57000 americans died in vietnam so jimmy carter could pardon the draft dodgers

[tyroneweaver]

imagine if you voted for a democrat and served in vietnam and had a student loan debt
I bet by today you turned republican

President Carter pardons draft dodgers | January 21, 1977 | HISTORY

U.S. President Jimmy Carter grants an unconditional pardon to hundreds of thousands of men who evaded the draft during the Vietnam War.

www.history.com

 

[rightwinger]

Those who advocated for the war and misrepresented the prospects deserved to be prosecuted

 

[EMH]

57k Americans died in 'nam so LBJ could steal American weapons and hand them to Israel for free, which is how Israel got armed for the 67 war.


And LBJ lied his treasonous ass off about it...

LBJ said Israel was attacked. That's not what CIA told him....

https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/CIA-Analysis-1967-War.pdf

Helms was awakened at 3:00 in the morning on 5 June by a call from the CIA Operations Center. The Foreign Broadcast Information Service had picked up reports that Israel had launched its attack. (OCI soon concluded that the Israelis—contrary to their claims—had fired first.) President Johnson was gratified that because of CIA analyses and Helms’s tip, he could inform congressional leaders later in the day that he had been expecting Israel’s move.



because the Navy boats with weapons for our Army and Marines in 'nam were instead sent to ISRAEL, which is why every Army and Marine vet from 'nam will tell you they were promised new weapons that NEVER ARRIVED....

 

[Picaro]

Over 500,000 resistors faced prosecution. The Watergate Babies callously abandoned South Viet Nam in 1975, under Ford. What would be the point in prosecuting them over war the Republicans and Democrats had abandoned like punks anyway? Only some 3,200 had been prosecuted by Carter's term anyway, after 15 years of resistors openly defying the draft. Besides, many went on to stealing billions on Wall Street, exploding the cocaine biz, and becoming fanatic Reaganites, like good little right wingers.

 

[JoeB131]

imagine if you voted for a democrat and served in vietnam and had a student loan debt
I bet by today you turned republican

President Carter pardons draft dodgers | January 21, 1977 | HISTORY

U.S. President Jimmy Carter grants an unconditional pardon to hundreds of thousands of men who evaded the draft during the Vietnam War.

www.history.com

Actually, by the time he did that, everyone agreed Vietnam was a terrible idea, the draft had been abolished because of it's manifest unfairness, and it just wasn't a big deal.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Besides, many went on to stealing billions on Wall Street, exploding the cocaine biz, and becoming fanatic Reaganites, like good little right wingers.

Those would be the counter culturists, mostly democrats now, not Reaganites. Left wingers stuck in the 1960’s. I call them leftovers.

 

[Picaro]

Those would be the counter culturists, mostly democrats now, not Reaganites. Left wingers stuck in the 1960’s. I call them leftovers.

They suddenly lost their hippiness when the draft ended. they immediately went back to Burb Brat Syndrome and mindless self-indulgence. The trust fund kiddies spent another 20 years in college getting Fine Arts degrees and then giving each other tenure and settled into a cushy do nothing job for life playing armchair radicals n stuff. Not much difference between the two really, all are narcissists. seeing some signs of life in Gen Z, though.

 

[JoeB131]

Over 500,000 resistors faced prosecution. The Watergate Babies callously abandoned South Viet Nam in 1975, under Ford. What would be the point in prosecuting them over war the Republicans and Democrats had abandoned like punks anyway? Only some 3,200 had been prosecuted by Carter's term anyway, after 15 years of resistors openly defying the draft. Besides, many went on to stealing billions on Wall Street, exploding the cocaine biz, and becoming fanatic Reaganites, like good little right wingers.

Okay, so let's look at that.

My view, the draft resistors were more honest than.

Guys who joined the National Guard when it was known as a haven for avoiding active duty (Including Dubya Bush, Dan Quayle, etc.)
Guys who went to college to avoid the draft. (Cheney, Bill Clinton)
Guys who got married to avoid the draft (Newt Gingrich)
Guys who got fake medical deferments to avoid the draft (Limbaugh, Trump)

After WWII, you couldn't have a career without having served in the war.
After Vietnam, how you avoided the war became the standard.

 

[scruffy]

Vietnam was Johnson's idea of a fun time. It was started under false pretenses for highly dubious reasons.

To understand LBJ's Vietnam War you have to study the Kennedy assassination real hard. That war wasn't about communism, it was about control of the Golden Triangle.

Back before lefties lost their brains, they knew all about this stuff. Many of them would have died for YOU, but not LBJ. Can't say's I blame em.

After Nixon got in and before Gerald Ford pardoned him (btw both were nefarious figures in the JFK story), he started the DEA. Guess who became DEA agents? All the CIA people that were in Vietnam. Who otherwise would have been out of a job.

Study how the cartels got started. It goes back almost TO THE DAY of the inception of the DEA.

This is one of the most sordid stories in American history. The thread runs from the JFK assassination through both Johnson and Nixon, through Iran Contra and all the way to present day fentanyl.

 

[Failzero]

That many Russian Troops died in Ukraine in first 11 months

 

[Picaro]

Actually LBJ's escalation in 1965 shut down the VC as a viable force in South Viet Nam within 3 years. Compare that to the previous 18 years of fighting them, and it was the major factor leading to the bankruptcy of the Soviet Union, and along with the failure of the Arab invasions of Israel in 1973 had completely discredited the Soviets with most of their allies and proxies in the ME and Africa as well as SE Asia. We were able to begin pulling out troops in 1969 due to his policies. Taking on Israel as a client state after the French abandoned them was also a fortunate choice of policy.

He greatly embarrassed both northeastern liberal elites and Republicans by his getting both a Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Acts passed, something both groups had miserably failed to accomplish previously, and did so with sunset laws included, hence the widespread hatred for him by the left wing media vermin and right wing both ever since. Pretty good for a poor boy from the Hill Country who put himself through college in the Great Depression and whose first ' cushy govt. job' was shoveling gravel out of the back of mule drawn wagon on a county road building crew. Like him or not his achievements are more impressive than FDR's considering where he started from. The History Forum is still full of whining and lying about him to this day from both ends of the wingnutjob spectrum, such was his success. You can blame Nixon and the NE liberal elites and GOP for making the racial quotas permanent; Johnson and Humphrey fought against them.

 

[scruffy]

Actually LBJ's escalation in 1965 shut down the VC as a viable force in South Viet Nam within 3 years.

Really?

Is that why they won the war?

Compare that to the previous 18 years of fighting them, and it was the major factor leading to the bankruptcy of the Soviet Union,

20 years later?

and along with the failure of the Arab invasions of Israel in 1973 had completely discredited the Soviets with most of their allies and proxies in the ME and Africa as well as SE Asia. We were able to begin pulling out troops in 1969 due to his policies.

Yet the draft continued. And so did the body bags.

Taking on Israel as a client state after the French abandoned them was also a fortunate choice of policy.

The French abandon everyone. Even themselves.

He greatly embarrassed both northeastern liberal elites and Republicans by his getting both a Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Acts passed, something both groups had miserably failed to accomplish previously, and did so with sunset laws included, hence the widespread hatred for him by the left wing media vermin and right wing both ever since. Pretty good for a poor boy from the Hill Country who put himself through college in the Great Depression and whose first ' cushy govt. job' was shoveling gravel out of the back of mule drawn wagon on a county road building crew.

Johnson was a radio station owner. That's how he started his political career.

Like him or not his achievements are more impressive than FDR's considering where he started from. The History Forum is still full of whining and lying about him to this day from both ends of the wingnutjob spectrum, such was his success. You can blame Nixon and the NE liberal elites and GOP for making the racial quotas permanent; Johnson and Humphrey fought against them.

Johnson was a nasty piece of work. He was Hillary's first role model, which should tell you something. They both have a long history of disappearing people.

 

[Picaro]

Really?

Is that why they won the war?

They won because we stabbed the South in the back and abandoned them, while the Red Chinese continued to supply the North.

20 years later?

20 years later what? The Soviets went bankrupt in 1973, collapsed under Brezhnev. The Republicans rescued them under Nixon, and made sure they didn't collapse completely.

Yet the draft continued. And so did the body bags.

More people were killed in the U.S. in some single years in the 1960's by drunk drivers than the entire war.

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Here are the number of motor vehicle fatalities in the United States by year in the 1960s:

• 1964: 45,645 deaths
• 1965: 47,089 deaths
• 1966: 50,894 deaths
• 1967: 50,724 deaths
  
  Drunks killed more Americans than commies did.

The French abandon everyone. Even themselves.

Yes.

Johnson was a radio station owner. That's how he started his political career.

Wrong. He started as a road laborer for the County he lived in, went to college and taught school, then got hired as a secretary for a rich Conservative kid who got elected to the Senate and went to Washington.

Johnson was a nasty piece of work. He was Hillary's first role model, which should tell you something. They both have a long history of disappearing people.

Bullshit as usual; his role models were FDR and Sam Rayburn. He was one of the few who made the New Deal programs work well in Texas.

 

[scruffy]

Wrong. He started as a road laborer for the County he lived in, went to college and taught school, then got hired as a secretary for a rich Conservative kid who got elected to the Senate and went to Washington.

The Johnson family owned several radio stations in the Austin area including KLBJ-FM 93.7 "The Rock of Austin", KGSR and KTBC.

Lady Bird Johnson purchased KTBC in 1943. That's how LBJ met FCC commissioner Clifford Durr.

Johnson then visited William Paley and that's how KTBC became a CBS affiliate. Johnson was a millionaire by 1948.

You should read Robert Caro's biography of Johnson, it's meticulously researched.

Bullshit as usual; his role models were FDR and Sam Rayburn. He was one of the few who made the New Deal programs work well in Texas.

 

[Picaro]

The Johnson family owned several radio stations in the Austin area including KLBJ-FM 93.7 "The Rock of Austin", KGSR and KTBC.

Lady Bird Johnson purchased KTBC in 1943. That's how LBJ met FCC commissioner Clifford Durr.

Johnson then visited William Paley and that's how KTBC became a CBS affiliate. Johnson was a millionaire by 1948.

You should read Robert Caro's biography of Johnson, it's meticulously researched.

I have all of Caro's books. He wasn't born owning radio stations, and he bought them because right wingers owned all the others, the ones who also owned oil companies and sniveled about Da Joooos!!! all the time and favored their Arab Wahhabist nutjob oil biz partners from the 1930's onward.. They also owned the newspapers and TV stations.

Caro relies on innuendo and bullshit spin for the parts right wingers love to cite as 'facts'.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

The real criminals are the ones who sent them to die. Drafting people for a dickwaving contest against the USSR isn't something any sane person would want to die for.

 

[Picaro]

I

The real criminals are the ones who sent them to die. Drafting people for a dickwaving contest against the USSR isn't something any sane person would want to die for.

t wasn't about 'dick waving', it was about shutting down Soviet and Red Chinese imperialism and supporting allies. And it worked.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

I

t wasn't about 'dick waving', it was about shutting down Soviet and Red Chinese imperialism and supporting allies. And it worked.

Yeah, maybe in some alternate history timeline. Last I checked Vietnam reunified in 1975 when the seat of the puppet government in the south fell.

 

[Picaro]

Yeah, maybe in some alternate history timeline. Last I checked Vietnam reunified in 1975 when the seat of the puppet government in the south fell.

And the Soviets went bankrupt before that, and the South fell because the U.S. pussied out to appease halfwit stoners. You probably can't admit the 'puppet govt'. was your hero Ho and his successors. You need a peer group to suck up to.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

And the Soviets went bankrupt before that, and the South fell because the U.S. pussied out to appease halfwit stoners.

No. The south fell because it was a hilariously corrupt puppet state with zero stability and zero will to fight. Do you have any idea how many governments they went through? The Soviets didn't start having serious financial problems until their defense spending hikes in the 80s. Nevermind the fact that none of that shit was the problem of those 57,000 people. They died terrible deaths for no real good reason.