Worship Of Government: Distinctions Without A Difference

[mudwhistle]

There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Most Muslims feel that freedom is a bad thing......because in Islamic societies....freedom creates extremism and violence.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

This from a Trump worshiper!

Damn shame irony is lost on the ignorant


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Yes, we get it...You're a Trump hating, state worshiping, fake libertarian....What else is new?

this from the Trump worshiping, state worshiping, fake anarchist.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Most Muslims feel that freedom is a bad thing......because in Islamic societies....freedom creates extremism and violence.

Which explains why "Islam" translates as 'submission.'

Essentially the same as the six collectivist forms.



Didn't stop the liar, Obama...

Obama: “So let’s start with this fact: For more than a thousand years, people have been drawn to Islam’s message of peace. And the very word itself, ‘Islam,’ comes from ‘salam’ — peace.”

Why did Obama say this? Even Muslim websites acknowledge that “Islam” means “submission” [to Allah], that it comes from the Arabic root “aslama” meaning submission, and that “Islam” is in the command form of that verb.

That’s why “Muslim” means “One who submits,” not “One who is peaceful.”
You Don't Know What Obama Said at the Mosque - The Dennis Prager Show

What a lying liar he is!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. None of these are possible under Fascism, Socialism, or the New Deal. All six statist programs are based on an impossibility…. changing human nature.

But, they pretend they can do it. Mussolini wrote in his 1928 autobiography:

“The citizen in the Fascist State is no longer a selfish individual who has the anti-social right of rebelling against any law of the Collectivity. The Fascist State with its corporative conception puts men and their possibilities into productive work and interprets for them the duties they have to fulfill. “(p. 280)




The Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia


Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :

"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will" New Soviet man - Wikipedia



Progressives have a similar view: human nature is plastic; politics is a means of perfecting man!

In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html_____


That’s why they claim a man can become a woman and vice versa by simply wishing it.



Communism, National Socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism.....all have a the central doctrine:
"....an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature...." Goldberg, LF

 

[daveman]

6. America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. None of these are possible under Fascism, Socialism, or the New Deal. All six statist programs are based on an impossibility…. changing human nature.

But, they pretend they can do it. Mussolini wrote in his 1928 autobiography:

“The citizen in the Fascist State is no longer a selfish individual who has the anti-social right of rebelling against any law of the Collectivity. The Fascist State with its corporative conception puts men and their possibilities into productive work and interprets for them the duties they have to fulfill. “(p. 280)




The Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia


Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :

"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will" New Soviet man - Wikipedia



Progressives have a similar view: human nature is plastic; politics is a means of perfecting man!

In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html_____


That’s why they claim a man can become a woman and vice versa by simply wishing it.



Communism, National Socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism.....all have a the central doctrine:
"....an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature...." Goldberg, LF

Under leftism, people do and say and feel and think as the State dictates....or they get the bullet.

Rational people do not voluntarily choose leftism. They do so only by threat of government violence.

That should tell leftists something...but they're simply not bright enough to get it.

 

[Penelope]

There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Yes lets get rid of all judges like Tramp suggests and wants. We can become a one man Army, the army of Tramp.

Is it too much to ask that you be coherent?

I'll make it easy for you.

Jesus would be a socialist.

Paul would be a fascist.

 

[anynameyouwish]

There are six forms of governance that require the bending of the knee and the neck to government.

These six are actually only a single way of governing, the collectivist way: Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism, believing that government knows best. All six forms of socialism are simple variations on a theme: the individual must be subverted to the collective.



The alternative is capitalism, and free markets, based on individualism. “… the perennial question of European civilization: the individual versus the state. “Man is not ordained to the body politic, according to all that he is and has,” Thomas Aquinas wrote; “and so it does not follow that every action of his acquires merit or demerit in relation to the body politic.” NYSun


There are only two choices:

“There is simply no other choice than this: either to abstain from interference in the free play of the market, or to delegate the entire management of production and distribution to the government.
Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no middle way.”
Books / Digital Text





1.Government schooling functions via ‘Mushroom Management,” keep ‘em in the dark and feed ‘em manure. The result is that a large number of their graduates imagine that there is a difference between Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Progressivism. Polls show many such government school grads actually favor socialism over capitalism.

…..all six of ‘em fit these criterion: the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!



Liberals, in my experience, are fearful folks who need the bodyguard of big government because they are vulnerable, battered emotional hypochondriacs....they need to insure themselves against every societal misadventure that could occur. They call that 'empathy,' but it's actually neurosis. They have some sort of metaphorical bullet lodged near their heart, just waiting for a slight move which will end it all! Thus, the overwhelming feeling of incipient failure, and apprehension. And, recognizing their own weakness, they lash out at those willing to depend on themselves.

They need the god called government and they worship same.

you write the most ridiculous drivel.

I (we) do NOT worship the government.

I (we) do NOT believe the government can fix everything

(seriously....do you KNOW you are lying? is your brain defective?....what IS wrong with you?)

and we do NOT lash out at people who are "willing to depend on themselves"

When you say "liberals" you are painting with a BROAD BRUSH!

A conservative told me that when you do that you lose all credibility.

of course, I've read enough of your drivel to know that you never had any.

 

[daveman]

There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Yes lets get rid of all judges like Tramp suggests and wants. We can become a one man Army, the army of Tramp.

Is it too much to ask that you be coherent?

I'll make it easy for you.

Jesus would be a socialist.

Paul would be a fascist.

Easy -- but wrong.

 

[Penelope]

There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Yes lets get rid of all judges like Tramp suggests and wants. We can become a one man Army, the army of Tramp.

Is it too much to ask that you be coherent?

I'll make it easy for you.

Jesus would be a socialist.

Paul would be a fascist.

Easy -- but wrong.

So you have not read the NT. I see.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Yes lets get rid of all judges like Tramp suggests and wants. We can become a one man Army, the army of Tramp.

Is it too much to ask that you be coherent?

I'll make it easy for you.

Jesus would be a socialist.

Paul would be a fascist.

Have you ever read a book?????

You do know what a book is, don't you, you dunce????


There is no support for socialism in the Bible.




Not socialism, the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.”
Is God a Socialist?




Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al






And this is the face of government coercion.....


Under the Bolsheviks, the dynasty with which Franklin Roosevelt felt comradeship, slaughter was so omnipresent that corpse-disposal actually became a problem.

There was resistance to the Lefts mandate of collectivism, especially in the Ukraine.
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.


Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.

 

[daveman]

There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Yes lets get rid of all judges like Tramp suggests and wants. We can become a one man Army, the army of Tramp.

Is it too much to ask that you be coherent?

I'll make it easy for you.

Jesus would be a socialist.

Paul would be a fascist.

Easy -- but wrong.

So you have not read the NT. I see.

Yes, I have. Can you point out the verses where Jesus says that people should vote for government to take care of the poor?

Because in the Bibles I've read, He says for us to take care of the poor ourselves.

 

[PoliticalChic]

There are six forms of governance that require the bending of the knee and the neck to government.

These six are actually only a single way of governing, the collectivist way: Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism, believing that government knows best. All six forms of socialism are simple variations on a theme: the individual must be subverted to the collective.



The alternative is capitalism, and free markets, based on individualism. “… the perennial question of European civilization: the individual versus the state. “Man is not ordained to the body politic, according to all that he is and has,” Thomas Aquinas wrote; “and so it does not follow that every action of his acquires merit or demerit in relation to the body politic.” NYSun


There are only two choices:

“There is simply no other choice than this: either to abstain from interference in the free play of the market, or to delegate the entire management of production and distribution to the government.
Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no middle way.”
Books / Digital Text





1.Government schooling functions via ‘Mushroom Management,” keep ‘em in the dark and feed ‘em manure. The result is that a large number of their graduates imagine that there is a difference between Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Progressivism. Polls show many such government school grads actually favor socialism over capitalism.

…..all six of ‘em fit these criterion: the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!



Liberals, in my experience, are fearful folks who need the bodyguard of big government because they are vulnerable, battered emotional hypochondriacs....they need to insure themselves against every societal misadventure that could occur. They call that 'empathy,' but it's actually neurosis. They have some sort of metaphorical bullet lodged near their heart, just waiting for a slight move which will end it all! Thus, the overwhelming feeling of incipient failure, and apprehension. And, recognizing their own weakness, they lash out at those willing to depend on themselves.

They need the god called government and they worship same.

you write the most ridiculous drivel.

I (we) do NOT worship the government.

I (we) do NOT believe the government can fix everything

(seriously....do you KNOW you are lying? is your brain defective?....what IS wrong with you?)

and we do NOT lash out at people who are "willing to depend on themselves"

When you say "liberals" you are painting with a BROAD BRUSH!

A conservative told me that when you do that you lose all credibility.

of course, I've read enough of your drivel to know that you never had any.

OMG!!!

An "is not, issssss nooootttttttt!!!" post from another imbecile unable to construct the sort of well documented posts that I author.


It is true that you thought Joan of Arc was Noah’s wife?

 

[PoliticalChic]

7. This, Mussolini’s motto, applies to all six forms of collectivism: Mussolini's formula, "Everything in the state, nothing against the state, nothing outside the state."

Any who try to pass off Socialism, Fascism, Communism, Nazism, and Liberalism as different from one another, is effectively lying.




“The only way in which “socialism of the Russian or Lenin pattern” (as Mises termed the more familiar variant of socialism) is distinct from the Zwangswirtschaft [which is basically German for “compulsory economy”] is in the nonessential fact it has no such veneer of faux-private ownership. Its socialism is simply more overt.


Another way of stating this is as follows. In the populist propaganda of Bolshevism, under “socialism of the Russian or Lenin pattern the people ostensibly own the state, and the state in turn owns the means of production. While, under the sham capitalism of Nazism and “socialism of the German or Hindenburg pattern,” the people ostensibly own the means of production, but the state in turn owns the people.




Thus these occupants of different political “poles” really occupy the same ground and are only separated by a trivial technically: the existence or absence of a sham market. Each variant of socialism does indeed have its own distinctive path. But it has nothing to do with “left vs. right,” “poor vs. rich,” or “weak vs. powerful.”

Interventionism, by subtly crippling the market and replacing it incrementally with a network of government diktats, leads to the sham market of socialism of the German or Hindenburg pattern.” https://mises.org/library/false-choices-and-true-dilemma






Bolshevik or Nazi socialism, communism, etc., and the more recent Liberalism and Progressivism, as well as Mussolini's version of statism.....are all the same doctrines of all-knowing and all-powerful state-worship doctrines.


The alternative is capitalism, and free markets, based on individualism. “… the perennial question of European civilization: the individual versus the state. “Man is not ordained to the body politic, according to all that he is and has,” Thomas Aquinas wrote; “and so it does not follow that every action of his acquires merit or demerit in relation to the body politic.” NYSun

 

[PoliticalChic]

Collectivism is an alien concept. It comes from Hegel and Marx, not from the Founders.




8. America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.” That is the basis of America’s founding, and the reason for its greatness.




9. “… the analogy of Lucifer versus God is parallel to the State versus the Individual. The collectivist state “fastens a huge, violent, lumbering state on the free market that drains its capital and productivity like a deadly parasite on a host.”[5] Government can only consume or destroy wealth, and as Ludwig von Mises astutely asserted, “State interference in economic life, which calls itself ‘economic policy’, has done nothing but destroy economic life.”
This is why American at its founding attached itself to God the Creator, not to the State.” Jim Huntzinger - Fascism Is Socialism: Here’s The Proof

Government schooling turns out automatons who worship the god called 'government.'




10. "It is a great irony of communism that those who did not believe in God believed that godlike knowledge could be concentrated at a central point. It was believed that government could be omnipotent and omniscient. And in order to justify the idea that all lives should be determined by a single plan, the concomitant tendency of communist regimes was to deify the leader- whether Lenin, Stalin, Mao, or Kim Il-sung."
Tom Bethell, "The Noblest Triumph," p. 144

 

[Moonglow]

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty and equal rights

 

[Moonglow]

There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Yes lets get rid of all judges like Tramp suggests and wants. We can become a one man Army, the army of Tramp.

Is it too much to ask that you be coherent?

JFC not you, again....

 

[Moonglow]

There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Most Muslims feel that freedom is a bad thing......because in Islamic societies....freedom creates extremism and violence.

Christianity has no shortage of rules and laws to adhere to.

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. Between the socialists of the Nazis, Mussolini’s Fascists, Roosevelt’s New Dealers….not even 6° of separation.


All mandated government regulated cartels.
Today's Liberals and Progressives institute the same via crony capitalism.



a. “Another early policy given high priority by the Nazi government was the organizing of all German businesses into cartels. The argument was that—in contrast to the disorderliness and egoism of free market capitalism—centralization and state control would increase efficiency and a sense of German unity. In July of 1933, membership in a cartel became compulsory for businesses, and by early 1934 the cartel structure was re-organized and placed firmly under the direction of the German government.”
Stephen Hicks, Ph.D. » Gemeinnutz geht vor Eigennutz




b. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)




c. In Germany, workers would become de factor citizens of their companies, in a relationship similar to Krupp’s General Regulations. “The Krupps feared the Social Democrats and to keep them out of their facilities, they used repression and a compensation package that many German workers found quite acceptable. If you worked for Krupp, your children were born in a Krupp hospital, educated in a Krupp school, played on a Krupp playground, etc. You shopped in a Krupp store. It was cradle-to-grave security of sorts. Women advertising for husbands would specify employees of Krupp.
Chapter Four: notes



d. "FDR’s policies were to the left of even Hoover’s. He established the National Recovery Administration. The bureaucracy created legal cartels that were forced to establish minimum prices and higher wages! This meant that there was a lack of competition in the economy, and prices remained high.” The Enduring Myths of Herbert Hoover Franklin D. Roosevelt and the New Deal TheCollegeConservative


Free markets???? Capitalism???? Hardly.
Individualism? Not a chance.

None of the above fits with American ideals and values.


Did they teach that in government school?

 

[mudwhistle]

There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Most Muslims feel that freedom is a bad thing......because in Islamic societies....freedom creates extremism and violence.

Christianity has no shortage of rules and laws to adhere to.

Yeah, and if you don't obey the prophet we will burn down your churches and businesses.

Doah!!!!!!

That’s just Muslims....... Lol.

Sorry!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. Whether one calls it Socialism, Liberalism, corporatism, statism, Progressivism, or Fascism, they all encourage growth of all industry under the thumb of government regulation and control.




Mussolini, known as a Fascist…but also a Socialist…and a favorite of the Communists of Russia, too.

“Before turning 30, Mussolini was elected to the National Executive Committee of the Socialist Party, and made editor of its daily paper, Avanti! Mussolini's election to the Executive was part of the capture of control of the Socialist Party by the hard-line Marxist left, ....The shift in Socialist Party control was greeted with delight by Lenin and other revolutionaries throughout the world.

From 1912 to 1914, Mussolini was the Che Guevara of his day, a living saint of leftism. Handsome, courageous, charismatic, an erudite Marxist,…. Two of those who collaborated with Mussolini on Utopia would go on to help found the Italian Communist Party and one to help found the German Communist Party. Others, with Mussolini, would found the Fascist movement.”
The Mystery of Fascism by David Ramsay Steele





13. Roosevelt took this program and saddled America with it….socialist, Fascist, crony capitalism, corporatism, the New Deal…..all same.

And very different from Americanism. None of the New Dealers were constitutionalists. Roosevelt's economist, Rexford Tugwell said: Any people who must be governed according to the written codes of an instrument which defines the spheres of individual and group, state and federal actions must expect to suffer from the constant maladjustment of progress. A life' which changes and a constitution for governance which does not must always raise questions which are difficult for solution."
Manly, “The Twenty Year Revolution,” p.63


Socialism, Communism, Nazism, Liberalism, Progressivism, and Fascism......different flavors of the same dessert. And not a very healthy dessert at that.