ChairmanGonzalo
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- Oct 6, 2016
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All the examples you listed either happened before nuclear bombs were invented, or where the U.S was not defending its own soil. If the U.S had to defend it's own territory against an inssurection, it would sure as hell use its sizeable nuclear arsenalI am a veteran of the United States Army. I served as a 12B (Combat Engineer) in the 37th Engineer Battalion, part of the illustrious 82nd Airborne Division
I cannot, for the life of me, understand why any civilian needs or wants to own an assault rifle. During OSUT (a form of initial training where Basic and AIT are rolled into one course), we learned that our rifles were deadly weapons, designed solely for killing the enemy on a battlefield. When we trained with our weapons, we had to shoot a "qualification" test. We were presented with forty popup targets, one after another at different distances, from fifty to three hundred meters, all in very quick succession. We had to kill at least twenty three targets to pass the test, but most of us, including those of us who never fired a gun before, easily shot thirty or more targets. All this was in the span of less than two minutes, and we even had to reload once in that time. I don't get why any civilian needs to kill thirty people in two minutes, unless he is deliberately causing carnage and mass death.
The civilian AR15 is just a M-4 carbine by any other name. The only difference is that it does not have burst capacity. That is not nearly as big a difference as the NRA makes it out to be. We never, ever used burst mode in the military, since it wasted ammo, was inaccurate, and generally useless. Besides for that difference, the AR 15 is the exact same as the M4. The M4's features are designed to kill a large number of people in a short amount of time, including a detachable magazine which allows for rapid reloading and a buffer tube and muzzle brake which dampens recoil, so that a shooter can fire off a large number of rounds with minimal affect on accuracy.
All the arguments about " I need my AR 15 for hunting" or "I need my Ar15 for self defense" are entirely ridiculous. The 5.56 Nato round, which the Ar15 uses, is designed to pierce body armor. Which deer wears body armor? And your fantasies about shooting fifteen home invaders at once is just that: a fantasy which will likely never happen. The only real purpose of the AR 15 in American society is to kill large numbers of clubgoers, schoolchildren, or innocent bystanders at a time.
And for those of you who claim that "my Ar15 will protect me from tyranny," guess what, you're wrong. In my time in the military, I saw that no civilian rebellion would ever stand a chance against us. We have M1 Abrams tanks which can survive multiple rocket hits. We have drones which can bomb your house while being controlled by a person a thousand miles away. If worst came to worst, we have nuclear weapons which can quickly bring a seceding city or state into the stone age.
let's also talk about concealed carry. You are civilians. You are not deployed to a foreign country halfway around the globe. You are not fighting basically an entire for the sake of securing their oil supplies. You are not under constant threat of attack from people defending their homes from foreign invaders.
Therefore, you have no reason to carry a gun in public. Nobody needs to carry a handgun into mcDonald's or into a bank. You are not in a war zone.
And don;t give me the bs that concealed carry decreases crime. It has been proven, by STANFORD UNIVERSITY, that concealed carry actually INCREASES violent crime:
Right-to-carry gun laws linked to increase in violent crime, Stanford research shows
Trust me, I used to be an NRA member myself when i was 18. I bought into the propaganda because i was stupid, uninformed, and thought it was fun to play with guns. After joining the military, I learned to treat firearms, especially assault rifles, as tools of death and destruction, something which should be kept out of most civilian hands.
The right wing claims to respect veterans, so please listen to the words of a former soldier. I trained with assault rifles. I carried an assault rifle as part of my job. I can tell you that the military M-4 and the Ar-15 are nearly identical, and that no civilian needs a weapon designed to kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes.
With all due respect and appreciation for your military service I have to say that I am appalled at your ignorance and your willingness to shoot your mouth off so much about subjects about which you know so little. Who are you to decide what civilians or anybody else needs? Or to imply they shouldn't have what they don't need?
" All the arguments about " I need my AR 15 for hunting" or "I need my Ar15 for self defense" are entirely ridiculous. The 5.56 Nato round, which the Ar15 uses, is designed to pierce body armor. Which deer wears body armor?"
Pure ignorance. Amilitary rifles and almost any rifle round will pierce body armor or kill a deer. Most hunting weapons are every bit as deadly as is the AR-15 and many more so depending on how they are employed..Actual assault rifles were chambered for cartridges substantially less powerful than those used in standard battle rifles.
"And for those of you who claim that "my Ar15 will protect me from tyranny," guess what, you're wrong. In my time in the military, I saw that no civilian rebellion would ever stand a chance against us".
Then you weren't looking and totally disregard history. Ever hear of the American revolution? The War of !812? The Texas rebellion? The Civil war? The Viet Cong? All the assorted muslim militias in the ME and elsewhere? The Reds in Russia? Civilian militias have been and continue to be important and often win for their cause. And why do you assume the military would side with tyranny?
You go to great length to claim that civilians don't need an effective weapon for defense. For the majority you are probably right but it is just as true that most people will never need an effective fire extinguisher; that in no way means that it is wise not to have one.
You're a retard. The US won't use nukes against a insurrection you moron. Progressives nitwits like you might indeed try and round up all of those you hate and then nuke them to save the grave digging costs, but the military would tell any politician who told them to nuke this country to go fuck themselves.
You know that the last time the South tried to rebel, entire cities such as Atlanta and Savannah were burned to the ground, right? William Sherman, if he had a nuclear weapon, would have easily used it on Atlanta instead of wasting lives and time fighting for the city and then burning it to oblivion anyways