GOP effort to stop illegal immigrants being counted for House districts, Electoral College shot down in Senate

[JoeB131]

fuck off pervert,,

I am tired of hearing you defend the worst that humanity has to offer over americans,,

Naw, guy, I don't defend people like you at all..

DACA is bullshit. Send em all back, and they can come here under our rules.

It should be part of representation, and the way to fix it is an amendment limiting the census to citizens and legal permanent residents.

Nobody is getting sent back.

We only deport 400,000 a year vs. 1 million who come here.

 

[martybegan]

Naw, guy, I don't defend people like you at all..


Nobody is getting sent back.

We only deport 400,000 a year vs. 1 million who come here.

We can change that if we had the will to do it.

And the will keeps getting stronger every day.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Sooner or later things will have to be fixed. It's better it's done legally and Constitutionally than with pitchforks.

You are too old for pitchforks and torches, my friend.

 

[martybegan]

You are too old for pitchforks and torches, my friend.

The thing to be scared about normies is that while they may take a long time to be forced across the line, once they cross it, they usually don't go back until they are finished with what they were forced to do.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You are not forced to do anything, as you have democratically elected representatives to do and fix things.

Take it up with them.

 

[JoeB131]

We can change that if we had the will to do it.

And the will keeps getting stronger every day.

Not really.

The first time Americans see crying children in cages, attitudes will change, if it ever got that far.

 

[martybegan]

Not really.

The first time Americans see crying children in cages, attitudes will change, if it ever got that far.

We can set up nice comfy camps to keep them before we send them back.

And we saw cages, but they were during Obama, not Trump.

 

[JoeB131]

We can set up nice comfy camps to keep them before we send them back.

And we saw cages, but they were during Obama, not Trump.

Seems to me comfy camps for millions of people would be pretty expensive... especially since they can just come right back after you've deported them. Maybe bringing some friends with them next time.

 

[martybegan]

Seems to me comfy camps for millions of people would be pretty expensive... especially since they can just come right back after you've deported them. Maybe bringing some friends with them next time.

Less expensive than what we are doing now, and it would require a massive effort to secure the border at the same time.

And those camps would get smaller and smaller as more people got the message that they wouldn't be staying here long.

 

[JoeB131]

Less expensive than what we are doing now, and it would require a massive effort to secure the border at the same time.

And those camps would get smaller and smaller as more people got the message that they wouldn't be staying here long.

Again, works on the assumption that our machinery could work that fast.

There's a reason why we only deport 400,000 a year. The courts are already clogged up.

 

[AZrailwhale]

An effort by Senate Republicans to stop non-citizens, including illegal immigrants, from being counted on the census for the purposes of apportionment for House seats and the Electoral College was shot down later Friday after the measure failed to gain the support of a single Democrat.

Sen. Bill Hagerty, R-Tenn., moved to include an amendment, attached to the $460 billion spending package, that would require the Census Bureau to include a citizenship question in any future census, and then bar anyone who isn't a U.S. citizen from being counted for purposes of congressional district and Electoral College apportionment.
GOP effort to stop illegal immigrants being counted for House districts, Electoral College shot down in Senate | Fox News

The entire Democrat party is guilty of subversion. All illegals need to be deported. Build them rafts and drop them 100 miles off the coast.

This is no different than the slave states demanding that their slaves be counted for the census. That resulted in the three fifths compromise and cemented the south's control of the federal government until the late eighteen fifties when legal immigration finally overcame the numbers of slaves.

I would be in favor of amending the constitution so that only citizens are counted by the census for representation.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Except the Constitution makes no such distinction.


Okay, so you are saying that you are okay with immigrants as long as they bring something to the table.

Thanks to the demands of the SLAVE STATES. The free states didn't want slaves counted at all for representation since they couldn't vote.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Except the Constitution makes no such distinction.


Okay, so you are saying that you are okay with immigrants as long as they bring something to the table.

Not a single person on this board is against LEGAL IMMIGRATION. Legal immigrants are only allowed if they are a net benefit to the country.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Again, works on the assumption that our machinery could work that fast.

There's a reason why we only deport 400,000 a year. The courts are already clogged up.

That's because we use real courts. Immigration court should be a low-level official asking a couple of questions about asylum seekers. 1) did you cross another country's border to get to the USA. If yes- deny asylum request and expel with a criminal record. If no- were you in danger FROM YOUR GOVERNMENT? If yes, allow TEMPORARY asylum. If no, expel with a criminal record. Total time per case under five minutes. No lawyers allowed to cloud the simple process. The backlog could be cleared in a couple of years at most IF the faux asylum seekers actually showed up for their hearings. Most won't as they don't have a case for asylum under our laws. The ones that don't will have to be found, then harshly punished and expelled with no chance for return.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Marty the MAGA is lying again.

Yes, during the Trump administration, there were instances where children were held in detention facilities that were commonly referred to as “cages.” These facilities were part of the U.S. government’s response to the increase in undocumented immigrants, particularly families and unaccompanied minors, crossing the southern border. The use of these facilities sparked controversy and raised concerns about the treatment and conditions faced by these children.

It’s essential to note that the term “cages” is a colloquial description, and the actual structures were chain-link enclosures within larger detention centers. These facilities were primarily operated by the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

Here are some key points:

1. Background:
   • The practice of detaining undocumented immigrants, including children, predates the Trump administration. However, the issue gained significant attention during his presidency due to the “zero tolerance” policy implemented in 2018.
2. Zero Tolerance Policy:
   • In 2018, the Trump administration implemented a policy that aimed to prosecute all adults crossing the border illegally, including those seeking asylum.
   • As a result, parents were separated from their children upon apprehension. The children were placed in these chain-link enclosures while their parents faced legal proceedings.
3. Conditions and Controversy:
   • Reports emerged of overcrowded facilities, inadequate hygiene, and limited access to basic necessities such as food, water, and medical care.
   • Advocacy groups, lawmakers, and the public expressed outrage over the treatment of children in these facilities.
   • Images and videos showing children in these enclosures circulated widely, contributing to the controversy.
4. Legal Challenges and Reforms:
   • Several lawsuits were filed challenging the policy and conditions in these facilities.
   • In response to public pressure and legal challenges, the Trump administration eventually ended the “zero tolerance” policy and began reuniting families.
   • Subsequent administrations have also faced criticism for the continued use of similar facilities, emphasizing the ongoing complexities of immigration enforcement.

In summary, while the Trump administration did use chain-link enclosures to detain undocumented immigrant children, the term “cages” reflects the emotional impact and controversy surrounding this practice. The issue remains a contentious aspect of U.S. immigration policy and continues to be debated by policymakers, advocates, and the public .

 

[AZrailwhale]

Do you think that the electoral college of whacky Second Amendment would survive a constitutional convention?

Yes since most states are not blue. A new constitution would be far more conservative than the existing one with real teeth to use on people trying to subvert it.

 

[JoeB131]

Not a single person on this board is against LEGAL IMMIGRATION. Legal immigrants are only allowed if they are a net benefit to the country.

Okay, then make it easier for people to prove their worth, and we'll be fine.

When Grandpa B131 came here from Germany in 1925, he came here with his wife and son in tow, with the contents of a couple of steamer trunks. By 1929, he was a citizen and by 1940 (or sooner) he owned his own home.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes since most states are not blue. A new constitution would be far more conservative than the existing one with real teeth to use on people trying to subvert it.

don't be so sure...

 

[progressive hunter]

Naw, guy, I don't defend people like you at all..


Nobody is getting sent back.

We only deport 400,000 a year vs. 1 million who come here.

you can try and spin it all you want,, you know as well as the rest of us youre a liar,,

 

[White 6]

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