Asian freedom alliance

[wade]

No need to take over the world. We (the Western powers) just need to get together and establish policies and penalties.

Yes, they can lie, but they will also get caught. If the penalties are sufficent they will decide it is not worth cheating.

You do not think the progression of the US working class into a sector that recieves subsistance wages is not the equivalent of a limited form of slavery?

Wade.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

No need to take over the world. We (the Western powers) just need to get together and establish policies and penalties.

And when countries do not abide should there be a military enforcement? The U.N. has shown it's failure to enforce.

Yes, they can lie, but they will also get caught. If the penalties are sufficent they will decide it is not worth cheating.

Again, what will happen when they get caught? Nothing? Like the French wanted with saddam?

You do not think the progression of the US working class into a sector that recieves subsistance wages is not the equivalent of a limited form of slavery?

Wade.

Progression into a sector? como?

Stop your negative rhetoric and give a solution.

 

[wade]

And when countries do not abide should there be a military enforcement? The U.N. has shown it's failure to enforce.

...

Again, what will happen when they get caught? Nothing? Like the French wanted with saddam?

Economic sanctions would be sufficient. All that is needed is for a significant majority to agree on sactions and apply them to those who do not obey AND those who do not abide by the sanctions. I.e. if France were to refuse to abide by sanctions on Indochina for use of child labor, those sanctions would then apply to France as well.

Progression into a sector? como?

the working class prgressing into a sector of the enconomy.... sorry was trying to keep it brief... I have very limited time to spend on this board today.

Stop your negative rhetoric and give a solution.

I did give a solution --- where is your solution?

I find it interesting you ignore the most sigificant part of my post...

We are in real trouble. The national debt is huge, and the consumer debt is astounding. Inevitably, this must bring inflation. Inflation will make our bonds very unattractive, and without bond sales, the cheap credit will dry up over night, consequently consumer spending will dry up, and the country will be thrown very quickly into a very harsh recession. If this is really bad, people will start to default on their debts, then the price of housing will fall and banks will no longer feel secure about the collateral behind their outsanding home lones, etc., etc., ... and walla ---> depression.

Wade.

 

[Annie]

Economic sanctions would be sufficient. All that is needed is for a significant majority to agree on sactions and apply them to those who do not obey AND those who do not abide by the sanctions. I.e. if France were to refuse to abide by sanctions on Indochina for use of child labor, those sanctions would then apply to France as well.



the working class prgressing into a sector of the enconomy.... sorry was trying to keep it brief... I have very limited time to spend on this board today.



I did give a solution --- where is your solution?

I find it interesting you ignore the most sigificant part of my post...


Wade.

Cool Wade. And tell us, how are you going to get the UN members to put in place those sanctions? And if they do, but Iran continues, then what?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Economic sanctions would be sufficient. All that is needed is for a significant majority to agree on sactions and apply them to those who do not obey AND those who do not abide by the sanctions. I.e. if France were to refuse to abide by sanctions on Indochina for use of child labor, those sanctions would then apply to France as well.



the working class prgressing into a sector of the enconomy.... sorry was trying to keep it brief... I have very limited time to spend on this board today.



I did give a solution --- where is your solution?

I find it interesting you ignore the most sigificant part of my post...


Wade.

It's sad you still have faith in the toothless morally bankrupt institution known as the U.N. Haven't you noticed it's abject failure?

This economy is not as bad as you make out. Quit being a hand wringer.

My solution: http://www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm


Dig it, yo!

 

[wade]

Cool Wade. And tell us, how are you going to get the UN members to put in place those sanctions? And if they do, but Iran continues, then what?

Who said anything about the UN? It would require a new body that does not include a big 5 with veto power and which is empowered to dictate certain policies to the World Bank.

And who cares if Iran chooses to continue bying from (for example) indochina. That simply puts Iran on the list of countries which must endure the sanctions - anything from an increased tariff, fines enforced through the world bank, or an embargo.

Wade.

 

[wade]

It's sad you still have faith in the toothless morally bankrupt institution known as the U.N. Haven't you noticed it's abject failure?

This economy is not as bad as you make out. Quit being a hand wringer.

My solution: http://www.newamericancentury.org/aboutpnac.htm


Dig it, yo!

Umm... as I said to Kathianne, who said anything about the UN? (see my reply to her).

The Economy is as bad as I make it out to be. It is just hidden by cheap money - but that won't last. It really does not matter who wins this next election - the US economy is headed for the shitter.

I'll read over that link later when I have time. But... that is not "your solution", that is someone elses. Again I point to the fact that you have no real positions of your own - all you do is choose which neocon to follow.

Wade.

 

[Zhukov]

"no prisoner labor" is another.

What's wrong with prisoner labor?

 

[Annie]

What's wrong with prisoner labor?

I was thinking the same thing, but was too tired to deal with Wade at the time.

 

[wade]

What's wrong with prisoner labor?

It is okay, to a degree, for products to be sold within your own nation (like licence plates). But it is unacceptable for exported goods. It is a form of slave labor and thus not not fair from a competitive viewpoint. And it is immoral to import such goods encouraging a regime to imprison people for profit.

Kathianne - I expect such ridiculous comments from Zhukov, he's a fascist after all. But you??? I thought you had at least a little common sense and moral fiber.

Wade.

 

[Annie]

It is okay, to a degree, for products to be sold within your own nation (like licence plates). But it is unacceptable for exported goods. It is a form of slave labor and thus not not fair from a competitive viewpoint. And it is immoral to import such goods encouraging a regime to imprison people for profit.

Kathianne - I expect such ridiculous comments from Zhukov, he's a fascist after all. But you??? I thought you had at least a little common sense and moral fiber.

Wade.

I was speaking of within our own country. I believe you misunderstand Zhukov, but that's your problem.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Umm... as I said to Kathianne, who said anything about the UN? (see my reply to her).

The Economy is as bad as I make it out to be. It is just hidden by cheap money - but that won't last. It really does not matter who wins this next election - the US economy is headed for the shitter.

I'll read over that link later when I have time. But... that is not "your solution", that is someone elses. Again I point to the fact that you have no real positions of your own - all you do is choose which neocon to follow.

Wade.

No. The economy is simply not that bad. Quit fear mongering. Your solution seems to be whining and diplomatic solutions, proven failures.

You want to issue proclamations about things that just should happen. How do you plan on enforcing them?

I still believe you are fundamentally antiamerican. Some socialist professor of yours probably told you it was cool and you never looked back. THink for yourself, poseur.

 

[wade]

I did explain how they'd be enforced. What's your problem?

And the economy is every bit as bad as I've said. You just don't seem to understand the implications of the national debt or the huge credit loading that has been going on for quite some time now. Look at the jobs being created - most are in the public sector, and in the private sector they are mostly merchandising (sales clerk) positions - these do not really indicate any real growth in the economy. 10 years from now everyone will be an insurance salesman (a product requiring no production) trying to sell insurance to each other!

Next year, when interest rates have risen to 10%+ and inflation has risen to 7%+, you will see that I am right. And that will only be the beginning.

Wade.

 

[Annie]

I did explain how they'd be enforced. What's your problem?

And the economy is every bit as bad as I've said. You just don't seem to understand the implications of the national debt or the huge credit loading that has been going on for quite some time now. Look at the jobs being created - most are in the public sector, and in the private sector they are mostly merchandising (sales clerk) positions - these do not really indicate any real growth in the economy. 10 years from now everyone will be an insurance salesman (a product requiring no production) trying to sell insurance to each other!

Next year, when interest rates have risen to 10%+ and inflation has risen to 7%+, you will see that I am right. And that will only be the beginning.

Wade.

What are you basing this on? Assuming you are correct, which is a major assumption, my first house had a rate of 17.9%. The top rates on credit were established during this period, which was followed by the Clinton years, of cheap credit! The US could withstand this, if it were to come to pass, which is not likely.

 

[Zhukov]

It is okay....for products to be sold within your own nation. But it is unacceptable for exported goods.

Why?

And it is immoral to import such goods encouraging a regime to imprison people for profit.

No. It would be immoral to encourage a regime to unjustly imprison people for profits sake. Simply importing said goods could not be considered immoral in and of itself.

If we imported the products of prison labor from the UK I seriously doubt they would, upon examination of the profit margin, decide to imprison more people.

Nation's like China are of course another matter.

 

[Zhukov]

What's wrong with prisoner labor?

I'd expect such ridiculous comments from Zhukov

and yet

It is okay, to a degree

Does that make you ridiculous, to a degree?

 

[Annie]

and yet



Does that make you ridiculous, to a degree?

to a degree. But what degree? LOL

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I did explain how they'd be enforced. What's your problem?

What was that method again? Scout's honor?

 

[supermarine]

We have gone off topic, we went from a strategy to stop china, to how bad our own economy is, to how facist zhukov is(im not sayin ur a facist). lets assume for arguments sake that chinas economy is too strong, or somthing like that, we cant stop them economically. we have to intimidate them through a military alliance. Lets press the issue!

 

[wade]

zhukov

No, it just shows how you are willing to cut bits out of a post and misrepresent what they are saying. You are intentionally putting what I posted out of context. I had simply accepted your position, as a believer in authoritarian rule, a reasonable if dispicable point of view.

You now have zero credibilty and I will no longer be repling to your posts.