Ban cars now...they are lethal weapons....

[2aguy]

there was a car attack in Europe...Austiria.....in America cars,kill 35,000 people and injure 2.31 million....and if crazies turn them into weapons.......? Ban them now before it is too late....


Man runs car into crowd killing 3 injuring 34 in Austria - Breitbart

 

[Hamlet091765]

Were cars designed and manufactured with the intent to kill living things?

 

[Grandma]

Y'know, 2, you might have something there.

Let's get gun owner trained by pros for 3 months before they can be licensed to own and operate a gun. The prospective owner must take a written and performance test, and pass a universal background check Upon receiving his license, the lucky new gun owner is automatically registered to vote, is automatically registered for jury duty, and is automatically registered as an organ donor.

Of course the gun owner must have proof of insurance for each gun owned.

 

[2aguy]

Were cars designed and manufactured with the intent to kill living things?

Well...neither were guns....guns were designed to save the life of the user.

 

[2aguy]

Y'know, 2, you might have something there.

Let's get gun owner trained by pros for 3 months before they can be licensed to own and operate a gun. The prospective owner must take a written and performance test, and pass a universal background check Upon receiving his license, the lucky new gun owner is automatically registered to vote, is automatically registered for jury duty, and is automatically registered as an organ donor.

Of course the gun owner must have proof of insurance for each gun owned.

Except guns aren't complicated, a half hour is all you need for the basics...if that, and any registration or written test is unconstitutional...since poll taxes and literacy tests are illegal for voting rights. But the democrats used poll taxes and literacy tests to deny blacks the right to vote...anti gun extremists want to use licensing, registration and permits as well as fees for classes as a means to deny Americans their right to self defense......

So no....not an option or necessry for that matter.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Were cars designed and manufactured with the intent to kill living things?

are pop tarts?
Pop Tart suspension should be upheld school official says - CBS News

 

[Montrovant]

Were cars designed and manufactured with the intent to kill living things?

Well...neither were guns....guns were designed to save the life of the user.

You base this assertion on what, exactly?

And how do you think guns save the life of the user, if not by injuring or killing whatever is putting the user in danger?

I'm for the right to bear arms, but this comparison between guns and automobiles is and always has been foolish. The car is designed for allowing fast travel. The gun is designed to injure or kill. Whether that is for hunting, protection, or aggression doesn't change the basic function of firearms. Automobiles can absolutely be used to injure or kill, but that is not an inherent part of their function.

 

[bgr39]

Were cars designed and manufactured with the intent to kill living things?

Well...neither were guns....guns were designed to save the life of the user.

You base this assertion on what, exactly?

And how do you think guns save the life of the user, if not by injuring or killing whatever is putting the user in danger?

I'm for the right to bear arms, but this comparison between guns and automobiles is and always has been foolish. The car is designed for allowing fast travel. The gun is designed to injure or kill. Whether that is for hunting, protection, or aggression doesn't change the basic function of firearms. Automobiles can absolutely be used to injure or kill, but that is not an inherent part of their function.

Many guns are designed for target-shooting, they are not designed for killing ANYTHING.
Many people buy guns only to target-shoot, they do not use them for killing ANYTHING.

 

[HenryBHough]

Myself I find long guns the perfect tool for gathering food.

And I am NOT a Kenyan cannibal.

Of course liberals believe that no cattle die that they might enjoy their filet mignon. Nay, there meat is made from seeds and grasses in the back room at the supermarket. At least they have themselves convinced of that.

 

[bgr39]

Were cars designed and manufactured with the intent to kill living things?

Well...neither were guns....guns were designed to save the life of the user.

You base this assertion on what, exactly?

And how do you think guns save the life of the user, if not by injuring or killing whatever is putting the user in danger?

I'm for the right to bear arms, but this comparison between guns and automobiles is and always has been foolish. The car is designed for allowing fast travel. The gun is designed to injure or kill. Whether that is for hunting, protection, or aggression doesn't change the basic function of firearms. Automobiles can absolutely be used to injure or kill, but that is not an inherent part of their function.

BTW, guns can be used to save the life of the user without injuring or killing ANYONE.
MANY lives are saved just by the presence of a gun in the hands of a law-abiding citizen.

 

[Montrovant]

Were cars designed and manufactured with the intent to kill living things?

Well...neither were guns....guns were designed to save the life of the user.

You base this assertion on what, exactly?

And how do you think guns save the life of the user, if not by injuring or killing whatever is putting the user in danger?

I'm for the right to bear arms, but this comparison between guns and automobiles is and always has been foolish. The car is designed for allowing fast travel. The gun is designed to injure or kill. Whether that is for hunting, protection, or aggression doesn't change the basic function of firearms. Automobiles can absolutely be used to injure or kill, but that is not an inherent part of their function.

Many guns are designed for target-shooting, they are not designed for killing ANYTHING.
Many people buy guns only to target-shoot, they do not use them for killing ANYTHING.

And someone might design a car with the intent to kill. That doesn't change what the most basic function, the original intent, is about. When guns were created, it was not because someone wanted to put holes in a target and thought a bow wasn't good enough for the purpose.

Again, I'm for gun rights. There is a gun in my home right now. I realize that there is a huge difference between the functions of a gun and a car, though. It is an unnecessary and silly comparison.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Ban cars now...they are lethal weapons...."

This fails as a false comparison fallacy – at least you're consistent at being ignorant and wrong; no one is seeking to 'ban' guns, and there's no Constitutional right to drive or own a car.

You truly are an idiot.

 

[2aguy]

Were cars designed and manufactured with the intent to kill living things?

Well...neither were guns....guns were designed to save the life of the user.

You base this assertion on what, exactly?

And how do you think guns save the life of the user, if not by injuring or killing whatever is putting the user in danger?

I'm for the right to bear arms, but this comparison between guns and automobiles is and always has been foolish. The car is designed for allowing fast travel. The gun is designed to injure or kill. Whether that is for hunting, protection, or aggression doesn't change the basic function of firearms. Automobiles can absolutely be used to injure or kill, but that is not an inherent part of their function.

The gun does not have to be fired to save the life of the user, and more time than not the attacker runs away, or is held by the victim, unharmed, till the police arrive, so no, a gun does not have to kill to serve its purpose. In fact, if you study defensive use of guns the majority of times the gun is not fired and no one is shot.

If you don't like the car/gun comparison then ask he anti gun extremists to stop ising it....they used it first, and the numbers show they were foolish to do it...

Car accidental deaths...2013.. 35,0000

Gun accidental deaths....505

 

[2aguy]

Were cars designed and manufactured with the intent to kill living things?

Well...neither were guns....guns were designed to save the life of the user.

You base this assertion on what, exactly?

And how do you think guns save the life of the user, if not by injuring or killing whatever is putting the user in danger?

I'm for the right to bear arms, but this comparison between guns and automobiles is and always has been foolish. The car is designed for allowing fast travel. The gun is designed to injure or kill. Whether that is for hunting, protection, or aggression doesn't change the basic function of firearms. Automobiles can absolutely be used to injure or kill, but that is not an inherent part of their function.

BTW, guns can be used to save the life of the user without injuring or killing ANYONE.
MANY lives are saved just by the presence of a gun in the hands of a law-abiding citizen.

and how often do cops actually use guns to kill? and soldiers...who are often used as peacekeepers....they will often never fire a shot and will still keep the peace just by being there....

 

[EverCurious]

Didn't some guy eBay purchase a zombie apocalypse van and pack it full of explosives in front of a police station before I misappeared?

There is actually a logical comparison between guns and cars though; just cause they take a test and get a license, they still ignore stop signs, stop lights, and speed limits.

The unfortunate truth is that people break laws whenever they feel like it, the best we can do is catch and punish.

 

[bgr39]

"Ban cars now...they are lethal weapons...."

This fails as a false comparison fallacy – at least you're consistent at being ignorant and wrong; no one is seeking to 'ban' guns, and there's no Constitutional right to drive or own a car.

You truly are an idiot.

Liberals ARE seeking to ban guns, that is their endgoal.
Trouble is, very few liberals will ever tell the truth about their REAL goals.
Here is a liberal that tells the liberal end goal.



The DAILY KOS

Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 03:20 AM PST

How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process
by Spokes follow

It's nice that we're finally talking about gun control. It's very sad that it took such a terrible tragedy to talk about it, but I'm glad the conversation is happening. I hear a lot about assault weapon and large magazine bans, and whilst I'm supportive of that, it won't solve the problem. The vast majority of firearm deaths occur with handguns. Only about 5% of people killed by guns are killed by guns which would be banned in any foreseeable AWB.

Furthermore, there seems to be no talk about high powered rifles. What gun nuts don't want you to know is many target and hunting rifles are chambered in the same round (.223/5.56mm) that Lanza's assault weapon was. Even more guns are chambered for more powerful rounds, like the .30-06 or (my personal "favorite") 7.62x54R. Even a .22, the smallest round manufactured on a large scale, can kill easily. In fact, some say the .22 kills more people than any other round out there.

Again, I like that we're talking about assault weapons, machine guns, and high capacity clips. But it only takes one bullet out of one gun to kill a person. Remember the beltway sniper back in 2002? The one who killed a dozen odd people? Even though he used a bushmaster assault rifle, he only fired one round at a time before moving. He could have used literally any rifle sold in the US for his attacks.

The only way we can truly be safe and prevent further gun violence is to ban civilian ownership of all guns. That means everything. No pistols, no revolvers, no semiautomatic or automatic rifles. No bolt action. No breaking actions or falling blocks. Nothing. This is the only thing that we can possibly do to keep our children safe from both mass murder and common street violence.

Unfortunately, right now we can't. The political will is there, but the institutions are not. Honestly, this is a good thing. If we passed a law tomorrow banning all firearms, we would have massive noncompliance. What we need to do is establish the regulatory and informational institutions first. This is how we do it:


The very first thing we need is national registry. We need to know where the guns are, and who has them. Canada has a national firearms registry. We need to copy their model. We need a law demanding all firearms be registered to a national database. We need to know who has them and where they are. We need to make this as easy as possible for gun owners. The federal government provides the money and technical expertise, and the State police carry it out. Like a funded mandate. Most firearms already have a serial number on them, so it would really be a matter of taking the information already on the ATF form 4473 and putting it in a national database. I think about 6 months should be enough time.

Along with this, make private sales illegal. When a firearm is transferred, make it law that the registration must be updated. Again, make it super easy to do. Perhaps over, the internet. Dealers can log in by their FFLs and update the registration. Additionally, new guns are to be registered by the manufacturer. The object here is to create a clear paper trail from factory to distributor to dealer to owner. We want to encourage as much voluntary compliance as possible.

Now we get down to it. The registration period has passed. Now we have criminals without registered guns running around. Probably kooky types that "lost" them on a boat or something. So remember those ATF form 4473s? Those record every firearm sale, going back twenty years. And those have to be surrendered to the ATF on demand. So, we get those logbooks, and cross reference the names and addresses with the new national registry. Since most NRA types own two or (many) more guns, we can get an idea of who properly registered their guns and who didn't. For example, if we have a guy who purchased 6 guns over the course of 10 years, but only registered two of them, that raises a red flag.

Now, maybe he sold them or they got lost or something. But it gives us a good target for investigation. A nice visit by the ATF or state police to find out if he really does still have those guns would be certainly warranted. It's certainly not perfect. People may have gotten guns from parents or family, and not registered them. Perfect is the enemy of pretty darn good, as they say. This exercise isn't so much to track down every gun ever sold; the main idea would be to profile and investigate people that may not have registered their guns. As an example, I'm not so concerned with the guy who bought that bolt action Mauser a decade ago and doesn't have anything registered to his name. It's a pretty good possibility that he sold it, gave it away, or got rid of it somehow. And even if he didn't, that guy is not who I'm concerned with. I'm concerned that other guy who bought a half dozen assault weapons, registered two hunting rifles, and belongs to the NRA/GOA. He's the guy who warrants a raid.

So registration is the first step. Now that the vast majority are registered, we can do what we will. One good first step would be to close the registry to new registrations. This would, in effect, prevent new guns from being made or imported. This would put the murder machine corporations out of business for good, and cut the money supply to the NRA/GOA. As money dries up, the political capital needed for new controls will be greatly reduced.

There are a few other things I would suggest. I would suggest an immediate, national ban on concealed carry. A ban on internet sales of guns and ammunition is a no brainer. Microstamping would also be a very good thing. Even if the only thing it does is drive up costs, it could still lead to crimes being solved. I'm willing to try every advantage we can get.

A national Firearms Owner Identification Card might be good, but I'm not sure if it's necessary if we have a national database. We should also insist on comprehensive insurance and mandatory gun safes, subject to random, spot checks by local and federal law enforcement.

We must make guns expensive and unpopular, just like cigarettes. A nationwide, antigun campaign paid for by a per gun yearly tax paid by owners, dealers, and manufacturers would work well in this regard. We should also segway into an anti-hunting campaign, like those in the UK. By making hunting expensive and unpopular, we can make the transition to a gun free society much less of a headache for us.

I know this seems harsh, but this is the only way we can be truly safe. I don't want my kids being shot at by a deranged NRA member. I'm sure you don't either. So lets stop looking for short term solutions and start looking long term. Registration is the first step.

Tell Pres. Obama and democrats in congress to demand mandatory, comprehensive gun registration. It's the only way we can ban guns with any effectiveness.


Daily Kos

 

[2aguy]

Didn't some guy eBay purchase a zombie apocalypse van and pack it full of explosives in front of a police station before I misappeared?

There is actually a logical comparison between guns and cars though; just cause they take a test and get a license, they still ignore stop signs, stop lights, and speed limits.

The unfortunate truth is that people break laws whenever they feel like it, the best we can do is catch and punish.

Exactly....the anti gunners think that guns should be the exception.....because they think guns are more dangerous....but knives are more dangerous than rifles, as are hands and feet.

The only gun control that works, without assuming that law abiding citizens are already criminals and should be treated like a criminal, is to catch people who break the law with guns and arrest them....anti gun extremists can't understand that simple concept....they want a Tom Cruise style "Minority Report" movie system where they can prevent crime before it happens......no other crime is treated like that.....we don't register all people before they are alllowed to be around children in case they "might" be a child molestor....we don't register all people in case they might rob a bank.......we arrest them when they commit the crime

 

[bgr39]

Didn't some guy eBay purchase a zombie apocalypse van and pack it full of explosives in front of a police station before I misappeared?

There is actually a logical comparison between guns and cars though; just cause they take a test and get a license, they still ignore stop signs, stop lights, and speed limits.

The unfortunate truth is that people break laws whenever they feel like it, the best we can do is catch and punish.

Exactly....the anti gunners think that guns should be the exception.....because they think guns are more dangerous....but knives are more dangerous than rifles, as are hands and feet.

The only gun control that works, without assuming that law abiding citizens are already criminals and should be treated like a criminal, is to catch people who break the law with guns and arrest them....anti gun extremists can't understand that simple concept....they want a Tom Cruise style "Minority Report" movie system where they can prevent crime before it happens......no other crime is treated like that.....we don't register all people before they are alllowed to be around children in case they "might" be a child molestor....we don't register all people in case they might rob a bank.......we arrest them when they commit the crime

A good start would to pass state laws (NOT federal) that states that .....
Anyone caught carrying an illegal firearm would automatically have to serve 5 years in prison, no early release, no exceptions.
IF they use that illegal firearm during the commission of a crime, they would serve 10 years in prison. No early release, no exceptions.
IF the discharge the illegal firearm of a crime, they serve 20 years in prison.
No early release, no exceptions.
THAT would be separate from the sentence they get for the crime they committed

 

[Montrovant]

Were cars designed and manufactured with the intent to kill living things?

Well...neither were guns....guns were designed to save the life of the user.

You base this assertion on what, exactly?

And how do you think guns save the life of the user, if not by injuring or killing whatever is putting the user in danger?

I'm for the right to bear arms, but this comparison between guns and automobiles is and always has been foolish. The car is designed for allowing fast travel. The gun is designed to injure or kill. Whether that is for hunting, protection, or aggression doesn't change the basic function of firearms. Automobiles can absolutely be used to injure or kill, but that is not an inherent part of their function.

BTW, guns can be used to save the life of the user without injuring or killing ANYONE.
MANY lives are saved just by the presence of a gun in the hands of a law-abiding citizen.

I might

Were cars designed and manufactured with the intent to kill living things?

Well...neither were guns....guns were designed to save the life of the user.

You base this assertion on what, exactly?

And how do you think guns save the life of the user, if not by injuring or killing whatever is putting the user in danger?

I'm for the right to bear arms, but this comparison between guns and automobiles is and always has been foolish. The car is designed for allowing fast travel. The gun is designed to injure or kill. Whether that is for hunting, protection, or aggression doesn't change the basic function of firearms. Automobiles can absolutely be used to injure or kill, but that is not an inherent part of their function.

The gun does not have to be fired to save the life of the user, and more time than not the attacker runs away, or is held by the victim, unharmed, till the police arrive, so no, a gun does not have to kill to serve its purpose. In fact, if you study defensive use of guns the majority of times the gun is not fired and no one is shot.

If you don't like the car/gun comparison then ask he anti gun extremists to stop ising it....they used it first, and the numbers show they were foolish to do it...

Car accidental deaths...2013.. 35,0000

Gun accidental deaths....505

That's true, a gun doesn't have to be fired. However, it is the threat of it being fired and causing injury or death which is a deterrent. I am confident that when guns were first designed it was with the intent of creating a device which could more efficiently kill. There's nothing wrong with that. They are designed as weapons.

If anti gun extremists compare cars to guns, they too are making a poor comparison.