The Boston Tea Party was an act of terrorism

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yes, the economy will increasingly become even more healthy as we turn into 2024.

 

[beautress]

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I could be mistaken, but I think they now have a House of Lords and the House of Commons. And these protect them from legal subjugation, but not in all cases. I never studied any history of England, but people have rights there. Just don't spit on the sidewalk where the Royalty or the gentry live.

 

[Mushroom]

I could be mistaken, but I think they now have a House of Lords and the House of Commons.

They have had two houses since 1295. And it is this two house system that the US adopted for their own legislature.

The House of Commons (1295) is roughly equivalent to the House of Representatives, and the House of Lords (1070 - reinforced in the Magna Carta in 1215) is roughly the same as the Senate. And in that government, they are actually the ones that "hold the purse strings". No taxes can be imposed or raised without the consent of the House of Commons. They also are the house that selects the Prime Minister.

And it was the colonists having no voice in the House of Commons that led ultimately to the Revolution. As they had no representatives in that body, therefore had no say at all in how any taxes were imposed onto them.

 

[DudleySmith]

House of Burgesses

George Washington served in the Virginia House of Burgesses for fifteen years before the American Revolution?

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The House of Burgesses [ushistory.org]

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King James I, a believer in the divine right of monarchs, attempted to dissolve the assembly, but the Virginians would have none of it. They continued to meet on a yearly basis to decide local matters.

Democracy in Practice​

What is the importance of a small legislative body formed so long ago? The tradition established by the House of Burgesses was extremely important to colonial development. Each new English colony demanded its own legislature in turn.


Historians often ponder why the American Revolution was successful. The French, Russian, and Chinese Revolutions each ended with a rise to power of a leader more autocratic than the pre-revolutionary monarch.

But starting with the Virginia General Assembly, Americans had 157 years to practice democracy. By the time of the Declaration of Independence, they were quite good at it.

 

[hadit]

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Indeed, in the eyes of the British it was sedition. In the eyes of the Colonists it was an act of rebellion against inordinate high taxes imposed upon them.

Exactly 250 years from the event that started the Revolution​

Exactly 250 years from the event that started the Revolution - Washington Examiner

Exactly 250 years ago, on Dec. 16, 1773, a gang of rowdies, some dressed as Mohawk braves, boarded three merchant ships in Boston Harbor and, over three hours, dumped 342 chests of tea into the cold waves. A new law had, in fact, lowered the price of tea, but they still resented paying a token

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18 Dec 2023 ~~ By Dan Hannan
Exactly 250 years ago, on Dec. 16, 1773, a gang of rowdies, some dressed as Mohawk braves, boarded three merchant ships in Boston Harbor and, over three hours, dumped 342 chests of tea into the cold waves. A new law had, in fact, lowered the price of tea, but they still resented paying a token levy on it.
Everyone knows the American Revolution began as a taxpayer revolt. What not everyone realizes is that that taxpayer revolt started on the other side of the Atlantic. Great Britain had had to whack up taxes to pay for the French and Indian War, and residents of the colonies were largely exempt. By the late 1760s, the average British adult paid 25 shillings a year in tax, but the average colonist paid only sixpence. British MPs, under pressure from their hard-pressed constituents, wanted to address this imbalance by making Americans assume part of the cost of their own defense.

WILL THE ECONOMY GET BETTER IN 2024?
What happened next was, in one of those ironies in which history abounds, enormously expensive for all involved. The country gentlemen in Parliament who had authorized the use of force to get revenue from the colonies ended up imposing vast new land and legacy duties on their constituents to pay for the war. American patriots who had taken up arms rather than pay what was demanded ended up, after independence, taxing themselves far more harshly than they had ever been taxed under the crown.
It turns out that people don’t care about low taxes nearly as much as they think they do. Or, more precisely, that fiscal conservatism is the first thing to go in a crisis.
The modern Tea Party movement, which claimed direct inspiration from those Bostonian hotheads, has followed the same trajectory, losing interest even as spending has surged.
“Because of tariffs we will be able to start paying down large amounts of the $21 trillion in debt that has been accumulated, much by the Obama administration,” former President Donald Trump declared at the start of his presidency, forgetting that tariffs are themselves a tax on Americans.
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Well, I care. I care that the U.S. deficit is now the single biggest threat to its security and, by implication, the survival of the Western world order. I don’t believe that the Republican congressmen refusing to fund Ukraine are chiefly motivated by parsimony. Dislike of President Joe Biden, a lingering resentment of Ukraine’s cameo role in the Trump impeachment, and a fear of Putin-leaning primary voters are a bigger factor. But if the United States were running a surplus, they would have no excuse.

The sad fact is that, during the lockdowns, a lot of people came to expect government handouts. The reason there is no meaningful Tea Party movement is that there is no demand for one. What a sad way to mark the anniversary.

And, the fact remains that today's democrats would have been the British loyalists during the Revolution. They would have been the ones trying to identify the rebels, turning them into the British authorities, hoping for a pat on the head from their masters, just like they want to do today. They see no problem with being forced to turn over 1/4 (or 1/2 if you make enough) of their earnings to the government to waste as it pleases.

 

[DudleySmith]

The colonies never had 'inordinately high taxes' for most of their existence, compared to those who lived in Britain itself. What ended was the benign neglect they benefited from since the 17th century, and when the Kingdom went bankrupt on the 1760's due to shortfalls in the East India Company's incomes the English decided the colonies should carry a lot more of their own costs, particularly defense. This was anew concept for the colonials, and they revolted, at least a few did at first; British arrogance and their military's atrocities won over support for the revolt, from around 10% of the colonials to around 70% by the 1780's. The Brits went out of their way to piss off as many colonials as they could.

 

[Zebra]

4 say. yes

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Ignore the 3 Stooges of USMB - BackAgain, The Duke, and Rawley

The Three Stooges of USMB

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

A horde of White men disguised themselves as Native Americans — coppering their faces and donning headdresses in the same tradition that would lead to blackfaced minstrel shows decades later — to commit seditious conspiracy and destroy private property. The riotous mob trespassed on three ships and destroyed goods worth nearly $2 million in today’s money — all because they didn’t want to obey a duly passed law.
I love this article, if for nothing else that it speaks truths, while asking serious questions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/12/13/boston-tea-party-anniversary-crime-patriot/

Opinion | Was the Boston Tea Party an act of terrorism? It depends.

The Boston Tea Party took on the British 250 years ago. It pitted one American value against another.

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great read -- this thread -- started by the Infamous USMB Killer Dante

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Excellent insight.

 

[BackAgain]

Terrorism.

 

[Doc7505]

great read -- this thread -- started by the Infamous USMB Killer Dante

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Indeed, to the British monarchy it was considered treason, but to American Colonists the Tea Tax was something they could not tolerate. The dumping of the tea into Boston Harbor was a symbol of their protest.

 

[BackAgain]

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Indeed, to the British monarchy it was considered treason, but to American Colonists the Tea Tax was something they could not tolerate. The dumping of the tea into Boston Harbor was a symbol of their protest.

It still had nothing whatsoever to do with “terrorism,” though.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

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Indeed, to the British monarchy it was considered treason, but to American Colonists the Tea Tax was something they could not tolerate. The dumping of the tea into Boston Harbor was a symbol of their protest.

And in the American Mythology the Tea Party occupies and outsized role.

What was considered by all sides to be treason was going against the Crown. The colonists were subjects of the Crown. They themselves admitted they were committing treason.

 

[BackAgain]

And in the American Mythology the Tea Party occupies and outsized role.

What was considered by all sides to be treason was going against the Crown. The colonists were subjects of the Crown. They themselves admitted they were committing treason.

Not treason either.

But certainly not terrorism.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

It still had nothing whatsoever to do with “terrorism,” though.

Look up what actually happened to people who were tarred and feathered. Look at the homes ransacked and the people beaten, sometimes quite seriously. I guess somebody who believes Jan 6 was not terroristic, could believe American myth be facts. Sort of like Fundamentalist Christians and Biblical fairy tales.

If you can't argue coherently about America's colonial days, please refrain -- go away.

 

[Doc7505]

And in the American Mythology the Tea Party occupies and outsized role.

What was considered by all sides to be treason was going against the Crown. The colonists were subjects of the Crown. They themselves admitted they were committing treason.

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What could be expected by Scots and Englishmen sent to America for merely seeking Liberty & Freedom but sent into servidtude?

 

[hadit]

The US was founded by insurrectionists, so there's that...

 

[BackAgain]

Look up what actually happened to people who were tarred and feathered. Look at the homes ransacked and the people beaten, sometimes quite seriously. I guess somebody who believes Jan 6 was not terroristic, could believe American myth be facts. Sort of like Fundamentalist Christians and Biblical fairy tales.

If you can't argue coherently about America's colonial days, please refrain -- go away.

Look up tea party.

Get back to us when you’re conscious of that day ever arrives.

 

[expat500]

It still had nothing whatsoever to do with “terrorism,” though.

Did you see the size of that boat?

Traitors, the lot of you.