'Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic'?

[Phoenall]

An interesting article...

I think the title is 'wrong' however...

I just don't buy into the 'zionist' belief that any word said against the Israeli government and policies is 'anti-semitic'...

If I were to make a negative comment about the South African government, for example, that would not make me a racist...

5 Intellectuals Smash the Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic Argument

Anti-Israeli government is not the same as anti-Semitism. Two different things. It's like saying if you are against the US government, you hate all Americans.

Of course,if the Jews have the right to reclaim the land they lost (after they had taken it from others some years earlier), then so do all the other previous owners of just about any country on Earth. The Native Americans are, by this logic, entitled to reclaim Canada, USA, Mexico, etc, treat the 'invaders' with utter contempt, block their access to essential services, and retaliate ferociously when any of them dare to resist.

They can try of course. Good luck with that. lol

But seriously; the Pals DO have rights but you must recall that most of the ME was owned by absent Landlords in Lebanon and Turkey(the Ottomans). The Pals have Jordan and any number of CLAIMS but they need to be settled by legal means. You have heard of the Levy Report??

The report concludes that Israel's presence in the West Bank is not an occupation,[3] and that the Israeli settlements are legal under international law.[4] It recommends the legalization of unauthorized Jewish settlement outposts by the state,[3] and provides proposals for new guidelines for settlement construction.[1]

In May 2014, it was reported that the Government was covertly carrying out the recommendations of the Report.[5]

Levy Report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dispute it in the Courts!!

Greg

A report created by Zionist , come on now, not worth the paper its wrote on.

WHY ? what makes it any different to a report saying the same thing written by a Catholic, muslim, Hindu, Sikh or Atheist.

APART FROM YOUR JEW HATRED AND NAZI IDEOLOGY

 

[Mindful]

Marxist theory believes that Jews survived in the Middle Ages because they provided an economic function as money lenders. Because capitalism does not need Jewish money lenders, Marxists believe Jews should have disappeared from trace by now; our failure to do so ruins their theory.

 

[Phoenall]

An interesting article...

I think the title is 'wrong' however...

I just don't buy into the 'zionist' belief that any word said against the Israeli government and policies is 'anti-semitic'...

If I were to make a negative comment about the South African government, for example, that would not make me a racist...

5 Intellectuals Smash the Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic Argument

Anti-Israeli government is not the same as anti-Semitism. Two different things. It's like saying if you are against the US government, you hate all Americans.

Of course,if the Jews have the right to reclaim the land they lost (after they had taken it from others some years earlier), then so do all the other previous owners of just about any country on Earth. The Native Americans are, by this logic, entitled to reclaim Canada, USA, Mexico, etc, treat the 'invaders' with utter contempt, block their access to essential services, and retaliate ferociously when any of them dare to resist.

They can try of course. Good luck with that. lol

But seriously; the Pals DO have rights but you must recall that most of the ME was owned by absent Landlords in Lebanon and Turkey(the Ottomans). The Pals have Jordan and any number of CLAIMS but they need to be settled by legal means. You have heard of the Levy Report??

The report concludes that Israel's presence in the West Bank is not an occupation,[3] and that the Israeli settlements are legal under international law.[4] It recommends the legalization of unauthorized Jewish settlement outposts by the state,[3] and provides proposals for new guidelines for settlement construction.[1]

In May 2014, it was reported that the Government was covertly carrying out the recommendations of the Report.[5]

Levy Report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dispute it in the Courts!!

Greg

A report created by Zionist , come on now, not worth the paper its wrote on.

Then you won't have any problems challenging it in Court, will you?? lmao

Greg

They are above the courts and also the UN.

PROOF OF YOUR RACIST CLAIM

 

[Humanity]

Of course it is, Zionism is the basic belief in native rights. That indigenous people shouldn't be forcefully removed from their native homeland.

Anti Zionist is clearly anti Israeli and anti Judaic, since todays Israeli's are the same native people that countless Arab Muslim pogroms attempted to eradicate from the Judaic homeland.

Your racism is once again glaringly apparent

Oh the stupid flag troll returns...

Of course it is IF you are a blind zionut...

Correct the indigenous people should not be forced to leave their land by Europeans, common sense, unfortunately something you are lacking!

Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-zionist, is NOT anti-semitic...

I'm not a racist, and racism has NOTHING to do with Jews you schuck...

Jeez, open your eyes, smell the coffee and see if you can try and hold a sensible debate...

Oh, and you might want to check out this link... Is a 'good'(?) video, the guy is slightly 'confused' but makes some good points... Go on, give it a go, try and educate yourself!

The difference between anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel

 

[Mindful]

Jew-hate. A guide for the perplexed.

Jew-hate: a guide for the perplexed | The Jewish Chronicle

 

[Humanity]

Of course it is, Zionism is the basic belief in native rights. That indigenous people shouldn't be forcefully removed from their native homeland.

Anti Zionist is clearly anti Israeli and anti Judaic, since todays Israeli's are the same native people that countless Arab Muslim pogroms attempted to eradicate from the Judaic homeland.

Your racism is once again glaringly apparent

No they are not. They are Russian and Ukrainians.

Yikes, more lies that simply don't stand up to scrutiny

Only about 35% of all Israeli's today returned from all of Europe and the America's combined. Less than half of those returned from former Russian states

See
Statistical Abstract of Israel, 2009, CBS. "Table 2.24 – Jews, by country of origin and age"

So the majority then!

52.5% by YOUR calculations!

 

[Mindful]

Of course it is, Zionism is the basic belief in native rights. That indigenous people shouldn't be forcefully removed from their native homeland.

Anti Zionist is clearly anti Israeli and anti Judaic, since todays Israeli's are the same native people that countless Arab Muslim pogroms attempted to eradicate from the Judaic homeland.

Your racism is once again glaringly apparent

Oh the stupid flag troll returns...

Of course it is IF you are a blind zionut...

Correct the indigenous people should not be forced to leave their land by Europeans, common sense, unfortunately something you are lacking!

Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-zionist, is NOT anti-semitic...

I'm not a racist, and racism has NOTHING to do with Jews you schuck...

Jeez, open your eyes, smell the coffee and see if you can try and hold a sensible debate...

Oh, and you might want to check out this link... Is a 'good'(?) video, the guy is slightly 'confused' but makes some good points... Go on, give it a go, try and educate yourself!

The difference between anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel

The fact that you direct it specifically at Jews, makes it anti Semitic.

 

[Humanity]

An interesting article...

I think the title is 'wrong' however...

I just don't buy into the 'zionist' belief that any word said against the Israeli government and policies is 'anti-semitic'...

If I were to make a negative comment about the South African government, for example, that would not make me a racist...

5 Intellectuals Smash the Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic Argument

It would if you did it in the same manner you racially attack the Jews, calling them zionuts, hasbara and Zionists to inflame and instill hatred.

The fact is Labour have been anti Jew for many years and are no longer able to cover it up since they lost control of the courts and legal system.

Idiot!

Try and address the topic Phoney or don't bother commenting!

The OP is not about the Labour party...

 

[Humanity]

An interesting article...

I think the title is 'wrong' however...

I just don't buy into the 'zionist' belief that any word said against the Israeli government and policies is 'anti-semitic'...

If I were to make a negative comment about the South African government, for example, that would not make me a racist...

5 Intellectuals Smash the Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic Argument

Anti-Israeli government is not the same as anti-Semitism. Two different things. It's like saying if you are against the US government, you hate all Americans.

Of course,if the Jews have the right to reclaim the land they lost (after they had taken it from others some years earlier), then so do all the other previous owners of just about any country on Earth. The Native Americans are, by this logic, entitled to reclaim Canada, USA, Mexico, etc, treat the 'invaders' with utter contempt, block their access to essential services, and retaliate ferociously when any of them dare to resist.

They can try of course. Good luck with that. lol

But seriously; the Pals DO have rights but you must recall that most of the ME was owned by absent Landlords in Lebanon and Turkey(the Ottomans). The Pals have Jordan and any number of CLAIMS but they need to be settled by legal means. You have heard of the Levy Report??

The report concludes that Israel's presence in the West Bank is not an occupation,[3] and that the Israeli settlements are legal under international law.[4] It recommends the legalization of unauthorized Jewish settlement outposts by the state,[3] and provides proposals for new guidelines for settlement construction.[1]

In May 2014, it was reported that the Government was covertly carrying out the recommendations of the Report.[5]

Levy Report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dispute it in the Courts!!

Greg

A report created by Zionist , come on now, not worth the paper its wrote on.

Then you won't have any problems challenging it in Court, will you?? lmao

Greg

They are above the courts and also the UN.

PROOF OF YOUR RACIST CLAIM

PROOF IT'S A RACIST CLAIM!

 

[Humanity]

Of course it is, Zionism is the basic belief in native rights. That indigenous people shouldn't be forcefully removed from their native homeland.

Anti Zionist is clearly anti Israeli and anti Judaic, since todays Israeli's are the same native people that countless Arab Muslim pogroms attempted to eradicate from the Judaic homeland.

Your racism is once again glaringly apparent

Oh the stupid flag troll returns...

Of course it is IF you are a blind zionut...

Correct the indigenous people should not be forced to leave their land by Europeans, common sense, unfortunately something you are lacking!

Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-zionist, is NOT anti-semitic...

I'm not a racist, and racism has NOTHING to do with Jews you schuck...

Jeez, open your eyes, smell the coffee and see if you can try and hold a sensible debate...

Oh, and you might want to check out this link... Is a 'good'(?) video, the guy is slightly 'confused' but makes some good points... Go on, give it a go, try and educate yourself!

The difference between anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel

The fact that you direct it specifically at Jews, makes it anti Semitic.

Direct WHAT at Jews?

You Israel apologists need to wake up...

You are a 'clever'(?) zionut, show me where, in my posts, I have been "anti semitic" and I will immediately turn myself into the authorities!

 

[Mindful]

Of course it is, Zionism is the basic belief in native rights. That indigenous people shouldn't be forcefully removed from their native homeland.

Anti Zionist is clearly anti Israeli and anti Judaic, since todays Israeli's are the same native people that countless Arab Muslim pogroms attempted to eradicate from the Judaic homeland.

Your racism is once again glaringly apparent

Oh the stupid flag troll returns...

Of course it is IF you are a blind zionut...

Correct the indigenous people should not be forced to leave their land by Europeans, common sense, unfortunately something you are lacking!

Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-zionist, is NOT anti-semitic...

I'm not a racist, and racism has NOTHING to do with Jews you schuck...

Jeez, open your eyes, smell the coffee and see if you can try and hold a sensible debate...

Oh, and you might want to check out this link... Is a 'good'(?) video, the guy is slightly 'confused' but makes some good points... Go on, give it a go, try and educate yourself!

The difference between anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel

The fact that you direct it specifically at Jews, makes it anti Semitic.

Direct WHAT at Jews?

You Israel apologists need to wake up...

You are a 'clever'(?) zionut, show me where, in my posts, I have been "anti semitic" and I will immediately turn myself into the authorities!

You're too over the top and hysterical for any reasoned discussion.

 

[Humanity]

Of course it is, Zionism is the basic belief in native rights. That indigenous people shouldn't be forcefully removed from their native homeland.

Anti Zionist is clearly anti Israeli and anti Judaic, since todays Israeli's are the same native people that countless Arab Muslim pogroms attempted to eradicate from the Judaic homeland.

Your racism is once again glaringly apparent

Oh the stupid flag troll returns...

Of course it is IF you are a blind zionut...

Correct the indigenous people should not be forced to leave their land by Europeans, common sense, unfortunately something you are lacking!

Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-zionist, is NOT anti-semitic...

I'm not a racist, and racism has NOTHING to do with Jews you schuck...

Jeez, open your eyes, smell the coffee and see if you can try and hold a sensible debate...

Oh, and you might want to check out this link... Is a 'good'(?) video, the guy is slightly 'confused' but makes some good points... Go on, give it a go, try and educate yourself!

The difference between anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel

The fact that you direct it specifically at Jews, makes it anti Semitic.

Direct WHAT at Jews?

You Israel apologists need to wake up...

You are a 'clever'(?) zionut, show me where, in my posts, I have been "anti semitic" and I will immediately turn myself into the authorities!

You're too over the top and hysterical for any reasoned discussion.

And you are too dumb for any possible debate...

Go get some education and you might find people will actually bother to have a discussion with you..

Or is it that you post BS and simply can't support a single word you write?

 

[Mindful]

Of course it is, Zionism is the basic belief in native rights. That indigenous people shouldn't be forcefully removed from their native homeland.

Anti Zionist is clearly anti Israeli and anti Judaic, since todays Israeli's are the same native people that countless Arab Muslim pogroms attempted to eradicate from the Judaic homeland.

Your racism is once again glaringly apparent

Oh the stupid flag troll returns...

Of course it is IF you are a blind zionut...

Correct the indigenous people should not be forced to leave their land by Europeans, common sense, unfortunately something you are lacking!

Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-zionist, is NOT anti-semitic...

I'm not a racist, and racism has NOTHING to do with Jews you schuck...

Jeez, open your eyes, smell the coffee and see if you can try and hold a sensible debate...

Oh, and you might want to check out this link... Is a 'good'(?) video, the guy is slightly 'confused' but makes some good points... Go on, give it a go, try and educate yourself!

The difference between anti-Zionism and criticism of Israel

The fact that you direct it specifically at Jews, makes it anti Semitic.

Direct WHAT at Jews?

You Israel apologists need to wake up...

You are a 'clever'(?) zionut, show me where, in my posts, I have been "anti semitic" and I will immediately turn myself into the authorities!

You're too over the top and hysterical for any reasoned discussion.

And you are too dumb for any possible debate...

Go get some education and you might find people will actually bother to have a discussion with you..

Or is it that you post BS and simply can't support a single word you write?

You've made the case.

Once it gets to personal abuse, it's over.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Of course,if the Jews have the right to reclaim the land they lost (after they had taken it from others some years earlier), then so do all the other previous owners of just about any country on Earth. The Native Americans are, by this logic, entitled to reclaim Canada, USA, Mexico, etc, treat the 'invaders' with utter contempt, block their access to essential services, and retaliate ferociously when any of them dare to resist.

They can try of course. Good luck with that. lol

But seriously; the Pals DO have rights but you must recall that most of the ME was owned by absent Landlords in Lebanon and Turkey(the Ottomans). The Pals have Jordan and any number of CLAIMS but they need to be settled by legal means. You have heard of the Levy Report??

The report concludes that Israel's presence in the West Bank is not an occupation,[3] and that the Israeli settlements are legal under international law.[4] It recommends the legalization of unauthorized Jewish settlement outposts by the state,[3] and provides proposals for new guidelines for settlement construction.[1]

In May 2014, it was reported that the Government was covertly carrying out the recommendations of the Report.[5]

Levy Report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dispute it in the Courts!!

Greg

Agree, except not in Israel's kangaroo court.

 

[Shusha]

...Criticizing Israel is NOT anti-zionist, is NOT anti-semitic...

...You are a 'clever'(?) zionut, show me where, in my posts, I have been "anti semitic" and I will immediately turn myself into the authorities!

Criticizing the policies or actions of Israel is not anti-semitic, of itself. But every time you post the word "zionut" you are failing to criticize Israel's policies or actions. Instead you are creating a negative label which applies to all Zionists. And THAT, alone, my friend, is proof that you are something other than merely a critic of Israel.

From your posts, I gather that you reject the idea of a Jewish liberation movement, Jewish native rights and Jewish self-determination. Rejecting these things is not equivalent to "criticizing Israel".

Personally, I would love to see your posts have more substance than merely labelling us all zionuts -- especially as I am quite sure that you have, on occasion, said that you support the rights of both peoples and favour a two state solution.

 

[Moonglow]

 

[Shusha]

Of course,if the Jews have the right to reclaim the land they lost (after they had taken it from others some years earlier), then so do all the other previous owners of just about any country on Earth. The Native Americans are, by this logic, entitled to reclaim Canada, USA, Mexico, etc, treat the 'invaders' with utter contempt, block their access to essential services, and retaliate ferociously when any of them dare to resist.

Of course all indigenous peoples have rights -- including rights to self-determination and even sovereignty over portions of the territory, as negotiated with the current sovereigns. Why wouldn't they?

The rest is not a criticism of Israel, but a vilification of Israel. What is the difference? Emotional language meant to to evoke a reaction. Assignation of intent. Lies and half truths.

 

[Coyote]

Is anti-Zionism anti-semitism?

I think that is hard to answer because I do not think there is one clear definition of Zionism and the term seems to be used in many different ways and it seems to have many different meanings among Jews as well.

Haaretz has a good article on this:

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/defi...-to-the-entire-jewish-people.premium-1.525064

...If so, how would we define who is a Zionist, starting from the emergence of the Zionist movement as inspired by Theodor Herzl and his associates? Here is the definition: A Zionist is a person who desires or supports the establishment of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, which in the future will become the state of the Jewish people. This is based on what Herzl said: “In Basel I founded the Jewish state.”​

The key word in this definition is “state,” and its natural location is the Land of Israel because of the Jewish people’s historical link to it. Thus my grandfather’s grandfather, for example, who came to the Land of Israel from Thessaloniki in the mid-19th century, cannot be considered a Zionist. He came to settle in the Land of Israel, not to establish a state here. This is also the rule for the ancestors of Neturei Karta and other Hasidic groups that came to the Land of Israel as far back as the 17th and 18th centuries, and who remain loyal to it. Not only were these Jews not interested in establishing a Jewish state, but they include some who saw − and still see − the State of Israel as an abomination and a desecration of God’s name.

A Zionist, therefore, is a Jew who supported the establishment of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, and not necessarily one who actually settled in the land. Herzl himself and many Zionist leaders never settled in the land, yet you wouldn’t hesitate to call them Zionists. Even today, the members of Zionist federations worldwide are considered Zionists by us and by themselves, even though they don’t live in Israel.​

...Ever since the State of Israel was founded in 1948, the definition of “Zionist” has been revised, since we don’t need to establish another state. Therefore, its definition is as follows: A Zionist is a person who accepts the principle that the State of Israel doesn’t belong solely to its citizens, but to the entire Jewish people. The practical expression of this commitment is the Law of Return. ​

Interesting take on it, because it also points out that a lot of the issues and struggles Israel deals with really have nothing to do with Zionism but are issues facing many other countries as well.

Here is another question though - does Zionism affect territorial aquisition? Is the desire to settle the Occupied Territories with Jews an expression of Zionism as a desire to regain all of what was once the ancient Kingdom of Israel and is criticizing that anti-semitism? I would say no.

I always associated "Zionism" with "Manifest Destiny" - a concept that there was a right, given by God, to a territory.

 

[Lipush]

An interesting article...

I think the title is 'wrong' however...

I just don't buy into the 'zionist' belief that any word said against the Israeli government and policies is 'anti-semitic'...

If I were to make a negative comment about the South African government, for example, that would not make me a racist...

5 Intellectuals Smash the Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic Argument

Being Anti-Semite, or admitting of widely hating all Jews, is not "politically correct" anymore.

However, being against Israel is fashionable and overly acceptable.

So what do people do? They claim they don't like the Zionist regime and its treatment ofthe Palestinians, and by the way, only by going deep into it, they'll tell you Jews don't need a state, that they control the world, guilty of all mid-eadt problems, and when they're killed, it's their own fault.

But hey... Don't call them antisemites! That's the Hasbara speaking

 

[P F Tinmore]

Is anti-Zionism anti-semitism?

I think that is hard to answer because I do not think there is one clear definition of Zionism and the term seems to be used in many different ways and it seems to have many different meanings among Jews as well.

Haaretz has a good article on this:

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/defi...-to-the-entire-jewish-people.premium-1.525064

...If so, how would we define who is a Zionist, starting from the emergence of the Zionist movement as inspired by Theodor Herzl and his associates? Here is the definition: A Zionist is a person who desires or supports the establishment of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, which in the future will become the state of the Jewish people. This is based on what Herzl said: “In Basel I founded the Jewish state.”​

The key word in this definition is “state,” and its natural location is the Land of Israel because of the Jewish people’s historical link to it. Thus my grandfather’s grandfather, for example, who came to the Land of Israel from Thessaloniki in the mid-19th century, cannot be considered a Zionist. He came to settle in the Land of Israel, not to establish a state here. This is also the rule for the ancestors of Neturei Karta and other Hasidic groups that came to the Land of Israel as far back as the 17th and 18th centuries, and who remain loyal to it. Not only were these Jews not interested in establishing a Jewish state, but they include some who saw − and still see − the State of Israel as an abomination and a desecration of God’s name.

A Zionist, therefore, is a Jew who supported the establishment of a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, and not necessarily one who actually settled in the land. Herzl himself and many Zionist leaders never settled in the land, yet you wouldn’t hesitate to call them Zionists. Even today, the members of Zionist federations worldwide are considered Zionists by us and by themselves, even though they don’t live in Israel.​

...Ever since the State of Israel was founded in 1948, the definition of “Zionist” has been revised, since we don’t need to establish another state. Therefore, its definition is as follows: A Zionist is a person who accepts the principle that the State of Israel doesn’t belong solely to its citizens, but to the entire Jewish people. The practical expression of this commitment is the Law of Return. ​

Interesting take on it, because it also points out that a lot of the issues and struggles Israel deals with really have nothing to do with Zionism but are issues facing many other countries as well.

Here is another question though - does Zionism affect territorial aquisition? Is the desire to settle the Occupied Territories with Jews an expression of Zionism as a desire to regain all of what was once the ancient Kingdom of Israel and is criticizing that anti-semitism? I would say no.

I always associated "Zionism" with "Manifest Destiny" - a concept that there was a right, given by God, to a territory.

This video has more sanity than most people can handle. The difference between homeland and state is explained quite simply @ 6:50