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Putin acted stupidly. There’s really nothing else to say. Biden told Putin exactly what would happen if he proceeded into Ukraine.
All your hindsighted Monday morning quarterbacking is irrelevant.
I’m done. You’re in the weeds screaming at trees.Yes, that our response would be based on the level of incursion, not "don't enter Ukraine".
Putin read it as a sign of weakness, instead of grabbing just the rebel provinces, he went for the whole shebang.
I’m done. You’re in the weeds screaming at trees.
Important factors from the OP’s link about the linked survey:WASHINGTON, March 4 (Reuters) - A broad bipartisan majority of Americans think the United States should stop buying Russian oil and gas and work with NATO to set up "no-fly zones" to protect Ukraine from Russian air strikes, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll completed on Friday.
The poll, conducted Thursday and Friday, suggests that U.S. outrage is growing over Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which in recent days has increasingly involved Russian bombing of urban areas.
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EXCLUSIVE Americans broadly support Ukraine no-fly zone, Russia oil ban -poll
A broad bipartisan majority of Americans think the United States should stop buying Russian oil and gas and work with NATO to set up "no-fly zones" to protect Ukraine from Russian air strikes, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll completed on Friday.www.reuters.com
www.reuters.com
Good point about the Reuters survey being weak because of the low number of respondents. Unlike you, I believe most people understand the risks (even my 13yo daughter could see the risk without prompting when I explained the Ukraine situation to her)...most people are a lot smarter than you give them credit for.Important factors from the OP’s link about the linked survey:
1.Reuters) - “A broad bipartisan majority of Americans think the United States should stop buying Russian oil and gas and work with NATO to set up "no-fly zones" to protect Ukraine from Russian air strikes, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll completed on Friday.”
Let’s look at the actual size of this “broad bipartisan majority”: “The poll on Ukraine was conducted online and in English throughout the United States. It gathered responses from 831 adults and has a credibility interval, a measure of precision, of 4 percentage points.
The small scale of this “widespread” poll is almost laughable, and I appreciate that Mindful posted this article because of this exact reason.
2. “It was not clear if respondents who supported a no-fly zone were fully aware of the risk of conflict, and majorities opposed the idea of sending American troops to Ukraine or conducting air strikes to support the Ukrainian army.” Ya don’t say.
EXCLUSIVE Americans broadly support Ukraine no-fly zone, Russia oil ban -poll
A broad bipartisan majority of Americans think the United States should stop buying Russian oil and gas and work with NATO to set up "no-fly zones" to protect Ukraine from Russian air strikes, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll completed on Friday.
So, Reuters presents this as a “widespread poll”, polling 831 Americans, with no attempt to state otherwise. My local city polls 4 times that scale during local elections, that’s beyond ridiculous!
www.forbes.com
I’ll start with my criticism of your take before I give you my positive remarks, just to get it out of the way. Please reference the bold print above from your post. I gave an exact quote from the linked source, Reuters, it was not my personal view as you’ve implied. Specifically this statement : “It was not clear if respondents who supported a no-fly zone were fully aware of the risk of conflict, and majorities opposed the idea of sending American troops to Ukraine or conducting air strikes to support the Ukrainian army.”Good point about the Reuters survey being weak because of the low number of respondents. Unlike you, I believe most people understand the risks (even my 13yo daughter could see the risk without prompting when I explained the Ukraine situation to her)...most people are a lot smarter than you give them credit for.
However the Reuters poll results are supported by another much larger poll:
"Opposition to a no-fly zone stood at 24.9% among U.S. respondents, 23.9% in the U.K. and 27.8% in the EU, while a further 17% to 19% didn’t have an opinion either way."
More Support Military Intervention In Ukraine Than Oppose It, Poll Says â But Financial Aid Still Preferable
The highest support is still for the U.S. and Europe to provide financial help and weapons aid.
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I’ll start with my criticism of your take before I give you my positive remarks, just to get it out of the way. Please reference the bold print above from your post. I gave an exact quote from the linked source, Reuters, it was not my personal view as you’ve implied. Specifically this statement : “It was not clear if respondents who supported a no-fly zone were fully aware of the risk of conflict, and majorities opposed the idea of sending American troops to Ukraine or conducting air strikes to support the Ukrainian army.”
You did highlight an important point, in that people sometimes/often know more than what their words relay. Shysters fall under this category with twisting the words of others knowingly. I assume you just misread my post and missed the quotation marks. No worries.
Now for the positive remarks: You used 2 quality sources- Forbes and Response. Apparently, Reuters is either too highly ranked as a news source by more than one rating org., or, it needs better editors to step up their game. Many people trust their findings and deserve accurate reporting.
Comparing the top 3 (most used)media rating companies that rate for accuracy and political bias, they do a decent job with a few (perhaps biased) glitches. The following analysis linked below thoroughly examines 102 domestic sources. It’s worth the while to compare and contrast all 4 analyses.
So your idea is to just roll over and give up? Let Putin bully the free world with nukes? I'd have to say *you* are the one allowing socialism (and it's logical goal communism) to become the status quo.Attacking Moscow directly would lead to WW III and hundreds of millions dead. Also Xi Jin Ping thanks you for making Communist world domination so easy. In the unlikely event you survive the ICBMs please report to one of Xi’s beautiful new re-education camps. I hope you like gruel and lectures about Western imperialism. I’m sure you’ll learn to love Xi’s enlightened and grandfatherly rule.
Russia’s economy is a bit more free than Ukraine’s.So your idea is to just roll over and give up? Let Putin bully the free world with nukes? I'd have to say *you* are the one allowing socialism (and it's logical goal communism) to become the status quo.
And as a special gift, Biden is going to PAY Russia to take over Ukraine and remove the democratically elected and free people. That's right, you heard me, Biden is going to PAY Putin to do this. How so? In the $1.5 Trillion spending bill, there is a package of $35 Billion to be gifted to Ukraine. The new Russian Ukraine, that is. We all know Putin will put that money in his pocket to pay for war costs once he installs his puppet regime.
It is more an more obvious that Biden supports Putin's destruction of the free people of Ukraine. They were a threat to Biden, Putin and Xi for the simple reason that they were a Free, Democratic and successful Capitalist system. Big Government doesn't like it when the people are free to choose.
www.heritage.org
Your response is non-sensical. You are changing the subject to something that sounds similar but is of a different nature. We are talking about Ukraine, not Russia, for one thing. We are talking about political systems in Ukraine: Ukraine has a democratically elected president. (Russia has a dictator in power for 25 years). We are talking about a capitalist system in Ukraine that has absolutely flourished over the last 30 years (Russia is purely socialist, more so than even the USA, by any stretch of the imagination).Russia’s economy is a bit more free than Ukraine’s.
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Russia is no longer a Communist country.
It’s been Russian policy for some time: they don’t want Ukraine in NATO. This seems like something we can live with in the interest of peace.
I guess you have a death wish. Would you care to explain why we should end their world because you want to play Billy Bad Ass?You usually have some good points. This time, I'm afraid you're letting your fear get to you. Don't be bullied by this one little jackass called "putin" who threatens and bullies the entire free world. You're better than that.
If not no-fly zone, then we should attack moscow directly and eliminate the threat permanantly.
WASHINGTON, March 4 (Reuters) - A broad bipartisan majority of Americans think the United States should stop buying Russian oil and gas and work with NATO to set up "no-fly zones" to protect Ukraine from Russian air strikes, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll completed on Friday.
The poll, conducted Thursday and Friday, suggests that U.S. outrage is growing over Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which in recent days has increasingly involved Russian bombing of urban areas.
EXCLUSIVE Americans broadly support Ukraine no-fly zone, Russia oil ban -poll
A broad bipartisan majority of Americans think the United States should stop buying Russian oil and gas and work with NATO to set up "no-fly zones" to protect Ukraine from Russian air strikes, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll completed on Friday.
You are an idiot that likes to talk like a badass and then lies about your justification. Where is your link?So your idea is to just roll over and give up? Let Putin bully the free world with nukes? I'd have to say *you* are the one allowing socialism (and it's logical goal communism) to become the status quo.
And as a special gift, Biden is going to PAY Russia to take over Ukraine and remove the democratically elected and free people. That's right, you heard me, Biden is going to PAY Putin to do this. How so? In the $1.5 Trillion spending bill, there is a package of $13 Billion to be gifted to Ukraine. The new Russian Ukraine, that is. We all know Putin will put that money in his pocket to pay for war costs once he installs his puppet regime.
It is more an more obvious that Biden supports Putin's destruction of the free people of Ukraine. They were a threat to Biden, Putin and Xi for the simple reason that they were a Free, Democratic and successful Capitalist system. Big Government doesn't like it when the people are free to choose.
Who are you talking about? Are you homophobic all of a sudden?The fag in Ukraine is about to find out how disposable puppets are
And The 14 billion marked for Ukraine is gonna be pilfered by globo homo inc anyway
The installed by the CIA puppet ....take a wild guessWho are you talking about? Are you homophobic all of a sudden?
If you pay attention to the news a little bit more, we wouldn't have this problem. But here ya go:You are an idiot that likes to talk like a badass and then lies about your justification. Where is your link?
www.cbsnews.com
I guess you have a death wish. Would you care to explain why we should end their world because you want to play Billy Bad Ass?
What does one have to do with the other?The installed by the CIA puppet ....take a wild guess
The US just approved 14 billion for Ukraine
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What about it?If you pay attention to the news a little bit more, we wouldn't have this problem. But here ya go:
House passes $1.5 trillion omnibus spending package, with $13.6 billion in Ukraine aid
Clocking in at 2,741 pages, the package is the culmination of bicameral and bipartisan negotiations between top Democratic and Republican appropriators.
