Words To Die By in Ohio

[DrLove]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

NEWS FLASH for ya, pup-weasel, that day comes for EVERYONE. It'll be coming for you.

Yeah well, it won't be coming 25 years too soon due to my idiocy.

Every person who ever died in a car crash, plane crash, hold up murder robbery, terminal cancer, et al., they have all thought that. Never me.

Truth is that the Earth is full of people who died in 1325 who should have lived till the year 1350---- and you know what? It doesn't mean a shit of difference to them or anyone today.

I like my odds a whole lot better if I manage to avoid C-19. At age 62, I probably won't be doing any parasailing, bungee jumping, bull riding, motocross racing or surfing at the Pipeline either.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

NEWS FLASH for ya, pup-weasel, that day comes for EVERYONE. It'll be coming for you.

Yeah well, it won't be coming 25 years too soon due to my idiocy.

Every person who ever died in a car crash, plane crash, hold up murder robbery, terminal cancer, et al., they have all thought that. Never me.

Truth is that the Earth is full of people who died in 1325 who should have lived till the year 1350---- and you know what? It doesn't mean a shit of difference to them or anyone today.

I like my odds a whole lot better if I manage to avoid C-19. At age 62, I probably won't be doing any parasailing, bungee jumping, bull riding, motocross racing or surfing at the Pipeline either.

I hear you. Where do you live? My MD friend said the virus is actually weak if:

#1) You don't touch your face
#2) Wash and or sanitize your hands frequently

Easier said than done, I know.

 

[DrLove]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

Doc, I had it. Not a big deal. You're looking at extreme cases. Most have mild symptoms.

These are the EXACT quotes from my MD.

It has been more than 14 days since the onset of his symptoms. He is currently feeling well and has been for greater than 72 hours. He has never had any fever.

Therefore he may return to work without restrictions. He is immune from Covid 19 infection for the foreseeable future.

Yep, I get that and am happy you are well. What I DON'T get is you find it acceptable that even if our mortality rate ends up being only 1.5 or 2% (WAY to early to tell in US) that this would be acceptable to you. Even at 1.5% - It's 15 times deadlier than the flu.

On March 5, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said during a news conference that about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 patients around the world have died. In a Chinese analysis of more than 72,000 case records, 2.3% of those confirmed or suspected (based on symptoms and exposure) to have the virus died. Patients above 80 years of age had an alarmingly high fatality rate of 14.8%. Patients ages 70 to 79 years had a fatality rate of 8% and those ages 60 to 69 had a fatality rate of 3.6%. (Younger age groups had lower fatality rates; 1.3% for those 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39.) In Italy, which has a high proportion of residents over age 65, the fatality rate is strikingly high, around 10% as of March 25.​

What I get even less is your willingness to send kids back to school because they're likely to be asymptomatic when they can infect their teachers and fellow classmates, then send it home to Mom, Dad and Grandma.

Well I say this:

#1) Open up restaurants and gyms with warnings that those with pre-existing conditions or elderly should only go at their own risk. Period.

#2) Employers should maintain the work from home protocol for those who don't feel safe

#3) Kids should go back to school. If teachers feel uneasy then they don't have to return and still get paid or wear a mask and gloves.

#4) I am immune as are my wife and kids more than likely but still I will not go visit my parents. Better safe than sorry.


My point is we can do both. Not one or the other. 1% is 3.3mil deaths. Too many. but now we have 12 deaths per 100k people. that is acceptable. Even 24 would be. There is a toll in not opening up the economy. Loss of savings, depression, drug addiction, deaths due to postponement of needed medical aid, child and spousal abuse, alcoholism, people getting fat and becoming at higher risk for heart attacks as it is combined with stress, loss of family generational businesses.


Everything must be weighed. I don't have all the answers but I have a lot of questions and don't trust the media to answer them.

Hope this helps you see my POV.

I'm okay with doing some of those things in certain areas on an incremental basis. But I'm sticking with the 95% of doctors and scientists who tell us we shouldn't be doing ANY of it without more TESTING and contact tracing. We hear millions of test kits are coming soon (we've been hearing that for the past two months of course). But even if they come, they won't do a bit of good without the necessary reagents to run the tests. Those come mostly from China. An individual governor has limited access. Only the president could get that done.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

it still amazes me how all the people that spent the last 3 yrs calling trump an authoritarian dictator now want him to be one,,,,

its every americans god given right to put themselves in danger if they so choose,,,my body my choice right??????????

whats net banning cars because they kill so many people,,,OH WAIT they already want that,,,

Cars again. That poor, old strawman is so tired and worn out by the Right that he was put into a nursing home over a year ago, and passed away in March.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

Doc, I had it. Not a big deal. You're looking at extreme cases. Most have mild symptoms.

These are the EXACT quotes from my MD.

It has been more than 14 days since the onset of his symptoms. He is currently feeling well and has been for greater than 72 hours. He has never had any fever.

Therefore he may return to work without restrictions. He is immune from Covid 19 infection for the foreseeable future.

Yep, I get that and am happy you are well. What I DON'T get is you find it acceptable that even if our mortality rate ends up being only 1.5 or 2% (WAY to early to tell in US) that this would be acceptable to you. Even at 1.5% - It's 15 times deadlier than the flu.

On March 5, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said during a news conference that about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 patients around the world have died. In a Chinese analysis of more than 72,000 case records, 2.3% of those confirmed or suspected (based on symptoms and exposure) to have the virus died. Patients above 80 years of age had an alarmingly high fatality rate of 14.8%. Patients ages 70 to 79 years had a fatality rate of 8% and those ages 60 to 69 had a fatality rate of 3.6%. (Younger age groups had lower fatality rates; 1.3% for those 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39.) In Italy, which has a high proportion of residents over age 65, the fatality rate is strikingly high, around 10% as of March 25.​

What I get even less is your willingness to send kids back to school because they're likely to be asymptomatic when they can infect their teachers and fellow classmates, then send it home to Mom, Dad and Grandma.

Well I say this:

#1) Open up restaurants and gyms with warnings that those with pre-existing conditions or elderly should only go at their own risk. Period.

#2) Employers should maintain the work from home protocol for those who don't feel safe

#3) Kids should go back to school. If teachers feel uneasy then they don't have to return and still get paid or wear a mask and gloves.

#4) I am immune as are my wife and kids more than likely but still I will not go visit my parents. Better safe than sorry.


My point is we can do both. Not one or the other. 1% is 3.3mil deaths. Too many. but now we have 12 deaths per 100k people. that is acceptable. Even 24 would be. There is a toll in not opening up the economy. Loss of savings, depression, drug addiction, deaths due to postponement of needed medical aid, child and spousal abuse, alcoholism, people getting fat and becoming at higher risk for heart attacks as it is combined with stress, loss of family generational businesses.


Everything must be weighed. I don't have all the answers but I have a lot of questions and don't trust the media to answer them.

Hope this helps you see my POV.

I'm okay with doing some of those things in certain areas on an incremental basis. But I'm sticking with the 95% of doctors and scientists who tell us we shouldn't be doing ANY of it without more TESTING and contact tracing. We hear millions of test kits are coming soon (we've been hearing that for the past two months of course). But even if they come, they won't do a bit of good without the necessary reagents to run the tests. Those come mostly from China. An individual governor has limited access. Only the president could get that done.

How does testing help all that much?

I get tested today and its negative but tomorrow I could be positive? You'd have to test every person every day...symptoms or no symptoms. I do not see that as feasible. I just don't trust the media on either side and even scientists cannot agree.

 

[DrLove]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

NEWS FLASH for ya, pup-weasel, that day comes for EVERYONE. It'll be coming for you.

Yeah well, it won't be coming 25 years too soon due to my idiocy.

Every person who ever died in a car crash, plane crash, hold up murder robbery, terminal cancer, et al., they have all thought that. Never me.

Truth is that the Earth is full of people who died in 1325 who should have lived till the year 1350---- and you know what? It doesn't mean a shit of difference to them or anyone today.

I like my odds a whole lot better if I manage to avoid C-19. At age 62, I probably won't be doing any parasailing, bungee jumping, bull riding, motocross racing or surfing at the Pipeline either.

I hear you. Where do you live? My MD friend said the virus is actually weak if:

#1) You don't touch your face
#2) Wash and or sanitize your hands frequently

Easier said than done, I know.

Central Oregon Coast. Probably less danger here than most places. I walk on the beach most days weather permitting and it's empty right now. Yep, I do all those things plus wear a mask when I fetch groceries.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

NEWS FLASH for ya, pup-weasel, that day comes for EVERYONE. It'll be coming for you.

Yeah well, it won't be coming 25 years too soon due to my idiocy.

Every person who ever died in a car crash, plane crash, hold up murder robbery, terminal cancer, et al., they have all thought that. Never me.

Truth is that the Earth is full of people who died in 1325 who should have lived till the year 1350---- and you know what? It doesn't mean a shit of difference to them or anyone today.

I like my odds a whole lot better if I manage to avoid C-19. At age 62, I probably won't be doing any parasailing, bungee jumping, bull riding, motocross racing or surfing at the Pipeline either.

I hear you. Where do you live? My MD friend said the virus is actually weak if:

#1) You don't touch your face
#2) Wash and or sanitize your hands frequently

Easier said than done, I know.

Central Oregon Coast. Probably less danger here than most places. I walk on the beach most days weather permitting and it's empty right now. Yep, I do all those things plus wear a mask when I fetch groceries.

Key is not to touch your face and constantly wash your hands. A good friend of mine just moved to Oregon. LOL. Small world. Boston is infested but I am actually glad to have this behind me but people still treat me like I am a leper even though I am the safest person they could be around. Odd.

 

[The VOR]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

How do you know it's true?

The important thing to know is that they're intentionally inflating the numbers, and that is in based in part on their own words, where they openly state they are counting "presumed" or "probable" COVID-19 deaths as COVID-19. In addition to that, numerous healthcare workers have come forward to say that fishy stuff is going on, and none of this is normal or can be trusted.

Nothing that comes out of the MSM can be trusted at face value. Including handpicked manipulative stories like this one. This is all agenda-driven and manipulative, and then you have shills like Dana who are doing the bidding of the criminals behind this whole thing, which is classic Problem-Reaction-Solution. They use FEAR and "emergencies" or "crises" to manipulate the public into willingly going along with their preplanned subversive agendas.

I went to the doctor today and the NP was telling me similar things. She even said when the aids pandemic started way back when and everyone thought they were all gonna die no one shut down the country. We also agreed that no President no matter who they were would be able to handle something of this nature effectively.

AIDS isn't contagious by breathing or touching something. But there sure was a whole lot more protected sex going on.

If you touch your Private part to an aids infected persons private part, you don't get aids?

What an immature, uneducated, ignorant moron you are.

Looks like Mike's been hittin' the moonshine again

Nah, he's just brain dead. He can't help it.

 

[DrLove]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

Doc, I had it. Not a big deal. You're looking at extreme cases. Most have mild symptoms.

These are the EXACT quotes from my MD.

It has been more than 14 days since the onset of his symptoms. He is currently feeling well and has been for greater than 72 hours. He has never had any fever.

Therefore he may return to work without restrictions. He is immune from Covid 19 infection for the foreseeable future.

Yep, I get that and am happy you are well. What I DON'T get is you find it acceptable that even if our mortality rate ends up being only 1.5 or 2% (WAY to early to tell in US) that this would be acceptable to you. Even at 1.5% - It's 15 times deadlier than the flu.

On March 5, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said during a news conference that about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 patients around the world have died. In a Chinese analysis of more than 72,000 case records, 2.3% of those confirmed or suspected (based on symptoms and exposure) to have the virus died. Patients above 80 years of age had an alarmingly high fatality rate of 14.8%. Patients ages 70 to 79 years had a fatality rate of 8% and those ages 60 to 69 had a fatality rate of 3.6%. (Younger age groups had lower fatality rates; 1.3% for those 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39.) In Italy, which has a high proportion of residents over age 65, the fatality rate is strikingly high, around 10% as of March 25.​

What I get even less is your willingness to send kids back to school because they're likely to be asymptomatic when they can infect their teachers and fellow classmates, then send it home to Mom, Dad and Grandma.

Well I say this:

#1) Open up restaurants and gyms with warnings that those with pre-existing conditions or elderly should only go at their own risk. Period.

#2) Employers should maintain the work from home protocol for those who don't feel safe

#3) Kids should go back to school. If teachers feel uneasy then they don't have to return and still get paid or wear a mask and gloves.

#4) I am immune as are my wife and kids more than likely but still I will not go visit my parents. Better safe than sorry.


My point is we can do both. Not one or the other. 1% is 3.3mil deaths. Too many. but now we have 12 deaths per 100k people. that is acceptable. Even 24 would be. There is a toll in not opening up the economy. Loss of savings, depression, drug addiction, deaths due to postponement of needed medical aid, child and spousal abuse, alcoholism, people getting fat and becoming at higher risk for heart attacks as it is combined with stress, loss of family generational businesses.


Everything must be weighed. I don't have all the answers but I have a lot of questions and don't trust the media to answer them.

Hope this helps you see my POV.

I'm okay with doing some of those things in certain areas on an incremental basis. But I'm sticking with the 95% of doctors and scientists who tell us we shouldn't be doing ANY of it without more TESTING and contact tracing. We hear millions of test kits are coming soon (we've been hearing that for the past two months of course). But even if they come, they won't do a bit of good without the necessary reagents to run the tests. Those come mostly from China. An individual governor has limited access. Only the president could get that done.

How does testing help all that much?

I get tested today and its negative but tomorrow I could be positive? You'd have to test every person every day...symptoms or no symptoms. I do not see that as feasible. I just don't trust the media on either side and even scientists cannot agree.

Testing is hardly perfect, but it gives us a snapshot of where we are exactly and where the potential hotspots are. This should be a nationally organized effort by the CDC. We should be doing a million a day. Some experts say 2 million a day.

Trump lies when he says we're doing more testing than anyone. Our efforts in that regard have SUCKED. We no longer rank last per capita but we sure as hell ain't first. We're fifth to be exact.

Vox no longer ranks the U.S. last in per capita testing. On April 13, it placed the U.S. fifth among nine nations: Italy, Germany, Canada, South Korea, Netherlands, U.K., France and Taiwan.

COVID-19 science: Why testing is so important

When a communicable disease outbreak begins, the ideal response is for public health officials to begin testing for it early. American Heart Association Chief Medical Officer for Prevention Dr. Eduardo Sanchez explains why.

www.heart.org

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

Doc, I had it. Not a big deal. You're looking at extreme cases. Most have mild symptoms.

These are the EXACT quotes from my MD.

It has been more than 14 days since the onset of his symptoms. He is currently feeling well and has been for greater than 72 hours. He has never had any fever.

Therefore he may return to work without restrictions. He is immune from Covid 19 infection for the foreseeable future.

Yep, I get that and am happy you are well. What I DON'T get is you find it acceptable that even if our mortality rate ends up being only 1.5 or 2% (WAY to early to tell in US) that this would be acceptable to you. Even at 1.5% - It's 15 times deadlier than the flu.

On March 5, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said during a news conference that about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 patients around the world have died. In a Chinese analysis of more than 72,000 case records, 2.3% of those confirmed or suspected (based on symptoms and exposure) to have the virus died. Patients above 80 years of age had an alarmingly high fatality rate of 14.8%. Patients ages 70 to 79 years had a fatality rate of 8% and those ages 60 to 69 had a fatality rate of 3.6%. (Younger age groups had lower fatality rates; 1.3% for those 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39.) In Italy, which has a high proportion of residents over age 65, the fatality rate is strikingly high, around 10% as of March 25.​

What I get even less is your willingness to send kids back to school because they're likely to be asymptomatic when they can infect their teachers and fellow classmates, then send it home to Mom, Dad and Grandma.

Well I say this:

#1) Open up restaurants and gyms with warnings that those with pre-existing conditions or elderly should only go at their own risk. Period.

#2) Employers should maintain the work from home protocol for those who don't feel safe

#3) Kids should go back to school. If teachers feel uneasy then they don't have to return and still get paid or wear a mask and gloves.

#4) I am immune as are my wife and kids more than likely but still I will not go visit my parents. Better safe than sorry.


My point is we can do both. Not one or the other. 1% is 3.3mil deaths. Too many. but now we have 12 deaths per 100k people. that is acceptable. Even 24 would be. There is a toll in not opening up the economy. Loss of savings, depression, drug addiction, deaths due to postponement of needed medical aid, child and spousal abuse, alcoholism, people getting fat and becoming at higher risk for heart attacks as it is combined with stress, loss of family generational businesses.


Everything must be weighed. I don't have all the answers but I have a lot of questions and don't trust the media to answer them.

Hope this helps you see my POV.

I'm okay with doing some of those things in certain areas on an incremental basis. But I'm sticking with the 95% of doctors and scientists who tell us we shouldn't be doing ANY of it without more TESTING and contact tracing. We hear millions of test kits are coming soon (we've been hearing that for the past two months of course). But even if they come, they won't do a bit of good without the necessary reagents to run the tests. Those come mostly from China. An individual governor has limited access. Only the president could get that done.

How does testing help all that much?

I get tested today and its negative but tomorrow I could be positive? You'd have to test every person every day...symptoms or no symptoms. I do not see that as feasible. I just don't trust the media on either side and even scientists cannot agree.

Testing is hardly perfect, but it gives us a snapshot of where we are exactly and where the potential hotspots are. This should be a nationally organized effort by the CDC. We should be doing a million a day. Some experts say 2 million a day.

Trump lies when he says we're doing more testing than anyone. Our efforts in that regard have SUCKED. We no longer rank last per capita but we sure as hell ain't first. We're fifth to be exact.

Vox no longer ranks the U.S. last in per capita testing. On April 13, it placed the U.S. fifth among nine nations: Italy, Germany, Canada, South Korea, Netherlands, U.K., France and Taiwan.

COVID-19 science: Why testing is so important

When a communicable disease outbreak begins, the ideal response is for public health officials to begin testing for it early. American Heart Association Chief Medical Officer for Prevention Dr. Eduardo Sanchez explains why.

www.heart.org

I believe he means in absolute tests vs. per capita because some places in North Dakota and Idaho are probably not worth testing. What I do not get is why Cali wasn't impacted as harshly as NYC? Warmer climate?

 

[DrLove]

Key is not to touch your face and constantly wash your hands. A good friend of mine just moved to Oregon. LOL. Small world. Boston is infested but I am actually glad to have this behind me but people still treat me like I am a leper even though I am the safest person they could be around. Odd.

My primary company is in Boston. They're all working from home. Hell, all my clients are working from home too.
Tom Hanks said the same thing recently about feeling unwanted as company (go to 2:15 mark)

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Key is not to touch your face and constantly wash your hands. A good friend of mine just moved to Oregon. LOL. Small world. Boston is infested but I am actually glad to have this behind me but people still treat me like I am a leper even though I am the safest person they could be around. Odd.

My primary company is in Boston. They're all working from home. Hell, all my clients are working from home too.
Tom Hanks said the same thing recently about feeling unwanted as company (go to 2:15 mark)

LOL

What company? Don't have to share if you don't feel comfortable.

 

[DrLove]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

Doc, I had it. Not a big deal. You're looking at extreme cases. Most have mild symptoms.

These are the EXACT quotes from my MD.

It has been more than 14 days since the onset of his symptoms. He is currently feeling well and has been for greater than 72 hours. He has never had any fever.

Therefore he may return to work without restrictions. He is immune from Covid 19 infection for the foreseeable future.

Yep, I get that and am happy you are well. What I DON'T get is you find it acceptable that even if our mortality rate ends up being only 1.5 or 2% (WAY to early to tell in US) that this would be acceptable to you. Even at 1.5% - It's 15 times deadlier than the flu.

On March 5, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said during a news conference that about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 patients around the world have died. In a Chinese analysis of more than 72,000 case records, 2.3% of those confirmed or suspected (based on symptoms and exposure) to have the virus died. Patients above 80 years of age had an alarmingly high fatality rate of 14.8%. Patients ages 70 to 79 years had a fatality rate of 8% and those ages 60 to 69 had a fatality rate of 3.6%. (Younger age groups had lower fatality rates; 1.3% for those 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39.) In Italy, which has a high proportion of residents over age 65, the fatality rate is strikingly high, around 10% as of March 25.​

What I get even less is your willingness to send kids back to school because they're likely to be asymptomatic when they can infect their teachers and fellow classmates, then send it home to Mom, Dad and Grandma.

Well I say this:

#1) Open up restaurants and gyms with warnings that those with pre-existing conditions or elderly should only go at their own risk. Period.

#2) Employers should maintain the work from home protocol for those who don't feel safe

#3) Kids should go back to school. If teachers feel uneasy then they don't have to return and still get paid or wear a mask and gloves.

#4) I am immune as are my wife and kids more than likely but still I will not go visit my parents. Better safe than sorry.


My point is we can do both. Not one or the other. 1% is 3.3mil deaths. Too many. but now we have 12 deaths per 100k people. that is acceptable. Even 24 would be. There is a toll in not opening up the economy. Loss of savings, depression, drug addiction, deaths due to postponement of needed medical aid, child and spousal abuse, alcoholism, people getting fat and becoming at higher risk for heart attacks as it is combined with stress, loss of family generational businesses.


Everything must be weighed. I don't have all the answers but I have a lot of questions and don't trust the media to answer them.

Hope this helps you see my POV.

I'm okay with doing some of those things in certain areas on an incremental basis. But I'm sticking with the 95% of doctors and scientists who tell us we shouldn't be doing ANY of it without more TESTING and contact tracing. We hear millions of test kits are coming soon (we've been hearing that for the past two months of course). But even if they come, they won't do a bit of good without the necessary reagents to run the tests. Those come mostly from China. An individual governor has limited access. Only the president could get that done.

How does testing help all that much?

I get tested today and its negative but tomorrow I could be positive? You'd have to test every person every day...symptoms or no symptoms. I do not see that as feasible. I just don't trust the media on either side and even scientists cannot agree.

Testing is hardly perfect, but it gives us a snapshot of where we are exactly and where the potential hotspots are. This should be a nationally organized effort by the CDC. We should be doing a million a day. Some experts say 2 million a day.

Trump lies when he says we're doing more testing than anyone. Our efforts in that regard have SUCKED. We no longer rank last per capita but we sure as hell ain't first. We're fifth to be exact.

Vox no longer ranks the U.S. last in per capita testing. On April 13, it placed the U.S. fifth among nine nations: Italy, Germany, Canada, South Korea, Netherlands, U.K., France and Taiwan.

COVID-19 science: Why testing is so important

When a communicable disease outbreak begins, the ideal response is for public health officials to begin testing for it early. American Heart Association Chief Medical Officer for Prevention Dr. Eduardo Sanchez explains why.

www.heart.org

I believe he means in absolute tests vs. per capita because some places in North Dakota and Idaho are probably not worth testing. What I do not get is why Cali wasn't impacted as harshly as NYC? Warmer climate?

Cali isn't as densely populated as NYC. Not even LA an San Fran. Also, NYC is pretty much the gateway to the country from abroad.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

Doc, I had it. Not a big deal. You're looking at extreme cases. Most have mild symptoms.

These are the EXACT quotes from my MD.

It has been more than 14 days since the onset of his symptoms. He is currently feeling well and has been for greater than 72 hours. He has never had any fever.

Therefore he may return to work without restrictions. He is immune from Covid 19 infection for the foreseeable future.

Yep, I get that and am happy you are well. What I DON'T get is you find it acceptable that even if our mortality rate ends up being only 1.5 or 2% (WAY to early to tell in US) that this would be acceptable to you. Even at 1.5% - It's 15 times deadlier than the flu.

On March 5, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said during a news conference that about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 patients around the world have died. In a Chinese analysis of more than 72,000 case records, 2.3% of those confirmed or suspected (based on symptoms and exposure) to have the virus died. Patients above 80 years of age had an alarmingly high fatality rate of 14.8%. Patients ages 70 to 79 years had a fatality rate of 8% and those ages 60 to 69 had a fatality rate of 3.6%. (Younger age groups had lower fatality rates; 1.3% for those 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39.) In Italy, which has a high proportion of residents over age 65, the fatality rate is strikingly high, around 10% as of March 25.​

What I get even less is your willingness to send kids back to school because they're likely to be asymptomatic when they can infect their teachers and fellow classmates, then send it home to Mom, Dad and Grandma.

Well I say this:

#1) Open up restaurants and gyms with warnings that those with pre-existing conditions or elderly should only go at their own risk. Period.

#2) Employers should maintain the work from home protocol for those who don't feel safe

#3) Kids should go back to school. If teachers feel uneasy then they don't have to return and still get paid or wear a mask and gloves.

#4) I am immune as are my wife and kids more than likely but still I will not go visit my parents. Better safe than sorry.


My point is we can do both. Not one or the other. 1% is 3.3mil deaths. Too many. but now we have 12 deaths per 100k people. that is acceptable. Even 24 would be. There is a toll in not opening up the economy. Loss of savings, depression, drug addiction, deaths due to postponement of needed medical aid, child and spousal abuse, alcoholism, people getting fat and becoming at higher risk for heart attacks as it is combined with stress, loss of family generational businesses.


Everything must be weighed. I don't have all the answers but I have a lot of questions and don't trust the media to answer them.

Hope this helps you see my POV.

I'm okay with doing some of those things in certain areas on an incremental basis. But I'm sticking with the 95% of doctors and scientists who tell us we shouldn't be doing ANY of it without more TESTING and contact tracing. We hear millions of test kits are coming soon (we've been hearing that for the past two months of course). But even if they come, they won't do a bit of good without the necessary reagents to run the tests. Those come mostly from China. An individual governor has limited access. Only the president could get that done.

How does testing help all that much?

I get tested today and its negative but tomorrow I could be positive? You'd have to test every person every day...symptoms or no symptoms. I do not see that as feasible. I just don't trust the media on either side and even scientists cannot agree.

Testing is hardly perfect, but it gives us a snapshot of where we are exactly and where the potential hotspots are. This should be a nationally organized effort by the CDC. We should be doing a million a day. Some experts say 2 million a day.

Trump lies when he says we're doing more testing than anyone. Our efforts in that regard have SUCKED. We no longer rank last per capita but we sure as hell ain't first. We're fifth to be exact.

Vox no longer ranks the U.S. last in per capita testing. On April 13, it placed the U.S. fifth among nine nations: Italy, Germany, Canada, South Korea, Netherlands, U.K., France and Taiwan.

COVID-19 science: Why testing is so important

When a communicable disease outbreak begins, the ideal response is for public health officials to begin testing for it early. American Heart Association Chief Medical Officer for Prevention Dr. Eduardo Sanchez explains why.

www.heart.org

I believe he means in absolute tests vs. per capita because some places in North Dakota and Idaho are probably not worth testing. What I do not get is why Cali wasn't impacted as harshly as NYC? Warmer climate?

Cali isn't as densely populated as NYC. Not even LA an San Fran. Also, NYC is pretty much the gateway to the country from abroad.

LAX is pretty busy yet Cali has what 5% of the cases of NYC?

 

[DrLove]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

Doc, I had it. Not a big deal. You're looking at extreme cases. Most have mild symptoms.

These are the EXACT quotes from my MD.

It has been more than 14 days since the onset of his symptoms. He is currently feeling well and has been for greater than 72 hours. He has never had any fever.

Therefore he may return to work without restrictions. He is immune from Covid 19 infection for the foreseeable future.

Yep, I get that and am happy you are well. What I DON'T get is you find it acceptable that even if our mortality rate ends up being only 1.5 or 2% (WAY to early to tell in US) that this would be acceptable to you. Even at 1.5% - It's 15 times deadlier than the flu.

On March 5, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said during a news conference that about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 patients around the world have died. In a Chinese analysis of more than 72,000 case records, 2.3% of those confirmed or suspected (based on symptoms and exposure) to have the virus died. Patients above 80 years of age had an alarmingly high fatality rate of 14.8%. Patients ages 70 to 79 years had a fatality rate of 8% and those ages 60 to 69 had a fatality rate of 3.6%. (Younger age groups had lower fatality rates; 1.3% for those 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39.) In Italy, which has a high proportion of residents over age 65, the fatality rate is strikingly high, around 10% as of March 25.​

What I get even less is your willingness to send kids back to school because they're likely to be asymptomatic when they can infect their teachers and fellow classmates, then send it home to Mom, Dad and Grandma.

Well I say this:

#1) Open up restaurants and gyms with warnings that those with pre-existing conditions or elderly should only go at their own risk. Period.

#2) Employers should maintain the work from home protocol for those who don't feel safe

#3) Kids should go back to school. If teachers feel uneasy then they don't have to return and still get paid or wear a mask and gloves.

#4) I am immune as are my wife and kids more than likely but still I will not go visit my parents. Better safe than sorry.


My point is we can do both. Not one or the other. 1% is 3.3mil deaths. Too many. but now we have 12 deaths per 100k people. that is acceptable. Even 24 would be. There is a toll in not opening up the economy. Loss of savings, depression, drug addiction, deaths due to postponement of needed medical aid, child and spousal abuse, alcoholism, people getting fat and becoming at higher risk for heart attacks as it is combined with stress, loss of family generational businesses.


Everything must be weighed. I don't have all the answers but I have a lot of questions and don't trust the media to answer them.

Hope this helps you see my POV.

I'm okay with doing some of those things in certain areas on an incremental basis. But I'm sticking with the 95% of doctors and scientists who tell us we shouldn't be doing ANY of it without more TESTING and contact tracing. We hear millions of test kits are coming soon (we've been hearing that for the past two months of course). But even if they come, they won't do a bit of good without the necessary reagents to run the tests. Those come mostly from China. An individual governor has limited access. Only the president could get that done.

How does testing help all that much?

I get tested today and its negative but tomorrow I could be positive? You'd have to test every person every day...symptoms or no symptoms. I do not see that as feasible. I just don't trust the media on either side and even scientists cannot agree.

Testing is hardly perfect, but it gives us a snapshot of where we are exactly and where the potential hotspots are. This should be a nationally organized effort by the CDC. We should be doing a million a day. Some experts say 2 million a day.

Trump lies when he says we're doing more testing than anyone. Our efforts in that regard have SUCKED. We no longer rank last per capita but we sure as hell ain't first. We're fifth to be exact.

Vox no longer ranks the U.S. last in per capita testing. On April 13, it placed the U.S. fifth among nine nations: Italy, Germany, Canada, South Korea, Netherlands, U.K., France and Taiwan.

COVID-19 science: Why testing is so important

When a communicable disease outbreak begins, the ideal response is for public health officials to begin testing for it early. American Heart Association Chief Medical Officer for Prevention Dr. Eduardo Sanchez explains why.

www.heart.org

I believe he means in absolute tests vs. per capita because some places in North Dakota and Idaho are probably not worth testing. What I do not get is why Cali wasn't impacted as harshly as NYC? Warmer climate?

Cali isn't as densely populated as NYC. Not even LA an San Fran. Also, NYC is pretty much the gateway to the country from abroad.

LAX is pretty busy yet Cali has what 5% of the cases of NYC?

You're right - Kennedy and LaGuardia don't even show in top 10. LAX is #2.
Go figure, but I still bet NYC gets more international arrivals.

The Biggest and Busiest Airports in the US in 2020

What are the biggest US airports by passenger traffic? And the largest airports in the US by size? Here's the 2020 ranking of the biggest US airports!

www.claimcompass.eu

 

[DrLove]

Key is not to touch your face and constantly wash your hands. A good friend of mine just moved to Oregon. LOL. Small world. Boston is infested but I am actually glad to have this behind me but people still treat me like I am a leper even though I am the safest person they could be around. Odd.

My primary company is in Boston. They're all working from home. Hell, all my clients are working from home too.
Tom Hanks said the same thing recently about feeling unwanted as company (go to 2:15 mark)

LOL

What company? Don't have to share if you don't feel comfortable.

I'm self employed but still wouldn't feel comfortable sharing. They do business to business incentive programs. I'm out there every couple years. Will PM ya next time I come into Logan and buy ya an IPA and a lobster roll.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

AtD - I KNOW you are smarter than this. Kids spread germs like I spread cream cheese on a bagel. They may be asymptomatic, but then bring it home to Mom, Dad, Grandma and Grandpa in addition to sharing it with their teachers. How many teachers ya figure are gonna wanna come back? We have a teacher shortage as it is without putting the ones we have in harms way!

21 New York City teachers have died of coronavirus, Department of Education says

The NYC Department of Education says 50 employees, including 21 teachers, have died due to the virus.

www.cbsnews.com

Me. I am a public school teacher in MICHIGAN, in one of the worst hit areas, and I want to go back.

I would rather live, and REALLY live, doing what I love, boldly, than die cowering in fear.

You talk a big game - We'll see how anxious you are when the day comes.

Doc, I had it. Not a big deal. You're looking at extreme cases. Most have mild symptoms.

These are the EXACT quotes from my MD.

It has been more than 14 days since the onset of his symptoms. He is currently feeling well and has been for greater than 72 hours. He has never had any fever.

Therefore he may return to work without restrictions. He is immune from Covid 19 infection for the foreseeable future.

Yep, I get that and am happy you are well. What I DON'T get is you find it acceptable that even if our mortality rate ends up being only 1.5 or 2% (WAY to early to tell in US) that this would be acceptable to you. Even at 1.5% - It's 15 times deadlier than the flu.

On March 5, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, director-general of the World Health Organization, said during a news conference that about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 patients around the world have died. In a Chinese analysis of more than 72,000 case records, 2.3% of those confirmed or suspected (based on symptoms and exposure) to have the virus died. Patients above 80 years of age had an alarmingly high fatality rate of 14.8%. Patients ages 70 to 79 years had a fatality rate of 8% and those ages 60 to 69 had a fatality rate of 3.6%. (Younger age groups had lower fatality rates; 1.3% for those 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39.) In Italy, which has a high proportion of residents over age 65, the fatality rate is strikingly high, around 10% as of March 25.​

What I get even less is your willingness to send kids back to school because they're likely to be asymptomatic when they can infect their teachers and fellow classmates, then send it home to Mom, Dad and Grandma.

Well I say this:

#1) Open up restaurants and gyms with warnings that those with pre-existing conditions or elderly should only go at their own risk. Period.

#2) Employers should maintain the work from home protocol for those who don't feel safe

#3) Kids should go back to school. If teachers feel uneasy then they don't have to return and still get paid or wear a mask and gloves.

#4) I am immune as are my wife and kids more than likely but still I will not go visit my parents. Better safe than sorry.


My point is we can do both. Not one or the other. 1% is 3.3mil deaths. Too many. but now we have 12 deaths per 100k people. that is acceptable. Even 24 would be. There is a toll in not opening up the economy. Loss of savings, depression, drug addiction, deaths due to postponement of needed medical aid, child and spousal abuse, alcoholism, people getting fat and becoming at higher risk for heart attacks as it is combined with stress, loss of family generational businesses.


Everything must be weighed. I don't have all the answers but I have a lot of questions and don't trust the media to answer them.

Hope this helps you see my POV.

I'm okay with doing some of those things in certain areas on an incremental basis. But I'm sticking with the 95% of doctors and scientists who tell us we shouldn't be doing ANY of it without more TESTING and contact tracing. We hear millions of test kits are coming soon (we've been hearing that for the past two months of course). But even if they come, they won't do a bit of good without the necessary reagents to run the tests. Those come mostly from China. An individual governor has limited access. Only the president could get that done.

How does testing help all that much?

I get tested today and its negative but tomorrow I could be positive? You'd have to test every person every day...symptoms or no symptoms. I do not see that as feasible. I just don't trust the media on either side and even scientists cannot agree.

Testing is hardly perfect, but it gives us a snapshot of where we are exactly and where the potential hotspots are. This should be a nationally organized effort by the CDC. We should be doing a million a day. Some experts say 2 million a day.

Trump lies when he says we're doing more testing than anyone. Our efforts in that regard have SUCKED. We no longer rank last per capita but we sure as hell ain't first. We're fifth to be exact.

Vox no longer ranks the U.S. last in per capita testing. On April 13, it placed the U.S. fifth among nine nations: Italy, Germany, Canada, South Korea, Netherlands, U.K., France and Taiwan.

COVID-19 science: Why testing is so important

When a communicable disease outbreak begins, the ideal response is for public health officials to begin testing for it early. American Heart Association Chief Medical Officer for Prevention Dr. Eduardo Sanchez explains why.

www.heart.org

I believe he means in absolute tests vs. per capita because some places in North Dakota and Idaho are probably not worth testing. What I do not get is why Cali wasn't impacted as harshly as NYC? Warmer climate?

Cali isn't as densely populated as NYC. Not even LA an San Fran. Also, NYC is pretty much the gateway to the country from abroad.

LAX is pretty busy yet Cali has what 5% of the cases of NYC?

You're right - Kennedy and LaGuardia don't even show in top 10. LAX is #2.
Go figure, but I still bet NYC gets more international arrivals.

The Biggest and Busiest Airports in the US in 2020

What are the biggest US airports by passenger traffic? And the largest airports in the US by size? Here's the 2020 ranking of the biggest US airports!

www.claimcompass.eu

My theory is that our strand/strain comes from Europe and the one on the West Coast from China, and our strain is not much different but enough to be deadlier.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Key is not to touch your face and constantly wash your hands. A good friend of mine just moved to Oregon. LOL. Small world. Boston is infested but I am actually glad to have this behind me but people still treat me like I am a leper even though I am the safest person they could be around. Odd.

My primary company is in Boston. They're all working from home. Hell, all my clients are working from home too.
Tom Hanks said the same thing recently about feeling unwanted as company (go to 2:15 mark)

LOL

What company? Don't have to share if you don't feel comfortable.

I'm self employed but still wouldn't feel comfortable sharing. They do business to business incentive programs. I'm out there every couple years. Will PM ya next time I come into Logan and buy ya an IPA and a lobster roll.

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lennypartiv]

DeWine will come to his senses and reopen Ohio's economy shortly.

 

[Dana7360]

Yes what he did was stupid. He shouldn't have to pay for that stupidity with his life.

He was a human being that did have a life, a family and was loved.

I really wish people would wake up. This virus kills. It doesn't matter how old you are, what political party you're a member of, where you live or anything.

It kills.

Please, all of you who aren't taking this seriously, TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY!

You can't be free to enjoy life if you're dead.

The life you save may be your own.

Man Who Called Ohio's Lockdown Order 'Bullshit' Has Succumbed To COVID-19

John McDaniel railed on social media against Ohio's Gov. Mike DeWine's lockdown order. Weeks later he contracted the virus. A few days ago he died.

crooksandliars.com

The lockdown IS bullshit. That doesn't mean you can't die from the virus! And calling the lockdown what it is doesn't mean you don't think the virus isn't real. But there are 10,000 other things out there that can kill you just as easily. Like a car wreck. We have 40,000 of them every year too. Just like the virus. I bet you still drive your car.

You just gots to takes your chances. Like we do with idiots like you.

I was unaware that car wrecks were contagious. Now I feel better informed!

they are worse,,, they come at you a lot faster and with more aggression,,,

Yes, but they aren't contagious and we have lost more Americans in the past 6 weeks than we lose to auto accidents in a year.

OK,,and???

whats your solution?? turning the country into a police state and forcing people at gun point to stay in their houses???

cause thats what its going to take when more people start starving to death,,,,

Even if every governor in the country opted for business as usual tomorrow, most of the country would still work from home or not at all and smart parents would keep their children out of school. Of course, it might work out well if only Trumptards got back to work - Thinning the herd before the election might be a swell concept!

Kids are not at risk. Why keep them home?

Yes they are. Children have already died from the virus. Plus they can bring it home to infect everyone there.

12 year old dies of virus