California Regulators Propose Gov’t Takeover Of Oil Refineries To Stave Off Energy Crisis

[otto105]

The Daily Caller article was correct.

#LIBTARD

About what?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

About what?

Post #1, maybe you should check it out?

 

[otto105]

Post #1, maybe you should check it out?

Again, I’ve read the DC article. The proposals are planning ideas for a future which will have less oil in it.

The article throws a misleading headline and doesn’t offer any factual evidence to back it up.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Again, I’ve read the DC article. The proposals are planning ideas for a future which will have less oil in it.

The article throws a misleading headline and doesn’t offer any factual evidence to back it up.

They aren't planning for less oil in the world.

They are planning on running state owned refineries to provide gas to cars in the state.

 

[otto105]

They aren't planning for less oil in the world.

They are planning on running state owned refineries to provide gas to cars in the state.

todd the article states that less oil will be in California’s future.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

todd the article states that less oil will be in California’s future.

The article is about lower future demand for gasoline and refineries shutting down.
State run refineries are the issue, not whether they refine California oil or imported oil.

 

[otto105]

The article is about lower future demand for gasoline and refineries shutting down.
State run refineries are the issue, not whether they refine California oil or imported oil.

Yes, less oil in state. They’re planning ideas for a market which could become a monopoly.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, less oil in state. They’re planning ideas for a market which could become a monopoly.

Less oil in the state doesn't require the state to run oil refineries.
If less oil is an issue, they could make it easier to drill for oil there.

Are they planning on doing that, or are you just confused?

 

[AZrailwhale]

It’s how you assure you don’t get Enron greed.

No, just government greed and corruption. Every country that has nationalized its oil industry has failed.

 

[otto105]

No, just government greed and corruption. Every country that has nationalized its oil industry has failed.

Enron is the corporate poster boy for greed and corruption.

Just like fat Elvis is for political office.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Yes, less oil in state. They’re planning ideas for a market which could become a monopoly.

Yes, they want to make it a governmental monopoly and since the greens essentially run California, there will be even more draconian restrictions on POL production. As it is, the greens have prevented any new construction or modernization/expansion of existing refineries since 1982. For those who are mathematically challenged, that is FORTY TWO YEARS. In that time California's population has grown from 23,800,800 to 38,965,193 people.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Was electricity cheaper in CA with public power or with Enron?

It was cheaper under Enron, Grey Davis negotiated contracts at the top of the market after Enron folded that locked California into long-term contracts at the highest energy prices ever seen in California. That was the biggest reason he was recalled from office.

 

[otto105]

Yes, they want to make it a governmental monopoly and since the greens essentially run California, there will be even more draconian restrictions on POL production. As it is, the greens have prevented any new construction or modernization/expansion of existing refineries since 1982. For those who are mathematically challenged, that is FORTY TWO YEARS. In that time California's population has grown from 23,800,800 to 38,965,193 people.

Californians have been choking on pollution for the past 50 years. They’re refusing to continue with that.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Explain Enron to us all

Enron was simple. The greens passe laws against publicly owned power generation facilities forcing California's energy sector to buy power from privately owned sources, mostly out of state. Enron saw the ability to corner the market and make obscene profits.

 

[otto105]

Enron was simple. The greens passe laws against publicly owned power generation facilities forcing California's energy sector to buy power from privately owned sources, mostly out of state. Enron saw the ability to corner the market and make obscene profits.

The greens in California passed no such laws.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Californians have been choking on pollution for the past 50 years. They’re refusing to continue with that.

California has some of the cleanest air in the country. Places like the LA basin will never have clean air because of the geography. Before the White Man arrived, the Indians called LA the "valley of the smokes" because the inversion pattern did not allow the smoke of their campfires to escape over the mountains and the prevailing winds blow from west to east not allowing the smoke to escape out to sea.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The greens in California passed no such laws.

I overstated the case. What the greens managed to do was to cap residential rates, while having blocked the construction of new power plants for over a decade creating a shortage as price controls always do assisted by the republican's attempt to deregulate energy supply that resulted in a bastardized system that forced California to buy power on the spot market at high prices and sell it at low prices.

 

[AZrailwhale]

What do farms have to do with refineries?

Farms need petroleum products ranging from diesel fuel to fertilizers to operate. When the price or availability of refinery products rises or becomes scarce, so does food.

 

[22lcidw]

Some Trumpies have talked about nationalizing the US oil industry. Of course they are ignorant fringe people. They think oil belongs to the people. They don't realize the oil business is a BUSINESS.

It is cheaper the business way. We need to drill more, new refineries and pipelines.

 

[AZrailwhale]

California has some of the cleanest air in the country. Places like the LA basin will never have clean air because of the geography. Before the White Man arrived, the Indians called LA the "valley of the smokes" because the inversion pattern did not allow the smoke of their campfires to escape over the mountains and the prevailing winds blow from west to east not allowing the smoke to escape out to sea.

The EPA map shows all of California to have either good or moderate air quality.