China 'Ready for War' With The US

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Yep. They are not en vogue during peacetime. But if we are talking about WWIII or even about significant regional war between Russia/China/USA (in any combinations) large scale invasions might become pretty fashionable.

Hardly. Though the munitions makers and arms dealers would be thrilled.

 

[Zavulon]

Invading China is not doable and to expect success.

If you already have killed 95% of the Chinese population by continuous nuclear bombing campaign, the massive "humanitarian occupation" might become the lesser evil. You definitely don't want Russia, Muddle Asia states, Korea, Vietnam and Japan take former Chinese territory.

 

[Failzero]

Hardly. Though the munitions makers and arms dealers would be thrilled.

A Country like Taiwan or Iran gettin invaded ( or even Pock E Stan ) would generate a lot of thrills

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

If you already have killed 95% of the Chinese population by continuous nuclear bombing campaign, the massive "humanitarian occupation" might become the lesser evil. You definitely don't want Russia, Muddle Asia states, Korea, Vietnam and Japan take former Chinese territory.

If I stick you with radium, you die.

But... I am not going to. And No One is going to massively radiate China.

 

[Failzero]

If I stick you with radium, you die.

But... I am not going to. And No One is going to massively radiate China.

First we see how conventional Bombing / missile attack scenario goes with Iran ?

 

[Zavulon]

If I stick you with radium, you die.

May be. More likely - not.

But... I am not going to.

It depends. If your only choice is to poison water with Po-210 and kill me, or don't poison the water and get yourself and your family killed by my environment-friendly bullets, the choice is obvious.

And No One is going to massively radiate China.

"No One" is too loud words. Both Russia and the USA has plans how to eliminate China (including 95% of its population) if necessary.

And while, say, anti-Chinese song "I'm flying to bomb China" is a way lesser popular nowadays than anti-American songs "On a little submarine" or "We'll roll our sleeves up to elbows" or "The missiles slowly fly away" or "Cruise missiles" or "The medal for capturing Washington" it still have fans (I really enjoy it when I'm tired with their freaking tones, especially in Southern dialects).

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Zavulon, neither Russia nor the US is going to nuke China.

 

[Failzero]

Zavulon, neither Russia nor the US is going to nuke China.

And Russia is not going to move on the EU & NATO

 

[Zavulon]

Zavulon, neither Russia nor the US is going to nuke China.

Really? Even if China nuke the USA or Japan? In that case China can win Taiwan simply by raising the stakes.

 

[toobfreak]

Additionally. if a war is to start in Europe, they are unprepared. Their leaders expect America to come to their rescue once again.
Without a manufacturing industry the U.S. would lose any protracted war.
China is cunning and has built a huge manufacturing industry from makinking nails, cotton goods to launching satellites and people into space.

That is just a nice way of saying that while the USA went from the manufacturing leviathan it was in WWII to farming out all of our labor to China while we sat on our asses. Meantime, China has been putting 100% effort into building their industrial base, their manufacturing base, and their military readiness all so that they can be as ready as possible as soon as possible in a direct confrontation with the West which taught and gave them everything.

 

[Zavulon]

And Russia is not going to move on the EU & NATO

Who told you this? One of the Russia's declared goals is demilitarization of Eastern Europe. Of course Russia prefer diplomatic solution, but the military one is quite acceptable, too.

 

[Failzero]

Who told you this? One of the Russia's declared goals is demilitarization of Eastern Europe. Of course Russia prefer diplomatic solution, but the military one is quite acceptable, too.

Which NATO Country will they move on first ?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Really? Even if China nuke the USA or Japan? In that case China can win Taiwan simply by raising the stakes.

China is less likely to nuke anybody than Russia.

 

[Failzero]

China is less likely to nuke anybody than Russia.

And Russia is less likely to move on Estonia or Lithuania or Poland now too

 

[Zavulon]

Which NATO Country will they move on first ?

Who knows? It depends on too many factors. The most obvious point is Estonia, specifically Narva. If you have a city full of discriminated non-citizens, bordering with Russian Federation, and your largest party is pro-Russian (but not alllowed in the ruling coalition) - it's clearly very inflammatory situation. Estonian Nazies attack ethic Russians, protesting against discrimination, local Russians fight back, with support of local pro-Russian Estonians took power in Tallinn and rename it back in Kolivan, sign alliance with Russian Federation. NATO countries doesn't recognise new government and send their military forces to supress the rebels. Russian Federation send forces to defend the ally and fight NATO invasion forces. But exactly because the situation is that predictable - its unlikely to happen.

More likely situation with escalation over Ukraine and France if Russia see French nuclear program as a vital threat. May be it will be another Russian-Turkish war over domination in former Georgia or former Yugoslavia.

All I do is gather and evaluate information. And it's not that I have a lot of it. You guys keep asking me to tell fortunes, but I don't know how. What I do know is that what is happening now is going to ignite the biggest firestorm since Hiroshima, and sure as hell have to try to do something before it burns up a whole region.

 

[Failzero]

Who knows? It depends on too many factors. The most obvious point is Estonia, specifically Narva. If you have a city full of discriminated non-citizens, bordering with Russian Federation, and your largest party is pro-Russian (but not alllowed in the ruling coalition) - it's clearly very inflammatory situation. Estonian Nazies attack ethic Russians, protesting against discrimination, local Russians fight back, with support of local pro-Russian Estonians took power in Tallinn and rename it back in Kolivan, sign alliance with Russian Federation. NATO countries doesn't recognise new government and send their military forces to supress the rebels. Russian Federation send forces to defend the ally and fight NATO invasion forces. But exactly because the situation is that predictable - its unlikely to happen.

More likely situation with escalation over Ukraine and France if Russia see French nuclear program as a vital threat. May be it will be another Russian-Turkish war over domination in former Georgia or former Yugoslavia.

All I do is gather and evaluate information. And it's not that I have a lot of it. You guys keep asking me to tell fortunes, but I don't know how. What I do know is that what is happening now is going to ignite the biggest firestorm since Hiroshima, and sure as hell have to try to do something before it burns up a whole region.

The US is more likely to Drone & Missile strike Cartel Facilities in Mexico than Russia is likely to attack a NATO Country

 

[Zavulon]

And Russia is less likely to move on Estonia or Lithuania or Poland now too

It all depends on too many factors. It's not about chances. It's all about possible actions and possible responses.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

If you want to lose Kaliningrad, keep it up.

 

[Zavulon]

The US is more likely to Drone & Missile strike Cartel Facilities in Mexico than Russia is likely to attack a NATO Country

Neither Russia, nor America are "blind forces of nature". We all are human beings. We do interact with each other. We pick up our strategies, using our interpretation of the other players intentions and capabilities, not just rolling dices to determine our next move. Drone and missile strikes won't be a lot of use and both sides know it. You need boots on the ground to eradicate Cartels and you'll need a lot of tanks and artillery to support those troops. The price of peace you are paying now is significant (tens of thousands killed every year) but the price of war might become more terrifying.

 

[Zavulon]

If you want to lose Kaliningrad, keep it up.

We won't lose Kaliningrad. More likely that we'll take Western Prussia, too. And if the USA decide to join the party - ok, the USA will lose Alaska and California.