Why do people bitch & whine about the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty so much?

[Dayton3]

The attack on the USS Liberty was a deliberate, premeditated, well planned and almost perfectly executed attack on a lone, freshly painted, well-marked, correctly identified, non-combatant, virtually unarmed US Navy ship by the most powerful military in the Middle East allied with the President of the United States in violation of international law and US Statutes.

Of a crew of 294 officers and men (including three civilians), the ship suffered thirty-four (34) killed in action and at least one hundred seventy-four (174) wounded in action. Over70% casualty rate.

The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, suffered such severe damage that it never embarked on another operational mission and got sold in 1970 as scrap for $101,666.66.

The attack included the jamming of our radios on both US Navy tactical and international maritime distress frequencies, the use of unmarked aircraft by the forces attacking the USS Liberty, and the deliberate machine gunning of life rafts we had dropped over the side in anticipation of abandoning ship.

While we were still under attack and calling for help, the White House ordered the recall of rescue aircraft that had been launched from Sixth Fleet aircraft carriers.

Obeying that order cost the lives of 25 of our shipmates killed by the torpedo.

It was also a capital violation of Article 99 of the UCMJ which the DoD has waived regarding the attack on our ship. (See 10 U.S. Code § 899 - Art. 99. Misbehavior before the enemy)

After they recalled those flights, Sixth Fleet personnel listened to our calls for help as the attack continued, knowing they were forbidden to come to our help.

On June 8, 2005 USS Liberty survivors submitted “A Report: War Crimes Committed Against U.S. Military Personnel, June 8, 1967” with the Department of the Army. (See https://www.ussliberty.com/files/public/War Crimes Report with Exhibits.pdf)

Under the Department of Defense Law of War Program, the DoD is obligated to ensure “All reportable incidents committed by or against U.S. personnel, enemy persons, or any other individual are reported promptly, investigated thoroughly, and, where appropriate, remedied by corrective action.” (See https://media.defense.gov/2023/Jul/31/2003271432/-1/-1/0/DOD-LAW-OF-WAR-MANUAL-JUNE-2015-UPDATED-JULY 2023.PDF)

The DoD has yet to convene an investigation of the allegations contained in our War Crimes Report.

The attack on our ship is the only attack on a #USNavy ship since the end of WWII NOT investigated by the US government.

Prove it for yourself:

Ask your Congressional Delegation for a Copy of the Congressional Investigation of the Attack on the USS Liberty Provide Copy of Congressional Investigation of USS Liberty Attack.

Ask your Congressional Delegation to ask the Congressional Research Service if the US government has investigated the attack on the #USSLiberty. Congressional Research Service.

Ask Congressional Historians for a Copy of the Congressional Investigation of the Attack on the USS Liberty Ask for a Copy of the Congressional Investigation of the Attack on the USS Liberty.

If you want to learn more about the attack on our ship, watch an interview of three USS Liberty survivors by Jocko Willink at Page Redirection.

aircraft launched by the carrier were recalled because they had been involved in a nuclear weapons exercise

 

[Dayton3]

The attack on the USS Liberty was a deliberate, premeditated, well planned and almost perfectly executed attack on a lone, freshly painted, well-marked, correctly identified, non-combatant, virtually unarmed US Navy ship by the most powerful military in the Middle East allied with the President of the United States in violation of international law and US Statutes.


The ship itself, a Forty Million ($40,000,000) Dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence (SIGINT) platform, suffered such severe damage that it never embarked on another operational mission and got sold in 1970 as scrap for $101,666.66.

1) the attack on the Liberty was NOT "well planned or almost perfectly executed". None of the IDF planes had ordnance which was optimized for anti ship attack.

2) Calling Liberty "state of the art" is also false. It was an old WW2 era cargo ship modified for intelligence gathering work.

 

[sparky]

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[Dayton3]

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You do know there is a massive difference between looking at images fixed on a website and looking at them while speeding by at 400 knots 100 foot up.

 

[sparky]

You do know there is a massive difference between looking at images fixed on a website and looking at them while speeding by at 400 knots 100 foot up.

'But sir, it’s an American ship.' 'Never mind, hit her!' When Israel attacked USS Liberty

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www.haaretz.com

'But Sir, It’s an American Ship.' 'Never Mind, Hit Her!' When Israel Attacked USS Liberty​

'The Americans have findings that show our pilots were aware the ship was American,' a newly published document by the State Archives says

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[Desperado]

You do know there is a massive difference between looking at images fixed on a website and looking at them while speeding by at 400 knots 100 foot up.

What about the torpedo boats they had a nice slow look at the ship. Quit making excuses for Israel, they knew ir was an American ship

 

[sparky]

What about the torpedo boats they had a nice slow look at the ship

As well as the wounded in life rafts........~S~

 

[Dayton3]

As well as the wounded in life rafts........~S~

There is no proof the life rafts were fired on

 

[Dayton3]

What about the torpedo boats they had a nice slow look at the ship. Quit making excuses for Israel, they knew ir was an American ship

prove it

 

[Dayton3]

What about the torpedo boats they had a nice slow look at the ship. Quit making excuses for Israel, they knew ir was an American ship

I've never heard a reasonable explanation why Israel would deliberately attack an American ship

 

[Grau]

There is no proof the life rafts were fired on

I posted proof earlier that the remains of a life raft are proudly hanging in an Israeli museum as well as a confession from an ethical Israeli pilot.

Please read that earlier Post that refutes the "accident" myth.

 

[Dayton3]

I posted proof earlier that the remains of a life raft are proudly hanging in an Israeli museum as well as a confession from an ethical Israeli pilot.

Please read that earlier Post that refutes the "accident" myth.

Something can be "deliberate" and still be an "accident"

 

[Kruska]

I posted proof earlier that the remains of a life raft are proudly hanging in an Israeli museum as well as a confession from an ethical Israeli pilot.

Please read that earlier Post that refutes the "accident" myth.

Hi Grau, stop feeding this Zionist troll.

First he tries to play stupid via throwing out a bait thread, and ignorantly asking as for "why".
Whilst deliberately and ignorantly comparing the attack onto the USS Liberty with a Friendly Fire incident onto British troops in Iraq.

Upon getting the respective answers - he persistently refutes facts and their sources, whilst countering with unsubstantiated claims - and arrogantly asking others to refute his own unsubstantiated claims.

I for my part, am not going to continue entertaining a troll like him, in this matter.

Gruß
Kruska

 

[sparky]

There is no proof the life rafts were fired on

The torpedo boats then shot up and sank three life rafts that the Liberty's commanding officer, Captain William L. McGonagle, had ordered into the water after the first attack.

The assault on the USS Liberty

Not a case of mistaken identity

www.meer.com

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[San Souci]

You're disgusting. Where were you in 1967?

I went to the Monterey Rock Festival.

 

[irosie91]

Among the many things that America's traitorous gaggle of "Israel Firsters" omit about Israel's deliberate attempt to sink the USS Liberty and murder its entire crew is the fact that the Israelis used unmarked planes in the initial attacks on the liberty

- Did America's most insidious and parasitic "ally" forget to put markings on the planes sent to sink the USS Liberty?

- Another detail that Israel's traitorous shills omit is that an ethical Israeli pilot refused to kill Americans and was later arrested for his courage:

"Israeli Pilot Speaks Up"
https://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/the-assault-on-the-uss-liberty-still-covered-up-after-26-years.html

EXCERPT "Fifteen years after the attack, an Israeli pilot approached Liberty survivors and then held extensive interviews with former Congressman Paul N. (Pete) McCloskey about his role. According to this senior Israeli lead pilot, he recognized the Liberty as American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the American flag and continue his attack. He refused to do so and returned to base, where he was arrested."CONTINUED

- Still another fact that confirms Israel's attempt to leave no American survivors is their pride in having strafed lowered life rafts while American G.I.s were trying to evacuate the wounded.
The cowardly IDFers were so proud of killing Americans and strafing life rafts (a war crime) that they hung the remains of one lift raft in Israel’s National Maritime Museum in Haifa


"Commonly Asked Questions about the USS Liberty"
Prepared by the Independent Commission of Inquiry

Commonly Asked Questions about the USS Liberty

If Americans Knew is dedicated to providing Americans with everything they need to know about Israel and Palestine.

ifamericaknew.org

EXCERPT "After the attack was thought to have ended, three life rafts were lowered into the water to rescue the most seriously wounded. The Israeli torpedo boats returned and machine-gunned these life rafts at close range."CONTINUED


"The Forgotten Sneak Attack"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/09/the-forgotten-sneak-attack/

EXCERPT "The life raft taken by the Israeli torpedo boat and the wheel of the torpedo boat that succeeded in hitting Liberty are on display at Israel’s National Maritime Museum in Haifa. In Israel, those who participated in the attack are celebrated as national heroes."CONTINUED

- Yet another fact that debunks the "accident" lie is the fact that an American EC121 spy plane overheard the Israeli attackers and because of that damning information, the Israelis tried to shoot down that same American plane to hide its murderous intentions.


"Israel’s Attack on the USS Liberty: A Half Century Later, Still No Justice"
Israel's Attack on the USS Liberty: A Half Century Later, Still No Justice

EXCERPT "As the attacks were going on, conversations between Israeli pilots were overheard by US Air Force officers in an EC121 surveillance plane overhead. The spy plane was spotted by Israeli jets, which were given orders to shoot it down. The American plane narrowly avoided the IDF missiles."CONTINUED

Finally, since you've never served in America's military and routinely attempt to justify Israel's repeated betrayals, that's why so many loyal Americans have responded so strongly to your betrayal of America's own G.I.s in support of a treacherous and parasitic regime.


"NEW EVIDENCE PROVES ISRAEL ATTACKED USS LIBERTY WITH ORDERS TO KILL 294 AMERICANS"

Flashback: New Evidence Proves Israel Attacked USS Liberty With Orders to Kill 294 Americans – Socio-Economics History Blog

socioecohistory.x10host.com

EXCERPT "Navy Admiral Thomas Moorer, who has served this country as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Chief of Naval Operations, once lead an independent commission to investigate what really happened to the USS Liberty. The commission’s findings were made public in 2003. Here are a few of the shocking conclusions.

• The attack, by a U.S. ally, was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and kill its entire crew.
• The attack included the machine-gunning of stretcher-bearers and life rafts .
• The White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of the USS Liberty. This was the first time in naval history a rescue mission had been cancelled while an American ship was under attack.
• Surviving crew members were later threatened with court-martial, imprisonment, or worse if they talked to anyone about what had happened to them; and were “abandoned by their own government.”CONTINUED

roflmao @ ISLAMO NAZI PROPAGANDA RAG--''washington report". try citing a reliable source. I could tell you lots of stories from my time as an officer in the US NAVY----but it would be a violation of military law to do so----note that the piece of shit above openly
CLAIMS that the military law was written TO BENEFIT ONLY JEWS----a very typical islamo naziesque libel

 

[Grau]

roflmao @ ISLAMO NAZI PROPAGANDA RAG--''washington report". try citing a reliable source. I could tell you lots of stories from my time as an officer in the US NAVY----but it would be a violation of military law to do so----note that the piece of shit above openly
CLAIMS that the military law was written TO BENEFIT ONLY JEWS----a very typical islamo naziesque libel

Every news source that is not Zionist owned and operated is an "ISLAMO-NAZI PROPAGANDA RAG" to Netanyahu's shills.

Jewish writer and musician, Gilad Atzmon, notes that "ZIONO-NAZI PROPAGANDA RAGS" are far more prevalent:


"Jews DO control the media,"

Jews DO control the media, — Gilad Atzmon thoughts and music

Introduction by Gilad Atzmon : The following article was published on the popular Zionist site Times Of Israel . It actually confirms everything we say and write about Jewish power, Jewish identity, Jewish left and Jewish AZZ (anti Zionist Zionists) . It is also consi

www.gilad.co.uk

EXCERPT "Let’s be honest with ourselves, here, fellow Jews. We do control the media. We’ve got so many dudes up in the executive offices in all the big movie production companies it’s almost obscene. Just about every movie or TV show, whether it be “Tropic Thunder” or “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is rife with actors, directors, and writers who are Jewish. Did you know that all eight major film studios are run by Jews?"

But the funny part is when any anti-Semite or anti-Israel person starts to spout stuff like, “The Jews control the media!” and “The Jews control Washington!”

Suddenly we’re up in arms. We create huge campaigns to take these people down. We do what we can to put them out of work. We publish articles. We’ve created entire organizations that exist just to tell everyone that the Jews don’t control nothin’. No, we don’t control the media, we don’t have any more sway in DC than anyone else. No, no, no, we swear: We’re just like everybody else!

Does anyone else (who’s not a bigot) see the irony of this?" CONTINUED

 

[irosie91]

Every news source that is not Zionist owned and operated is an "ISLAMO-NAZI PROPAGANDA RAG" to Netanyahu's shills.

Jewish writer and musician, Gilad Atzmon, notes that "ZIONO-NAZI PROPAGANDA RAGS" are far more prevalent:


"Jews DO control the media,"

Jews DO control the media, — Gilad Atzmon thoughts and music

Introduction by Gilad Atzmon : The following article was published on the popular Zionist site Times Of Israel . It actually confirms everything we say and write about Jewish power, Jewish identity, Jewish left and Jewish AZZ (anti Zionist Zionists) . It is also consi

www.gilad.co.uk

EXCERPT "Let’s be honest with ourselves, here, fellow Jews. We do control the media. We’ve got so many dudes up in the executive offices in all the big movie production companies it’s almost obscene. Just about every movie or TV show, whether it be “Tropic Thunder” or “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is rife with actors, directors, and writers who are Jewish. Did you know that all eight major film studios are run by Jews?"

But the funny part is when any anti-Semite or anti-Israel person starts to spout stuff like, “The Jews control the media!” and “The Jews control Washington!”

Suddenly we’re up in arms. We create huge campaigns to take these people down. We do what we can to put them out of work. We publish articles. We’ve created entire organizations that exist just to tell everyone that the Jews don’t control nothin’. No, we don’t control the media, we don’t have any more sway in DC than anyone else. No, no, no, we swear: We’re just like everybody else!

Does anyone else (who’s not a bigot) see the irony of this?" CONTINUED

oh ATZMON again----poor guy found a way to make
a living

 

[the watcher]

Mistakes happen in war zones.

The attack went on for hours, with distress calls being ignored by Israel and close US forces. The big American flag being displayed was shot full of machine gun holes, The ship was torpedoed and the survivors strafed repeatedly. LBJ was a rabid Zionist and never had to answer for any of his crimes because of his connection to power brokers with lots to hide. The "investigation" was handled by John McCain's father and handled accordingly. The purpose of the attack was to blind the US as to what Israel was doing in the 6 day war, and blame Egypt for the attack to pull the US into the war. It failed because the ship didn't sink and there were survivors. Why do people remember it? To know how history is really established is something not easy to forget, and is still happening today.

 

[Grau]

Hi Grau, stop feeding this Zionist troll.

First he tries to play stupid via throwing out a bait thread, and ignorantly asking as for "why".
Whilst deliberately and ignorantly comparing the attack onto the USS Liberty with a Friendly Fire incident onto British troops in Iraq.

Upon getting the respective answers - he persistently refutes facts and their sources, whilst countering with unsubstantiated claims - and arrogantly asking others to refute his own unsubstantiated claims.

I for my part, am not going to continue entertaining a troll like him, in this matter.

Gruß
Kruska

Good morning Kruska,

Thanks for your excellent observations.

Since I'm a combat Veteran who is well over 70 years old, spent time in the Middle East, have studied its realities for over 50 years and dealt with Hasbara trolls since before the internet, I'm well aware of the rhetorical ploys and evasions used by people trying to excuse the inexcusable.

I also studied psychology and worked on an Emergency Psychiatric unit in a large inner city for about 10 years so I'm intimately familiar with rhetorical BS, deceptions and evasions.

I respond to the "Israel First" crowd not because I expect to change their mind but share information that has either been censored, repressed or not commonly known with others who condemn Israeli parasitism, betrayal (1) and genocide. (2)

Many thanks and best wishes,




(1). "How Israel Has Betrayed America"
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/

EXCERPT "A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public." CONTINUED


(2). “A Textbook Case of Genocide”

“Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”

A Textbook Case of Genocide

Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?

jewishcurrents.org

EXCERPT “Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”

Indeed, Israel’s genocidal assault on Gaza is quite explicit, open, and unashamed. Perpetrators of genocide usually do not express their intentions so clearly,

Israel’s goal is to destroy the Palestinians of Gaza. And those of us watching around the world are derelict in our responsibility to prevent them from doing so.” CONTINUED