Anti-gun talking points ….

[JoeB131]

Nobody takes you seriously when you deny the results of Dem / Socialist policies that enable criminals.

Yet the vast majority still live in those places...

 

[Hollie]

Yet the vast majority still live in those places...

Yet, you celebrate the criminals who are given an entitlement to steal at the expense of legitimate businesses which are fleeing the chaos you flail your pom poms for.

You never understood a most basic tenet that thievery is immoral and illegal.

 

[2aguy]

No, "Society" doesn't break even. They are still out the cost of that stuff and we get no benefit from locking someone up for a non-violent offense.

Locking people up doesn't make the crime situation better... it makes it worse, because when you lock up that shoplifter with a bunch of murderers and rapists (you know, people who actually belong in a prison) he's going to come out a much angrier person with no job prospects.

The rest of the world has figured this out. It's why Japan only locks up 44,000 people. They lock up the people who NEED to be locked up.

Society gets a huge benefit from locking up violent assholes...

https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/715713#:~:text=The%20estimated%20annual%20cost%20of,Supplements%3A%20supplementary%20data.

 

[AZrailwhale]

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No, "Society" doesn't break even. They are still out the cost of that stuff and we get no benefit from locking someone up for a non-violent offense.

Locking people up doesn't make the crime situation better... it makes it worse, because when you lock up that shoplifter with a bunch of murderers and rapists (you know, people who actually belong in a prison) he's going to come out a much angrier person with no job prospects.

The rest of the world has figured this out. It's why Japan only locks up 44,000 people. They lock up the people who NEED to be locked up.

Compared to the USA Japan is a crime-free society. That’s why they lock up so few people.

We get the benefit of the criminal not stealing from, beating or raping members of society while they are locked up. Society probably saves several hundred grand per prisoner every year they are locked up.

 

[JoeB131]

Yet, you celebrate the criminals who are given an entitlement to steal at the expense of legitimate businesses which are fleeing the chaos you flail your pom poms for.

Actually, guess what... Crime went down in 2022 and it continued to go down in 2023.

Crime in 2023: Murder Plummeted, Violent and Property Crime Likely Fell Nationally

These trends stand in sharp contrast with polling showing 3 in 4 Americans think crime rose this year.

jasher.substack.com

Murder is down 12.7 percent in our YTD murder dashboard as of this writing (December 7th) with a decline in 73 percent of the more than 175 cities with available data. The sample suggests either the largest or one of the largest national declines in murder on record occurred this year (both in terms of percent and absolute decline).

Society gets a huge benefit from locking up violent assholes...

First, I wasn't talking about "Violent assholes". A shoplifter isn't violent. A drug user usually isn't violent. The vast majority of people in prison are in there for NON-Violent offenses.

Compared to the USA Japan is a crime-free society. That’s why they lock up so few people.

Yeah, now why is that?

They don't let people own guns.
They don't let the mentally ill walk around untreated.
They treat their addicts.
They don't let people live in grinding poverty.

Wow. We should try that.

 

[Hollie]

Actually, guess what... Crime went down in 2022 and it continued to go down in 2023.

Crime in 2023: Murder Plummeted, Violent and Property Crime Likely Fell Nationally

These trends stand in sharp contrast with polling showing 3 in 4 Americans think crime rose this year.

jasher.substack.com

Murder is down 12.7 percent in our YTD murder dashboard as of this writing (December 7th) with a decline in 73 percent of the more than 175 cities with available data. The sample suggests either the largest or one of the largest national declines in murder on record occurred this year (both in terms of percent and absolute decline).

Guess what. Your Dem / Socialist Hell holes are dying.

America's biggest liberal cities are dying

You can hardly blame the college graduates who are making their way to Tulsa, Oklahoma, or Sioux Falls, South Dakota, among the many cities seeing an increase in working-age college graduates.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

New York City, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and Washington, D.C., are all seeing a net exodus of college graduates (as is San Jose). Those four cities were typically the finish line for those seeking jobs in media, politics, entertainment, finance, or tech. As New Yorkers used to boast, “If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.” For many college graduates, the goal was to make it in one of those four big brand cities.


No longer. All four are plagued by a crime crisis that has bled out from those icky poor areas of the cities that college graduates avoided and into the rest of the city. New York City’s public transportation isn’t safe. San Francisco is plagued by homelessness. Los Angeles actively refuses to keep violent criminals and gang members off the streets. Washington can’t even guarantee the safety of members of Congress in their own apartments.

 

[JoeB131]

Guess what. Your Dem / Socialist Hell holes are dying.

Nope, they aren't... and the Washington Examiner is a crap source.

Washington Examiner Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media

Ad Fontes Media rates the Washington Examiner, a conservative news website, as hyper-partisan left in terms of bias and as mixed reliability in terms of ...

adfontesmedia.com

 

[Hollie]

Nope, they aren't... and the Washington Examiner is a crap source.

Washington Examiner Bias and Reliability | Ad Fontes Media

Ad Fontes Media rates the Washington Examiner, a conservative news website, as hyper-partisan left in terms of bias and as mixed reliability in terms of ...

adfontesmedia.com

Yep. They are…. and your hurt feelings are funny.

Crime is making Americans flee Democratic states

Democratic states California, New York, Illinois and Oregon all saw their populations fall in the year to July 2022, while Texas and Florida grew rapidly.

www.newsweek.com

Americans are on the move, and increasingly they're choosing red states to build their lives. That was one of the key findings of U.S. Census Bureau data released in December, which showed rapid population growth in some of the most prominent Republican states in the union, while several of their Democratic counterparts have seen their populations fall.

The main reasons given for the movement, people told Newsweek, were politics, the cost of living, taxation—and crime.

 

[JoeB131]

Americans are on the move, and increasingly they're choosing red states to build their lives.

Well, that's not going to work for you. If enough of them move, they won't be red states anymore.

 

[Hollie]

Well, that's not going to work for you. If enough of them move, they won't be red states anymore.

That's odd. People who voted for the Dems / Socialists who made their lives a nightmare in their Dem / Socialist gulags would move to red states and continue the same voting habits?

That sounds like the definition of insanity.

You're suggesting your side is a pestilence like a swarm of locusts.

 

[2aguy]

Actually, guess what... Crime went down in 2022 and it continued to go down in 2023.

Crime in 2023: Murder Plummeted, Violent and Property Crime Likely Fell Nationally

These trends stand in sharp contrast with polling showing 3 in 4 Americans think crime rose this year.

jasher.substack.com

Murder is down 12.7 percent in our YTD murder dashboard as of this writing (December 7th) with a decline in 73 percent of the more than 175 cities with available data. The sample suggests either the largest or one of the largest national declines in murder on record occurred this year (both in terms of percent and absolute decline).



First, I wasn't talking about "Violent assholes". A shoplifter isn't violent. A drug user usually isn't violent. The vast majority of people in prison are in there for NON-Violent offenses.


Yeah, now why is that?

They don't let people own guns.
They don't let the mentally ill walk around untreated.
They treat their addicts.
They don't let people live in grinding poverty.

Wow. We should try that.

Hmmmm.... record levels of people buying and also carrying guns....and the murder rate is down for those years....good to know.

 

[JoeB131]

That's odd. People who voted for the Dems / Socialists who made their lives a nightmare in their Dem / Socialist gulags would move to red states and continue the same voting habits?

The question is, who is making their life hell.

We've had recessions under every Republican President since HOOVER. Republicans keep signing the bad trade deals that suck jobs out of those cities.

They might move to Jesusland to chase the jobs, but eventually, they'll realize they don't want to live in Live Action Gilead.

 

[JoeB131]

Hmmmm.... record levels of people buying and also carrying guns....and the murder rate is down for those years....good to know.

Hmmmm... we have more gun murders than any other country in the world... but everything is fine in your world because you can make up for your... shortcomings.

 

[Hollie]

The question is, who is making their life hell.

We've had recessions under every Republican President since HOOVER. Republicans keep signing the bad trade deals that suck jobs out of those cities.

They might move to Jesusland to chase the jobs, but eventually, they'll realize they don't want to live in Live Action Gilead.

The fact is, we know who is making Hell holes out of Dem / Socialist controlled cities - it's Dems / Socialists and their criminal enabling, drug addiction enabling, lawlessness is a virtue policies.

Your whining, "I Blame everyone else", excuses are laughable. I gave you links to articles describing exactly why people are fleeing Dem / Socialist Hell holes but the mind-numbing allegiance to the disease of leftism leaves you unable to face a reality based worldview.

 

[JoeB131]

The fact is, we know who is making Hell holes

yawn, Chatbot... your generated responses are boring.