UCLA locks doors on conservative students, preventing them from hosting pro-Israel event: YAF

[Grumblenuts]

I hear Palestinian children have begun hunger striking in protest by the thousands.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Offering a diversity of views to speak does mean they have to provide a platform to professional agitators, hate groups etc. who’s sole purpose is to gin up outrage and hate.

This is an invited talk not a protest or informal gathering etc. Giving a platform to a notorious Islamophobe would be like giving inviting someone like Nick Fuentes to come and speak.

The speech that needs protecting most is offensive speech. No matter what side of the political spectrum you are on, you should welcome speech from the other sides, even extreme speech. What are the old sayings, “ sunlight is the best disinfectant” and “ freedom dies in darkness”.
I would rather have the most bigoted anti-American promoting his views in the public forum, than simmering his hatred in secret.

 

[Coyote]

The speech that needs protecting most is offensive speech. No matter what side of the political spectrum you are on, you should welcome speech from the other sides, even extreme speech. What are the old sayings, “ sunlight is the best disinfectant” and “ freedom dies in darkness”.
I would rather have the most bigoted anti-American promoting his views in the public forum, than simmering his hatred in secret.

Yes. I agree. But this isn’t public property. The school isn’t obligated to let anyone speak or protest for that matter inside their buildings. There is an implicit understanding that universities should provide a variety of views and when they don’t they open themselves to legitimate criticism.

In public spaces, all speech, including the most offensive should be protected.

 

[progressive hunter]

Yes. I agree. But this isn’t public property. The school isn’t obligated to let anyone speak or protest for that matter inside their buildings. There is an implicit understanding that universities should provide a variety of views and when they don’t they open themselves to legitimate criticism.

In public spaces, all speech, including the most offensive should be protected.

UCLA isnt a public university??


University of California, Los Angeles is a public institution that was founded in 1919. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 32,423 (fall 2022), its setting is urban, and the campus size is 419 acres. It utilizes a quarter-based academic calendar.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315#:~:text=University%20of%20California%2C%20Los%20Angeles%20is%20a%20public%20institution%20that,a%20quarter%2Dbased%20academic%20calendar.

 

[yidnar]

You think they should give a platform to a Nazi?


Tone down the outrage a notch. UCLA also allowed the paid (since you are insisting they are all paid) pro-Israel protesters free rein to protest as well. They cancel each other out if you want to view it that way. It is also irrelevant, because none of them are invited speakers.

Two questions:

Do you support UCLA giving a platform to a divisive speaker representing a hate group? Yes or no?

Is that what we need at this time? Further inflaming tensions when antisemitism and Islamophobia are at record highs?

apparently they already have .. the campuses are full of leftwing Nazis chanting death to Israel and America ..

 

[Coyote]

UCLA isnt a public university??


University of California, Los Angeles is a public institution that was founded in 1919. It has a total undergraduate enrollment of 32,423 (fall 2022), its setting is urban, and the campus size is 419 acres. It utilizes a quarter-based academic calendar.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315#:~:text=University%20of%20California%2C%20Los%20Angeles%20is%20a%20public%20institution%20that,a%20quarter%2Dbased%20academic%20calendar.

Access to Public Property | Digital Media Law Project

www.dmlp.org

…However, some public property, even though it is open only for limited purposes, can take on the attributes of a public forum discussed above. A classic example of this type of property is public schools and universities. Although public school and university buildings are not wholly open to the public, some parts of a campus may be considered a public forum. If a school's large open quad is accessed from public sidewalks and streets and freely used by the general public with no apparent objection from the school administration, then the quad may be considered "dedicated" to public use, and therefore more like the traditional public forums of the public park and sidewalk. Additionally, if the school opens certain of its rooms for non-school meetings that are open to the public, those rooms, during those times, will be treated as public forums.

Remember that because public schools are not entirely public forums, school administrators often have the discretion to restrict the entry of outsiders, particularly while the school is in session. Check in with the school administration before entering school grounds or you may be liable for trespass. Additionally, some states laws prohibit people from loitering within a certain distance while school is in session. These "school loitering laws" are mainly aimed at keeping sexual predators and drug dealers away from schoolchildren, but be aware that their language may be broad enough to cover lawful or innocent activity as well.

 

[progressive hunter]

Access to Public Property | Digital Media Law Project

www.dmlp.org

…However, some public property, even though it is open only for limited purposes, can take on the attributes of a public forum discussed above. A classic example of this type of property is public schools and universities. Although public school and university buildings are not wholly open to the public, some parts of a campus may be considered a public forum. If a school's large open quad is accessed from public sidewalks and streets and freely used by the general public with no apparent objection from the school administration, then the quad may be considered "dedicated" to public use, and therefore more like the traditional public forums of the public park and sidewalk. Additionally, if the school opens certain of its rooms for non-school meetings that are open to the public, those rooms, during those times, will be treated as public forums.

Remember that because public schools are not entirely public forums, school administrators often have the discretion to restrict the entry of outsiders, particularly while the school is in session. Check in with the school administration before entering school grounds or you may be liable for trespass. Additionally, some states laws prohibit people from loitering within a certain distance while school is in session. These "school loitering laws" are mainly aimed at keeping sexual predators and drug dealers away from schoolchildren, but be aware that their language may be broad enough to cover lawful or innocent activity as well.

its still public property,,

you need to choose your words better

 

[Coyote]

its still public property,,

you need to choose your words better

Point taken.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yes. I agree. But this isn’t public property. The school isn’t obligated to let anyone speak or protest for that matter inside their buildings. There is an implicit understanding that universities should provide a variety of views and when they don’t they open themselves to legitimate criticism.

In public spaces, all speech, including the most offensive should be protected.

UCLA IS public property. It’s part of the university of California System. USC is a private university.

 

[IM2]

What these guys call Pro Israeli supporters were part of the cause of the violence a couple of weeks ago. They were the ones running around talking about a second Nakba. This stuff gets irritating coming from those here who claim to support Israel. This Israel can do whatever they want attitude has got to go.

 

[Dragonlady]

I thought you argued that it was ”free speech” when pro-Palestinians screamed their antisemtiic crap and spread anti-Isrsel lies. Now, when someone on the opposite side wants to tell his side of the story, you claim UCLA doesn’t owe a “platform” to an “Islamopobe”?

UCLA doesn’t “owe” a platform to either side. UCLA doesn’t have a side in the Arab-Israeli war.

UCLA does have an obligation to keep agitators from both sides off campus.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

UCLA doesn’t have a side in the Arab-Israeli war.

It has taken a VERY strong pro-Hamas side as is much in evidence by its actions.

 

[fncceo]

Offering a diversity of views to speak does mean they have to provide a platform to professional agitators, hate groups etc.

Unless, of course, those professional agitators or hate groups are preaching Jew hatred.

After all, those groups are footing the university's bills.

 

[ThirdTerm]

UCLA allegedly prevented conservative students on campus from hosting the founder of Jihad Watch, Robert Spencer, for a pro-Israel event. But the event wasn't actually banned. It was only relocated to another inconvenient venue. Robert Spencer is a Jewish equivalent of Don Black, who co-founded the organization Stop Islamization of America with Pamela Geller. Even Trump doesn't want to be associated with them.

The event was slated to begin at 6 p.m. on Wednesday. The featured speaker was author and counter-Jihad expert Robert Spencer.

However, on the day of the event, the YAF team discovered that the doors to the event room were locked, the student chairman of UCLA’s YAF chapter, Matthew Weinberg told The Daily Wire.

When they contacted university officials, they were informed that their event would need to be relocated to a “very old and inconvenient” location on campus that is much less trafficked, Weinberg said. This was an “unacceptable last minute change that would have significantly impacted the event’s attendance and impact,” YAF said in a post about the incident.

 

[FranklinRoosevelt_FTW]

You think they should give a platform to a Nazi?


Tone down the outrage a notch. UCLA also allowed the paid (since you are insisting they are all paid) pro-Israel protesters free rein to protest as well. They cancel each other out if you want to view it that way. It is also irrelevant, because none of them are invited speakers.

Two questions:

Do you support UCLA giving a platform to a divisive speaker representing a hate group? Yes or no?

Is that what we need at this time? Further inflaming tensions when antisemitism and Islamophobia are at record highs?

Yes let freedom ring …during the q and a session they can be challenged.

It’s your opinion that a speaker(s) is a nazi.

It’s heinous what lefties do on college campuses and only lefties attack people or prevent free speech on college campuses.

 

[Grumblenuts]

It’s your opinion that a speaker(s) is a nazi.

Richard Bertrand Spencer (born May 11, 1978)[2] is an American neo-Nazi, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, and white supremacist.
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Little fucking kikes. They get ruled by people like me. Little fucking octaroons ... my ancestors fucking enslaved those little pieces of fucking shit. I rule the fucking world. Those pieces of fucking shit get ruled by people like me. They look up and see a face like mine looking down at them. That's how the fucking world works.

You really want him talking to college students?

 

[San Souci]

I hope America is watching these schools and taking notes... you don't need to send your kids to any of these elite schools.... they are not the institutions they once were...
Your child will get a better education in a Jr college....

Message? Stay out of Big College. Waste of Money.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You really want him talking to college students?

Robert Spencer is not Richard Spencer.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Okay, that was the wrong Spencer. Still a horse's ass:

Robert B. Spencer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[fncceo]

Okay, that was the wrong Spencer. Still a horse's ass:

Robert B. Spencer - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If being a horse's arse precluded anyone from speaking to college students ... the halls of academia would be as silent as a grave.