Cain and Able

[Truthspeaker]

You can't read Genesis literally; it's an allegory. And no, an allegory is not a ManMade Global Warming Story as told by Al Gore.

but we can have that debate in another forum if you like

 

[Truthspeaker]

Read it yourself and tell me why my question was so misunderstanding.

First, it doesn't say that Cain and Abel were the only two children, it just focused on them for the moral. Later on they would have had to have had more anyway. Also, since they were both male it makes no difference what the outcome of the story was anyway.

Actually, it does imply that they were the only two children before Seth was born. remember, girls don't count as human in Judaism.

this is ridiculous. It clearly states in Genesis 5:4 that Adam had plenty more sons and daughters for the next 800 plus years.

 

[Truthspeaker]

Cain married one of his sisters, just like the rest of Adam's children. So basically we're all inbred!

Leviticus specifically forbids such things

Leviticus wouldn't be written for thousands of years. God made that law later.

 

[Truthspeaker]

Who was to see the mark?

And you assert that god was cool with incest?

Everyone who wasn't Cain. Adam had lots of children. Incest had to happen. That's the harsh reality. Mathematically it's impossible for it not to have happened if we started with one common ancestor. Even Atheists know that we came from one common ancestor.

 

[Truthspeaker]

What I'm impressed with is this:

"Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died." - Genesis 5:5

How was Adam able to continue to inseminate his daughters, granddaughters, great-granddaughters, great-great-granddaughters, etc., without the use of Viagra?

I'm sure he didn't bang any of his daughters. At least I don't think so. He left that up to his sons.

 

[JBeukema]

First, it doesn't say that Cain and Abel were the only two children, it just focused on them for the moral. Later on they would have had to have had more anyway. Also, since they were both male it makes no difference what the outcome of the story was anyway.

Actually, it does imply that they were the only two children before Seth was born. remember, girls don't count as human in Judaism.

this is ridiculous. It clearly states in Genesis 5:4 that Adam had plenty more sons and daughters for the next 800 plus years.

yep, after the events in question had occurred

do try to keep up

 

[JBeukema]

Cain married one of his sisters, just like the rest of Adam's children. So basically we're all inbred!

Leviticus specifically forbids such things

Leviticus wouldn't be written for thousands of years. God made that law later.

so incest was moral 'til god changed his mind?

 

[Douger]

Cain married one of his sisters, just like the rest of Adam's children. So basically we're all inbred!

How " divine".

 

[JBeukema]

Let the record show that TM has said that which is moral can become immoral and that which is immoral can become moral and his religion offers no objective moral values whatsoever

 

[Truthspeaker]

Actually, it does imply that they were the only two children before Seth was born. remember, girls don't count as human in Judaism.

this is ridiculous. It clearly states in Genesis 5:4 that Adam had plenty more sons and daughters for the next 800 plus years.

yep, after the events in question had occurred

do try to keep up

Homey... The Bible doesn't say that Cain and Abel were the only or even the first born kids to Adam. The Bible doesn't say one way or the other. Even if I didn't believe in the book of Moses(not in Bible) which explicitly states Adam had many sons and daughters before Cain and Abel.

Do try and stay with me

 

[Truthspeaker]

Leviticus specifically forbids such things

Leviticus wouldn't be written for thousands of years. God made that law later.

so incest was moral 'til god changed his mind?

It wasn't so much changing his mind as it was that incest was absolutely necessary to propogate the species. It was more an exception than anything.

 

[Truthspeaker]

Cain married one of his sisters, just like the rest of Adam's children. So basically we're all inbred!

How " divine".

You're early 21st century thinking holds you back because of our culture. Things were different back then and it's hard for us to imagine marrying a sibling. But when there's less than 5 people on earth and you're one of the 5, you'll change your tune.

 

[JBeukema]

this is ridiculous. It clearly states in Genesis 5:4 that Adam had plenty more sons and daughters for the next 800 plus years.

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Homey... The Bible doesn't say that Cain and Abel were the only or even the first born kids to Adam. The Bible doesn't say one way or the other.

=contradiction

Homey... The Bible doesn't say that Cain and Abel were the only or even the first born kids to Adam. The Bible doesn't say one way or the other.

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Even if I didn't believe in the book of Moses(not in Bible) which explicitly states Adam had many sons and daughters before Cain and Abel.

Do try and stay with me

=contradiction

make up your mind


You want the truth? GO back to original accounts of the story. Go back to Sumeria

 

[Truthspeaker]

Let the record show that TM has said that which is moral can become immoral and that which is immoral can become moral and his religion offers no objective moral values whatsoever

Whatever. It's common sense. How else would the human species survive. We're all related anyway. Get over it.

Your attempt at being tricky is weak.

 

[xotoxi]

Things were different back then and it's hard for us to imagine marrying a sibling. But when there's less than 5 people on earth and you're one of the 5, you'll change your tune.

And especially since Eve was a MILF...Seth couldn't resist a little "mommy time".

 

[Truthspeaker]

make up your mind


You want the truth? GO back to original accounts of the story. Go back to Sumeria

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You think I'm being contradictory because the Bible is not clear as to how many children Adam had before Cain and Abel(if at all). Don't blame me. Blame the Bible. But you can't really blame the Bible can you. If you want to blame anyone you would have to blame the council of Nicea for not including the other accounts that show Adam and Eve had more children before Cain and Able. Plus don't you think it would be implied that they had more if it states Cain took a wife? It's common sense if the Bible states Adam was the first man and Eve the first woman, that if Cain marries a woman other than Eve, it would have had to be one of his sisters. Capeesh? Is it too hard for you to imagine? Does the Bible have to spell out every single detail that ever happened? Or is your iq high enough to deduce the common sense answers the Bible writers figured anyone would understand.

Don't talk about original accounts. There are many accounts of the story not found in the Bible. It depends on which ones you believe anyway. I believe the account of Moses in the book of Moses which gives a similar account of the Genesis story that agrees with the Bible but gives a clearer picture with more details.

 

[JBeukema]

There is no single text called 'the bible' There is the Niacean Library, which is a collection of jesish rehashings of Sumraian myths and various lies and forgeries collectively known as the 'New Testament'

 

[KittenKoder]

There is no single text called 'the bible' There is the Niacean Library, which is a collection of jesish rehashings of Sumraian myths and various lies and forgeries collectively known as the 'New Testament'

I can't stand agreeing with you, but you did pose a good point. The christian bible as we know it is a very abridged version of several thousand writings, most of which come from Sumeria, many from the Egyptian mythology even, Imhotep's story follows Jesus' almost exactly only instead of resurrection and "son of god" he was actually promoted to a god but started as a mortal. Other examples exist, but the collection of works which make up the bible were not completely added, they didn't want to make everyone have to carry around the whole library.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Cain married one of his sisters, just like the rest of Adam's children. So basically we're all inbred!

That explains Wisconsin and West Virginia...

 

[Truthspeaker]

There is no single text called 'the bible' There is the Niacean Library, which is a collection of jesish rehashings of Sumraian myths and various lies and forgeries collectively known as the 'New Testament'

Look I'm no fool when it comes to the amount of filtering the Bible has gone through. You're preaching to the choir to a point, but only to a point. There are many errors and omissions from the fragmentary version of the original writings we currently have. It's amazing we have anything left at all after the different powers that controlled the manuscripts got done with them.

but to call them lies and outright myths is not necessarily true. I believe a lot of the missing pieces of the puzzle are gone but mostly, as far as it is translated correctly, the Bible is the word of God. But this is again off topic. I would be more than happy to discuss the origin of the Bible in another thread.