It's Troubling that So Many Liberals Still Believe the Lockdowns Were the Right Response to COVID

[Dadoalex]

Tha fuck? Ok, I didnt realize you were THIS fucking stupid. Im not wasting another ounce of my time with you.

Oh no!
I've ben dumped by a MAGAT Moron.
How ever will I survive?

 

[80zephyr]

In 2020 lockdowns were the ONLY AVAILABLE OPTION.

for a contrary opinion see Florida which ranked as the 6th worst COUNTRY in the world for COVID deaths.

Sweden's no-lockdown COVID strategy was broadly correct, commission suggests​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sweden-report-coronavirus-1.6364154

 

[otto105]

Can you?

One killed 8x as many people as the other.

 

[Dadoalex]

Sweden's no-lockdown COVID strategy was broadly correct, commission suggests​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sweden-report-coronavirus-1.6364154

Sweden ain't the US.
A small population widely dispersed.
No NYC, no Chicago, no Disneyworld with 200K covid carriers per day.

apples and trampolines.

 

[WEATHER53]

They can’t think and can’t decipher and figure things out so they stay wedded to safe space ignorance with eyes closed

 

[citygator]

We did it just right. Left it up to the states and got rid of 200,000 extra Red State voters by their free will lack of adherence to the safety advice of the CDC. Hopefully we can get another pandemic or two that weeds out stupid people as effectively as Covid did. Darwin was right by the way.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Or when the elites wanted to hang out together, Like Newsom in California.

They lost a lot of credibility when they were busted for this. Or, Nan Pelosi’s hair appt when the rest of US were being told No.

 

[candycorn]

Control on a Roll

The cronyvirus wasn't contagious. It's an immune-deficiency disease, just like Stephen Hawking's Lou Gehrig disease.

If the Statist totalitarians and their quack scientists had controlled baseball in the 1930s, they would have shut it down. In our time, fear hit a grand slam.

We did put too many patients on respirators in my opinion. Its one of those catch 22s.

 

[Manonthestreet]

How many were hospitalized, you know, like fellow denier Herman Cain?

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Fortunately for them
Even COVID denying congress persons had far better treatment than the rest of us.

Gee what did they get you didnt.......besides heres a ventilator now die quietly alone

 

[Dadoalex]

Gee what did they get you didnt.......besides heres a ventilator now die quietly alone

Ask trump.
I know damned well it wasn't the lightbulb up his ass and glass of clorox he wanted for you.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

We did it just right. Left it up to the states and got rid of 200,000 extra Red State voters by their free will lack of adherence to the safety advice of the CDC. Hopefully we can get another pandemic or two that weeds out stupid people as effectively as Covid did. Darwin was right by the way.

Yeah, like this?

The uncounted: People of color are dying at much higher rates than what COVID data suggests​

The true toll of the COVID-19 pandemic on many communities of color is worse than previously known.​

The uncounted: People of color are dying at much higher rates than what COVID data suggests

The true toll of the COVID-19 pandemic on many communities of color is worse than previously known.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Dragonlady]

It was concluded that lockdowns didn't work.

By whom??? Certainly not anybody outside the United States of America. We confirmed lockdowns, mask mandates,, and vaccines really worked when they were used by everyone.


Half your country didn’t lock down. Half your country didn’t mask and half your country didn’t vax. These things only work when everybody does them at the same time.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Even after all the data that we now have that show that the lockdowns made no meaningful difference in rates of death or illness, and that lockdowns arguably made things worse, most liberals continue to believe that lockdowns were the correct response to the COVID pandemic.

I repeat the word "most," because quite a few liberals have recognized that the lockdowns were a disaster or at least an overly harsh reaction.

Lockdowns: the Self-Inflicted Disaster

Governments’ use of the pandemic to claim sweeping new emergency powers has had destructive effects.

www.city-journal.org

EXCERPT:



Some other informative sources:

A Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

The researchers say lockdowns had no noticeable effect on reducing COVID-related deaths and a "devastating effect" on economies and social ills.

health.wusf.usf.edu

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

Great Barrington Declaration: COVID Lockdowns Unnecessary

Great Barrington Declaration: “Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open.”

www.infectioncontroltoday.com

COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

A key lesson of the pandemic.

nymag.com

New study confirms COVID-19 lockdowns did more harm than good - Washington Examiner

A new Johns Hopkins University study published this week found that COVID-19 lockdowns toward the beginning of the pandemic had “little to no effect” on the COVID-19 mortality rate and “should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy.”The researchers, led by the head of Johns Hopkins...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

By the way, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is the only presidential candidate who says the lockdowns were wrong and unnecessary, and who says he would have responded to the pandemic very differently. RFK Jr. says he would have followed the approach suggested by the thousands of scientists and medical doctors who signed the Great Barrington Declaration.

The lockdowns were always going to be problematic because people didn't take them seriously. In China, where the govt can do whatever it liked, the lock downs worked at the beginning. A lot of people didn't die in China because of the lockdowns.

Inevitably the lockdowns stopped working, because of corruption, because the coronavirus changed and because the govt didn't deal with the dirty habits of the Chinese.

The problem with analyzing this is that those countries which couldn't do lockdowns, we just don't have the data to see how many people died.

India Death Rate 1950-2024

Chart and table of the India death rate from 1950 to 2024. United Nations projections are also included through the year 2100.

www.macrotrends.net

For example this website says "NOTE: All death rate data after 2019 are United Nations projections and therefore DO NOT include any impacts from COVID-19."

So the data is completely pointless for this conversation.



"India's Pandemic Death Toll Estimated At About 4 Million: 10 Times The Official Count"

We're dealing with estimates because they just don't know

Covid-19: India excess deaths cross four million, says study

Excess deaths - those above expected levels - are a measure of the overall impact of the pandemic.

www.bbc.com

"Covid-19: India excess deaths cross four million, says study"

That's a rate of 1 in 350 people. And that was on the 1st July 2021. So 1 year 5 months.

The US had had 600,000 deaths by this point. One in 583 people.

So, clearly the US had, if we accept the estimates in India, a much lower death rate.

We can say why this is so, but we don't really know. Better healthcare, for example.

COVID-19 Mortality by State

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

We can look at the US as a whole and see which states had higher death rates. Because of the attitude to the coronavirus, because people are unhealthier?

Certainly a lot of the usual suspects are there, Mississippi being one of the highest, North and South Dakota and NY.

So you would have to spend a lot of time, get a lot of data and try and understand a lot of things to understand whether the lockdowns "worked" or not. And then you'd have to define "worked".

 

[SweetSue92]

Even after all the data that we now have that show that the lockdowns made no meaningful difference in rates of death or illness, and that lockdowns arguably made things worse, most liberals continue to believe that lockdowns were the correct response to the COVID pandemic.

I repeat the word "most," because quite a few liberals have recognized that the lockdowns were a disaster or at least an overly harsh reaction.

Lockdowns: the Self-Inflicted Disaster

Governments’ use of the pandemic to claim sweeping new emergency powers has had destructive effects.

www.city-journal.org

EXCERPT:



Some other informative sources:

A Johns Hopkins study says 'ill-founded' COVID lockdowns did more harm than good

The researchers say lockdowns had no noticeable effect on reducing COVID-related deaths and a "devastating effect" on economies and social ills.

health.wusf.usf.edu

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

Great Barrington Declaration: COVID Lockdowns Unnecessary

Great Barrington Declaration: “Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open.”

www.infectioncontroltoday.com

COVID Lockdowns Were a Giant Experiment. It Was a Failure.

A key lesson of the pandemic.

nymag.com

New study confirms COVID-19 lockdowns did more harm than good - Washington Examiner

A new Johns Hopkins University study published this week found that COVID-19 lockdowns toward the beginning of the pandemic had “little to no effect” on the COVID-19 mortality rate and “should be rejected out of hand as a pandemic policy.”The researchers, led by the head of Johns Hopkins...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

By the way, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is the only presidential candidate who says the lockdowns were wrong and unnecessary, and who says he would have responded to the pandemic very differently. RFK Jr. says he would have followed the approach suggested by the thousands of scientists and medical doctors who signed the Great Barrington Declaration.

They don't believe it.

They are either in denial because they are rightly shamed and humiliated about how they behaved....

Or they are mentally ill or intellectually disabled. Or maybe both.

 

[SweetSue92]

By whom??? Certainly not anybody outside the United States of America. We confirmed lockdowns, mask mandates,, and vaccines really worked when they were used by everyone.


Half your country didn’t lock down. Half your country didn’t mask and half your country didn’t vax. These things only work when everybody does them at the same time.

You are mentally ill then, yes?

 

[eagle1462010]

I simply no longer care What Branch Covidians believe anymore.

They were full of shit back then and still are today.

But HEY INJOY THE INFLATION THEY BROUGHT US.

Or the 15000 dead in nursing homes from Como.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

By whom??? Certainly not anybody outside the United States of America. We confirmed lockdowns, mask mandates,, and vaccines really worked when they were used by everyone.


Half your country didn’t lock down. Half your country didn’t mask and half your country didn’t vax. These things only work when everybody does them at the same time.

No, I live in the deep south and everybody was wearing masks. And no, masks didnt prevent spread. It was proven through several studies.

 

[SavannahMann]

No, I live in the deep south and everybody was wearing masks. And no, masks didnt prevent spread. It was proven through several studies.

You idiots never understood how masks worked. That’s the problem.

 

[Dragonlady]

No, I live in the deep south and everybody was wearing masks. And no, masks didnt prevent spread. It was proven through several studies.

What studies????? Right wingers quote all of these junk studies posted by quacks, and they repost this shit science HERE and claim it means something.

 

[mikegriffith1]

The closure of schools was especially unscientific and senseless. Minors, ages 18 and under, faced the same very low risk of dying from COVID as they did from the common flu. Children ages 12 and under were actually more likely to die from the flu than from COVID. And minors were much less likely to catch COVID than adults.

Guess how many minors died from COVID from January 2020 until June 2023, i.e., in 3.5 years? Guess. 1,642 minors died from COVID in that period, compared to 858,000 deaths among adults ages 65 and older.