An Admission That The Democrat Party Was Never American.

[sealybobo]

Love to destroy it, you meant to say.

No one wants to destroy America. Who would want that? Us Democrats want to strengthen the middle class and help poor people more. Your policies want to destroy the poor and middle classes. Make America less great for them. All so the rich can get richer.

Always remember when Republicans talk about destroying America, they mean us making the rich pay a little more than they do now. That's not going to destroy America. It will just mean Musk and Zuckaberg make a little less.

Did you hear Elon is the first person ever to be worth $400 BILLION dollars?

How Rich is Too Rich For Democracy? | Common Dreams

At what point does great wealth held in a few hands actually harm democracy, threatening to turn a democratic republic into an oligarchy? It's a debate we haven't had freely and openly in this nation for nearly a century, and last week, by voting to end the Estate Tax, House Republicans tried to...

www.commondreams.org

 

[Robert W]

Prices were low before the pandemic. But prices went up before Trump left office.

Clinton had budget surpluses for fiscal years 1998–2001, the only such years from 1970 to 2023. Clinton's final four budgets were balanced budgets with surpluses, beginning with the 1997 budget.

And Bush used his surplus as a reason to pass his tax breaks. He said that was "our" money not the governments and he was giving it back. Which would have been fine if not for LYING us into a 20 year fucking war. We could have used that money huh?

Yes they were low. But think about workers. Democrats shut states down tight as a drum. When workers stay home, it is bad for the economy. But Trump never shut even 1 state down. It was Democrats Governors that ruined the economy then.

Clinton only had a single year with a surplus. I am well aware he had a surplus. But it was never planned by Clinton. It was just fortunate he was president when the dot.com boom was giving out huge profits at the time.

I happen to have been tracking the economy since Carter and knew that the planning by presidents did not always work out. Clinton was blessed that his last year he did have a surplus but he never planned he would.

Why do Democrats see helping the public as bad? Bush kept more money working for the middle class than Carter had or that Clinton had done.

General Colin Powell is who lied us into the war with Iraq. All Bush said about Saddam was he was a grave gathering danger. But he is not who talked up WMD. I know for a fact that General Powell then went to the CIA and spent 2 weeks investigating that. When he finished at the CIA he reported to the United Nations that Saddam was loaded with WMD. Was Bush supposed to call Powell a liar? Bush took his word.
General Tommy Franks wrote all about this in his fine book on that war. Franks knew what Powell told him he did.

 

[sealybobo]

Yes they were low. But think about workers. Democrats shut states down tight as a drum. When workers stay home, it is bad for the economy. But Trump never shut even 1 state down. It was Democrats Governors that ruined the economy then.

Clinton only had a single year with a surplus. I am well aware he had a surplus. But it was never planned by Clinton. It was just fortunate he was president when the dot.com boom was giving out huge profits at the time.

I happen to have been tracking the economy since Carter and knew that the planning by presidents did not always work out. Clinton was blessed that his last year he did have a surplus but he never planned he would.

Why do Democrats see helping the public as bad? Bush kept more money working for the middle class than Carter had or that Clinton had done.

General Colin Powell is who lied us into the war with Iraq. All Bush said about Saddam was he was a grave gathering danger. But he is not who talked up WMD. I know for a fact that General Powell then went to the CIA and spent 2 weeks investigating that. When he finished at the CIA he reported to the United Nations that Saddam was loaded with WMD. Was Bush supposed to call Powell a liar? Bush took his word.
General Tommy Franks wrote all about this in his fine book on that war. Franks knew what Powell told him he did.

So you are smarter than me and Donald Trump

“You know you look at the country then,” he continued. “The economy was doing great. Look at what happened during the Clinton years. I mean, we had no war, the economy was doing great, everybody was happy. A lot of people hated him because they were jealous as hell. You know people get jealous and they hate you.”

Then..

TRUMP: "Well, you know, when she first got in and was named speaker, I met her — and I'm very impressed by her. I think she's a very impressive person. I like her a lot. But I was surprised that she didn't do more in terms of Bush and going after Bush. It was almost — it just seemed like she was going to really look to impeach Bush and get him out of office, which personally I think would have been a wonderful thing."

BLITZER: "Impeaching him?"

TRUMP: "Absolutely. For the war, for the war. Well, he lied! He got us into the war with lies. And, I mean, look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant, and they tried to impeach him — which was nonsense. And yet, Bush got us into this horrible war with lies — by lying. By saying they had weapons of mass destruction. By saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true."

 

[Robert W]

Always remember when Republicans talk about destroying America, they mean us making the rich pay a little more than they do now. That's not going to destroy America. It will just mean Musk and Zuckaberg make a little less.

This is the myth of Democrats. It is jingoism at it's worst. We only salute the rich who pay the bulk of taxes supporting the USA. Check who pays the highest taxes?

I see taxes as fair when based on sales. This ensures equal treatment for all Americans. I pay sales taxes and am fine paying them. The store never demands I show them tax returns. Income taxes harm all of us. It makes people fight over this issue. Sales taxes never cause problems.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

.....not to mention that the one you are responding to is the most prodigious liar on the board.

Stuporman

Hollywack even changed the Man of Steel's "Truth, Justice, and the American Way."

 

[sealybobo]

This is the myth of Democrats. It is jingoism at it's worst. We only salute the rich who pay the bulk of taxes supporting the USA. Check who pays the highest taxes?

I see taxes as fair when based on sales. This ensures equal treatment for all Americans. I pay sales taxes and am fine paying them. The store never demands I show them tax returns. Income taxes harm all of us. It makes people fight over this issue. Sales taxes never cause problems.

You worship the rich. You must be a house slave.

The people who have most of the money pay most of the taxes. No shit sherlock. Spread some of that money around so we can start paying "our fair share". Give us our fair share we will pay our fair share.

You know what? I make less than $100K and I am saving enough for retirement. I have everything I want. This is how I know the upper middle class can afford to pay a little more in taxes. Because we are able to save and buy whatever we want. So can super rich people.

My concern is correcting our economy so that it works better for people who make less than $50K. Other than them, America is already great. And I don't need a tax break.

 

[Robert W]

So you are smarter than me and Donald Trump

“You know you look at the country then,” he continued. “The economy was doing great. Look at what happened during the Clinton years. I mean, we had no war, the economy was doing great, everybody was happy. A lot of people hated him because they were jealous as hell. You know people get jealous and they hate you.”

Then..

Look, I am very intelligent. But to me this is a false issue. My power is that I know so much about budgets and the budgets of the USA. It was just luck that I was tracking the budget both based on a president and then on results that I know a lot more than most know about Clinton's budgets. Clinton had a drab first term and 3 of his 4 years of his last term. He was hounded for being sex freak. Do you know that the woman he bit still hates his guts? She posts on Twitter all the time that she hates Clinton who raped her.

Democrats try all day long to spin history. It seems to be inbred in them. I used to be one and I was doing what you do now. I was not trying then in those years to be a liar as you are not trying. But the shit I bitched about to Republicans was pure horseshit. It still is.

I was then against Clinton because I had talked to people from Arkansas who did not like him as their governor. As President Clinton was deep in poo over his sex issues. And he was believed to be a lousy businessman over land deals.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

This is the myth of Democrats. It is jingoism at it's worst. We only salute the rich who pay the bulk of taxes supporting the USA. Check who pays the highest taxes?

I see taxes as fair when based on sales. This ensures equal treatment for all Americans. I pay sales taxes and am fine paying them. The store never demands I show them tax returns. Income taxes harm all of us. It makes people fight over this issue. Sales taxes never cause problems.

Cutting off Allowances

The income tax form should ask how the payer wants his money to be distributed, giving him the democratic right to reward or punish by percentage the various Departments. Taxpayers complaining about their money going to welfare, warfare, or whatever have no effective say under the present system.

 

[Robert W]

You worship the rich. You must be a house slave.

It is not worship. It is that I spent many of my Democrat years hating them. It did not help me earn more money to hate the group that paid the vast bulk of all taxes to the Feds. The group paying the most is in this article.


WASHINGTON (TNND) — Do wealthy Americans pay enough in taxes? While some lawmakers propose raising taxes on the United States’ highest earners to help fund other initiatives or reduce the federal deficit, there are questions as to how much progress that might yield or if tax law could be targeted more effectively.

Whether the rich and wealthy pay their “fair share” is a subjective question but government data shows that they do pay the most in volume. For tax year 2021, the most recent available data, the top 1% of earners paid nearly 46% of taxes, according to an analysis by the National Taxpayers Union, a nonprofit that favors lower taxes and a simpler code.

The top 5% pay more than 65% of federal income taxes, the highest 10% pay 75% of them and the top 25% are accountable for 89%. The bottom half of earners, who make below $46,627 a year, paid just 2% of federal personal income tax, according to the report.

Polling has also found that Americans have misconceptions about which groups of people are paying the most in federal taxes while also feeling that they are being taxed too much. A January poll from the Associated Press-NORC Center found about 60% of Americans think middle-income households shoulder the highest tax burden and only 18% correctly identified that high-income earners do so.

 

[sealybobo]

Look, I am very intelligent. But to me this is a false issue. My power is that I know so much about budgets and the budgets of the USA. It was just luck that I was tracking the budget both based on a president and then on results that I know a lot more than most know about Clinton's budgets. Clinton had a drab first term and 3 of his 4 years of his last term. He was hounded for being sex freak. Do you know that the woman he bit still hates his guts? She posts on Twitter all the time that she hates Clinton who raped her.

Democrats try all day long to spin history. It seems to be inbred in them. I used to be one and I was doing what you do now. I was not trying then in those years to be a liar as you are not trying. But the shit I bitched about to Republicans was pure horseshit. It still is.

I was then against Clinton because I had talked to people from Arkansas who did not like him as their governor. As President Clinton was deep in poo over his sex issues. And he was believed to be a lousy businessman over land deals.

Who said this in 2008?

“Look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And yet Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true,” Trump told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in 2008.

 

[sealybobo]

It is not worship. It is that I spent many of my Democrat years hating them. It did not help me earn more money to hate the group that paid the vast bulk of all taxes to the Feds. The group paying the most is in this article.


WASHINGTON (TNND) — Do wealthy Americans pay enough in taxes? While some lawmakers propose raising taxes on the United States’ highest earners to help fund other initiatives or reduce the federal deficit, there are questions as to how much progress that might yield or if tax law could be targeted more effectively.

Whether the rich and wealthy pay their “fair share” is a subjective question but government data shows that they do pay the most in volume. For tax year 2021, the most recent available data, the top 1% of earners paid nearly 46% of taxes, according to an analysis by the National Taxpayers Union, a nonprofit that favors lower taxes and a simpler code.

The top 5% pay more than 65% of federal income taxes, the highest 10% pay 75% of them and the top 25% are accountable for 89%. The bottom half of earners, who make below $46,627 a year, paid just 2% of federal personal income tax, according to the report.

Polling has also found that Americans have misconceptions about which groups of people are paying the most in federal taxes while also feeling that they are being taxed too much. A January poll from the Associated Press-NORC Center found about 60% of Americans think middle-income households shoulder the highest tax burden and only 18% correctly identified that high-income earners do so.

How old are you? I'm 54. Where do you fall?

50-somethings​

• Average net worth: $1,132,532 (ages 50-54), $1,442,075 (ages 55-59)
• Median net worth: $272,800 (ages 50-54), $320,700 (ages 55-59)

Your policies help people who fall into th average. My policies help people in the median.

 

[Robert W]

Cutting off Allowances

The income tax form should ask how the payer wants his money to be distributed, giving him the democratic right to reward or punish by percentage the various Departments. Taxpayers complaining about their money going to welfare, warfare, or whatever have no effective say under the present system.

In the USA it has sales taxes. And in the 50 states, most of them have sales taxes. Sales taxes do not cause complaints. We know we are all charged sales taxes based on the sale and not on our ability to earn an income.

When you focus on how hard you must work to please the government bosses, it is smart to charge the public based on sales knowing it causes the least of problems.

My sales taxes paid to Idaho are no problem. Idaho charges me no income tax. I happen to be luck that even the feds do not charge me income taxes. I have no gain at all by going for sales taxes. It would solve most of this nations problems to move to just a sales tax paid to the Feds.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You worship the rich. You must be a house slave.

The people who have most of the money pay most of the taxes. No shit sherlock. Spread some of that money around so we can start paying "our fair share". Give us our fair share we will pay our fair share.

You know what? I make less than $100K and I am saving enough for retirement. I have everything I want. This is how I know the upper middle class can afford to pay a little more in taxes. Because we are able to save and buy whatever we want. So can super rich people.

My concern is correcting our economy so that it works better for people who make less than $50K. Other than them, America is already great. And I don't need a tax break.

Ghost Economics

Irrelevant diatribe. Those who inherited wealth and those who made it on their own are diametrically opposed groups. Why do Americans prefer to tax the living instead of taxing the dead?

"The rich" and "the poor" are meaningless terms invented to disguise extreme differences within those groups. Winners of Sperm Bingo should have their privileges revoked. Hereditary power has caused all the horrors of history.

 

[sealybobo]

In the USA it has sales taxes. And in the 50 states, most of them have sales taxes. Sales taxes do not cause complaints. We know we are all charged sales taxes based on the sale and not on our ability to earn an income.

When you focus on how hard you must work to please the government bosses, it is smart to charge the public based on sales knowing it causes the least of problems.

My sales taxes paid to Idaho are no problem. Idaho charges me no income tax. I happen to be luck that even the feds do not charge me income taxes. I have no gain at all by going for sales taxes. It would solve most of this nations problems to move to just a sales tax paid to the Feds.

I agree income tax is unconstitutional. Should be abolished. Boy, wouldn't that be great?

 

[sealybobo]

Ghost Economics

Irrelevant diatribe. Those who inherited wealth and those who made it on their own are diametrically opposed groups. Why do Americans prefer to tax the living instead of taxing the dead?

"The rich" and "the poor" are meaningless terms invented to disguise extreme differences within those groups. Winners of Sperm Bingo should have their privileges revoked. Hereditary power has caused all the horrors of history.

I'd rather a death tax than taxing the living. Why not tax Baron Hilton when he dies? It's actually smart to tax rich people when they die. Not just because it's a better way to come up with tax dollars than to tax working people, it also keeps extreme wealth from getting out of control.

We've been warning about this for a long time

How Rich is Too Rich For Democracy? | Common Dreams

At what point does great wealth held in a few hands actually harm democracy, threatening to turn a democratic republic into an oligarchy? It's a debate we haven't had freely and openly in this nation for nearly a century, and last week, by voting to end the Estate Tax, House Republicans tried to...

www.commondreams.org

Now look at Musk. Clearly too rich for Democracy. He can purchase X and Trump and still has $400 billion dollars????

 

[Robert W]

Who said this in 2008?

“Look at the trouble Bill Clinton got into with something that was totally unimportant. And they tried to impeach him, which was nonsense. And yet Bush got us into this horrible war with lies, by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction, by saying all sorts of things that turned out not to be true,” Trump told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer in 2008.

Clinton was never impeached over sex. He lied to the grand jury and to the law.
Some say that should be excused because he was the president. Clinton was hounded as the Democrats hounded Trump and still hound Trump. Many posters would be wise to get the copy of General Tommy Franks book when he explains why he invaded Iraq and how he used the Afghanistan forces to take out the Taliban. Some think that Bush took them out but it was the Afghanistan people themselves who got rid of the Taliban with our help in money and food dropped to the citizens living there.

General Tommy Franks wrote his book so Americans knew the honest truth about both wars.

Franks was totally in command. Franks told Bush if Bush was in command, he would not fight that war. Bush told Tommy, General you are totally in command. Do what you know will work best. And Franks did just that.

The media did not do justice to our troops waging those wars.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

In the USA it has sales taxes. And in the 50 states, most of them have sales taxes. Sales taxes do not cause complaints. We know we are all charged sales taxes based on the sale and not on our ability to earn an income.

When you focus on how hard you must work to please the government bosses, it is smart to charge the public based on sales knowing it causes the least of problems.

My sales taxes paid to Idaho are no problem. Idaho charges me no income tax. I happen to be luck that even the feds do not charge me income taxes. I have no gain at all by going for sales taxes. It would solve most of this nations problems to move to just a sales tax paid to the Feds.

The Answer Is in Whatever Is Not Suggested to Us

You'd have no way of controlling how your sales tax is distributed. With an income-tax form, you do. But the wasters won't let you.

 

[sealybobo]

Clinton was never impeached over sex. He lied to the grand jury and to the law.
Some say that should be excused because he was the president. Clinton was hounded as the Democrats hounded Trump and still hound Trump. Many posters would be wise to get the copy of General Tommy Franks book when he explains why he invaded Iraq and how he used the Afghanistan forces to take out the Taliban. Some think that Bush took them out but it was the Afghanistan people themselves who got rid of the Taliban with our help in money and food dropped to the citizens living there.

General Tommy Franks wrote his book so Americans knew the honest truth about both wars.

Franks was totally in command. Franks told Bush if Bush was in command, he would not fight that war. Bush told Tommy, General you are totally in command. Do what you know will work best. And Franks did just that.

The media did not do justice to our troops waging those wars.

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So you think you are smarter than Trump. Got it. You've CONvinced yourself of this spin. Trump said it right. They lied. They knew there were no WMD's. Trump lies too. He ain't gonna bring down grocery prices.

And Trump said it best. They went after Clinton for something that was "totally not important".

Trump lied too. Please don't tell me it would have changed your vote had he lied under oath. Don't be a liar even though you aren't under oath. It's still wrong believe it or not.

 

[Robert W]

I agree income tax is unconstitutional. Should be abolished. Boy, wouldn't that be great?

A well known ex IRS agent that carried a gun to arrest us put out his report on income taxes and said that the income tax law never was correctly ratified. I believe he is correct.

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/banister.pdf

 

[sealybobo]

The Answer Is in Whatever Is Not Suggested to Us

You'd have no way of controlling how your sales tax is distributed. With an income-tax form, you do. But the wasters won't let you.

I don't know what you are saying but you made me think of what a scam income tax is. The whole process. The US government makes YOU tell them what you owe? And if you make a mistake you could get fucked? They know what you made last year. So why do I have to tell them? And look at all the companies like H&R Block who rely on this scam. It's complete horse shit.