Dems at it again

[Ravi]

My Dad spent 22 years in the Army, served two tours in Viet Nam. He got a wound there that eventually cost him BOTH his legs long after he had retired. Pinheads PISS me off.

Mine didn't lose his legs but he got drafted and injured and had to fight for thirty years to get any compensation from the Veteran's Administration. And being on medicare saved his life.

He's the one that taught me that he wasn't better than someone that didn't serve.

So blow it out your ear, retard.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I don't disagree with that. I disagree with RGS's idea that somehow one group of Americans are more deserving of medical care.

Look you fucking MORON. I never said one group was more "deserving" I stated Military retirees EARNED what they get. They do not get hand outs from the Government, nor socialism at work, Each and every vet that retired or receives VA compensation EARNED it. They earned it by the service they WILLINGLY provided to their country. It is part of the CONTRACT they made when they signed up, you fucking IDIOT.

 

[Ravi]

Nope, no police, no firefighters, no civil rights. Screw the economy; you can't survive without all that stuff...too bad...I guess yer gonna die. Survival of the fittest!

A libertarian, I presume?

 

[CSM]

I don't disagree with that. I disagree with RGS's idea that somehow one group of Americans are more deserving of medical care.

So, everyone should get military benefits even if they never serve in the military? I should be able to draw welfare regardless of how much money I make in salary? Food stamps for all regardless of need? After all, who is to say one group of Americans is more deserving than any other? We should all draw a salary whether or not we work?

I like the way you think! so when will you be sending me your address so I can come live at your house? Obviously, you don't deserve to live there more than I do.

 

[CSM]

A libertarian, I presume?

Nope...anarchist.

 

[Ravi]

Look you fucking MORON. I never said one group was more "deserving" I stated Military retirees EARNED what they get. They do not get hand outs from the Government, nor socialism at work, Each and every vet that retired or receives VA compensation EARNED it. They earned it by the service they WILLINGLY provided to their country. It is part of the CONTRACT they made when they signed up, you fucking IDIOT.

People that pay social security and medicare earn it as well.

 

[Ravi]

So, everyone should get military benefits even if they never serve in the military? I should be able to draw welfare regardless of how much money I make in salary? Food stamps for all regardless of need? After all, who is to say one group of Americans is more deserving than any other? We should all draw a salary whether or not we work?

I like the way you think! so when will you be sending me your address so I can come live at your house? Obviously, you don't deserve to live there more than I do.

Jebus, where did I say any of that?

 

[CSM]

Jebus, where did I say any of that?

You didn't. I was merely extending your logic to something I liked. No one group of American's is more deserving than any other....wasn't that the gist of your position?

You posted:

"I disagree with RGS's idea that somehow one group of Americans are more deserving of medical care."

Why restrict the logic to just medical care? What about housing, food, income, luxuries and other stuff like that?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

People that pay social security and medicare earn it as well.

Only until I can get Congress to get rid of the illegal programs our Government pays for. But the whole point of this thread, you idiot, is that the Dems want to restrict those on Medicare to doctors THE GOVERNMENT picks.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't disagree with that. I disagree with RGS's idea that somehow one group of Americans are more deserving of medical care.

All people, military or civilian, are deserving of medical care that is included in their contractual agreement for services rendered. When it is not included in the contractual agreement there is no presumption that somebody deserves medical care at the expense of government or anybody else.

 

[DiamondDave]

Like the retired military?

Hmmm.... you saying the military did not EARN their benefits?.... nowhere even close to the handouts to the lazy bums who want the government to provide them everything they want for nothing

typical dumbass liberal with nothing more than a smarmy remark... all the while having absolutely NO clue

 

[Ravi]

You didn't. I was merely extending your logic to something I liked. No one group of American's is more deserving than any other....wasn't that the gist of your position?

You posted:

"I disagree with RGS's idea that somehow one group of Americans are more deserving of medical care."

Why restrict the logic to just medical care? What about housing, food, income, luxuries and other stuff like that?

I didn't realize the retired military personnel were receiving all of that.

 

[CSM]

I didn't realize the retired military personnel were receiving all of that.

They aren't. Obviously your reading comprehension needs some work.

 

[Ravi]

They aren't. Obviously your reading comprehension needs some work.

It might. Still working on the coffee.

We were discussing health care and the fact that the military receives it. Not housing, food, or these other things you are bringing up.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

It might. Still working on the coffee.

We were discussing health care and the fact that the military receives it. Not housing, food, or these other things you are bringing up.

The military receives it because of a CONTRACT to work. Retirees receive it because of THAT Contract. Once again dumbshit remind us how all retirement benefits earned by everyone are welfare handouts, unearned and socialism at work.

 

[CSM]

It might. Still working on the coffee.

We were discussing health care and the fact that the military receives it. Not housing, food, or these other things you are bringing up.

True enough. You are ignoring the your own assertion in that discussion that no one American is more deserving of health care than any other. I am saying that such logic could apply to other things as well.

You are also ignoring what other posters are telling you. Military personnel EARN that health care as part of their contract while other Americans (non military) do not.

I understand your tactic of deflection. It is much easier for you to lead the pony around the ring than it is to try to actually ride the damned thing!

 

[Ravi]

I am saying that if you give it to one group you should give it to another.

Certainly most Americans EARN medicare by paying into it all of their lives, no?

 

[CSM]

People that pay social security and medicare earn it as well.

Well, now I am confused how does payment for services (willingly or unwillingly) equal earned? Is it your contention then that as long as something is paid for one has earned it? If so, then once more, I like your way of thinking. By reciprocity, if one does not pay for a service then one does not earn it. In my opinion, if one does not earn it, then one does not deserve it. I shall use that in my arguments against universal health care, welfare, and other social programs I do not like.

On the other hand, you seem to be espousing the philosophy that all are deserving, regardless of amount of individual effort or expense. If so, then once more, please send me your home address so I can move in at the earliest possible moment. I expect that you will house, feed and cloth me despite the fact that I will contribute absolutely nothing to your household. I will, however, be very appreciative as long as it doesn't cost me anything more than verbalization of said appreciation.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I am saying that if you give it to one group you should give it to another.

Certainly most Americans EARN medicare by paying into it all of their lives, no?

No one GIVES health care to military or military retirees, they EARN it via a CONTRACT for services rendered.

No one is denying Medicare to those that are legally able to use it. Well except the Democrats and their insistance that they get to chose your doctor for you.

 

[CSM]

I am saying that if you give it to one group you should give it to another.

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Why?