Defend Your Health Care

so you like to blow the insurance lobby.....do they pay more when you swallow?
if you get HIV from blowing them do you still get coverage?
 
Medical bills underlie 60 percent of U.S. bankrupts: study

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Medical bills are behind more than 60 percent of U.S. personal bankruptcies, U.S. researchers reported on Thursday in a report they said demonstrates that healthcare reform is on the wrong track.

More than 75 percent of these bankrupt families had health insurance but still were overwhelmed by their medical debts, the team at Harvard Law School, Harvard Medical School and Ohio University reported in the American Journal of Medicine.

"Unless you're Warren Buffett, your family is just one serious illness away from bankruptcy," Harvard's Dr. David Himmelstein, an advocate for a single-payer health insurance program for the United States, said in a statement.

"For middle-class Americans, health insurance offers little protection," he added.

CANCELED COVERAGE

"Nationally, a quarter of firms cancel coverage immediately when an employee suffers a disabling illness; another quarter do so within a year," the report reads.

Medical bills underlie 60 percent of U.S. bankrupts: study | U.S. | Reuters

really?

U.S. MEDICAL BANKRUPTCIES A MYTH; PERSONAL BANKRUPTCY RATE HIGHER IN CANADA
* The personal bankruptcy rate was actually higher in Canada in 2006 and 2007 (0.30 percent for both years) than in the United States (0.20 percent and .27 percent).

* Medical spending was only one of several contributing factors in 17 percent of U.S. bankruptcies -- medical debts accounted for only 12 to 13 percent of the total debts among American bankruptcy filers who cited medical debt as one of their reasons for bankruptcy.

* Medical reasons were cited as the primary cause of bankruptcy by approximately 15 percent of bankrupt Canadian seniors (55 years of age and older).

* Non-medical expenditures comprise the majority of debt among bankrupt consumers in both Canada and the United States; the inability to earn sufficient income to cover these costs -- not exposure to uninsured medical costs -- is the real explanation for almost all bankruptcies in either country.

And BTW filing for bankruptcy does not mean one will be homeless. In fact most people who file keep their homes
 
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"I saw a thing on YouTube, a town hall meeting in Little Rock, Arkansas. And a woman from Brockside, Arkansas, stood up. She was weeping about the threat of socialism. You know what, lady, Brockside, Arkansas, doesn't have capitalism yet. Your idea of health care is leeches and moonshine and you're worried about socialism? Oh, Lord." -Bill Maher

Bill Maher is basically an insult comic, and that's fine, but when politicians like Pelosi respond to the passionate concerns of their constituents with the same kind of contempt and ridicule, that's unAmerican.

do you feel the same about the tools screaming over everybody else at townhalls?
 
so you like to blow the insurance lobby.....do they pay more when you swallow?
if you get HIV from blowing them do you still get coverage?

better than getting fucked up the ass without lube by the government and then getting taxed for the privilege
 
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The personal bankruptcy rate was actually higher in Canada in 2006 and 2007 (0.30 percent for both years) than in the United States (0.20 percent and .27 percent).

this doesn't support your arguement as it doesn't give a reason for the bankruptcy rate for just those two years. so a fail there.
 
The personal bankruptcy rate was actually higher in Canada in 2006 and 2007 (0.30 percent for both years) than in the United States (0.20 percent and .27 percent).

this doesn't support your arguement as it doesn't give a reason for the bankruptcy rate for just those two years. so a fail there.

read

Medical spending was only one of several contributing factors in 17 percent of U.S. bankruptcies
 
Medical spending was only one of several contributing factors in 17 percent of U.S. bankruptcies -- medical debts accounted for only 12 to 13 percent of the total debts among American bankruptcy filers who cited medical debt as one of their reasons for bankruptcy.

next this was from 2006 it is now the year 2009 ...try and keep current like my article is ...another fail.
 
Medical spending was only one of several contributing factors in 17 percent of U.S. bankruptcies -- medical debts accounted for only 12 to 13 percent of the total debts among American bankruptcy filers who cited medical debt as one of their reasons for bankruptcy.

next this was from 2006 it is now the year 2009 ...try and keep current like my article is ...another fail.

no 2006 and 2007

and btw there is not complete info yet for 2008 and 2009

keep trying
 
Medical reasons were cited as the primary cause of bankruptcy by approximately 15 percent of bankrupt Canadian seniors (55 years of age and older).
what this has to do with U.S bankruptcies is beyond me but you are the one talking about Canada back in 2006 not me....my article is about current bankruptcies in the U.S .
 
Medical bills underlie 60 percent of U.S. bankrupts: study

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Medical bills are behind more than 60 percent of U.S. personal bankruptcies, U.S. researchers reported on Thursday in a report they said demonstrates that healthcare reform is on the wrong track.

More than 75 percent of these bankrupt families had health insurance but still were overwhelmed by their medical debts, the team at Harvard Law School, Harvard Medical School and Ohio University reported in the American Journal of Medicine.

"Unless you're Warren Buffett, your family is just one serious illness away from bankruptcy," Harvard's Dr. David Himmelstein, an advocate for a single-payer health insurance program for the United States, said in a statement.

"For middle-class Americans, health insurance offers little protection," he added.

CANCELED COVERAGE

"Nationally, a quarter of firms cancel coverage immediately when an employee suffers a disabling illness; another quarter do so within a year," the report reads.

Medical bills underlie 60 percent of U.S. bankrupts: study | U.S. | Reuters



once again I will post this current report about the subject that happens to be in the U.S.
 
Medical bills underlie 60 percent of U.S. bankrupts: study

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Medical bills are behind more than 60 percent of U.S. personal bankruptcies, U.S. researchers reported on Thursday in a report they said demonstrates that healthcare reform is on the wrong track.

More than 75 percent of these bankrupt families had health insurance but still were overwhelmed by their medical debts, the team at Harvard Law School, Harvard Medical School and Ohio University reported in the American Journal of Medicine.

"Unless you're Warren Buffett, your family is just one serious illness away from bankruptcy," Harvard's Dr. David Himmelstein, an advocate for a single-payer health insurance program for the United States, said in a statement.

"For middle-class Americans, health insurance offers little protection," he added.

CANCELED COVERAGE

"Nationally, a quarter of firms cancel coverage immediately when an employee suffers a disabling illness; another quarter do so within a year," the report reads.

Medical bills underlie 60 percent of U.S. bankrupts: study | U.S. | Reuters



once again I will post this current report about the subject that happens to be in the U.S.

and once again, there are other reports that refute the claim

just because medical bills may be included in a bankruptcy filing does not mean that medical bills are the single reason for filing bankruptcy
 
Insurer asks docs to report on new patients with pre-existing conditions - On Deadline - USATODAY.com

Blue Cross of California recently asked doctors to look for pre-existing conditions that could be used to justify the cancellation of insurance policies held by new patients, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Byron Tucker, a spokesman for the Insurance Department, tells the Times that this letter is "extremely troubling on several fronts. It really obliterates the line between underwriting and medical care. It is the insurer's job to underwrite their policies, not the doctors'. Doctors deliver medical care. Their job is not to underwrite policies for insurers."


Here is a link to the same story; from FoxNews:

FOXNews.com - Blue Cross to Doctors: Help Us Get Rid of New Patients With Pre-Existing Conditions - Health News | Current Health News | Medical News
 
a report from a couple years ago doesn't refute a current one....that is the point of doing a current study - dipshit!
 
Hey dipshit

if you bothered to read your own article you would see that

The researchers studied 2,134 random families who filed for bankruptcy between January and April in 2007,

yeah that's some study a whole 4 months of data in 2007

what's that term you like to use

epic fail
 
still it's more current than yours that wasn't even about the U.S so you fail.. Ha Ha.
 
still it's more current than yours that wasn't even about the U.S so you fail.. Ha Ha.

god you're an idiot

my link had 2 full years worth of data 2006 and 2007 and it had stats from both Canada and the US

your reuters piece was based on 4 months of data and only a few thousand people

Surely the study with the most comprehensive data is better.
 
The researchers studied 2,134 random families who filed for bankruptcy between January and April in 2007, before the current recession began.
They used public bankruptcy court records and surveyed 1,032 people by telephone.

"Using a conservative definition, 62.1 percent of all bankruptcies in 2007 were medical; 92 percent of these medical debtors had medical debts over $5,000, or 10 percent of pretax family income," the researchers wrote.

"Most medical debtors were well-educated, owned homes and had middle-class occupations."

The researchers, funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, said the share of bankruptcies that could be blamed on medical problems rose by 50 percent from 2001 to 2007.




so if this was before the current GOP recession you can imagine how bad it is now after they fucked things up for 8 years! .... some reform might be on the way if they would stop saying no and lying.
 
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"I saw a thing on YouTube, a town hall meeting in Little Rock, Arkansas. And a woman from Brockside, Arkansas, stood up. She was weeping about the threat of socialism. You know what, lady, Brockside, Arkansas, doesn't have capitalism yet. Your idea of health care is leeches and moonshine and you're worried about socialism? Oh, Lord." -Bill Maher

Bill Maher is basically an insult comic, and that's fine, but when politicians like Pelosi respond to the passionate concerns of their constituents with the same kind of contempt and ridicule, that's unAmerican.

do you feel the same about the tools screaming over everybody else at townhalls?

Voters have the right to demand their concerns be heard and responded to by the politicians whose duty is to represent them, but because the Dem Party leadership has tried to ram a bill through Congress without having an adequate national debate, so that voters haven't had the opportunity to voice their concerns and the Dem "tools" in Congress haven't even had time to read the bill they support, passions are high and the Dem leadership needs to accept responsibility for creating this situation. Regardless of how voters may express their concerns, the politicians whose duty it is to represent them should take those concerns seriously and answer their questions substantively instead of slandering them as unAmerican and brushing them off.
 
Thanks Skull Pilot, I know you are looking at this bill objectively. I was hoping for an answer from this OneWorld character.

The government "approved" plan, what exactly are they going to look like, and how expensive is it going to be?
Or is this really a provision to eventually get everyone on the federal plan by making it impossible for private insurers to compete with the subsidized federal plan?

no, skull is NOT explaining it correctly at all and intentionally misleading you imho...

if you lose your job, you can go to your state's Insurance Exhange where every insurance company offering insurance in your state has to list the contents of all policies they offer, along with good comparable charts so you can choose which one to go with, along with a public option that you may wish to go with, or continue with the policy you have...

the insurance policy of any of the private sector companies along with the public policy have to have the measures listed above in them or they are not qualified plans...insurance companies on the whole have agreed to these measures...all, except they don't want a public option as competition....

skull, is worried because he does not have insurance that would qualify because it is only for catastrophes and does not have the measures to make it a qualified plan....so he thinks he could be penalized for not having a qualified plan...

i think he will find that if he wants to continue with this type of coverage with his HSA, he will probably be able to, without penalty...at least for 5 more years....

care
 
Bill Maher is basically an insult comic, and that's fine, but when politicians like Pelosi respond to the passionate concerns of their constituents with the same kind of contempt and ridicule, that's unAmerican.

do you feel the same about the tools screaming over everybody else at townhalls?

Voters have the right to demand their concerns be heard and responded to by the politicians whose duty is to represent them, but because the Dem Party leadership has tried to ram a bill through Congress without having an adequate national debate, so that voters haven't had the opportunity to voice their concerns and the Dem "tools" in Congress haven't even had time to read the bill they support, passions are high and the Dem leadership needs to accept responsibility for creating this situation. Regardless of how voters may express their concerns, the politicians whose duty it is to represent them should take those concerns seriously and answer their questions substantively instead of slandering them as unAmerican and brushing them off.

you mean like when conservative talking heads called Americans who wanted to have their say about the Iraq war un-patriotic.....boy you asshats sure like to have it both ways don'tcha?
 
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