Court of International Trade puts Trump tariffs on hold

[toobfreak]

Tariffs are considered taxes on us in the Constitution they are grouped with taxes and only congress can legislate a tax...

Just because tariffs are grouped under the same chapter as taxes and other things relating to trade (Article 1, Section 8) does not make them all the same. Your failure to show me where the Constitution specifically and clearly enumerates tariffs as a tax and outside presidential authority is so noted.

Nor does this explain why most every other country levies tariffs on us. Are the taxing themselves? If so, why do we end up paying more too? Why do tariffs work for everyone but Trump? And why have other presidents levied tariffs and it not been considered a verboten tax???

 

[OldFlame]

Just because tariffs are grouped under the same chapter as taxes and other things relating to trade (Article 1, Section 8) does not make them all the same. Your failure to show me where the Constitution specifically and clearly enumerates tariffs as a tax and outside presidential authority is so noted.

Nor does this explain why most every other country levies tariffs on us. Are the taxing themselves? If so, why do we end up paying more too? Why do tariffs work for everyone but Trump? And why have other presidents levied tariffs and it not been considered a verboten tax???

You'll never get any answers to your excellent questions, they have none.

 

[CowboyTed]

They can kick rocks, k? Article II powers give the president the authority to set foreign policy.
Immigration, trade, alliances, all that. Any other branch of government really has no Constitutional right to inhibit the president
in doing that.
Just no.

Tell you what....

You study for a few years, gain a few decades in the law profession and eventually become a Federal Judge...

Then we might have to hear what your opinion is on the law... Until that we are leaving it to the professionals...

Tariffs are a tax and Congress does taxes..

 

[CowboyTed]

So who runs your country then?

American exporters can be hit with unlimited tariffs and non-tariff barriers and must just accept it?

The courts weren't elected. Trump ran on tariffs and was elected on them.

The courts don't seem interested in protecting Americas national security.

Congress can set tariffs...

Trump tried to declare an emergency so he could go around congress...

Court just explained to Trump that US has been running a trade deficit for 47 years... Hard to call that an emergency overnight and need to bypass Congress (who are also elected)...

 

[toobfreak]

I’m never wrong. Trump has lost almost every case including Supreme Court cases.

Wrong again, Nimitz. There is hardly no one on this board ever more wrong than you. Further, you lie that Trump has lost every case, Trump has not even had any opportunity to weigh in on these cases--- they are being summarily ruled on by a hand-picked DC judge. ITMT, Trump moves on. These judges have no power nor authority to game the entire federal government, nor does a president have to get every action of his cleared by a judge first. The only court able to do that is the SCUS.

But nice try, Holmes--- all this will accomplish in the end is to eventually force either Congress or the SCUS to better define the limitations of these tiny district judges, then you'll really be shit out of luck.

 

[CowboyTed]

You first.

Well then goto Congress and get the Big Beautiful Tariff Act....

US Trade deficit has been going on for 47 years, is not an Emergency

 

[SeaMajor7]

When do the military tribunals begin to slap down these OUT OF CONTROL rogue judicial TYRANTS?

 

[shockedcanadian]

Congress can set tariffs...

Trump tried to declare an emergency so he could go around congress...

Court just explained to Trump that US has been running a trade deficit for 47 years... Hard to call that an emergency overnight and need to bypass Congress (who are also elected)...

No, this is ruling by courts.

If your nation goes bankrupt, how will your citizens react as enemy nations are living the good life on your debt?

 

[Care4all]

So you're degrading the product in order to account for tariffs instead of cutting into profit? Why does your company import from China, why don't they buy from American companies? Where is your loyalty to your fellow citizens?

The US government killed the vibrant Shoe industry in the USA in the 1980s. One factory after another closed...there were hundreds making shoes here...there may be 5 factories left....and small ones at that....

When all these free trade agreements were made, especially China, we begged the US govt to negotiate CAPS on how many shoes could be imported a year from China and elsewhere.

They refused.

This brought the whole US Shoe industry down...We could not compete with the ridiculously low price that China etc could manufacture them at....so all of our factories eventually closed here in the USA and we were forced in to manufacturing and importing our shoes from foreign countries.

THIS WAS NOT the choice of the brand name shoe companies here.....it was Forced on to them, by our government and their free trade agreements.


There is no USA shoe manufacturing industry to buy the volume needed anymore and it could take a decade or two, to bring it all back to the USA profitably, and all at an eventual much higher retail cost to the consumer.

 

[toobfreak]

You'll never get any answers to your excellent questions, they have none.

Of course, I left out two other issues for brevity's sake:

1. If a tariff is just a tax, then why is it not just CALLED a tax?
2. I did a little digging, and just about a year ago for instance, Biden announced new tariffs on $18 billion worth of imports from China, including electric vehicles, semiconductors, solar cells and critical minerals. Why did Biden leave Trump's tariffs from his first term in place if they are so bad? And the real question is: why did no district judge nor single leftwing democrat mind, nor complain or file an injunction to stop Joe Biden if any of this were true? Obviously, because it is NOT true and this is just a continuation of lawfare by the Left trying to weaponize government against a sitting president.

Putting on tariffs is like rooting for the home team. Tariffs at a basic level are just a disincentive to import. And where do you get stuff if you’re not importing? You buy domestically.

That means that even if a tariff were just a tax, it is a VOLUNTARY one which the consumer agrees to pay in buying the foreign-made product.

 

[JLW]

Just because tariffs are grouped under the same chapter as taxes and other things relating to trade (Article 1, Section 8) does not make them all the same. Your failure to show me where the Constitution specifically and clearly enumerates tariffs as a tax and outside presidential authority is so noted.

Nor does this explain why most every other country levies tariffs on us. Are the taxing themselves? If so, why do we end up paying more too? Why do tariffs work for everyone but Trump? And why have other presidents levied tariffs and it not been considered a verboten tax???

The reason Trump's tariffs are being contested and reversed is his rationale for the tariffs. His rationale is based on the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. The Act is to be used in limited circumstances. Presidents use IEEPA to impose export controls, embargoes, and sanctions on countries, and individuals, as well as to block imports from designated countries and acquisitions made by designated foreign nationals. A tariff can be imposed for an “unusual and extraordinary threat” to U.S. “national security." Trump's excuse of a national emergency which does not exist is pure bullshit and therefore he is not in compliance with the Act.

If Trump had focused on a single nation like China he may have had a point, but a blanket tariff against the world is absolutely contrary to the Act.

 

[Care4all]

Just because tariffs are grouped under the same chapter as taxes and other things relating to trade (Article 1, Section 8) does not make them all the same. Your failure to show me where the Constitution specifically and clearly enumerates tariffs as a tax and outside presidential authority is so noted.

Nor does this explain why most every other country levies tariffs on us. Are the taxing themselves? If so, why do we end up paying more too? Why do tariffs work for everyone but Trump? And why have other presidents levied tariffs and it not been considered a verboten tax???

Tell me toob, why would congress have to delegate to the President, under certain conditions, his ability to set certain tariffs in these Acts created?

Because IT is CONGRESS'S power under the constitution....they are delegating a portion of Congress's own constitutional power.

 

[citygator]

Here we go again. Contradictions Galore:

The Socialist Demon Rats refer to President Trump as an "authoritarian" , a fascist, a dictator

But now they call him a TACO - Trump Always Chickens Out

Has it ever been a trait of an authoritarian fascist dictators to "chicken out"


Of course not. So the TACO aspersion is AN ADMISSION THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOT AN AUTHORITARIAN FASCIST DICTATOR

The act of fine tuning - to tactfully control imports - is not really imposing tariffs - so in that respect the US Court of International Trade is wrong

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cit.17080/gov.uscourts.cit.17080.55.0.pdf

Let Paul Craig Roberts explain

"I will attempt to put the issue in a correct perspective. It is not Trump’s intention, at least at the present time, to institutionalize a tariff regime. Trump is using tariffs as a threat to secure agreements that he thinks are in America’s interests. So far 50 countries have, according to reports, agreed to remove their tariffs on US goods. The countries responding aggressively seem to be China and our European allies. I explained yesterday how Trump could better have gone about his task. Nevertheless, as the Commerce Secretary said, Trump’s tariffs are not expected to extend beyond a few weeks or a few months of negotiation."

You are confusing authoritarian fascism with totalitarian government. Trump is a 100% fascist. He does not have a Totalitarian government, it is authoritarian. Learn the difference.

 

[WEATHER53]

You are confusing authoritarian fascism with totalitarian government. Trump is a 100% fascist. He does not have a Totalitarian government, it is authoritarian. Learn the difference.

Are those refrigerated morgue trucks lined up outside your hospital gone yet?

 

[toobfreak]

why would congress have to delegate to the President his ability to set certain tariffs

So you admit that presidents set tariffs all the time. Biden did it and no one complained. Tariffs have historically played a key role in the trade policy of the United States. Tariffs were intended to serve three primary purposes: to raise revenue for the government, to restrict imports and protect domestic producers from foreign competition, and to reach reciprocity agreements that reduce trade barriers.

In May 2024, the Biden administration doubled tariffs on solar cells imported from China and more than tripled tariffs on lithium-ion electric vehicle batteries imported from China. The tariff increases will be phased in over a period of three years.

Not one district judge minded. Not a single democrat complained.

 

[WEATHER53]

So you admit that presidents set tariffs all the time. Biden did it and no one complained. Tariffs have historically played a key role in the trade policy of the United States. Tariffs were intended to serve three primary purposes: to raise revenue for the government, to restrict imports and protect domestic producers from foreign competition, and to reach reciprocity agreements that reduce trade barriers.

In May 2024, the Biden administration doubled tariffs on solar cells imported from China and more than tripled tariffs on lithium-ion electric vehicle batteries imported from China. The tariff increases will be phased in over a period of three years.

Not one district judge minded. Not a single democrat complained.

100% correct

 

[toobfreak]

Trump is a 100% fascist.

If Trump were a fascist, you ding-dong, he would just have the entire democrat party arrested tomorrow. Your angst is all over the fact that Trump is not fucking around like most republicans, and intends to get a lot of shit done in his 2nd term you do not like.

He does not have a Totalitarian government, it is authoritarian. Learn the difference.

Yep, the difference is that Joe Biden had the totalitarian government. He assigned everyone who disagreed with him as a violent, extremist domestic threat to be watched by the FBI.

 

[WEATHER53]

If Trump were a fascist, you ding-dong, he would just have the entire democrat party arrested tomorrow. Your angst is all over the fact that Trump is not fucking around like most republicans, and intends to get a lot of shit done in his 2nd term you do not like.


Yep, the difference is that Joe Biden had the totalitarian government. He assigned everyone who disagreed with him as a violent, extremist domestic threat to be watched by the FBI.

Biden was a crippled old man who feared everyone. Trump is robust and gender ass lickers fainting couch libs fear him

 

[Edgetho]

The only thing surprising about this is that it surprises some people.

I really don't believe Trump is surprised. I am not. I know what the Judiciary is, pompous asses who offer virtually nothing to society and are more interested in defending the rights of criminals than they are in protecting victims. Plus, the entire Judicial Branch is seriously Anti-American. If you read the last sentence in the ruling, "We therefore find AGAINST THE UNITED STATES" that says all you need to know.

The Judicial Branch is The Deep State. It is not the least bit interested in protecting America or Americans.

Period

 

[Edgetho]

If Trump were a fascist, you ding-dong, he would just have the entire democrat party arrested tomorrow. Your angst is all over the fact that Trump is not fucking around like most republicans, and intends to get a lot of shit done in his 2nd term you do not like.


Yep, the difference is that Joe Biden had the totalitarian government. He assigned everyone who disagreed with him as a violent, extremist domestic threat to be watched by the FBI.

It's difficult to talk to someone as incomprehensibly stupid as the moron you are replying to. Fascism is socialism in a different dress. Same girl, different dress. Same slut, same disease-carrying harlot, different dress. She didn't even bother to wash her face, just put on a different dress. Fascism is socialism. Just a different dress.

dimocraps are scum. If they stood for something, it would be easy to talk to them. But they stand for nothing. At all. Even socialism has its good points. Not many, but they're there. All political systems have good and bad points. Monarchies have a lot of good points. And a lot of bad points. So does socialism. so does communism believe it or not. So does Capitalism....

The only politicial philosphy in Human History that is 100% bad 100% of the time is dimocrap scumism.

I can talk to a socialist, I can even talk to a communist or a Fascist or a National Socialist or a Technocrat or any number of different members of all kinds of political philsophies. Fabianism, National Socialism, Free Market Capitalism even (gasp!) liberturdians (who have more in common with communists than capitalists) but never, not ever with dimocrap scum. Ever.

dimocraps have no core beliefs. dimocraps have no morals. At all. Zero on the morality front. I mean none. All dimocrap scum want is power. And the worst part is, when they get the power they so cravenly desire, all they know how to do with it is -- Steal. And lie.

But the good part about dimocrap scum is -- When they're done lying and stealing, they lie and steal some more.

All I've said needs to be understood by people who want to save this Country. Otherwise, we are doomed. There won't be an apocalypse, there won't be a Gotterdammerung, our Country will simply be smothered in her sleep by murdering, soulless dimocrap scum. With the Judiciary leading the way

And your children will spit on your graves if you let that happen