California screws solar panel customers.

[justoffal]

I predicted this years ago....the end of net metering.
The pressure is on here in Massachusetts too and probably all the other states as well.

California advances bill to end net metering, break solar contracts

The California State Assembly’s Utilities and Energy Committee has passed an amended bill to end net metering for homes with solar once they are sold.

www.pv-magazine.com

Generate more than you need? Tough shit. Use more then!

I always knew this would happen eventually. Solar just keeps getting worse....not better. More expensive not less expensive. Less reliable not more reliable.

Get solar panels:

1.) Get a 25 year monthly payment that increases every year. Unless you pay $70k to $100ik n cash up front.
2.) Risk paying more for property insurance .
3.) Not only not getting paid for overage but being charged to send it back. It's called line usage fee.
4.) Go through all kinds of problems when it's time to sell your house.
5.) Pay a very expensive disposal fee when the panels need to be replaced.

 

[Manonthestreet]

But you can feels righteous

 

[Dekster]

I predicted this years ago....the end of net metering.
The pressure is on here in Massachusetts too and probably all the other states as well.

California advances bill to end net metering, break solar contracts

The California State Assembly’s Utilities and Energy Committee has passed an amended bill to end net metering for homes with solar once they are sold.

www.pv-magazine.com

Generate more than you need? Tough shit. Use more then!

I always knew this would happen eventually. Solar just keeps getting worse....not better. More expensive not less expensive. Less reliable not more reliable.

Get solar panels:

1.) Get a 25 year monthly payment that increases every year. Unless you pay $70k to $100ik n cash up front.
2.) Risk paying more for property insurance .
3.) Not only not getting paid for overage but being charged to send it back. It's called line usage fee.
4.) Go through all kinds of problems when it's time to sell your house.
5.) Pay a very expensive disposal fee when the panels need to be replaced.

From what I have been told this has always been the case locally---you never get paid for any energy you put into the grid. Probably why there aren't a lot of solar panels on people's roofs.

 

[AZrailwhale]

From what I have been told this has always been the case locally---you never get paid for any energy you put into the grid. Probably why there aren't a lot of solar panels on people's roofs.

In Arizona, we get paid, not as much as we pay to draw from the grid, but except for in the summer, my electric bills are about zero, Or I run a small credit.

 

[Dekster]

In Arizona, we get paid, not as much as we pay to draw from the grid, but except for in the summer, my electric bills are about zero, Or I run a small credit.

We are on municipal utilities. The city takes. It never gives. Anytime it does something for the dirty masses, it ends up costing you. Hey we reduced the tax rate by a penny per $100 and now we are going to raise your assessed tax value by 50%. Hey you can switch to the new flexible rate electric that can save you $12 a month (maybe) but you have to pay $10 more per month (definitely) for the meter. What a bargain!!!

 

[justoffal]

From what I have been told this has always been the case locally---you never get paid for any energy you put into the grid. Probably why there aren't a lot of solar panels on people's roofs.

Massachusetts offers it as an incentive but it's being undermined as we speak.

 

[justoffal]

We are on municipal utilities. The city takes. It never gives. Anytime it does something for the dirty masses, it ends up costing you. Hey we reduced the tax rate by a penny per $100 and now we are going to raise your assessed tax value by 50%. Hey you can switch to the new flexible rate electric that can save you $12 a month (maybe) but you have to pay $10 more per month (definitely) for the meter. What a bargain!!!

Exactly

 

[toobfreak]

I predicted this years ago....the end of net metering.

Wow, that was always one of the biggest inducements for buying solar power! This is going to really hurt solar sales. Worse, with fewer buying into solar power, that will be less electricity fed into the grid at a time when we need more, so, in a backhanded way, California is screwing itself.

Where are all of these judges now stepping in to stop California telling them they can't do this?

 

[justoffal]

Wow, that was always one of the biggest inducements for buying solar power! This is going to really hurt solar sales. Worse, with fewer buying into solar power, that will be less electricity fed into the grid at a time when we need more, so, in a backhanded way, California is screwing itself.

Where are all of these judges now stepping in to stop California telling them they can't do this?

Wow! That's a damn good question.

Solar is collapsing.

It's too bad because it doesn't have to.
They just can't keep their finger out of the cookie jar.

There is definitely a place for large, centralized industrial scale solar plants. The rooftop thing for homes????... I think that's going to go away.

The last solar salesman I talked to here in Massachusetts told me that there was a movement underway on beacon Hill to get rid of net metering so his reasoning was that I better hurry up and get it done.

 

[toobfreak]

Wow! That's a damn good question.

Seriously. Why do these asshole judges only step in to try to protect the rights of non-citizens but hardly never to protect the rights of ordinary citizens?

I guarandamntee you that every solar power consumer who has ever bought solar panels for the roof of their house did so on the word of the installer that the state and the utility would buy back excess power as a further inducement towards saving money.

I just hope they got that as a guarantee in writing and file a class action lawsuit against the state.

 

[justoffal]

Seriously. Why do these asshole judges only step in to try to protect the rights of non-citizens but hardly never to protect the rights of ordinary citizens?

I guarandamntee you that every solar power consumer who has ever bought solar panels for the roof of their house did so on the word of the installer that the state and the utility would buy back excess power as a further inducement towards saving money.

I just hope they got that as a guarantee in writing and file a class action lawsuit against the state.

Porter man says electricity bill never went down after going solar three years ago

A Porter man is seeking help after purchasing solar three years ago. He said he was promised his electric bill will go down to $0.

www.click2houston.com

 

[marvin martian]

I predicted this years ago....the end of net metering.
The pressure is on here in Massachusetts too and probably all the other states as well.

California advances bill to end net metering, break solar contracts

The California State Assembly’s Utilities and Energy Committee has passed an amended bill to end net metering for homes with solar once they are sold.

www.pv-magazine.com

Generate more than you need? Tough shit. Use more then!

I always knew this would happen eventually. Solar just keeps getting worse....not better. More expensive not less expensive. Less reliable not more reliable.

Get solar panels:

1.) Get a 25 year monthly payment that increases every year. Unless you pay $70k to $100ik n cash up front.
2.) Risk paying more for property insurance .
3.) Not only not getting paid for overage but being charged to send it back. It's called line usage fee.
4.) Go through all kinds of problems when it's time to sell your house.
5.) Pay a very expensive disposal fee when the panels need to be replaced.

This is like what California did to electric vehicle owners. The state pushed hard for people to buy EVs, then slapped a big supplementary registration fee on them (and this was even before the left started painting swastikas on them and firebombing the dealerships).

 

[toobfreak]

“Your electric bill’s never going to be $0. That’s one of the misconceptions that some solar installers or solar salespeople will say to sell a system," said Silerio.

If my electric bill will never be zero, then what is the point? If I cannot even supply energy to fully power a single home entirely free of the grid, then how the hell will Spain ever do it?

 

[toobfreak]

This is like what California did to electric vehicle owners. The state pushed hard for people to buy EVs, then slapped a big supplementary registration fee on them (and this was even before the left started painting swastikas on them and firebombing the dealerships).

I tell you straight up: the real goal here is to get everyone into all electronic cars. Then they will not only depend on the state for power instead of private industry, but they will report on your driving activity, when you drive, how you drive and where you go, plus they will be able to be shut off remotely, by police chasing you, or by the state if you have an unpaid parking ticket, unpaid alimony, etc.

 

[justoffal]

I tell you straight up: the real goal here is to get everyone into all electronic cars. Then they will not only depend on the state for power instead of private industry, but they will report on your driving activity, when you drive, how you drive and where you go, plus they will be able to be shut off remotely, by police chasing you, or by the state if you have an unpaid parking ticket, unpaid alimony, etc.

Yup

I think I've told you this before. When I pull up to my house my leaf connects to the internet and uploads diagnostic information back to Nissan.
I didn't think much about it until once when I went to the dealership for service. When I was about to tell them what the odometer read they said " no need we already know what it is."

Eye-opener

 

[marvin martian]

I tell you straight up: the real goal here is to get everyone into all electronic cars. Then they will not only depend on the state for power instead of private industry, but they will report on your driving activity, when you drive, how you drive and where you go, plus they will be able to be shut off remotely, by police chasing you, or by the state if you have an unpaid parking ticket, unpaid alimony, etc.

Exactly, and they want to tie how much electricity you're "allowed" to use to your social credit score. So, if you criticize the State online, for example, your electricity will be limited or cut off completely as punishment. Just like in the DemoKKKrat motherland of China.

 

[toobfreak]

Yup

I think I've told you this before. When I pull up to my house my leaf connects to the internet and uploads diagnostic information back to Nissan.
I didn't think much about it until once when I went to the dealership for service. When I was about to tell them what the odometer read they said " no need we already know what it is."

Eye-opener

Did they tell you any of this when you bought the car? I'd sell it. I have no tolerance for stuff doing things secretly behind my back beyond my control, that is why I only drive older vehicles. My "new" car was issued 6 months before they began installing those little OBD ports under the dash.

In the 1990s, I quite a job because my employer wanted me to start adding a chip to the circuitry which collected data on the user which had absolutely no roll in the function of the device---- I call them spy chips. They rationalize the purpose: to save energy, etc., but the real reason is to collect info on how you use the device.

First thing I'd do with that car is buy the service manual, then figure out how to block or disable the upload communication system. Why would a car need access to the internet??? That means the car has an operating system too. That car should only upload data on command by the user when there is an actual problem with the car needing diagnostics, and at that, this should be done at the garage by the mechanic via a hardwire connection.

I'm sure all that crap added at lead a grand to the cost of the car.

And the whole point to an EV is /RELIABILITY/. There is supposed to be fewer parts where nothing can go wrong anyway, just a battery and a motor basically. No way does Nissan need to know what your odometer reading is. If they know that, I'd want to know what else it collects from the car.

 

[justoffal]

Did they tell you any of this when you bought the car? I'd sell it. I have no tolerance for stuff doing things secretly behind my back beyond my control, that is why I only drive older vehicles. My "new" car was issued 6 months before they began installing those little OBD ports under the dash.

In the 1990s, I quite a job because my employer wanted me to start adding a chip to the circuitry which collected data on the user which had absolutely no roll in the function of the device---- I call them spy chips. They rationalize the purpose: to save energy, etc., but the real reason is to collect info on how you use the device.

First thing I'd do with that car is buy the service manual, then figure out how to block or disable the upload communication system. Why would a car need access to the internet??? That means the car has an operating system too. That car should only upload data on command by the user when there is an actual problem with the car needing diagnostics, and at that, this should be done at the garage by the mechanic via a hardwire connection.

I'm sure all that crap added at lead a grand to the cost of the car.

And the whole point to an EV is /RELIABILITY/. There is supposed to be fewer parts where nothing can go wrong anyway, just a battery and a motor basically. No way does Nissan need to know what your odometer reading is. If they know that, I'd want to know what else it collects from the car.

I disabled the Wi-Fi in the car or at least the one I can see. However I still suspect there are data supplies coming from that vehicle that I have no control over. In fact an automotive electric technician told me that all cars less than 5 years old are constantly on GPS wherever they go and there's nothing the owner can do to block it.

Among the information that gets sent in is rate of acceleration, rate of over applied braking and other driving habits including proof of where the car is being garaged. The insurance companies buy this information from them.

I will say that after three and a half years of ownership I have had to put almost no money at all into maintenance. A set of tires and a 12 volt battery.

 

[toobfreak]

Exactly, and they want to tie how much electricity you're "allowed" to use to your social credit score. So, if you criticize the State online, for example, your electricity will be limited or cut off completely as punishment. Just like in the DemoKKKrat motherland of China.

Well, I don't know about that, but they will want to allocate your "share" of power. This will limit travel, vacations, priorities. If there is a problem, a shortage, then your car will be cut off in lieu of police and emergency vehicles only, etc. They want to eliminate self-autonomy, make everyone use public transportation, herd people like cattle.

Step One is to limit information; keep folks dumb. Progressives are sitting around big tables right now making plans for how to "plan" society to make it run smoothly for themselves by limiting free choice by you.

They have already gone much farther than most people want to know or realize. Where this stuff will really kick in is not so much in our lifetimes but our children's. And they will be taught to accept it. Already, your kids are being programmed, by the public schools and then through your smartphones. Be very wary of kids who walk around with the nose in their smartphone everywhere they go, everything they do.

Of course, those putting all of this together will be exempt from all this crap.

Already, the meters on your house are now collecting not just the amount of electricity you use each month, but WHEN you use it, and how. From data they can infer WHAT you use the energy for, WHEN you use it, and from that, how you live, how you work, when you are home, and when you go on vacation. And they want all your appliances reporting on you as well.

That is no bullshit.

AI is the next big step up in controlling society. Machines will run everything and when you call to complain about anything, not only won't you reach a human being, but if you do, they will tell you they have no control over anything, some machine there tells them everything.

This stuff is closer than you think because it is all being done without your knowledge nor permission.

Representative government my ass.

 

[toobfreak]

I disabled the Wi-Fi in the car or at least the one I can see.

That disables nothing but consumer services the owner can choose to opt out of.

However I still suspect there are data supplies coming from that vehicle that I have no control over. In fact an automotive electric technician told me that all cars less than 5 years old are constantly on GPS wherever they go and there's nothing the owner can do to block it.

Then there is a cellular transceiver somewhere in the car. It can be covered with a faraday cage. With an engineering service manual, it can probably be stopped at the board level. My guess though is that when the car's operating system realizes it is not receiving pings back that the car will complain, it will begin to light up lights on the dash, maybe an alsrm will go off, it might even disable the car as a failsafe to avoid tampering forcing the owner to seek service. What kills me is all this crap adds greatly to the cost of the car and they are making you pay for it!

Among the information that gets sent in is rate of acceleration, rate of over applied braking and other driving habits including proof of where the car is being garaged. The insurance companies buy this information from them.

More than buy it, they SPONSOR IT. All of this is designed to more than save them money but to justify any excuse for charging you more.

I will say that after three and a half years of ownership I have had to put almost no money at all into maintenance. A set of tires and a 12 volt battery.

My two vehicles are from 2000 and 1988. I can say the same thing about both of them, other than an oil change. Better still, there is very little in these cars I cannot fix and work on myself, and neither of them collect data on me. In fact, I can even modify their motors and trannies to operate to my liking (cams, tranny shift kits, etc.).

I'm a big believer in my stuff serving me rather than my serving them.