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Canada in for rougher NAFTA talks than Trump suggested, trade experts say

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Get 'er done Trump. Decades of exploiting the American worker and interfering in American businesses in Canada, on top of buying jobs with taxpayers money. Now is the time to stand up to those who smile in your face but stab you in the back when you turn.

It's China, Mexico, Canada in order of those who abuse America and American businesses. I know first hand how the Canadian system works, covert police in corporations like IBM and tampering with HR all in the name of "National Security" while undermining the companys right to self determination.

One important piece of information Americans need to understand, my wife and I have been bullied and abused excessively since I contacted the Canadian authorities and blew the whistle on the violations of NAFTA which I became aware of. I cannot in good conscience feel any sympathy towards those who have ruthlessly bullied and destroyed a good human being (even if I am biased), are now themselves being bullied. This standing up to Canadian abuses is well warranted I assure you.

Canada in for rougher NAFTA talks than Trump suggested, trade experts say | Toronto Star

WASHINGTON—If Donald Trump’s vague words had convinced any Canadian that he would largely ignore Canada when looking to revise America’s trade agreements, his administration is now offering a sobering reality check.

Trump included Canada in a Friday executive order in which he launched a pointed study of how 16 countries might be committing so-called trade abuses against the United States. More importantly, in a draft letter to Congress, the president’s acting trade representative made clear that the Trump team will be seeking substantial changes to the U.S. trade relationship with Canada.

Trump declared at the White House in February that the trade relationship was “very outstanding” and needed only “tweaking,” sending Prime Minister Justin Trudeau home pleased. The draft letter, though, suggested Canada might be in for a real battle.

“It’s certainly more than tweaking,” said Dan Ujczo, an Ohio-based trade lawyer specializing in Canada-U.S. matters. “I think we’re getting a clear vision from the administration that they have (a) broad initiative that they want to take that will be much more than a quick fix under NAFTA.”

“Certainly, for those people who were thinking, ‘Oh, it’s going to be minor tweaks, I can count on this basically passing me over,’ there’s some cause for alarm that Canada will be under some pressure to give up big things,” said Christopher Sands, director Center for Canadian Studies at Johns Hopkins University. “And it’s not just going to be a negotiation about kicking Mexico out of certain aspects of the American economy, it’ll be much more contentious.”

Taken together, the executive order and the draft letter again call into question the extent to which Trump’s own statements can be taken as reflective of his true intentions. On issues of all kinds, his cabinet secretaries have taken actions that do not square with the president’s words.
 
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Get 'er done Trump. Decades of exploiting the American worker and interfering in American businesses in Canada, on top of buying jobs with taxpayers money. Now is the time to stand up to those who smile in your face but stab you in the back when you turn.

It's China, Mexico, Canada in order of those who abuse America and American businesses. I know first hand how the Canadian system works, covert police in corporations like IBM and tampering with HR all in the name of "National Security" while undermining the companys right to self determination.

One important piece of information Americans need to understand, my wife and I have been bullied and abused excessively since I contacted the Canadian authorities and blew the whistle on the violations of NAFTA which I became aware of. I cannot in good conscience feel any sympathy towards those who have ruthlessly bullied and destroyed a good human being (even if I am biased), are now themselves being bullied. This standing up to Canadian abuses is well warranted I assure you.

Canada in for rougher NAFTA talks than Trump suggested, trade experts say | Toronto Star

WASHINGTON—If Donald Trump’s vague words had convinced any Canadian that he would largely ignore Canada when looking to revise America’s trade agreements, his administration is now offering a sobering reality check.

Trump included Canada in a Friday executive order in which he launched a pointed study of how 16 countries might be committing so-called trade abuses against the United States. More importantly, in a draft letter to Congress, the president’s acting trade representative made clear that the Trump team will be seeking substantial changes to the U.S. trade relationship with Canada.

Trump declared at the White House in February that the trade relationship was “very outstanding” and needed only “tweaking,” sending Prime Minister Justin Trudeau home pleased. The draft letter, though, suggested Canada might be in for a real battle.

“It’s certainly more than tweaking,” said Dan Ujczo, an Ohio-based trade lawyer specializing in Canada-U.S. matters. “I think we’re getting a clear vision from the administration that they have (a) broad initiative that they want to take that will be much more than a quick fix under NAFTA.”

“Certainly, for those people who were thinking, ‘Oh, it’s going to be minor tweaks, I can count on this basically passing me over,’ there’s some cause for alarm that Canada will be under some pressure to give up big things,” said Christopher Sands, director Center for Canadian Studies at Johns Hopkins University. “And it’s not just going to be a negotiation about kicking Mexico out of certain aspects of the American economy, it’ll be much more contentious.”

Taken together, the executive order and the draft letter again call into question the extent to which Trump’s own statements can be taken as reflective of his true intentions. On issues of all kinds, his cabinet secretaries have taken actions that do not square with the president’s words.

Funny that, if Rump wanted to tweak NAFTA --- he threw away a big card when he "caved" on requiring US steel for Keystone......... doncha think?

Well that went about as well as an Atlantic City casino. The Fart of the Deal.
 
Get 'er done Trump. Decades of exploiting the American worker and interfering in American businesses in Canada, on top of buying jobs with taxpayers money. Now is the time to stand up to those who smile in your face but stab you in the back when you turn.

It's China, Mexico, Canada in order of those who abuse America and American businesses. I know first hand how the Canadian system works, covert police in corporations like IBM and tampering with HR all in the name of "National Security" while undermining the companys right to self determination.

One important piece of information Americans need to understand, my wife and I have been bullied and abused excessively since I contacted the Canadian authorities and blew the whistle on the violations of NAFTA which I became aware of. I cannot in good conscience feel any sympathy towards those who have ruthlessly bullied and destroyed a good human being (even if I am biased), are now themselves being bullied. This standing up to Canadian abuses is well warranted I assure you.

Canada in for rougher NAFTA talks than Trump suggested, trade experts say | Toronto Star

WASHINGTON—If Donald Trump’s vague words had convinced any Canadian that he would largely ignore Canada when looking to revise America’s trade agreements, his administration is now offering a sobering reality check.

Trump included Canada in a Friday executive order in which he launched a pointed study of how 16 countries might be committing so-called trade abuses against the United States. More importantly, in a draft letter to Congress, the president’s acting trade representative made clear that the Trump team will be seeking substantial changes to the U.S. trade relationship with Canada.

Trump declared at the White House in February that the trade relationship was “very outstanding” and needed only “tweaking,” sending Prime Minister Justin Trudeau home pleased. The draft letter, though, suggested Canada might be in for a real battle.

“It’s certainly more than tweaking,” said Dan Ujczo, an Ohio-based trade lawyer specializing in Canada-U.S. matters. “I think we’re getting a clear vision from the administration that they have (a) broad initiative that they want to take that will be much more than a quick fix under NAFTA.”

“Certainly, for those people who were thinking, ‘Oh, it’s going to be minor tweaks, I can count on this basically passing me over,’ there’s some cause for alarm that Canada will be under some pressure to give up big things,” said Christopher Sands, director Center for Canadian Studies at Johns Hopkins University. “And it’s not just going to be a negotiation about kicking Mexico out of certain aspects of the American economy, it’ll be much more contentious.”

Taken together, the executive order and the draft letter again call into question the extent to which Trump’s own statements can be taken as reflective of his true intentions. On issues of all kinds, his cabinet secretaries have taken actions that do not square with the president’s words.

Funny that, if Rump wanted to tweak NAFTA --- he threw away a big card when he "caved" on requiring US steel for Keystone......... doncha think?

Well that went about as well as an Atlantic City casino. The Fart of the Deal.

No, that's a drop in the bucket compared to Softwood Lumber, dairy and other industry subsidies which Canada engages in. Taxes which are "hidden" when they are put on U.S goods (GST for instance, a federal tax of 7%-8%). Other intervention in the economy such as government grants to GM and Ford to keep over 4000 jobs in Canada, jobs taken from Ohio and Michigan among other locations. Canada telling America they will not label their meat, even if Americans are at risk for Mad Cow disease, Canada pushed and received WTO support for that (what's a health issue when there is Canadian goods to be sold!).

Furthermore; and this is important, Canada actively entering American businesses and interfering in the free market as they please. We are the poster boys for Crony Capitalism. Nepotism of the worst kind, politicians ensuring benefits for other under qualified politicians and their kids, other state actors and their families being rewarded for no other reason than "we can" in a Centralized System. In Canada, abusing your position in government is looked upon as a positive, screw the country as long as my family is taken care of.

Ontario has the largest Sunshine list in North America. Government employees making over $100k a year, it grew a full 7% year over year, even as Ontario and Canada is an abysmal economy and facing a housing bubble in three major cities, Many of those on the list only have a high school diploma as the province is the most indebted sub borrower in the world. Over 140,000 government employees in Ontario alone (an entire population of 14 million) make over $100,000 a year. Our dent in the province, sits at $315 billion.

Ontario ‘Sunshine List’ grows, with OPG head at the top
Ontario ‘Sunshine List’ grows, with OPG head at the top

Ontario’s Sunshine List 2017: All the ways you never thought you could make $100,000 a year

The bottom line, Canada has loved NAFTA as it has allowed Canadians to be employed while shifting jobs and currency North. Canada openly and shamelessly oppresses it's own citizens and their rights, American businesses are facing the same within our borders and via hypocritical Canadian policies even while Canada chastises others for protectionism. Just what is it called when a nation interferes with a foreign business? Is that the new free market? Some of these U.S businesses are paid handsomely to move American jobs here, others unknowingly being targeted covertly and having unions and such pushed within their businesses.

Email, Trump and his administration, point them to my posting. I stand by everything I state and have plenty more to share if they want to know the cold hard facts that is not being presented by your Canadian "pals". I've reached out to the current U.S administration more than once with some details and I don't intend to stop. My hope is that they listen and investigate for themselves what I have exposed.

The fact that the U.S is engaging in a full study of 16 nations who might be abusing trade (Canada is on this list) is a very good sign that they aren't taking it anymore. Canada generally, Ontario specifically in regards to manufacturing and corporate interference in Toronto.
 
"Drop in the bucket" is it?

I've been hearing Canadian whine about Keystone for years now. Rump had a card to play, and he threw it away. Because he knows as much about politics as I know about Hungarian embroidery.
 
"Drop in the bucket" is it?

I've been hearing Canadian whine about Keystone for years now. Rump had a card to play, and he threw it away. Because he knows as much about politics as I know about Hungarian embroidery.

Errr, Keystone is good for both countries, of course he passed it. Do you think the U.S needs any more leverage than it already had when negotiating a trade deal? America has all the cards, Canada is holding a busted straight and needs to bluff the river.

Decades of abuse and violations in Canada have caused our soft, artificial capitalist system to reveal it's true colours; quasi-communism of the worst kind headed for the bone yard.
 

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