Climate Frauds Under Review; 112° in the Saudi Desert? (the Horror) and The Vanishing Islands That Failed to Vanish and ...

[JBG]

The New York Times is finally having to walk back, a teensy bit, from climate alarmism. See an article in a recent the New York Times, regarding the Maldives, a collection of atolls in the tropical , doomsday has been postponed. See The Vanishing Islands That Failed to Vanish (link) in June 26, 2024 issue of the New York Times. Excerpt:

And indeed, when the world began paying attention to global warming decades ago, these islands, which form atop coral reefs in clusters called atolls, were quickly identified as some of the first places climate change might ravage in their entirety. As the ice caps melted and the seas crept higher, these accidents of geologic history were bound to be corrected and the tiny islands returned to watery oblivion, probably in this century.
Then, not very long ago, researchers began sifting through aerial images and found something startling. They looked at a couple dozen islands first, then several hundred, and by now close to 1,000. They found that over the past few decades, the islands’ edges had wobbled this way and that, eroding here, building there. By and large, though, their area hadn’t shrunk. In some cases, it was the opposite: They grew. The seas rose, and the islands expanded with them.
Scientists have come to understand some but not all of the reasons for this. Which is why a team of them recently converged in the Maldives, on an island they’d spend weeks outfitting with instruments and sensors and cameras.

I have long suspected that much of the fear-mongering has been baseless or exaggerated. Another example is the Hajj pilgrimage, see Heat Is Killing Thousands, and Big Events Have Not Adjusted (link). Excerpt:

The consequences have been dire. At this year’s hajj, the Islamic pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia, at least 1,300 people died as temperatures surpassed 100 degrees Fahrenheit. And in many ways, that heavy toll was just the latest sign that crowd control and heat waves fueled by climate change are on a dangerous collision course.

Long into the article, we learn (something I knew) that the Hajj floats around the calendar and often winds up in June-August. Excerpt:

The hajj calendar is also set by the lunar cycle, so the scheduled times for the journey could be the hottest, as was the case this year. And because pilgrims tend to be disproportionately old, they are more vulnerable to the effects of intense heat.

I have been following weather records in the Times for over 50 years and little has changed. I picked out a random date, June 25, 1983, where Riyadh, not far from Mecca, reached 107°. That area is always baking hot. The people who are pushing the "climate change" agenda think we have been over-consuming for other reasons and finally found an issue that gives traction. This philosophy of life was expressed in the U.S. via books such as the 1950's classic by John Kenneth Galbraith, The Affluent Society. This was foreshadowed by other authors and thinkers, such as Travels with Charley: In Search of America by John Steinbeck. In Travels Steinbeck rails against conspicuous consumption and other signs of affluence. There was also the Club of Rome report, written over a period between 1968 and 1972, affiliated with MIT (link). This was at the end of the sunshiny era of the 1950's and early 1960's, when highways were constructed and widened. Speed limits were generally raised. It was mostly a "let the good times roll" era, until it wasn't. The "Arab Oil Embargo" was seized upon as an excuse to limit highway speeds to 55 m.p.h. and the "Club of Rome" mentality became general. That was the point, culturally, where the good times were over. The mourning for doing well continues.

 

[1srelluc]

It was 120 inside Kurt Busch's car at the Nashville race yesterday....I believe that's where the CC weenies get their temps from.....NASCAR track temps.

 

[surada]

The New York Times is finally having to walk back, a teensy bit, from climate alarmism. See an article in a recent the New York Times, regarding the Maldives, a collection of atolls in the tropical , doomsday has been postponed. See The Vanishing Islands That Failed to Vanish (link) in June 26, 2024 issue of the New York Times. Excerpt:

I have long suspected that much of the fear-mongering has been baseless or exaggerated. Another example is the Hajj pilgrimage, see Heat Is Killing Thousands, and Big Events Have Not Adjusted (link). Excerpt:
Long into the article, we learn (something I knew) that the Hajj floats around the calendar and often winds up in June-August. Excerpt:

I have been following weather records in the Times for over 50 years and little has changed. I picked out a random date, June 25, 1983, where Riyadh, not far from Mecca, reached 107°. That area is always baking hot. The people who are pushing the "climate change" agenda think we have been over-consuming for other reasons and finally found an issue that gives traction. This philosophy of life was expressed in the U.S. via books such as the 1950's classic by John Kenneth Galbraith, The Affluent Society. This was foreshadowed by other authors and thinkers, such as Travels with Charley: In Search of America by John Steinbeck. In Travels Steinbeck rails against conspicuous consumption and other signs of affluence. There was also the Club of Rome report, written over a period between 1968 and 1972, affiliated with MIT (link). This was at the end of the sunshiny era of the 1950's and early 1960's, when highways were constructed and widened. Speed limits were generally raised. It was mostly a "let the good times roll" era, until it wasn't. The "Arab Oil Embargo" was seized upon as an excuse to limit highway speeds to 55 m.p.h. and the "Club of Rome" mentality became general. That was the point, culturally, where the good times were over. The mourning for doing well continues.

115 degrees is not unusual for Arabia. I lived there a couple of decades.

The oil embargo was the result of Israel needing resupply during the war. Golde Meyer threatened Nixon with bombing the Aramco oil facilities if he didn't. It was heartbreaking for King Faisel and Frank Jungers.

 

[Robert W]

The New York Times is finally having to walk back, a teensy bit, from climate alarmism. See an article in a recent the New York Times, regarding the Maldives, a collection of atolls in the tropical , doomsday has been postponed. See The Vanishing Islands That Failed to Vanish (link) in June 26, 2024 issue of the New York Times. Excerpt:

I have long suspected that much of the fear-mongering has been baseless or exaggerated. Another example is the Hajj pilgrimage, see Heat Is Killing Thousands, and Big Events Have Not Adjusted (link). Excerpt:
Long into the article, we learn (something I knew) that the Hajj floats around the calendar and often winds up in June-August. Excerpt:

I have been following weather records in the Times for over 50 years and little has changed. I picked out a random date, June 25, 1983, where Riyadh, not far from Mecca, reached 107°. That area is always baking hot. The people who are pushing the "climate change" agenda think we have been over-consuming for other reasons and finally found an issue that gives traction. This philosophy of life was expressed in the U.S. via books such as the 1950's classic by John Kenneth Galbraith, The Affluent Society. This was foreshadowed by other authors and thinkers, such as Travels with Charley: In Search of America by John Steinbeck. In Travels Steinbeck rails against conspicuous consumption and other signs of affluence. There was also the Club of Rome report, written over a period between 1968 and 1972, affiliated with MIT (link). This was at the end of the sunshiny era of the 1950's and early 1960's, when highways were constructed and widened. Speed limits were generally raised. It was mostly a "let the good times roll" era, until it wasn't. The "Arab Oil Embargo" was seized upon as an excuse to limit highway speeds to 55 m.p.h. and the "Club of Rome" mentality became general. That was the point, culturally, where the good times were over. The mourning for doing well continues.

Climate control means only one thing. Human beings controlled. The aim of our Democrats is human control. They are genuine authoritarians.

 

[Robert W]

115 degrees is not unusual for Arabia. I lived there a couple of decades.

The oil embargo was the result of Israel needing resupply during the war. Golde Meyer threatened Nixon with bombing the Aramco oil facilities if he didn't. It was heartbreaking for King Faisel and Frank Jungers.

Why was Israel short of oil supplies?

 

[surada]

Why was Israel short of oil supplies?

Back then Israel bought all their oil from Iran.

They needed to be resupplied with weapons and ammunition.

 

[Robert W]

They didn't have enough weapons or ammunition. 2 weeks was about their limit.

What does that have to do with oil supplies?

 

[surada]

What does that have to do with oil supplies?

Israel was losing the war. They threatened to bomb the Saudi oilfields if Nixon didn't resupply their weapons. Saudi Arabia was not involved in the war at all.

Faisel told Nixon not to resupply them or he would cut off Saudi oil.

Where were you?

 

[Robert W]

Israel was losing the war. They threatened to bomb the Saudi oilfields if Nixon didn't resupply their weapons. Saudi Arabia was not involved in the war at all.

Faisel told Nixon not to resupply them or he would cut off Saudi oil.

Where were you?

Is this what you are trying to discuss?
What triggered the oil crisis of the 1970s?


During the 1973 Arab-Israeli War, Arab members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) imposed an embargo against the United States in retaliation for the U.S. decision to re-supply the Israeli military and to gain leverage in the post-war peace negotiations.

Oil Embargo, 1973–1974 - History State Gov​

 

[surada]

Is this what you are trying to discuss?
What triggered the oil crisis of the 1970s?


During the 1973 Arab-Israeli War, Arab members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) imposed an embargo against the United States in retaliation for the U.S. decision to re-supply the Israeli military and to gain leverage in the post-war peace negotiations.

Oil Embargo, 1973–1974 - History State Gov​

Frank Jungers was my neighbor.

Interviews - Frank Jungers | House Of Saud | FRONTLINE | PBS

 

[Foxfyre]

115 degrees is not unusual for Arabia. I lived there a couple of decades.

The oil embargo was the result of Israel needing resupply during the war. Golde Meyer threatened Nixon with bombing the Aramco oil facilities if he didn't. It was heartbreaking for King Faisel and Frank Jungers.

Summer temperatures in the 100 and up range are normal for areas like Laughlin NV. We were there one summer when the temperature was edging just above 120 and the personnel at the casino hotel told us we really shouldn't go out until it cooled a bit. He said they take and report the temperature on the surface of the Colorado River--most casinos front on the river there--because if they reported what it actually got to, nobody would go there.

The hottest temps ever reported in Laughlin were in the mid 1990s. Well there are a lot more casinos there now and more than 2 billion more people on Earth than there were in 1995 so why aren't the temperatures warmer there now than they were almost 30 years ago? (I just looked it up and it is 108 in Laughlin as I'm posting this which is comfortable for them in the summertime and has been for a very long time.

 

[Robert W]

Frank Jungers was my neighbor.

Interviews - Frank Jungers | House Of Saud | FRONTLINE | PBS

OK!!! Help me anybody with the time to read a massive statement.

 

[surada]

OK!!! Help me anybody with the time to read a massive statement.

I wouldn't expect you to read it. Might get in the way of your ignorance and appalling prejudice.

 

[JBG]

Is this what you are trying to discuss?
What triggered the oil crisis of the 1970s?


During the 1973 Arab-Israeli War, Arab members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) imposed an embargo against the United States in retaliation for the U.S. decision to re-supply the Israeli military and to gain leverage in the post-war peace negotiations.

Oil Embargo, 1973–1974 - History State Gov​

For widespread shortages and/or prices increases, price controls or other artificial distortions are needed. Otherwise, the spikes will be short-lived in nature and followed by collapses. The 1970's gas shortages were the result of price controls, pure and simple. A bit of history is in order.

From the end of WW II price controls and rationing till around 1970 gasoline, on an inflation adjusted basis trended downward. There were periodic price wars, and frequent trading stamp and merchandise giveaways.

Starting around midway through 1972 (you read that right, not 1973 or 1974) the petroleum market became extremely tight. That summer there were actually a few spot shortages and major oil companies stopped subsidizing the ability of their retailers to match competitors' prices. Later in 1972 they reduced supplies to independent retailers. Since independents had little gasoline to sell, there was actually a small gasoline shortage that spring and summer. During this period, not surprisingly, crude oil prices began to rise.

In the U.S. retail prices didn't increase as much because of the continuation of Phase II wage and price controls after the January 11, 1973 end of those controls on the rest of the economy. All hell broke loose after the January 11, 1973 switch to Phase III controls, which continued controls on petroleum and natural gas, and lifted them on much of the rest of the economy. Around the end of April, if I recall correctly April 21, 1973 the oil companies ceased promotional advertising and the giveaways of stamps, glasses and bowls. The next month the companies began limiting their stations to year-earlier sales levels and in some cases to allocation fractions of around 90% of year earlier levels.

Gasoline shortages became widespread around the end of April 1973 when oil companies, uniquely unable to raise prices or pass along higher overseas prices began restricting dealers to, at first, 100% of year earlier sales, and then on a company by company basis cut to 85% or 90%. Note, this was before the oil embargo. Oil producers and refiners were operating at somewhat over rated capacity, giving a short period of temporary relief in late August and September. Exxon and maybe other companies suspended dealer allocations, allowing resumption of unlimited dealer sales. Prices softened a bit.

Then, the October 1973 Yom Kippur War served as a pretext for exporting countries to announce major production cuts and price increases. This culminated, by December, in an overall quadrupling of crude prices.Many people were impressed back in 1973 and 1974 when costumed ministers gathered gravely in Vienna and the price seemed to jump, and availability at any price seemed to change with their pronouncements. In most cases they were making a virtue out of necessity. At that time OPEC announced a rescinding of some of their cuts. This was dressed up in conciliatory language. In the real world it probably reflected cheating on obeying the cuts. Sound familiar?

In March 1974 the embargo was ended and further production increases were announced. The long lines at the gas pumps magically disappeared. Prices jumped sharply and then by August 1974 began settling back, in some cases to under $0.50 per gallon. Crude prices declined also but not "officially." This again was cheating. By mid-1978 the nominal $12 per barrel (about the same as 1974) was about $9.16 in 1974 dollars, using the deflator (link). The economy, which has been in deep recession in 1974-5 was by now rolling. Iran's revolution then did cause a real and deep overall production cut. Not surprisingly prices surged to around $40 per barrel over 1979-80.

Both the 1973-4 and 1979-80 runup were accompanied by a Rube Goldberg price control and allocation mechanism in the U.S. How do you know when prices are held down by controls? When you see prices ending in figures other than ".9". For example, at the Hess station in Scarsdale Mobil station I remember seeing gasoline at $0.475 in March 1974 (very low due to a glitch in controls which was fixed late that month) to $.568 a gallon and just over $0.60. Then when allocations were removed the price was reduced to $0.579. I stopped following its price when a nearby Merit dropped to $0.529 and Hess in Mamaroneck to $0.539.

When price controls were disbanded by Reagan within 10 days of his taking office, the prices began dropping. Crude went under $10 a barrel in 1986 and then again in 1998-9. Importantly neither were recession years. Even the recent $80 per barrel is equal to under $11 per barrel in 1972 dollars. So we are under the prices achieved in 1974 and well under 1979-80 levels, or about $21.

End of history lesson.

 

[Robert W]

For widespread shortages and/or prices increases, price controls or other artificial distortions are needed. Otherwise, the spikes will be short-lived in nature and followed by collapses. The 1970's gas shortages were the result of price controls, pure and simple. A bit of history is in order.

From the end of WW II price controls and rationing till around 1970 gasoline, on an inflation adjusted basis trended downward. There were periodic price wars, and frequent trading stamp and merchandise giveaways.

Starting around midway through 1972 (you read that right, not 1973 or 1974) the petroleum market became extremely tight. That summer there were actually a few spot shortages and major oil companies stopped subsidizing the ability of their retailers to match competitors' prices. Later in 1972 they reduced supplies to independent retailers. Since independents had little gasoline to sell, there was actually a small gasoline shortage that spring and summer. During this period, not surprisingly, crude oil prices began to rise.

In the U.S. retail prices didn't increase as much because of the continuation of Phase II wage and price controls after the January 11, 1973 end of those controls on the rest of the economy. All hell broke loose after the January 11, 1973 switch to Phase III controls, which continued controls on petroleum and natural gas, and lifted them on much of the rest of the economy. Around the end of April, if I recall correctly April 21, 1973 the oil companies ceased promotional advertising and the giveaways of stamps, glasses and bowls. The next month the companies began limiting their stations to year-earlier sales levels and in some cases to allocation fractions of around 90% of year earlier levels.

Gasoline shortages became widespread around the end of April 1973 when oil companies, uniquely unable to raise prices or pass along higher overseas prices began restricting dealers to, at first, 100% of year earlier sales, and then on a company by company basis cut to 85% or 90%. Note, this was before the oil embargo. Oil producers and refiners were operating at somewhat over rated capacity, giving a short period of temporary relief in late August and September. Exxon and maybe other companies suspended dealer allocations, allowing resumption of unlimited dealer sales. Prices softened a bit.

Then, the October 1973 Yom Kippur War served as a pretext for exporting countries to announce major production cuts and price increases. This culminated, by December, in an overall quadrupling of crude prices.Many people were impressed back in 1973 and 1974 when costumed ministers gathered gravely in Vienna and the price seemed to jump, and availability at any price seemed to change with their pronouncements. In most cases they were making a virtue out of necessity. At that time OPEC announced a rescinding of some of their cuts. This was dressed up in conciliatory language. In the real world it probably reflected cheating on obeying the cuts. Sound familiar?

In March 1974 the embargo was ended and further production increases were announced. The long lines at the gas pumps magically disappeared. Prices jumped sharply and then by August 1974 began settling back, in some cases to under $0.50 per gallon. Crude prices declined also but not "officially." This again was cheating. By mid-1978 the nominal $12 per barrel (about the same as 1974) was about $9.16 in 1974 dollars, using the deflator (link). The economy, which has been in deep recession in 1974-5 was by now rolling. Iran's revolution then did cause a real and deep overall production cut. Not surprisingly prices surged to around $40 per barrel over 1979-80.

Both the 1973-4 and 1979-80 runup were accompanied by a Rube Goldberg price control and allocation mechanism in the U.S. How do you know when prices are held down by controls? When you see prices ending in figures other than ".9". For example, at the Hess station in Scarsdale Mobil station I remember seeing gasoline at $0.475 in March 1974 (very low due to a glitch in controls which was fixed late that month) to $.568 a gallon and just over $0.60. Then when allocations were removed the price was reduced to $0.579. I stopped following its price when a nearby Merit dropped to $0.529 and Hess in Mamaroneck to $0.539.

When price controls were disbanded by Reagan within 10 days of his taking office, the prices began dropping. Crude went under $10 a barrel in 1986 and then again in 1998-9. Importantly neither were recession years. Even the recent $80 per barrel is equal to under $11 per barrel in 1972 dollars. So we are under the prices achieved in 1974 and well under 1979-80 levels, or about $21.

End of history lesson.

I had a good friend on the Varsity football team who bugged me to keep playing. He got very rich when he took his dad's reclaimed oil business into retail gasoline selling. He managed in CA to acquire gas stations all over Northern Ca and he also owned a fleet of tankers so he could sell gasoline where he could. He bought an oil refinery not far from bakersfield, CA and started buying cheaper old oil and naming it new oil because new oil cost the most. He was a Millionaire very fast and owned his own Jet airplane. He was arrested and put in a Federal Prison costing him everything. He served 2 years and I lost track of him. Why this story? It deals with heartache due to things done by the feds. They make laws that cause one to end up in prison.

Holland Oil DOE Fraud charged 12 May 1982

Clipping found in The San Francisco Examiner published in San Francisco, California on 5/12/1982. Holland Oil DOE Fraud charged 12 May 1982

www.newspapers.com

 

[Robert W]

I wouldn't expect you to read it. Might get in the way of your ignorance and appalling prejudice.

I am not that dumb to post articles so long almost nobody reads them. Oh the first 15 minutes of reading it was fine.

 

[surada]

I am not that dumb to post articles so long almost nobody reads them. Oh the first 15 minutes of reading it was fine.

It's not long and I didn't post it. The link is there if you want to know.

 

[Crick]

I had a good friend on the Varsity football team who bugged me to keep playing. He got very rich when he took his dad's reclaimed oil business into retail gasoline selling. He managed in CA to acquire gas stations all over Northern Ca and he also owned a fleet of tankers so he could sell gasoline where he could. He bought an oil refinery not far from bakersfield, CA and started buying cheaper old oil and naming it new oil because new oil cost the most. He was a Millionaire very fast and owned his own Jet airplane. He was arrested and put in a Federal Prison costing him everything. He served 2 years and I lost track of him. Why this story? It deals with heartache due to things done by the feds. They make laws that cause one to end up in prison.

Holland Oil DOE Fraud charged 12 May 1982

Clipping found in The San Francisco Examiner published in San Francisco, California on 5/12/1982. Holland Oil DOE Fraud charged 12 May 1982

www.newspapers.com

What gets people in jail is the violating the law. That's how the law works Robert.

 

[Robert W]

What gets people in jail is the violating the law. That's how the law works Robert.

That is why you are such a supporter of Democrats. In a so called Free Government, how can the public be free when Democrats ache daily to create more laws?

By the way, Republicans killed that law.

 

[Robert W]

What gets people in jail is the violating the law. That's how the law works Robert.

Roe V Wade was law. Now it is not. That is how the law works.