Dems Telling Us We Have To Pay Extra To Protect Our Troops

[Meister]

Remember, the Soviet Union collapsed not in military defeat, but in economic defeat.

Well sort of...The Soviet Union's economy collapsed because the majority of the money was going to the military.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Remember, the Soviet Union collapsed not in military defeat, but in economic defeat.

Well sort of...The Soviet Union's economy collapsed because the majority of the money was going to the military.

The point is we are at risk from sources other than 'terrorists'. In some ways we are our own worst threat.

 

[Meister]

Remember, the Soviet Union collapsed not in military defeat, but in economic defeat.

Well sort of...The Soviet Union's economy collapsed because the majority of the money was going to the military.

The point is we are at risk from sources other than 'terrorists'. In some ways we are our own worst threat.

Exactly....like bankrupting ourselves

 

[frazzledgear]

Remember, the Soviet Union collapsed not in military defeat, but in economic defeat.

They spent their money trying to keep up with the US militarily -and yes, wars can and have bankrupted nations. But when we go bankrupt it won't be because of Afghanistan. WWll was FAR more expensive in both resources and lives yet we managed to figure out the cost of losing that war was still far more expensive than fighting it to win and instead chose to forgo any nonessential domestic spending until that threat was permanently removed.

So who thinks if we call off the war in Afghanistan, our enemy will say we are all Even Steven and just go away? I think way too many people have forgotten WE did not declare this war -we were finally forced to take our enemy's declaration of war on us seriously which took the mass murder of thousands on our soil since evidently the previous 8 attacks on US interests never got much of a response. THEY are the ones who declared war on us -and claim to know us so well and even better than we know ourselves -that they also predicted we would eventually end up just HANDING them victory and slinking off with our tails between our legs. THEY aren't saying they want to walk off if we do -they have been saying the exact opposite. That we are getting ready to do exactly what they predicted would happen and victory is nearly theirs now!

This is a war our enemy has no intention of calling off and if we hand them victory in Afghanistan, it will result in a resurgence of their strength and would be used as THE best recruiting tool we could ever give them, proving that roving bands of thugs who target unarmed civilians can bring down the US. This is a war our enemy has promised is a fight to the death -and they intend to make sure it is OURS. And unlike the US, they don't care how long it takes or how much it costs them in terms of lives or resources. That doesn't leave me with many options then about what I think we should do.

Aside from guaranteeing our enemy will come after us again with renewed force and more convinced than ever that we can and will be defeated, we would only prove to our enemy who predicted we would give them this victory that we really are exactly who they have been insisting we are all along. Unwilling to commit to a lengthy fight, unwilling to bleed to defend what is ours, demoralize ourselves in spite of the fact they know they can't win a head-to-head fight with us and as a result we will just HAND them victory. Thereby proving and reinforcing their belief that we really just an evil, worthless, spineless and morally weak people just like they have been insisting we were all along. We can PRETEND handing them victory is cheaper than fighting to win but that is an historically proven self delusion and a very lethal one at that. Even if we walk away, we will end up drawn back into the fight which will be far more expensive the next time around in both resources and lives lost. Unarmed, unprepared civilians are easy to slaughter by the thousands and they know it and it will happen again and again as many times as needed until we wake up and realize the ONLY way to end it for good is also the least expensive way to handle it in terms of resources and lives lost. By getting it over with and WINNING it so we can deal with other pressing issues without constantly having to look over our shoulder and get drawn back into this fight over and over but never to resolution and and completion - only to be drawn into it again and again by an implacable and fanatic enemy that has no intention of calling off the war just because we do! What kind of stupid and suicidal thinking is that?

If Democrats are NOW all of a sudden concerned about the budget and how to pay for things -then I suggest they demand the unspent TARP funds be returned immediately, that they scrap the guaranteed job killer cap-and-trade crap and that they put their embarrassing 2,000+ page monstrosity of a sick joke on health care reform that has nothing to do with health, care or reform -in the trash can where it belongs, that they lower personal income taxes because it is an historically proven fact that WILL result in job creation and more government revenues while what they have been doing hasn't made a dent in the rising double digit unemployment numbers. And stop this never ending wet dream spending spree of theirs that has quadrupled the deficit in the first six months of Obama's administration and set us on the path to utter financial ruin. THAT is where we actually have options to work with. NOT with whether we want to survive without constantly having to divert precious resources to keep looking over our shoulder knowing good and well this enemy WILL continue coming after us.

 

[Charles Stucker]

If Democrats are NOW all of a sudden concerned about the budget and how to pay for things -then I suggest they demand the unspent TARP funds be returned immediately, that they scrap the guaranteed job killer cap-and-trade crap and that they put their embarrassing 2,000+ page monstrosity of a sick joke on health care reform that has nothing to do with health, care or reform -in the trash can where it belongs,

Not apt to happen.
Because the government likes to take more in taxes.
If a working person is taxed to the point they cannot save enough for retirement, then they are dependent in their old age on a government pension (known as Social Security)
Dependence makes them reliable - for the government.
The purpose of Social Security is to make things more secure for the government.
The same purpose applies to all the other methods of taking income from the earners and putting it into government hands, regardless of the alleged use.

 

[uscitizen]

Strange how some of those who cry out balanced budget wants to fight a war on credit.

 

[EriktheRed]

...after years of witnessing a party that really doesn't seem to care about how they look...

Excuse me!??!

 

[geauxtohell]

I couldn't believe this.....but after years of witnessing a party that really doesn't seem to care about how they look I wasn't really surprised when it was reported that Congressional Democrats want to start a War Tax to pay for Afghanistan.

In effect, they want to charge us extra for defending our troops....charge extra to send the troops Generals on the ground are requesting.

They always say it will only effect the upper 1% but that's merely a starting point. Soon everyone will have to pay extra just to feed, cloth, and protect our kids in uniform.

I wonder if this is some new plan to turn America against The Good War.

The Raw Story | US lawmakers: New tax should pay for Afghan war

New Tax being proposed

Good deal. The American people would be less prone to get us into asinine wars if they knew they had to pay for them upfront (as opposed to passing the debt on to their children).

It should be a national law that any military action mandates an income tax hike.

I'd betcha we'd be a lot less caviler about "pre-emptive war" then.

 

[uscitizen]

I couldn't believe this.....but after years of witnessing a party that really doesn't seem to care about how they look I wasn't really surprised when it was reported that Congressional Democrats want to start a War Tax to pay for Afghanistan.

In effect, they want to charge us extra for defending our troops....charge extra to send the troops Generals on the ground are requesting.

They always say it will only effect the upper 1% but that's merely a starting point. Soon everyone will have to pay extra just to feed, cloth, and protect our kids in uniform.

I wonder if this is some new plan to turn America against The Good War.

The Raw Story | US lawmakers: New tax should pay for Afghan war

New Tax being proposed

Good deal. The American people would be less prone to get us into asinine wars if they knew they had to pay for them upfront (as opposed to passing the debt on to their children).

It should be a national law that any military action mandates an income tax hike.

I'd betcha we'd be a lot less caviler about "pre-emptive war" then.

Makes sense to me.
More sense than going to war and cutting taxes. That worked out great.

 

[geauxtohell]

Waste of money.

That's all our government does is waste money.

So you support these wars....

Until it hits you in the wallet?

Nice.

Guess what? Whether we pay for it now, or pay for it later with interest, we still have to pay.

And, oh by the way, our biggest lender has been China.

 

[EriktheRed]

We should not need a tax. Shouldn't all those who support the war just contribute enough to pay for it?

It's not about supporting the war you stupid fuck, it's about supporting our soldiers. And you call yourself a US citizen. You're a pathetic piece of shit.

Strange. I didn't see anything in that article indicating the proponents of this legislation were saying, "send us more money or the troops get it". What I read is them saying we have to start paying for what we're doing if we're gonna keep doing it. Something we haven't been doing for a few years now.

I also read this:

It would also exempt members of the US military who have served in combat since the September 11, 2001 terrorist strikes, their families, and families of soldiers who died as a result of combat.

"The only people who've paid any price for our military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan are our military families," the lawmakers said. "We believe that if this war is to be fought, it's only fair that everyone share the burden."

Draw from that what you will.

 

[EriktheRed]

I couldn't believe this.....but after years of witnessing a party that really doesn't seem to care about how they look I wasn't really surprised when it was reported that Congressional Democrats want to start a War Tax to pay for Afghanistan.

In effect, they want to charge us extra for defending our troops....charge extra to send the troops Generals on the ground are requesting.

They always say it will only effect the upper 1% but that's merely a starting point. Soon everyone will have to pay extra just to feed, cloth, and protect our kids in uniform.

I wonder if this is some new plan to turn America against The Good War.

The Raw Story | US lawmakers: New tax should pay for Afghan war

New Tax being proposed

Good deal. The American people would be less prone to get us into asinine wars if they knew they had to pay for them upfront (as opposed to passing the debt on to their children).

It should be a national law that any military action mandates an income tax hike.

I'd betcha we'd be a lot less caviler about "pre-emptive war" then.

Hasn't it been said more than once that this is the first time in our history that taxes were cut - or at the very least not raised - during wartime?

 

[Polk]

Hasn't it been said more than once that this is the first time in our history that taxes were cut - or at the very least not raised - during wartime?

Indeed.

 

[mudwhistle]

Selling bonds increases the public dept, and costs more in the long term. Pay as you go, in health care, in war. Isn't that the conservative way (well, in word, not in deed).

When we first learned of IED's and our kids were being killed and maimed in Iraq (remember those unarmored vehicles Rumbsfeld sent to 'support' our men and women in uniform?) the Congress should have then passed a tax increase to pay for the war in Iraq, and the war on terror by providing our kids the defensive tools they needed.
I'm a Democrat and I support a tax to pay for the wars currently bleeding our nations kids and our national treasury.
Let's start with a Patriot Tax, .10 cents a gallon on gasoline; and a 1% tax on income, across the board, gross income without any deductions, credits or other perks.
Then we will pay as we go, and, show the world and the American people whether the far right really gives a shit about our citizens in harms way, or if they are too greedy to give a damn.

I don't want to hear this bullshit about Rumsfeld. We had 8 years of Clinton. He discovered in 93' we needed armor and instead cut back the Defense Department.

After Somalia he knew we needed to protect our troops in these Muslim countries and he ignored the problem.

"IT'S CLINTON'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" According to this moron.

Moron huh?

Unlike you.....I was in Mogadishu in 93'. I saw what happened with my own fucken eyes....much of it went unreported......and most of it was unnecessary and could have been avoided. Recommendations went to the White House after Black Hawk Down on what needed to be done. All of the questions on how it happened and why were available and let's face it President Clinton cared just a little bit more for our troops then our current president.

Because he refused to act on the findings presented to him in 93' we had a repeat of the same mistakes in the streets of Baghdad, Falluja, and Mosul. I blame Clinton for not getting the ball rolling because it takes years to re outfit an entire Army.

His priority instead was to gut the military so he could get his balanced budget at the cost of several thousand American's lives. We didn't have the proper equipment in Mogadishu and we still didn't have it in Iraq over 10 years later.

 

[Charles Stucker]

I blame Clinton for not getting the ball rolling because it takes years to re outfit an entire Army.

His priority instead was to gut the military so he could get his balanced budget at the cost of several thousand American's lives. We didn't have the proper equipment in Mogadishu and we still didn't have it in Iraq over 10 years later.

And now that the military cannot be gutted, the Democrats want huge tax increases rather than cut their socialist programs.
Wait, they'll raise taxes and still gut the military.
And blame Bush.

 

[frazzledgear]

I couldn't believe this.....but after years of witnessing a party that really doesn't seem to care about how they look I wasn't really surprised when it was reported that Congressional Democrats want to start a War Tax to pay for Afghanistan.

In effect, they want to charge us extra for defending our troops....charge extra to send the troops Generals on the ground are requesting.

They always say it will only effect the upper 1% but that's merely a starting point. Soon everyone will have to pay extra just to feed, cloth, and protect our kids in uniform.

I wonder if this is some new plan to turn America against The Good War.

The Raw Story | US lawmakers: New tax should pay for Afghan war

New Tax being proposed

Pretty arrogant, isn't it? We already funded the war -we all knew a war was still going on when paying our income taxes. What we didn't expect to be funding was the wild spending spree by Democrats quadrupling the budget deficit in Obama's first six months. So now they already put our feet firmly on the path to utter financial ruin they think they still haven't confiscated enough from taxpayers as if its THEIR money? Its like your mother giving you the money to go to the store to buy bread and milk with it - and you take a side trip to 7th Heaven and buy a new CD instead. And then have the balls to expect her to just simply give you the money for it again with no consequences to you. My God I cannot stand these arrogant jerks.

I have a better idea for Congress and ones like Obey, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Murtha and Levin should be first in line. Now that you've burdened our children, grandchildren and their grandchildren with the worst debt in our history and have us at the brink of bankruptcy and now want to play politics again with our national security -FORFEIT YOUR SALARIES and expect to get a pink slip come re-election. How DARE you expect us to foot the bill for your INCOMPETENCE. Government's first Constitutional duty is to provide for our national defense and wage war on our enemies. All the bullshit you spent us into for the next century plus - IS NOT.

 

[oreo]

I couldn't believe this.....but after years of witnessing a party that really doesn't seem to care about how they look I wasn't really surprised when it was reported that Congressional Democrats want to start a War Tax to pay for Afghanistan.

In effect, they want to charge us extra for defending our troops....charge extra to send the troops Generals on the ground are requesting.

They always say it will only effect the upper 1% but that's merely a starting point. Soon everyone will have to pay extra just to feed, cloth, and protect our kids in uniform.

I wonder if this is some new plan to turn America against The Good War.

The Raw Story | US lawmakers: New tax should pay for Afghan war

New Tax being proposed

Yes, another attempt from liberal democrats to say well--if you want war--then pay for it-- First of all there is no-one that wants war in this country. But from my experience "cutting & running" is no answer either. First of all--in all of our wars this will be the FIRST enemy that will counter attack us--IOW they will use our departure as a tool for recruitement. The enemy we face today--(terrorists) are outright maniacs. They are not Germans, they are not Japaneze, they are not Russians, nor Vietnameze. They are determined & they will never surrender to our way. They are in fact, the worst---continual enemy we will ever fight--& it will be continual--because they will never surrender. They have been fighting each other for centuries. They are blood thirsty, they attack & oppress their own women & children & there is absolutely no reason to believe that we can change their ways.

Our only option is to protect ourselves against them.

.

 

[Toronado3800]

When we first learned of IED's and our kids were being killed and maimed in Iraq (remember those unarmored vehicles Rumbsfeld sent to 'support' our men and women in uniform?) the Congress should have then passed a tax increase to pay for the war in Iraq, and the war on terror by providing our kids the defensive tools they needed.

This is all out of control!

Guys, the moment any deficit spending bill was approved to send the first ship towards Iraq the U.S. decided to SOMEONE (our children?) were going to in effect pay a tax for the war.

Now Clinton gets ripped for not raising taxes to improve the bottom armor of a Humvee or APC. Someone else just got ripped for suggesting we levy a tax to improve the bottom armor of a Humvee or APC.

Weird, the stuff just isn't going to cut and bolt itself onto the equipment. If there is a tax or if its deficit spending I'm going to live long enough to be paying for it.

 

[Article 15]

I couldn't believe this.....but after years of witnessing a party that really doesn't seem to care about how they look I wasn't really surprised when it was reported that Congressional Democrats want to start a War Tax to pay for Afghanistan.

In effect, they want to charge us extra for defending our troops....charge extra to send the troops Generals on the ground are requesting.

They always say it will only effect the upper 1% but that's merely a starting point. Soon everyone will have to pay extra just to feed, cloth, and protect our kids in uniform.

I wonder if this is some new plan to turn America against The Good War.

The Raw Story | US lawmakers: New tax should pay for Afghan war

New Tax being proposed

So you support the troops as long as you don't have to flip the bill.



This should have been implemented from the jump along with the scrapping of the Bush tax cuts.

 

[WillowTree]

I don't want to hear this bullshit about Rumsfeld. We had 8 years of Clinton. He discovered in 93' we needed armor and instead cut back the Defense Department.

After Somalia he knew we needed to protect our troops in these Muslim countries and he ignored the problem.

"IT'S CLINTON'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" According to this moron.

Moron huh?

Unlike you.....I was in Mogadishu in 93'. I saw what happened with my own fucken eyes....much of it went unreported......and most of it was unnecessary and could have been avoided. Recommendations went to the White House after Black Hawk Down on what needed to be done. All of the questions on how it happened and why were available and let's face it President Clinton cared just a little bit more for our troops then our current president.

Because he refused to act on the findings presented to him in 93' we had a repeat of the same mistakes in the streets of Baghdad, Falluja, and Mosul. I blame Clinton for not getting the ball rolling because it takes years to re outfit an entire Army.

His priority instead was to gut the military so he could get his balanced budget at the cost of several thousand American's lives. We didn't have the proper equipment in Mogadishu and we still didn't have it in Iraq over 10 years later.

brother murtha was right there whispering in billboard's ear,, "pull the troops out." and obama bin laden said "the us is a paper tiger."