice. In short, President Trump has led a wrecking crew (aided and abetted by William Barr and Mitch McConnell) that has severely damaged American legal norms of behavior.

Trump’s attacks on foundational norms and principles leave policymakers with two choices. Lawmakers and voters can accept that damage and admit the inevitability of American decline, or they can fight to restore and strengthen the country’s legal guardrails. This post is an effort to begin that fight—to identify practical steps that the country can take to reinvigorate the rule of law and the concept of checks and balances.

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform

What should be done in a post-Trump world to restore the rule of law?

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[berg80]

The Federal Government has been in desperate need of an enema for decades.

That's what the Pubs are apparently engaged in applying at present.

You haven't been paying attention. Or the news sources you are paying attention to are lying to you.

“The Republican silence and acquiescence in the face of a march down the road to autocracy and tyranny is absolutely unforgivable,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) told TPM on Thursday. “That is what they are doing in effect. Looking the other way or putting the stamp of approval on the disregard for the law that the Trump administration is showing.”

“We should absolutely insist on safeguards to ensure that funds are spent the way they are appropriated,” Blumenthal continued, adding that it should be a condition to helping the party that holds the majority in both chambers pass a spending bill.

 

[22lcidw]

You guys are running out of ways to say, "I can't respond to your post in a meaningful way without looking like an asshole."

Give the guy a chance and a little time. He won't call you deplorables, dregs and other names.

 

[SeaMajor7]

As the U.S. begins to see the light at the end of the Trumpian tunnel, it is time to begin thinking about the issue of repair. One should not assume the result of the election, but it is nonetheless worth asking the question: What should be done in a post-Trump world to restore the rule of law?

Of Trump’s many excesses, his assault on legal norms has to rank high in terms of damage to fundamental values that form the fabric of America. His attacks on the free press, the independent judiciary and the independence of the Department of Justice have all created significant damage. His abuse of executive discretionary authority has made a mockery of the concept of checks and balances. His gaming of the judicial system has revealed weaknesses in our legal process. His attempts to place himself (and his family and his business interests) above the law have called into question foundational national conceptions of equal justice. In short, President Trump has led a wrecking crew (aided and abetted by William Barr and Mitch McConnell) that has severely damaged American legal norms of behavior.

Trump’s attacks on foundational norms and principles leave policymakers with two choices. Lawmakers and voters can accept that damage and admit the inevitability of American decline, or they can fight to restore and strengthen the country’s legal guardrails. This post is an effort to begin that fight—to identify practical steps that the country can take to reinvigorate the rule of law and the concept of checks and balances.

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform

What should be done in a post-Trump world to restore the rule of law?

www.lawfaremedia.org

GASLIGHT THEATRE BULLSHIT

 

[Hollie]

Norms like obeying the law and not ignoring court orders.

Congress Turns To Stopgap As GOP Tries To Spin Dems’ Separation Of Powers Request As ‘Unreasonable’​

In order to avoid a shutdown, Congress would have to pass legislation — either a bipartisan spending bill (though the likelihood of that happening and happening in time to avert a shutdown is slim to none) or a continuing resolution, a stopgap bill to fund the government through the end of the fiscal year — soon.

In recent days, Democrats in Congress began laying down their red line: in order to get their support on either plan, they’d need some sort of guarantee that Trump and Musk will stop withholding congressionally approved funding and spend federal funds the way they were appropriated.

“Let’s be clear, the Democrat demand is really simple,” Sen. Chris Coons (D-DE) told TPM, with a mocking emphasis on the word “demand” on Thursday. “It’s that the President commits to following the law. That’s it. It’s not a big deal.”

“The guardrails that we are asking for are really minimal. It’s just: spend the money as we all appropriated,” Coons, a member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, added during an elevator ride up to the Senate floor.

Congress Turns To Stopgap As GOP Tries To Spin Dems’ Separation Of Powers Request As ‘Unreasonable’

With the March 14 deadline to fund the government looming, Republican leadership...

talkingpointsmemo.com

Democratic senators press Trump nominees on whether officials can ever ignore judges' orders​

Several of President Donald Trump’s nominees for senior Justice Department positions faced questions from Senate Democrats on Wednesday about whether it would ever be lawful for a president to defy a court order, with the nominees largely suggesting they couldn't fully answer without more specifics.

Later in the hearing, the Senate Democrats got a measure of support from Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., who issued a warning to the nominees against subverting the decisions of federal courts.

“Don’t ever, ever take the position that you’re not going to follow the order of a federal court. Ever. Now, you can disagree with it. Within the bounds of legal ethics you can criticize it. You can appeal it, or you can resign,” Kennedy said, before implicitly criticizing the Biden administration. “For four years, I have watched people in this town — not all, not, not everybody — but many try to undermine the legitimacy of the federal judiciary and it triggered each and every time my gag reflex."

“Now all our judiciary has … is its legitimacy. It doesn’t have an army,” Kennedy added.

Democratic senators press Trump nominees on whether officials can ever ignore judges' orders

The issue has come to the fore early in the Trump administration amid Republican criticism of the number and breadth of judicial orders pausing Trump policies.

www.nbcnews.com

The obvious answer is trump has already broken the law and disregarded a court order. The kinds of things that are antecedents to a breakdown of democratic norms and therefore democracy itself.

Making a commitment to the constitutional order doesn't seem like a big ask. It seems like a no-brainer. But these days Repubs want to leave some wiggle room. You know, cuz there are laws the trump admin doesn't want to abide by, and hasn't. And if you are going to be trump's Solicitor General, like John Sauer, you need to be okay with that.

“Norms like obeying the law and not ignoring court orders.”

Norms like democrats ignoring immigration law while importing millions of illegals?

Norms like Biden ignoring USSC rulings on student loan debt?

Norms like those?

 

[Kondor3]

You haven't been paying attention. Or the news sources you are paying attention to are lying to you.

“The Republican silence and acquiescence in the face of a march down the road to autocracy and tyranny is absolutely unforgivable,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) told TPM on Thursday. “That is what they are doing in effect. Looking the other way or putting the stamp of approval on the disregard for the law that the Trump administration is showing.”

“We should absolutely insist on safeguards to ensure that funds are spent the way they are appropriated,” Blumenthal continued, adding that it should be a condition to helping the party that holds the majority in both chambers pass a spending bill.

Au contraire... I have my own concerns about mainstream GOP political pliancy bordering on cowardice.

But they were sent (back) to D.C. to force-shrink the government and cut the Gordian Knot of government spending.

Now... whether they sheath their sword AFTER cutting the Gordian Knot remains to be seen.

 

[berg80]

Au contraire... I have my own concerns about mainstream GOP political pliancy bordering on cowardice.

But they were sent (back) to D.C. to force-shrink the government and cut the Gordian Knot of government spending.

Now... whether they sheath their sword AFTER cutting the Gordian Knot remains to be seen.

House Repubs barely maintained their majority due to misplaced anger over inflation, not dismantling the government.

House Republicans hit the brakes on town halls after blowback over Trump's cuts​

House Republicans hit the brakes on town halls after blowback over Trump's cuts

A number of Republican lawmakers faced significant pushback in their home districts over Trump and Elon Musk's slashing of the federal government.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[berg80]

after a while all your threads start becoming the same shit over and over...maybe try other subjects....it might break up the monotony....

Put me on ignore........like I have to 73 moronic MAGAists.

 

[Kondor3]

House Repubs barely maintained their majority due to misplaced anger over inflation, not dismantling the government.

But they D-I-D maintain it... and, of course, "Elections have consequences."

House Republicans hit the brakes on town halls after blowback over Trump's cuts​

House Republicans hit the brakes on town halls after blowback over Trump's cuts

A number of Republican lawmakers faced significant pushback in their home districts over Trump and Elon Musk's slashing of the federal government.

www.nbcnews.com

Immaterial.

What will REALLY signify is whether-or-not we're better off at the END of the GOP Sledgehammer pounding.

In their shoes I, too, would not want to publicly dwell on ICE Raids nor Funding Cuts; not until I'd done what I came to do.

Bitching-and-moaning about all this a mere month-plus-change into the Administration will do no good and will be quickly forgotten.