How dare the FBI look into meddling of an election

[hadit]

The entire fiasco was a made up scam.

Russia never interfered in the 2016 election? Really?

Russia did but not with Collusion with the Trump Campaign that you were lied to by the liberals in charge. As a matter of FACT it was the Hillary paid for Russian Dossier that was used for spying on a US citizen, as opposition research. You are such a stupid twit.

Mueller proved you were wrong. Do you know the difference between "collusion" and "conspiracy?"

No evidence of conspiracy, we know.

But collusion was proven. The acts occurred. There just was no formal agreement. The acts were immoral and unethical, because they accepted the help.

However, in the case of Flynn, he was paid money by Turkey to try and kidnap a guy living in Pennsylvania who was a citizen of the US but was a Turk. And the payment was also made to Flynn to create news that Clinton was involved in a terrorist plot with the guy in Pennsylvania. That's an agreement to collude with a foreign government, and he got paid to damage Clinton politically with a made up story. That is a conspiracy. DOJ surprises with omissions in response to Flynn document order

You'd better let Pelosi know that random internet keyboard jockeys are finding stuff she missed. And Mueller. You know, the guy who wrote the report and said he couldn't prove conspiracy.

 

[hadit]

DOJ surprises with omissions in response to Flynn document order Even if this were fictional , it would be hard to take seriously as a fictional movie for example. And yet, it really happened. The fact that Trump supporters were duped into the biggest con game in US history ought to tell the country just how far off the rails this country has gone, and how vulnerable and naive we are. A third of the country was conned like no other con, and yet, they still never cared. Everything that went bad in an election went bad, and Trump supporters ignored all of it. Trump literally could have said I actually did murder people on Fifth Avenue and they would have been okay with it.

But, to address the thread, we have to highlight this monologue to truly appreciate just how sinister the Trump campaign was.

First, and during the campaign, we have Paul Manafort getting a loan in Chicago, bribing the head of the bank for $16 million dollars, and in return, the banker would be secretary of the army. But low and behold, it was revealed that Manafort had ties to Russia and Ukraine and was let go from the campaign, but still had an agreement with the banker. Lol! You really can't make this shit up. Needless to say, Trump had to have known about it.

Secondly, and this is even better, Mike Flynn was cutting deals with Turkey for money to change the Republican platform towards Ukraine , and while doing that, Trump supporters are cheering for something they had no idea what they were cheering for. What a bunch of dupes. And then, Flynn was hired to kidnap and write damaging reports about a guy in Pennsylvania who was from Turkey, but living in the US, who they wanted back in their country, but that fell through. In addition, they wanted to try and tie this Turkish guy who was a US citizen, by getting Flynn to tie him with Clinton and international terrorism. Flynn was accepting money from Ukraine to damage the Clinton campaign. And by the way, that is a conspiracy to collude with a foreign government against your political opponent. Which is why prosecutors have refused to hand over all transcripts pertaining to Flynn and those communications he had with Ukraine.

And here's the most insane part of all this. Bill Barr wants to investigate the FBI as to how and why the FBI was investigating these people. A man or woman would have to be either retarded beyond description, or a bald faced liar to believe Bill Barr was actually concerned that the FBI had done inappropriate spying on the campaign. Are you friggin kidding me? We had a massive amount of activity, where people in the Trump organization were colluding and conspiring with foreign governments, the likes this country has never seen before to gain favors and to help get Trump elected.

This is to Bill Barr; please do not insult our intelligence any longer with manufactured investigations, investigating the very people who exposed massive corruption within the Trump organization and campaign with their heroic work spying on Russia and Ukraine. How dare the FBI look at all that right? Folks, you just can't make this shit up.

The problem was that the intelligence community and the FBI ,one, did not have any good predication for starting this investigation. The dossier was bullshit.

Two, this spying was done without the knowledge of Donald J. Trump. If there was someone in his campaign who was a Russian Spy, he should have been notified.

My OP gave multiple reasons and justifications for the FISA warrants. All of that has been explained in detail, and no Trump Toad has been able to debunk that information. You all are losers who keep repeating the same tired argument without arguing points, and you all look like the chicken with the head cut off doing it. Repeat the same lies over and over, and they're still the same lies.


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DOJ surprises with omissions in response to Flynn document order Even if this were fictional , it would be hard to take seriously as a fictional movie for example. And yet, it really happened. The fact that Trump supporters were duped into the biggest con game in US history ought to tell the country just how far off the rails this country has gone, and how vulnerable and naive we are. A third of the country was conned like no other con, and yet, they still never cared. Everything that went bad in an election went bad, and Trump supporters ignored all of it. Trump literally could have said I actually did murder people on Fifth Avenue and they would have been okay with it.

But, to address the thread, we have to highlight this monologue to truly appreciate just how sinister the Trump campaign was.

First, and during the campaign, we have Paul Manafort getting a loan in Chicago, bribing the head of the bank for $16 million dollars, and in return, the banker would be secretary of the army. But low and behold, it was revealed that Manafort had ties to Russia and Ukraine and was let go from the campaign, but still had an agreement with the banker. Lol! You really can't make this shit up. Needless to say, Trump had to have known about it.

Secondly, and this is even better, Mike Flynn was cutting deals with Ukraine for money to change the Republican platform towards Ukraine, and while doing that, Trump supporters are cheering for something they had no idea what they were cheering for. What a bunch of dupes. And then, Flynn was hired to kidnap and write damaging reports about a guy in Pennsylvania who was from Turkey, but living in the US, who they wanted back in their country, but that fell through. In addition, they wanted to try and tie this Turkish guy who was a US citizen, by getting Flynn to tie him with Clinton and international terrorism. Flynn was accepting money from Ukraine to damage the Clinton campaign. And by the way, that is a conspiracy to collude with a foreign government against your political opponent. Which is why prosecutors have refused to hand over all transcripts pertaining to Flynn and those communications he had with Ukraine.

And here's the most insane part of all this. Bill Barr wants to investigate the FBI as to how and why the FBI was investigating these people. A man or woman would have to be either retarded beyond description, or a bald faced liar to believe Bill Barr was actually concerned that the FBI had done inappropriate spying on the campaign. Are you friggin kidding me? We had a massive amount of activity, where people in the Trump organization were colluding and conspiring with foreign governments, the likes this country has never seen before to gain favors and to help get Trump elected.

This is to Bill Barr; please do not insult our intelligence any longer with manufactured investigations, investigating the very people who exposed massive corruption within the Trump organization and campaign with their heroic work spying on Russia and Ukraine. How dare the FBI look at all that right? Folks, you just can't make this shit up.

My OP gave multiple reasons and justifications for the FISA warrants.

The FISA warrants where they lied about the dossier being confirmed?

That's exactly the point. If FBI personnel signed off on a FISA application saying that the dossier was confirmed- yet it wasn't- that's a crime. Perjury. Obstruction. Submitting phony documents and lying to a court.

People would need to go to prison for a long time, because it is so damaging to our democracy.

The FISA Court is a secret court where the subjects to the FISA warrants are not given a chance to defend themselves. That's why it is so critically important that no lying be tolerated.

Damn you people are ignorant as hell. They didn't sign off on FISA because of the Dossier. Do you folks ever research anything? The FBI confirmed parts of the Dossier much later when McCain turned it in to the FBI. The confirmation of parts of the Dossier that they looked into came much later.

IOW, you're admitting that they lied when they said it was verified. That's a problem.

 

[SavannahMann]

There are a couple things you should think about. First, is the Fourth Amendment. Under that amendment, you and I and everyone in this nation is protected from police abuses like illegal searches. In order to overcome that protection, the police must get a warrant. However, there are conditions stated in that Amendment. The Warrant can be issued by a Judge, but only after the facts are laid out showing probable cause, sworn to be true by the Cops, and usually Prosecutors.

In this case, the warrant that caught these baddies, was illegal. It was based upon the Discredited Steel Dossier. Now, here is where we get into the bad end of the pool. The FBI, and DOJ knew the Steel Dossier was not true when they used it for the FISA warrant. That is illegal. That is not just abuse of office, legal malpractice in the lawyers, but Perjury. Three felonies that are obvious to anyone. FBI's Steele story falls apart: False intel and media contacts were flagged before FISA

Now, the way the system is supposed to work is all that evidence gained by the illegal activity should be thrown out as inadmissible. It was gained by illegal means. However, this is the Modern World, where the Rights outlined in the Constitution are hurdles to get around, not complied with. The evidence used to be caused fruit of the poisoned tree.

But even if you admit the evidence, you must also in the interest of Justice, assuming you have any interest in Justice, prosecute those who broke the law to get it. Only we don’t seem to care about the cops breaking the law, or the DOJ.

Obama, in one of the reasons I agreed with him, and voted for him, correctly stated that the Constitution said what the Government could not do to you. That is the whole point of the Bill of Rights. The Government shall not infringe on those rights. It shall not commit these actions.

You seem to be saying these actions are just fine, so long as they get the guilty in your opinion. The ends do not, and never have, justified the means. A Navy Seal is currently awaiting trial, ordered by the judge to be released from Pre Trial confinement. The reason? The Prosecutors started to investigate the Defense Attorneys, including monitoring their communications, and seriously hampering their ability to provide a defense. I do not condone what the SEAL is accused of. Many counts of murder. I believe he should be tried, and upon conviction, sentenced to many years in prison. The ends never justify the means however. I believe because of the Prosecutorial Misconduct, that they must drop the charges on the SEAL. A travesty of Justice? Yes, and no.

The Government must follow the rules. The Courts must hold the Prosecutors to account, and the cops must be punished without any consideration of their many years of service, for breaking those rules. It is the only way we have anything remotely considered a just and fair system.

So the Government broke the law, Flynn was a bad guy, and deserved it. But who else deserves it? I mean, if we stand by our rules, our laws always, then there is less chance it will be done in the future. But if we decide to let it slide because the baddie really deserved it, who else will really deserve it? Then you can explain the difference between our nation, and one of those third world dictatorships where the Constitution is written in pencil. Because enforcing those rules, those Constitutional Protections, should be the passionate desire of every single citizen, no matter who the accused is.

We can always think of a reason to ignore them. The biggest reason to enforce them without exception, is because we want our Children to grow up in a world where we can at least tell them that the rules matter, and they will be enforced always.

The only way to celebrate the baddies of the Trump Admin getting their just desserts, is if you detest the Constitution applying to everyone. And I for one, have always voted for the candidate I honestly believed would stand sentinel against anyone infringing on those rights. Up until 2016, that had always been the Democratic Party. It’s sad to see the party abandon their dedication to defending those rights, all to get the other guys.

There is no such thing as a "discredited Steele Dossier." The FBI attests to its validity concerning the parts it investigated. You are a liar.

Well. We do know. Look at page 33 of the Mueller report. Every claim of collusion is covered and dismissed. Now, if that does not discredit the report in your mind, then you have successfully isolated yourself from reality.

Yeah. I can quote page numbers for the report.

So if I am lying, there are a lot of folks lying too. Like Bob Woodward.

Bob Woodward: Role Of Steele Dossier In Russia Probe Is "Highly Questionable," "Needs To Be Investigated"

You were saying? Better yet. What page of the Mueller Report confirms the dossier?

I read page 33 as well. There is nothing in there that said collusion didn't occur. As a matter of fact,there is no page that says that. You are a liar. What was said about collusion was the fact they could not establish a conspiracy to collude. Do you know the difference between the Trump campaign colluding with the Russians and a conspiracy to collude with the Russians? I'll be waiting for your answer and a full explanation. If I don't receive it, you are not only a liar you are fos.

The contact with Russians were listed. It consisted of Trump retweeting things put out by people. And with people requesting campaign signs. If that is your definition of collusion, than we are all headed to jail. Dolt.

Conspiracy to collude? Are you joking? Junior called Wikileaks to find out what they had. So did every single reporter. We’re they all conspiring to collude? Idiot.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

As a government employee, the "Hatch Act" was created to keep partisan politics out of the government where people who are supposed to be public servants under the executive branch cant show their political influence. But thanks to Oblammer, when Lois "the crooked: Lerner decided to weaponize the IRS against conservative organizations, the flood gates were opened. You fuckers on the left would be screaming bloody murder if President Trump decided to do the same. Shame on you retards for allowing this shit to happen...

If you believe that then why are guys so silent on Barr, he is acting as Trump's personal attorney instead of the USAG.

 

[Polishprince]

As a government employee, the "Hatch Act" was created to keep partisan politics out of the government where people who are supposed to be public servants under the executive branch cant show their political influence. But thanks to Oblammer, when Lois "the crooked: Lerner decided to weaponize the IRS against conservative organizations, the flood gates were opened. You fuckers on the left would be screaming bloody murder if President Trump decided to do the same. Shame on you retards for allowing this shit to happen...

If you believe that then why are guys so silent on Barr, he is acting as Trump's personal attorney instead of the USAG.

Rudolph Giuliani ins President Trump's personal attorney. Mr. Barr is merely acting as the President's Wing Man, the proper role of an AG.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

As a government employee, the "Hatch Act" was created to keep partisan politics out of the government where people who are supposed to be public servants under the executive branch cant show their political influence. But thanks to Oblammer, when Lois "the crooked: Lerner decided to weaponize the IRS against conservative organizations, the flood gates were opened. You fuckers on the left would be screaming bloody murder if President Trump decided to do the same. Shame on you retards for allowing this shit to happen...

If you believe that then why are guys so silent on Barr, he is acting as Trump's personal attorney instead of the USAG.

Rudolph Giuliani ins President Trump's personal attorney. Mr. Barr is merely acting as the President's Wing Man, the proper role of an AG.

It's not the AG's role to cover for the president's misdeeds

 

[Polishprince]

As a government employee, the "Hatch Act" was created to keep partisan politics out of the government where people who are supposed to be public servants under the executive branch cant show their political influence. But thanks to Oblammer, when Lois "the crooked: Lerner decided to weaponize the IRS against conservative organizations, the flood gates were opened. You fuckers on the left would be screaming bloody murder if President Trump decided to do the same. Shame on you retards for allowing this shit to happen...

If you believe that then why are guys so silent on Barr, he is acting as Trump's personal attorney instead of the USAG.

Rudolph Giuliani ins President Trump's personal attorney. Mr. Barr is merely acting as the President's Wing Man, the proper role of an AG.

It's not the AG's role to cover for the president's misdeeds

No it is not. But it is his job to act as the President's Wing Man. That was established during the Obama Regime.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

As a government employee, the "Hatch Act" was created to keep partisan politics out of the government where people who are supposed to be public servants under the executive branch cant show their political influence. But thanks to Oblammer, when Lois "the crooked: Lerner decided to weaponize the IRS against conservative organizations, the flood gates were opened. You fuckers on the left would be screaming bloody murder if President Trump decided to do the same. Shame on you retards for allowing this shit to happen...

If you believe that then why are guys so silent on Barr, he is acting as Trump's personal attorney instead of the USAG.

Rudolph Giuliani ins President Trump's personal attorney. Mr. Barr is merely acting as the President's Wing Man, the proper role of an AG.

It's not the AG's role to cover for the president's misdeeds

No it is not. But it is his job to act as the President's Wing Man. That was established during the Obama Regime.

It always comes back to Pres. Obama, it's not the AG's job to cover up criminality by the POTUS.

 

[BWK]

Russia never interfered in the 2016 election? Really?

Russia did but not with Collusion with the Trump Campaign that you were lied to by the liberals in charge. As a matter of FACT it was the Hillary paid for Russian Dossier that was used for spying on a US citizen, as opposition research. You are such a stupid twit.

Mueller proved you were wrong. Do you know the difference between "collusion" and "conspiracy?"

No evidence of conspiracy, we know.

But collusion was proven. The acts occurred. There just was no formal agreement. The acts were immoral and unethical, because they accepted the help.

However, in the case of Flynn, he was paid money by Turkey to try and kidnap a guy living in Pennsylvania who was a citizen of the US but was a Turk. And the payment was also made to Flynn to create news that Clinton was involved in a terrorist plot with the guy in Pennsylvania. That's an agreement to collude with a foreign government, and he got paid to damage Clinton politically with a made up story. That is a conspiracy. DOJ surprises with omissions in response to Flynn document order

You'd better let Pelosi know that random internet keyboard jockeys are finding stuff she missed. And Mueller. You know, the guy who wrote the report and said he couldn't prove conspiracy.

You don't need a conspiracy to convict. We have obstruction. However, with Flynn getting paid money by Turkey to write up false stories about Clinton and some Turkish guy who defected to the US to be a citizen, then trying to tie Clinton to this Turkish guy living in the states, trying to tie the two to international terrorism, that actually is a conspiracy tied to a foreign adversary in a US election. And why are the prosecutors refusing to turn over the transcripts? Take a wild guess? This new information just unlocked another door into a coordinated conspiracy between team Trump and Turkey to influence the election with a false story that Flynn got paid for. "WITH MONEY!"

 

[BWK]

As a government employee, the "Hatch Act" was created to keep partisan politics out of the government where people who are supposed to be public servants under the executive branch cant show their political influence. But thanks to Oblammer, when Lois "the crooked: Lerner decided to weaponize the IRS against conservative organizations, the flood gates were opened. You fuckers on the left would be screaming bloody murder if President Trump decided to do the same. Shame on you retards for allowing this shit to happen...

If you believe that then why are guys so silent on Barr, he is acting as Trump's personal attorney instead of the USAG.

Rudolph Giuliani ins President Trump's personal attorney. Mr. Barr is merely acting as the President's Wing Man, the proper role of an AG.

It's not the AG's role to cover for the president's misdeeds

No it is not. But it is his job to act as the President's Wing Man. That was established during the Obama Regime.

Says who?

 

[BWK]

As a government employee, the "Hatch Act" was created to keep partisan politics out of the government where people who are supposed to be public servants under the executive branch cant show their political influence. But thanks to Oblammer, when Lois "the crooked: Lerner decided to weaponize the IRS against conservative organizations, the flood gates were opened. You fuckers on the left would be screaming bloody murder if President Trump decided to do the same. Shame on you retards for allowing this shit to happen...

If you believe that then why are guys so silent on Barr, he is acting as Trump's personal attorney instead of the USAG.

Rudolph Giuliani ins President Trump's personal attorney. Mr. Barr is merely acting as the President's Wing Man, the proper role of an AG.

Wrong! Not his job.

 

[BWK]

There are a couple things you should think about. First, is the Fourth Amendment. Under that amendment, you and I and everyone in this nation is protected from police abuses like illegal searches. In order to overcome that protection, the police must get a warrant. However, there are conditions stated in that Amendment. The Warrant can be issued by a Judge, but only after the facts are laid out showing probable cause, sworn to be true by the Cops, and usually Prosecutors.

In this case, the warrant that caught these baddies, was illegal. It was based upon the Discredited Steel Dossier. Now, here is where we get into the bad end of the pool. The FBI, and DOJ knew the Steel Dossier was not true when they used it for the FISA warrant. That is illegal. That is not just abuse of office, legal malpractice in the lawyers, but Perjury. Three felonies that are obvious to anyone. FBI's Steele story falls apart: False intel and media contacts were flagged before FISA

Now, the way the system is supposed to work is all that evidence gained by the illegal activity should be thrown out as inadmissible. It was gained by illegal means. However, this is the Modern World, where the Rights outlined in the Constitution are hurdles to get around, not complied with. The evidence used to be caused fruit of the poisoned tree.

But even if you admit the evidence, you must also in the interest of Justice, assuming you have any interest in Justice, prosecute those who broke the law to get it. Only we don’t seem to care about the cops breaking the law, or the DOJ.

Obama, in one of the reasons I agreed with him, and voted for him, correctly stated that the Constitution said what the Government could not do to you. That is the whole point of the Bill of Rights. The Government shall not infringe on those rights. It shall not commit these actions.

You seem to be saying these actions are just fine, so long as they get the guilty in your opinion. The ends do not, and never have, justified the means. A Navy Seal is currently awaiting trial, ordered by the judge to be released from Pre Trial confinement. The reason? The Prosecutors started to investigate the Defense Attorneys, including monitoring their communications, and seriously hampering their ability to provide a defense. I do not condone what the SEAL is accused of. Many counts of murder. I believe he should be tried, and upon conviction, sentenced to many years in prison. The ends never justify the means however. I believe because of the Prosecutorial Misconduct, that they must drop the charges on the SEAL. A travesty of Justice? Yes, and no.

The Government must follow the rules. The Courts must hold the Prosecutors to account, and the cops must be punished without any consideration of their many years of service, for breaking those rules. It is the only way we have anything remotely considered a just and fair system.

So the Government broke the law, Flynn was a bad guy, and deserved it. But who else deserves it? I mean, if we stand by our rules, our laws always, then there is less chance it will be done in the future. But if we decide to let it slide because the baddie really deserved it, who else will really deserve it? Then you can explain the difference between our nation, and one of those third world dictatorships where the Constitution is written in pencil. Because enforcing those rules, those Constitutional Protections, should be the passionate desire of every single citizen, no matter who the accused is.

We can always think of a reason to ignore them. The biggest reason to enforce them without exception, is because we want our Children to grow up in a world where we can at least tell them that the rules matter, and they will be enforced always.

The only way to celebrate the baddies of the Trump Admin getting their just desserts, is if you detest the Constitution applying to everyone. And I for one, have always voted for the candidate I honestly believed would stand sentinel against anyone infringing on those rights. Up until 2016, that had always been the Democratic Party. It’s sad to see the party abandon their dedication to defending those rights, all to get the other guys.

There is no such thing as a "discredited Steele Dossier." The FBI attests to its validity concerning the parts it investigated. You are a liar.

Well. We do know. Look at page 33 of the Mueller report. Every claim of collusion is covered and dismissed. Now, if that does not discredit the report in your mind, then you have successfully isolated yourself from reality.

Yeah. I can quote page numbers for the report.

So if I am lying, there are a lot of folks lying too. Like Bob Woodward.

Bob Woodward: Role Of Steele Dossier In Russia Probe Is "Highly Questionable," "Needs To Be Investigated"

You were saying? Better yet. What page of the Mueller Report confirms the dossier?

I read page 33 as well. There is nothing in there that said collusion didn't occur. As a matter of fact,there is no page that says that. You are a liar. What was said about collusion was the fact they could not establish a conspiracy to collude. Do you know the difference between the Trump campaign colluding with the Russians and a conspiracy to collude with the Russians? I'll be waiting for your answer and a full explanation. If I don't receive it, you are not only a liar you are fos.

The contact with Russians were listed. It consisted of Trump retweeting things put out by people. And with people requesting campaign signs. If that is your definition of collusion, than we are all headed to jail. Dolt.

Conspiracy to collude? Are you joking? Junior called Wikileaks to find out what they had. So did every single reporter. We’re they all conspiring to collude? Idiot.

Not making sense is one way to look stupid, and another way to be a coward. Obviously you accomplished both.

 

[skookerasbil]

Hmmmm......

Well we've been promised 50 times in the past two years....by every swinging dick progressive....that Trump was going to jail....

After Flynn.....after Clapper.....after Kushner...after Manifort.....after Rosenstein.....after Stone......after Cohen.....after Comey.....many others Im forgetting

Still batting 0.00.....yuk....yuk.....

I will give progressives credit for resiliency, but I guess the ? becomes, why? Why when you spend every day like this....

I mean, c'mon now..... I would say it is time to find another hobby. At least find a hobby where you would win every so often

 

[Polishprince]

As a government employee, the "Hatch Act" was created to keep partisan politics out of the government where people who are supposed to be public servants under the executive branch cant show their political influence. But thanks to Oblammer, when Lois "the crooked: Lerner decided to weaponize the IRS against conservative organizations, the flood gates were opened. You fuckers on the left would be screaming bloody murder if President Trump decided to do the same. Shame on you retards for allowing this shit to happen...

If you believe that then why are guys so silent on Barr, he is acting as Trump's personal attorney instead of the USAG.

Rudolph Giuliani ins President Trump's personal attorney. Mr. Barr is merely acting as the President's Wing Man, the proper role of an AG.

It's not the AG's role to cover for the president's misdeeds

No it is not. But it is his job to act as the President's Wing Man. That was established during the Obama Regime.

Says who?

Says highly respected Liberal leader Eric Holder.

Eric Holder: 'I'm still the president's wingman'

 

[BWK]

The problem was that the intelligence community and the FBI ,one, did not have any good predication for starting this investigation. The dossier was bullshit.

Two, this spying was done without the knowledge of Donald J. Trump. If there was someone in his campaign who was a Russian Spy, he should have been notified.

My OP gave multiple reasons and justifications for the FISA warrants. All of that has been explained in detail, and no Trump Toad has been able to debunk that information. You all are losers who keep repeating the same tired argument without arguing points, and you all look like the chicken with the head cut off doing it. Repeat the same lies over and over, and they're still the same lies.


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DOJ surprises with omissions in response to Flynn document order Even if this were fictional , it would be hard to take seriously as a fictional movie for example. And yet, it really happened. The fact that Trump supporters were duped into the biggest con game in US history ought to tell the country just how far off the rails this country has gone, and how vulnerable and naive we are. A third of the country was conned like no other con, and yet, they still never cared. Everything that went bad in an election went bad, and Trump supporters ignored all of it. Trump literally could have said I actually did murder people on Fifth Avenue and they would have been okay with it.

But, to address the thread, we have to highlight this monologue to truly appreciate just how sinister the Trump campaign was.

First, and during the campaign, we have Paul Manafort getting a loan in Chicago, bribing the head of the bank for $16 million dollars, and in return, the banker would be secretary of the army. But low and behold, it was revealed that Manafort had ties to Russia and Ukraine and was let go from the campaign, but still had an agreement with the banker. Lol! You really can't make this shit up. Needless to say, Trump had to have known about it.

Secondly, and this is even better, Mike Flynn was cutting deals with Ukraine for money to change the Republican platform towards Ukraine, and while doing that, Trump supporters are cheering for something they had no idea what they were cheering for. What a bunch of dupes. And then, Flynn was hired to kidnap and write damaging reports about a guy in Pennsylvania who was from Turkey, but living in the US, who they wanted back in their country, but that fell through. In addition, they wanted to try and tie this Turkish guy who was a US citizen, by getting Flynn to tie him with Clinton and international terrorism. Flynn was accepting money from Ukraine to damage the Clinton campaign. And by the way, that is a conspiracy to collude with a foreign government against your political opponent. Which is why prosecutors have refused to hand over all transcripts pertaining to Flynn and those communications he had with Ukraine.

And here's the most insane part of all this. Bill Barr wants to investigate the FBI as to how and why the FBI was investigating these people. A man or woman would have to be either retarded beyond description, or a bald faced liar to believe Bill Barr was actually concerned that the FBI had done inappropriate spying on the campaign. Are you friggin kidding me? We had a massive amount of activity, where people in the Trump organization were colluding and conspiring with foreign governments, the likes this country has never seen before to gain favors and to help get Trump elected.

This is to Bill Barr; please do not insult our intelligence any longer with manufactured investigations, investigating the very people who exposed massive corruption within the Trump organization and campaign with their heroic work spying on Russia and Ukraine. How dare the FBI look at all that right? Folks, you just can't make this shit up.

My OP gave multiple reasons and justifications for the FISA warrants.

The FISA warrants where they lied about the dossier being confirmed?

That's exactly the point. If FBI personnel signed off on a FISA application saying that the dossier was confirmed- yet it wasn't- that's a crime. Perjury. Obstruction. Submitting phony documents and lying to a court.

People would need to go to prison for a long time, because it is so damaging to our democracy.

The FISA Court is a secret court where the subjects to the FISA warrants are not given a chance to defend themselves. That's why it is so critically important that no lying be tolerated.

Damn you people are ignorant as hell. They didn't sign off on FISA because of the Dossier. Do you folks ever research anything? The FBI confirmed parts of the Dossier much later when McCain turned it in to the FBI. The confirmation of parts of the Dossier that they looked into came much later.

IOW, you're admitting that they lied when they said it was verified. That's a problem.

I've maintained the whole time that parts of it were verified. I don't know what you are talking about; Revisiting the Trump-Russia dossier: What's right, wrong and still unclear? - CNNPolitics

 

[BWK]

If you believe that then why are guys so silent on Barr, he is acting as Trump's personal attorney instead of the USAG.

Rudolph Giuliani ins President Trump's personal attorney. Mr. Barr is merely acting as the President's Wing Man, the proper role of an AG.

It's not the AG's role to cover for the president's misdeeds

No it is not. But it is his job to act as the President's Wing Man. That was established during the Obama Regime.

Says who?

Says highly respected Liberal leader Eric Holder.

Eric Holder: 'I'm still the president's wingman'

Lol! You're using a figure of speech. He isn't 'literally" a "wing man" to protect Obama. You folks are too funny. And besides, why would you want that anyway? It isn't their job. The AG is so supposed to be protecting us, not the executive.

 

[Polishprince]

Rudolph Giuliani ins President Trump's personal attorney. Mr. Barr is merely acting as the President's Wing Man, the proper role of an AG.

It's not the AG's role to cover for the president's misdeeds

No it is not. But it is his job to act as the President's Wing Man. That was established during the Obama Regime.

Says who?

Says highly respected Liberal leader Eric Holder.

Eric Holder: 'I'm still the president's wingman'

Lol! You're using a figure of speech. He isn't 'literally" a "wing man" to protect Obama. You folks are too funny. And besides, why would you want that anyway? It isn't their job. The AG is so supposed to be protecting us, not the executive.

You can say it was a "figure of speech" if you like BWK.

But the facts are that Mr. Holder was HANDPICKED by B. Hussein O for the job. That's a real problem, IMHO, when an AG is actually picked in that way, handpicked.

 

[BWK]

Hmmmm......

Well we've been promised 50 times in the past two years....by every swinging dick progressive....that Trump was going to jail....

After Flynn.....after Clapper.....after Kushner...after Manifort.....after Rosenstein.....after Stone......after Cohen.....after Comey.....many others Im forgetting

Still batting 0.00.....yuk....yuk.....

I will give progressives credit for resiliency, but I guess the ? becomes, why? Why when you spend every day like this....

I mean, c'mon now..... I would say it is time to find another hobby. At least find a hobby where you would win every so often

Progressives are winning. Obstruction, Collusion, and campaign finance violations were proven. And just recently, a conspiracy to collude with Turkey by the Trump campaign was uncovered.

 

[BWK]

It's not the AG's role to cover for the president's misdeeds

No it is not. But it is his job to act as the President's Wing Man. That was established during the Obama Regime.

Says who?

Says highly respected Liberal leader Eric Holder.

Eric Holder: 'I'm still the president's wingman'

Lol! You're using a figure of speech. He isn't 'literally" a "wing man" to protect Obama. You folks are too funny. And besides, why would you want that anyway? It isn't their job. The AG is so supposed to be protecting us, not the executive.

You can say it was a "figure of speech" if you like BWK.

But the facts are that Mr. Holder was HANDPICKED by B. Hussein O for the job. That's a real problem, IMHO, when an AG is actually picked in that way, handpicked.

And Barr wasn't?

 

[Polishprince]

Hmmmm......

Well we've been promised 50 times in the past two years....by every swinging dick progressive....that Trump was going to jail....

After Flynn.....after Clapper.....after Kushner...after Manifort.....after Rosenstein.....after Stone......after Cohen.....after Comey.....many others Im forgetting

Still batting 0.00.....yuk....yuk.....

I will give progressives credit for resiliency, but I guess the ? becomes, why? Why when you spend every day like this....

I mean, c'mon now..... I would say it is time to find another hobby. At least find a hobby where you would win every so often

Progressives are winning. Obstruction, Collusion, and campaign finance violations were proven. And just recently, a conspiracy to collude with Turkey by the Trump campaign was uncovered.

If the progressives are "winning" , why is Nancy cowering away from putting Impeachment up for a vote?