Did Pope Francis help the church by going woke?

[Ace Nova]

When did "God" change his mind that "Homosexuals were an abomination and deserved death"? Raised in the Catholic cult here and escaped. Never could figure out why we should hold beads in our hand and recite rote prayers over and over and over again. Was God hard of hearing or something?

Where does it say that in the Bible?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Sin is not okay. Sin enslaves and God calls us out of slavery. This is the core of the Biblical story.

I believe perspectives presented to me. Here is an adage I relate to: Reach out, share your truth, tell someone, This is who I am. This is what I stand for. Hold me to it.

I am not trying to change your mind. I am interested in hearing your perspective.

Many of my students are Muslim. It's a beautiful faith, isn't it.

Do you not once stop and realize that it is YOU who is saying this and CLAIMING it is “God”?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

No, God is not a monster. Read from the Hebrew perspective, what they were attempting to tell future generations about God in our midst. Also, reading the Bible from God's perspective is more revealing than reading the Bible from one's own perspective. Again, the question: Do you want God to be a monster? Why? Because you don't want to believe? Have you sincerely considered these questions?

There is no god. Your questions to me are silly. I am only referring to the monster god patterned after the Greek gods in your Bible. The story is as horrendous as it is horrific.

 

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And you dismiss the evidence that Christ was an historical figure, who the first Christians worshipped as God because they witnessed him performing supernatural feats, which were recorded in 24,000 written manuscripts and commented on by non-Christian historians and mentioned in the Jewish Babylonian Talmud which corroborates the accounts captured in those 24,000 written manuscripts.

And your evidence was what? I thought your kind was big on evidence. Do you have any? Do you even know what constitutes as evidence or the relationship between evidence and proof?

 

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There is no god.

You know this how?

If the universe popping into existence being hardwired to produce and intelligence doesn't give you pause for concern, nothing probably will.

 

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What next? Catholic Apologetics Weekly?

I wasn't planning on it but if that's what you want to discuss be my guest.

 

[MisterBeale]

Never could figure out why we should hold beads in our hand and recite rote prayers over and over and over again.

Allahbis the true God. Mohammed is his prophet. I know these things and not just because my family are all Muslims.”

 

[Meriweather]

It is a non question. It is silly to ask a non believer if he wants the Koran to not be true.

Meanwhile, I have no problem with truth in the Koran.

 

[Ace Nova]

. Your questions to me are silly. I am only referring to the monster god patterned after the Greek gods in your Bible. The story is as horrendous as it is horrific.

Not quite. Whether you believe in God or not is your prerogative. But what you cannot do is rewrite history according to your narrative.

Ancient Greece flourished from 1200 BC to 600 BC. Both Ancient Egypt and Ancient Sumer were established close to 3000 BC. or even prior. Ancient Mesopotamian religions date back to pre-historic ages.

What makes you believe that the Abrahamic religions were taken from ancient Greece when there were civilizations and religions that outdated Ancient Greece by over 2000 years? No credible historian would state that the Ancient Mesopotamian religions were taken from Greece simply because Ancient Mesopotamia out dates Ancient Greece and the Ancient Greek religions by over 2000 years.

 

[Meriweather]

Do you not once stop and realize that it is YOU who is saying this and CLAIMING it is “God”?

No, it was not I who said it. Jesus noted, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. I research, and I researched this in my own life experiences and reached the conclusion, He's right!

 

[Meriweather]

There is no god. Your questions to me are silly. I am only referring to the monster god patterned after the Greek gods in your Bible. The story is as horrendous as it is horrific.

As you are new the the forum, you do not know my story. I was a toddler with my Little Golden Books, learning about God. I told my parents I wanted God to come to me just like he did with Noah and Abraham. They thought that was cute and smilingly told me God didn't do things like that any more.

Even as a baby, stories emerged about me being super stubborn. And I told God if he could do it then, he could do it now. Stubborn and determined, I went in search of God. Remember the passage about needing the heart of a child? I've often reflected on that, and I think the reason for my experiences of God is that as a child, I didn't want anything from God, I just wanted to know him. My first experience of God was when I was ten. So no, the toddler-me's desire didn't end with me find God out in the backyard.

Since you want truth, here's the truth: You will never believe my accounts any more than you believe Biblical accounts. You will dismiss them as brain burps, childish misunderstandings of what I was experiencing, wishful thinking. Go ahead and think that, as I could not care less. I know the reality. And my mantra became, Seek and find God--then read the Bible. The reason I dove into the Bible when I was older, is because I wanted other perspectives of God. And....The Old Testament completely bewildered me; it was so different from my own experience. Eventually I ran into the Jewish atheist, whose first language was Hebrew. The Hebrew language perspective of God is entirely different from the English language perspective of God. Read, studied correctly, God was the same as in my experiences.

Again, once I learned to read, my favorite stories were Greek and Roman myths. They were the best! It's why I keep asking you the difference between Greek/Roman gods and the One God, as portrayed in the Bible. The differences are striking, and I do not understand the determination of maintaining they are the same or even alike. People need to do more research/study of both.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

And you dismiss the evidence that Christ was an historical figure, who the first Christians worshipped as God because they witnessed him performing supernatural feats, which were recorded in 24,000 written manuscripts and commented on by non-Christian historians and mentioned in the Jewish Babylonian Talmud which corroborates the accounts captured in those 24,000 written manuscripts.

And your evidence was what? I thought your kind was big on evidence. Do you have any? Do you even know what constitutes as evidence or the relationship between evidence and proof?

I am not denying that a figure lived at that time who gained a following. I never said I was. Hell, there was Apollonius around about then as well.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

You know this how?

If the universe popping into existence being hardwired to produce and intelligence doesn't give you pause for concern, nothing probably will.

I should have qualified that a BIBLE god. As for how and why the universe is no one knows.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Where does it say that in the Bible?

In the OT.

 

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I am not denying that a figure lived at that time who gained a following. I never said I was. Hell, there was Apollonius around about then as well.

How about being put to death for sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I wasn't planning on it but if that's what you want to discuss be my guest.

It’s like some idiot posting opinion pieces from CNN, MSNBS, PBS and The NY Times as his “proof”.

 

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I should have qualified that a BIBLE god. As for how and why the universe is no one knows.

I don't care how you qualify it. We know a great deal about the universe. At least I do anyway. So it's like I said. If it doesn't give you pause for concern, nothing will.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Sin is not okay. Sin enslaves and God calls us out of slavery. This is the core of the Biblical story.

I believe perspectives presented to me. Here is an adage I relate to: Reach out, share your truth, tell someone, This is who I am. This is what I stand for. Hold me to it.

I am not trying to change your mind. I am interested in hearing your perspective.

Many of my students are Muslim. It's a beautiful faith, isn't it.

Faith is not in the least beautiful. Where do you get such a notion?

 

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It’s like some idiot posting opinion pieces from CNN, MSNBS, PBS and The NY Times as his “proof”.

Except I was posting the historical evidence for Christ performing miracles.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Reminds me of worker bees dying for the queen.