Worship Of Government: Distinctions Without A Difference

When there were no regulations or controls the corporations abused workers to include women and children. Overpriced merchandise because they had a monopoly over the trade of goods which is unfair and stagnates the economy.
 
One thing always left out of her diatribes of propaganda is the progressive Republicans which are the ones who started to regulate and control corporations in the US...
 
There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Yes lets get rid of all judges like Tramp suggests and wants. We can become a one man Army, the army of Tramp.
Is it too much to ask that you be coherent?

I'll make it easy for you.

Jesus would be a socialist.

Paul would be a fascist.
Jesus doesn't believe in government ownership of everything.
He was non-political.
 
Appears that this thread, a remedial for Liberals, Democrats, and government school grads in general, comes not a moment too soon!

Looks like a socialist/communist is gonna be the Democrat nominee.



"Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner
...surpassing his rivals in early fundraising and establishing himself as an indisputable front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination."
Bernie Sanders Finds Himself in a New Role as Front-Runner | RealClearPolitics



This pretty much covers the Democrat agenda:


"No Trump, No Wall, No USA at All'

 
I don't believe that at all. I think it's silly to put social, political and economic policies all under the same umbrella. Just because you're pro-choice doesn't necessarily mean you have to kiss up to mega rich corporations or support foreign interventionist wars that never end.
 
I don't believe that at all. I think it's silly to put social, political and economic policies all under the same umbrella. Just because you're pro-choice doesn't necessarily mean you have to kiss up to mega rich corporations or support foreign interventionist wars that never end.


"I don't believe that at all. "

You didn't link to any post, so it is difficult see what you are objecting to.

Please provide the post to which this is addressed.
 
14. Fascism “attempts to secure economic growth and prosperity by fusing a ‘partnership’ between business and the State, absorbing business into the State in this process.” While communism “[when] faced with existing institutions that threaten the power of the state – be they corporations, churches, the family, tradition – the Communist impulse is by and large to abolish them, while the fascist impulse is by and large to absorb them.” Jim Huntzinger - Fascism Is Socialism: Here’s The Proof



Whether it is via control of industry, or by absorbing industry, all collectivist governance does the same thing: end the free market, and capitalism.

cartel: a coalition or cooperative arrangement between political parties intended to promote a mutual interest.




And, speaking of cartels enforced on the American economy…..

FDR endeavored to re-create the corporatism of Benito Mussolini. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.

The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
Goldberg, “Liberal Fascism.”




"… established the National Recovery Administration. The bureaucracy created legal cartels that were forced to establish minimum prices and higher wages! This meant that there was a lack of competition in the economy, and prices remained high.

This, along with the prolonged unemployment due to artificially high wages, meant even more struggles for American citizens. In addition to these asinine economic interventions, FDR built on the already failed agricultural policies of Herbert Hoover. His American Agriculture Administration slaughtered six million pigs (I thought liberals were concerned for the hungry?) and destroyed ten million acres of cotton! This substantially slowed growth in agriculture.

In 1936, James E. Boyle of Cornell University argued that the AAA was responsible for the joblessness of at least two million Americans, mainly farmhands and sharecroppers. ....discouraging people from economic growth usually doesn’t lead to good employment figures."
The Enduring Myths of Herbert Hoover Franklin D. Roosevelt and the New Deal TheCollegeConservative




You may call it socialism, communism, fascism, the New Deal, or Liberalism, any distinctions between them does not represent a difference.

Government is omniscient, beneficent, omnipotent , and, sadly, eternal.....and to be worshiped.

Unless you believe in the America of our Founders.
 
There are two kinds of people:

1. People who need to be ruled, who are afraid of the responsibilities of citizenship and adulthood, perennial children who need their hands held, emotionally and intellectually weak.

2. Strong people who can take care of themselves.

Yes lets get rid of all judges like Tramp suggests and wants. We can become a one man Army, the army of Tramp.
Is it too much to ask that you be coherent?
JFC not you, again....
Yup. And there's nothing you can do about it.
 
I don't believe that at all. I think it's silly to put social, political and economic policies all under the same umbrella. Just because you're pro-choice doesn't necessarily mean you have to kiss up to mega rich corporations or support foreign interventionist wars that never end.


"I don't believe that at all. "

You didn't link to any post, so it is difficult see what you are objecting to.

Please provide the post to which this is addressed.

That there's only two choices. Capitalism or Socialism. That economic policies go hand in hand with certain moral and social beliefs. That just because you don't want to be a slave to global banks and multinational corporations means you want to be a slave of big daddy government. That collectivism is always bad and individualism is always good.

There has to be a middle ground.
 
There is the intervention and control via socialism, communism, fascism, Liberalism, or Progressivism.....

“The only way in which “socialism of the Russian or Lenin pattern” (as Mises termed the more familiar variant of socialism) is distinct from the Zwangswirtschaft [which is basically German for “compulsory economy”] is in the nonessential fact it has no such veneer of faux-private ownership.Its socialism is simply more overt.


Another way of stating this is as follows. In the populist propaganda of Bolshevism, under “socialism of the Russian or Lenin pattern the people ostensibly own the state, and the state in turn owns the means of production. While, under the sham capitalism of Nazism and “socialism of the German or Hindenburg pattern,” the people ostensibly own the means of production, but the state in turn owns the people.


Thus these occupants of different political “poles” really occupy the same ground and are only separated by a trivial technically: the existence or absence of a sham market. Each variant of socialism does indeed have its own distinctive path. But it has nothing to do with “left vs. right,” “poor vs. rich,” or “weak vs. powerful.”

Interventionism, by subtly crippling the market and replacing it incrementally with a network of government diktats, leads to the sham market of socialism of the German or Hindenburg pattern.” False Choices and the True Dilemma | Dan Sanchez





...or, there is the free market and capitalism:

The alternative is capitalism, and free markets, based on individualism. “… the perennial question of European civilization: the individual versus the state. “Man is not ordained to the body politic, according to all that he is and has,” Thomas Aquinas wrote; “and so it does not follow that every action of his acquires merit or demerit in relation to the body politic.” NYSun


In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!




The claims that there is a middle ground is only possible when capitalism is the main doctrine.
You see this in Scandinavia.....
The problem here is the equating socialist redistribution programs, with socialist economies. The Scandinavian nations are not socialist economies; Denmark has a freer economy than does the USA.
Higher tax rates to support the redistributionist part, but far less business regulation than America.


Here's why: The Left is less interested in creating wealth than in distributing it.
Capitalism creates wealth, all six of the Left's dogmas simply redistribute it.
And without creating the wealth, you cannot hand it out.
 
There are six forms of governance that require the bending of the knee and the neck to government.

These six are actually only a single way of governing, the collectivist way: Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism, believing that government knows best. All six forms of socialism are simple variations on a theme: the individual must be subverted to the collective.



The alternative is capitalism, and free markets, based on individualism. “… the perennial question of European civilization: the individual versus the state. “Man is not ordained to the body politic, according to all that he is and has,” Thomas Aquinas wrote; “and so it does not follow that every action of his acquires merit or demerit in relation to the body politic.” NYSun


There are only two choices:

“There is simply no other choice than this: either to abstain from interference in the free play of the market, or to delegate the entire management of production and distribution to the government.
Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no middle way.”
Books / Digital Text





1.Government schooling functions via ‘Mushroom Management,” keep ‘em in the dark and feed ‘em manure. The result is that a large number of their graduates imagine that there is a difference between Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Progressivism. Polls show many such government school grads actually favor socialism over capitalism.

…..all six of ‘em fit these criterion: the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!



Liberals, in my experience, are fearful folks who need the bodyguard of big government because they are vulnerable, battered emotional hypochondriacs....they need to insure themselves against every societal misadventure that could occur. They call that 'empathy,' but it's actually neurosis. They have some sort of metaphorical bullet lodged near their heart, just waiting for a slight move which will end it all! Thus, the overwhelming feeling of incipient failure, and apprehension. And, recognizing their own weakness, they lash out at those willing to depend on themselves.

They need the god called government and they worship same.
This is why the traditional right lost.

Collectivism is NOT a bad thing. It is human nature.

Your FAMILY is a collective. Your CHURCH is a collective.

People get crushed very easily as individuals no matter how strong they are. Individualism is stupid.
 
There are six forms of governance that require the bending of the knee and the neck to government.

These six are actually only a single way of governing, the collectivist way: Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism, believing that government knows best. All six forms of socialism are simple variations on a theme: the individual must be subverted to the collective.



The alternative is capitalism, and free markets, based on individualism. “… the perennial question of European civilization: the individual versus the state. “Man is not ordained to the body politic, according to all that he is and has,” Thomas Aquinas wrote; “and so it does not follow that every action of his acquires merit or demerit in relation to the body politic.” NYSun


There are only two choices:

“There is simply no other choice than this: either to abstain from interference in the free play of the market, or to delegate the entire management of production and distribution to the government.
Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no middle way.”
Books / Digital Text





1.Government schooling functions via ‘Mushroom Management,” keep ‘em in the dark and feed ‘em manure. The result is that a large number of their graduates imagine that there is a difference between Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Progressivism. Polls show many such government school grads actually favor socialism over capitalism.

…..all six of ‘em fit these criterion: the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!



Liberals, in my experience, are fearful folks who need the bodyguard of big government because they are vulnerable, battered emotional hypochondriacs....they need to insure themselves against every societal misadventure that could occur. They call that 'empathy,' but it's actually neurosis. They have some sort of metaphorical bullet lodged near their heart, just waiting for a slight move which will end it all! Thus, the overwhelming feeling of incipient failure, and apprehension. And, recognizing their own weakness, they lash out at those willing to depend on themselves.

They need the god called government and they worship same.
This is why the traditional right lost.

Collectivism is NOT a bad thing. It is human nature.

Your FAMILY is a collective. Your CHURCH is a collective.

People get crushed very easily as individuals no matter how strong they are. Individualism is stupid.



You couldn't be more wrong.
You could attempt to be, but you wouldn't be successful.


You've just endorsed slavery.
 
"Democrat Congresswoman “Offended by This Whole Conversation About Socialism”
Individuals who have lived elsewhere, suffered under actual tyranny, or who have a basic understanding of varying systems of government understand that socialism is a scourge and a system ripe for abuse by an inefficient bureaucracy.

Democratic Congresswoman Stephanie Murphy, the first Vietnamese American Congresswoman, had some harsh words for her Democrat colleagues last week.

The WaEx reported:

“I am offended by this whole conversation about socialism,” said Rep. Stephanie Murphy, D-Fla. “The idea that in the greatest democracy, the greatest capitalist system in the world, we’re having casual conversation about socialism, offends me.”

“It is the system that built us the greatest nation and the greatest economy in the world. Sure, we have to fix the inequities that exist in our system. We have to make sure everybody, no matter what zip code they’re born in, has a fair shot,” Murphy said. “But it is not the moment to undo the whole system and embrace something that Americans have spent blood and treasure fighting to save other countries from.”
Democrat Congresswoman "Offended by This Whole Conversation About Socialism"
 
The Government's Prayer
Our Government in D.C.,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy nanny state come
Thy mandate be done
On flyover country as it is in the coasts.
Give us this month our monthly check,
And audit us our trespasses,
As we file suit against those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into liberty,
But deliver us from ourselves.
For thine is the oligarchy,
And the power, and the glory,
Forever and ever.
Amen.



You're quite a poet, davey....

Coulter should add that to here barrage:

From the Amazon review of Godless, by Coulter…


Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. In Godless, Coulter throws open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident).

Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted.
And....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."

the Catechism: you didn't build that.....any success is just dumb luck

I know you guys love Paul don't you.

1 Tim

8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
------------------------------------------------

So women shouldn't be allowed to vote or hold public office,teach or have any input into how society operates. That sounds very Christian. Also sounds like Sharia Law! Christianity and Islam are not very far apart really are they. So all of you women should just shut up , Listen to your man no matter what, and have children to save your souls. ……….Okay ! :1peleas:


"Christianity and Islam are not very far apart really are they"


Are you nuts???

Both are mono theistic, both rose out of the same type of beliefs. The flood story, The Messiah , even the Characters in the Bible and Quran are strikingly similar. Both strive to control the minds, actions and finances of their followers, and both require of the believers to spread the beliefs to the world. Very far apart ? HMMMMMM! I'm not a fan! I like your posts though at least they are honest and thought provoking! :thankusmile: Religions are Cults nothing more nothing less just my opinion.
 
There are six forms of governance that require the bending of the knee and the neck to government.

These six are actually only a single way of governing, the collectivist way: Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism, believing that government knows best. All six forms of socialism are simple variations on a theme: the individual must be subverted to the collective.



The alternative is capitalism, and free markets, based on individualism. “… the perennial question of European civilization: the individual versus the state. “Man is not ordained to the body politic, according to all that he is and has,” Thomas Aquinas wrote; “and so it does not follow that every action of his acquires merit or demerit in relation to the body politic.” NYSun


There are only two choices:

“There is simply no other choice than this: either to abstain from interference in the free play of the market, or to delegate the entire management of production and distribution to the government.
Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no middle way.”
Books / Digital Text





1.Government schooling functions via ‘Mushroom Management,” keep ‘em in the dark and feed ‘em manure. The result is that a large number of their graduates imagine that there is a difference between Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Progressivism. Polls show many such government school grads actually favor socialism over capitalism.

…..all six of ‘em fit these criterion: the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!



Liberals, in my experience, are fearful folks who need the bodyguard of big government because they are vulnerable, battered emotional hypochondriacs....they need to insure themselves against every societal misadventure that could occur. They call that 'empathy,' but it's actually neurosis. They have some sort of metaphorical bullet lodged near their heart, just waiting for a slight move which will end it all! Thus, the overwhelming feeling of incipient failure, and apprehension. And, recognizing their own weakness, they lash out at those willing to depend on themselves.

They need the god called government and they worship same.
This is why the traditional right lost.

Collectivism is NOT a bad thing. It is human nature.

Your FAMILY is a collective. Your CHURCH is a collective.

People get crushed very easily as individuals no matter how strong they are. Individualism is stupid.



You couldn't be more wrong.
You could attempt to be, but you wouldn't be successful.


You've just endorsed slavery.
No I didn’t.

Individualists endorse slavery.

You want individuals to compete against groups, lose to those groups and then refuse to form their own groups when their well-being depends on it.

THAT is slavery.
 
The Government's Prayer
Our Government in D.C.,
Hallowed be thy name.
Thy nanny state come
Thy mandate be done
On flyover country as it is in the coasts.
Give us this month our monthly check,
And audit us our trespasses,
As we file suit against those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into liberty,
But deliver us from ourselves.
For thine is the oligarchy,
And the power, and the glory,
Forever and ever.
Amen.



You're quite a poet, davey....

Coulter should add that to here barrage:

From the Amazon review of Godless, by Coulter…


Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. In Godless, Coulter throws open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident).

Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted.
And....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."

the Catechism: you didn't build that.....any success is just dumb luck

I know you guys love Paul don't you.

1 Tim

8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes,10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
------------------------------------------------

So women shouldn't be allowed to vote or hold public office,teach or have any input into how society operates. That sounds very Christian. Also sounds like Sharia Law! Christianity and Islam are not very far apart really are they. So all of you women should just shut up , Listen to your man no matter what, and have children to save your souls. ……….Okay ! :1peleas:


"Christianity and Islam are not very far apart really are they"


Are you nuts???

Both are mono theistic, both rose out of the same type of beliefs. The flood story, The Messiah , even the Characters in the Bible and Quran are strikingly similar. Both strive to control the minds, actions and finances of their followers, and both require of the believers to spread the beliefs to the world. Very far apart ? HMMMMMM! I'm not a fan! I like your posts though at least they are honest and thought provoking! :thankusmile: Religions are Cults nothing more nothing less just my opinion.



And thank you.

I hope we find ourselves on another thread where I will provide a full response about those religions, and religion in general, but, as you can see, I have a specific agenda in this one.

Take care
 
There are six forms of governance that require the bending of the knee and the neck to government.

These six are actually only a single way of governing, the collectivist way: Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism and Progressivism, believing that government knows best. All six forms of socialism are simple variations on a theme: the individual must be subverted to the collective.



The alternative is capitalism, and free markets, based on individualism. “… the perennial question of European civilization: the individual versus the state. “Man is not ordained to the body politic, according to all that he is and has,” Thomas Aquinas wrote; “and so it does not follow that every action of his acquires merit or demerit in relation to the body politic.” NYSun


There are only two choices:

“There is simply no other choice than this: either to abstain from interference in the free play of the market, or to delegate the entire management of production and distribution to the government.
Either capitalism or socialism: there exists no middle way.”
Books / Digital Text





1.Government schooling functions via ‘Mushroom Management,” keep ‘em in the dark and feed ‘em manure. The result is that a large number of their graduates imagine that there is a difference between Liberalism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism and Progressivism. Polls show many such government school grads actually favor socialism over capitalism.

…..all six of ‘em fit these criterion: the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.

In the free market, every man, woman and child is scheming to find a better way to make a product or service that will make a fortune!



Liberals, in my experience, are fearful folks who need the bodyguard of big government because they are vulnerable, battered emotional hypochondriacs....they need to insure themselves against every societal misadventure that could occur. They call that 'empathy,' but it's actually neurosis. They have some sort of metaphorical bullet lodged near their heart, just waiting for a slight move which will end it all! Thus, the overwhelming feeling of incipient failure, and apprehension. And, recognizing their own weakness, they lash out at those willing to depend on themselves.

They need the god called government and they worship same.
This is why the traditional right lost.

Collectivism is NOT a bad thing. It is human nature.

Your FAMILY is a collective. Your CHURCH is a collective.

People get crushed very easily as individuals no matter how strong they are. Individualism is stupid.



You couldn't be more wrong.
You could attempt to be, but you wouldn't be successful.


You've just endorsed slavery.
No I didn’t.

Individualists endorse slavery.

You want individuals to compete against groups, lose to those groups and then refuse to form their own groups when their well-being depends on it.

THAT is slavery.

"Collectivism is NOT a bad thing. It is human nature."

Mull this over: if you were anywhere near correct, why was it necessary for the socialists/communists/fascists/Progressives to slaughter over 100 million men, women, and children in the last century to advance their views.




Clearly it is far, far, from 'human nature.'



In fact, the Left denies that there is a 'human nature.'
America was founded based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government. None of these are possible under Fascism, Socialism, or the New Deal. All six statist programs are based on an impossibility…. changing human nature.

But, they pretend they can do it. Mussolini wrote in his 1928 autobiography:

“The citizen in the Fascist State is no longer a selfish individual who has the anti-social right of rebelling against any law of the Collectivity. The Fascist State with its corporative conception puts men and their possibilities into productive work and interprets for them the duties they have to fulfill. “(p. 280)




The Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia


Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :

"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will" New Soviet man - Wikipedia



Progressives have a similar view: human nature is plastic; politics is a means of perfecting man!

In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html_____


That’s why they claim a man can become a woman and vice versa by simply wishing it.



Communism, National Socialism, Liberalism, Progressivism, Fascism.....all have a the central doctrine:
"....an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature...." Goldberg, LF
 

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